The Syndicate

I got caught up on 10 choose 3 and gave up because it felt like dependent events e.g. a w/w pair affects the odds of future w/w pairings

stats continues to be lies

Mac a damia Nut

cross-thread mech is back on the menu

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:03 am numerically significant tsp/ila w/w

mirrors?

or chance?

assuming 10/3 setup(ish), I think it's just 3/14 for chance, or am I mad at stats

I could see a world of dropping your theorized pairings as a legacy but I think there's probably a lot of value in holding onto them

also. nice work other thread squad 🥹

yeah I discounted secret playerlist when I was going through my games with TSP on phase zero

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:18 am So what I mean by the opposites land stuff is

if your worldview is me/dizzyslot, somehow,

why is your first inclination coming into today "thunderdome ran, the towniest player must be the mastermind powerwolf!" and not "kill dizzyslot and then thunderdome ran if she's still alive"

I see this as the same thing TSP was doing, trying to break up the towncore and sow dissension in the hopes something sticks. Not sure why your mind goes there if town.

because I was less certain about dizzy than you

feel like I quoted pretty solidly what I found sus and why about your treatment of TSP e.g. hedging but ultimately going onto Dizzy

I also remembered my interaction with TSP asking about you and felt like it very much got waved away like mutual defending

however when you brought up following Wind's vote, idk, the way you did it broke through the clouds for me. so you're town to me now

have we played together before?

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:18 am Even then, I think there must be at least one in pyxxy/Dizzy unless the team is exactly Abby/ted, otherwise there's no incentive for a hypothetical wolf Ranmilia or Bereft to bus. And even then, at a glance Abby/ted does not seem to have wolf equity.

if I'm town am I incentivized to have me and dizzy go one-two (ignore order for this question)?

made dinner

still here \o/

Spoiler: show

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:16 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:59 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:56 pm I mean, even I have said i would rather vote out pyxxy than dizzy and rondo
Meaning I am not really defending him, even if I don't really think his wagon is a hit
And I acknowledge that's part of the reason why he's a very easy wolf agenda push if he's town. It would mean he has TWO inactive partners, or if they're active, they just aren't bothering to save him.
It doesn’t have to be that though — flash wagons that emerge 2 hours before EOD tend to dissipate just as fast, and his wolf partners could just be willing to wait it out (not that I think he’s a wolf)
mmmm

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

wait what

no stop come back, I thrive under pressure

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:15 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:12 am
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:07 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:04 am scum team gets into the thick of EOD and seems to have lost control of the thread

all three are being voted up

why do TSP and I not both just consolidate on Dizzy, WIFOM aside, and score town points for it

especially after I just played a game I should have lost for _not burying the slanker teammate_

that's my point

you played that game with me, you understand my perspective better than anyone else can here
Anyway, if you aren't a wolf, do you agree there is at least one wolf in Dizzy/Abby?
I had to write out names to see if this is just a math test

pyxxy - town

bereft - town
gira - town
leetic - town
Rondo - town
ranmilia - scum

that leaves

dizzy
abigail
ted

I think my answer is yes
You/Dizzy/Abby all being town would mean both remaining wolves were on TSP, which would be odd as there'd be seemingly little incentive to bus in that situation

this is that good leetic goodness

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:07 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:01 am
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:58 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:51 pm
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:49 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:38 pm @Ranmilia what's your breakdown or VCA of the last ~6 hours from D2's EOD?

How did wolf TSP get chopped but wolf pyxxy didn't?

If that's the results wolves wanted, why didn't I just throw a random ass vote on TSP and parade around the ring with my quotes sussing TSP on D1?

I mean

yes, exactly

why didn't you vote TSP after sussing him d1? Instead you parked on dizzy.

And yeah dizzy is probably also a wolf but you're yelling about doming me for... going back and forth and also wanting dizzy and tsp out??

This is the same sort of opposites land stuff TSP was pushing.
TSP was pushing what exactly?
TSP's abi/ran/gira stuff throughout the game.

You're in the same breath calling me a mastermind wolf hard bussing dizzy/tsp and calling yourself town because you can't possibly be a mastermind wolf bussing dizzy/tsp because you didn't go tsp when chips were down.

Like what even is your thought process here?
um

I very much am pointing out that you didn't hard bus TSP

you shaded him but when it mattered, you hedged and wanted Dizzy to die instead
1. I am responsible for TSP even being a wagon in the first place.
2. Yes and? I still want that slot dead.
3. which people may not be considering if they weren't there for the EOD: I went back to dizzy offering a fortnite gift card because the eod was so weirdly static to see who would jump. That was an info play. Nobody jumped. I can't prove this to you, and I can't say I never considered going through and killing dizzy if my towns were willing, but on the main I said I was voting with Wind and I meant that.

1. nah

2. this is responding to your mastermind comment

3. "I said I was voting with Wind and I meant that."

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:01 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:56 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:54 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:47 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:46 pm The micro around ted's claim passed the smell test for me tho, so I rlly rlly rlly do not see myself reevaluating there
I have reasons why his claim didn't pass the smell test for me
If you think you're about to be night killed and its going to be lost with you why are you not sharing it?
Cause ngl I was hoping Ted would possibly eat the nightkill so I wouldn't have to solve him
I targeted him last night and I find it suspicious that he said he won't answer any questions about whatever his role is
NO
STOP
WHY
sdgkhsdkghsdklg

If any of the people who are doubting me are town, here's a biscuit for you, I knew all these PRs and never kill mac over them.

Fine. Wind I will likely vote with you. I want dizzy, bereft, tsp out the most as you know. I can see pyxxy as well. Who do you want.

This pings the hell out of me. In a good way. A great way, even.

@leetic sorry bud that list is out of date already

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:07 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:04 am scum team gets into the thick of EOD and seems to have lost control of the thread

all three are being voted up

why do TSP and I not both just consolidate on Dizzy, WIFOM aside, and score town points for it

especially after I just played a game I should have lost for _not burying the slanker teammate_

that's my point

you played that game with me, you understand my perspective better than anyone else can here
Anyway, if you aren't a wolf, do you agree there is at least one wolf in Dizzy/Abby?

I had to write out names to see if this is just a math test

pyxxy - town

bereft - town
gira - town
leetic - town
Rondo - town
ranmilia - scum

that leaves

dizzy
abigail
ted

I think my answer is yes

@ both of you

wolves generally tell their partners if they're gonna be afk (well, my partners have been nice enough, at least)

if TSP is going ghost in more ways than one, I bury dat ass in one post on my way home from home depot and hope for the best

scum team gets into the thick of EOD and seems to have lost control of the thread

all three are being voted up

why do TSP and I not both just consolidate on Dizzy, WIFOM aside, and score town points for it

especially after I just played a game I should have lost for _not burying the slanker teammate_

that's my point

you played that game with me, you understand my perspective better than anyone else can here

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:59 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:55 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:48 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:42 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:46 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:30 pm
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:46 pm I've played with TSP on the ground twice, technically, but in both games he got mech cleared/essentially mech cleared and was only alive with me for one day phase. I've read a few more of his games and every one where he was scum I saw a great disparity, he basically phoned in the game and didn't play or contribute any complex thought at any point. So there is that. I'm sure he has better scum games but that is what forms my baseline. And in this game specifically, he entered posting a lot of stuff about me which is correct and (in my eyes) fairly insightful and beyond anything I've seen him do as a wolf.

... granted that does amount to "he's buttering up me specifically and talking about me specifically." So there is that too.
maybe my memory is wrong

brb
my memory doesn't seem to be wrong

hotdog fingers aka the example TSP brought up, lowposted through D1
search.php?keywords=&t=2508&author=Tony ... sf=msgonly

GoC 2022, lowposted but idk seems different maybe
secret playerlist was secret playerlist and posted a bit more but not as seriously as here

TSP what's a scum game that you're proud of
this quote goes razy, y'all

I just had to re-post in its own post

@Gira come on, you gotta give pyxxy a little treat for this one
i dunno am i supposed to give cred for that when you did nothing with that? because that looks like it can easily be standard distancing
that's fair

but I think if I distance, I vote there

like how I did with nook in Beans Mafia

nook and TSP are similar liabilities to scum

in Beans I didn't commit to the bus and should have lost that game for it

I think scum me comes into this gave favoring a stronger and more deadly bussing, if presented with a similar situation
In Beans, you voted the slanker. So why are you arguing you would have voted TSP over slanker Dyslexicon if the three of you were wolves?

my point is

why didn't TSP bus with me in this game, if that's the scum team here

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:58 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:51 pm
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:49 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:38 pm @Ranmilia what's your breakdown or VCA of the last ~6 hours from D2's EOD?

How did wolf TSP get chopped but wolf pyxxy didn't?

If that's the results wolves wanted, why didn't I just throw a random ass vote on TSP and parade around the ring with my quotes sussing TSP on D1?

I mean

yes, exactly

why didn't you vote TSP after sussing him d1? Instead you parked on dizzy.

And yeah dizzy is probably also a wolf but you're yelling about doming me for... going back and forth and also wanting dizzy and tsp out??

This is the same sort of opposites land stuff TSP was pushing.
TSP was pushing what exactly?
TSP's abi/ran/gira stuff throughout the game.

You're in the same breath calling me a mastermind wolf hard bussing dizzy/tsp and calling yourself town because you can't possibly be a mastermind wolf bussing dizzy/tsp because you didn't go tsp when chips were down.

Like what even is your thought process here?

um

I very much am pointing out that you didn't hard bus TSP

you shaded him but when it mattered, you hedged and wanted Dizzy to die instead

oh dang that's a good point about TSP being a PR

oh wait, leetic can understand this perspective way better since they were in Beans

@/leetic, reading time ^

Gira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:48 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:42 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:46 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:30 pm
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:46 pm I've played with TSP on the ground twice, technically, but in both games he got mech cleared/essentially mech cleared and was only alive with me for one day phase. I've read a few more of his games and every one where he was scum I saw a great disparity, he basically phoned in the game and didn't play or contribute any complex thought at any point. So there is that. I'm sure he has better scum games but that is what forms my baseline. And in this game specifically, he entered posting a lot of stuff about me which is correct and (in my eyes) fairly insightful and beyond anything I've seen him do as a wolf.

... granted that does amount to "he's buttering up me specifically and talking about me specifically." So there is that too.
maybe my memory is wrong

brb
my memory doesn't seem to be wrong

hotdog fingers aka the example TSP brought up, lowposted through D1
search.php?keywords=&t=2508&author=Tony ... sf=msgonly

GoC 2022, lowposted but idk seems different maybe
secret playerlist was secret playerlist and posted a bit more but not as seriously as here

TSP what's a scum game that you're proud of
this quote goes razy, y'all

I just had to re-post in its own post

@Gira come on, you gotta give pyxxy a little treat for this one
i dunno am i supposed to give cred for that when you did nothing with that? because that looks like it can easily be standard distancing

that's fair

but I think if I distance, I vote there

like how I did with nook in Beans Mafia

nook and TSP are similar liabilities to scum

in Beans I didn't commit to the bus and should have lost that game for it

I think scum me comes into this gave favoring a stronger and more deadly bussing, if presented with a similar situation

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:45 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:43 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:38 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:38 pm How did wolf TSP get chopped but wolf pyxxy didn't?
consider this answered, ty
Because town decided to chop TSP over pyxxy?
I don't understand the point here.
Also, TSP had the "advantage" of having a secret vote against him, making it that much more difficult for an opposing wagon to compete

another reason to for wolf pyxxy to bus TSP

ty leetic

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:49 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:38 pm @Ranmilia what's your breakdown or VCA of the last ~6 hours from D2's EOD?

How did wolf TSP get chopped but wolf pyxxy didn't?

If that's the results wolves wanted, why didn't I just throw a random ass vote on TSP and parade around the ring with my quotes sussing TSP on D1?

I mean

yes, exactly

why didn't you vote TSP after sussing him d1? Instead you parked on dizzy.

And yeah dizzy is probably also a wolf but you're yelling about doming me for... going back and forth and also wanting dizzy and tsp out??

This is the same sort of opposites land stuff TSP was pushing.

TSP was pushing what exactly?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:44 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:40 pm Rondo and others said that I play scum by bussing

(I disagree, I just keep getting paired with nook! but for the sake of being annoying....)

and I seem to have set up myself to bus TSP

and just......didn't?

sorry, sorry, it's all WIFOM, especially when it comes to pyxxy /s
This kinda goes away if you and Dizzy are w/w though

if I'm w/w with Dizzy, am I not the best chance at wolves winning? and wouldn't the plan be to let me do mech things, strongly guess from ~midday that Ilario and TSP are scum-tied-together, and then I get credit from the bus _while also not being good enough at actual solving to eat the nk_?*

*this got invalidated later with WWA claiming

Bereft wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:43 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:38 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:38 pm How did wolf TSP get chopped but wolf pyxxy didn't?
consider this answered, ty
Because town decided to chop TSP over pyxxy?
I don't understand the point here.

I think I overheated with this one, idk and I'm sorry but it's just another "it fits in my brain" situation

it's that given wagons were like, 3-3-2 for a while there? tell me if I'm wrong I caught up but ofc I didn't see poll in real time. my point is like, wolves were lost at EOD but why would TSP and I not just cross for bussing points, especially when I got brought into the POE only during the second half of the day

which would imply that I was otherwise, as TSP said, "above water". and like if Dizzy is the third, then wolves _desperately_ need a deep wolf. TSP and dizzy are already wagons. why not go all in on bussing one or the other and let wolf pyxxy (me) gain massive credit?

that's kinda the perspective I'm having here

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:46 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:30 pm
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:46 pm I've played with TSP on the ground twice, technically, but in both games he got mech cleared/essentially mech cleared and was only alive with me for one day phase. I've read a few more of his games and every one where he was scum I saw a great disparity, he basically phoned in the game and didn't play or contribute any complex thought at any point. So there is that. I'm sure he has better scum games but that is what forms my baseline. And in this game specifically, he entered posting a lot of stuff about me which is correct and (in my eyes) fairly insightful and beyond anything I've seen him do as a wolf.

... granted that does amount to "he's buttering up me specifically and talking about me specifically." So there is that too.
maybe my memory is wrong

brb
my memory doesn't seem to be wrong

hotdog fingers aka the example TSP brought up, lowposted through D1
search.php?keywords=&t=2508&author=Tony ... sf=msgonly

GoC 2022, lowposted but idk seems different maybe
secret playerlist was secret playerlist and posted a bit more but not as seriously as here

TSP what's a scum game that you're proud of

this quote goes

razy, y'all

I just had to re-post in its own post

@Gira come on, you gotta give pyxxy a little treat for this one

Rondo and others said that I play scum by bussing

(I disagree, I just keep getting paired with nook! but for the sake of being annoying....)

and I seem to have set up myself to bus TSP

and just......didn't?

sorry, sorry, it's all WIFOM, especially when it comes to pyxxy /s

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:38 pm How did wolf TSP get chopped but wolf pyxxy didn't?

consider this answered, ty

@Ranmilia what's your breakdown or VCA of the last ~6 hours from D2's EOD?

How did wolf TSP get chopped but wolf pyxxy didn't?

If that's the results wolves wanted, why didn't I just throw a random ass vote on TSP and parade around the ring with my quotes sussing TSP on D1?

such as:

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:18 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:13 pmtsp kinda scummy
uncomfortable mindmeld

I didnt remember tsp being like this, I remember tsp being lhf

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:46 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:30 pm
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:46 pm I've played with TSP on the ground twice, technically, but in both games he got mech cleared/essentially mech cleared and was only alive with me for one day phase. I've read a few more of his games and every one where he was scum I saw a great disparity, he basically phoned in the game and didn't play or contribute any complex thought at any point. So there is that. I'm sure he has better scum games but that is what forms my baseline. And in this game specifically, he entered posting a lot of stuff about me which is correct and (in my eyes) fairly insightful and beyond anything I've seen him do as a wolf.

... granted that does amount to "he's buttering up me specifically and talking about me specifically." So there is that too.
maybe my memory is wrong

brb
my memory doesn't seem to be wrong

hotdog fingers aka the example TSP brought up, lowposted through D1
search.php?keywords=&t=2508&author=Tony ... sf=msgonly

GoC 2022, lowposted but idk seems different maybe
secret playerlist was secret playerlist and posted a bit more but not as seriously as here

TSP what's a scum game that you're proud of

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 2:50 am
robyn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 2:46 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 2:38 am
Gira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 2:32 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 2:29 am
Gira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 1:43 am by all accounts dizzy is an excellent and highly motivated player of the mafia alignment, so i don't particularly think him being "flaccid" is a valid scumtell. I struggle to believe he chooses to start a game off by lowposting and taking potshots at one player as mafia. I have, on the other hand, seen him get miskilled for being "underwhelming".

neon is, uh, i think town in that she is doing her usual stream of consciousness and the thoughts that come out seem believable even if some of the reasoning is bizarre
what are the odds wolf gira makes this post

below rand, methinks, unless there's a partner in dizzy/abi. which I have no reason to suspect
why do you think that?
there's been too much townreading so far this game

in so far as, if it's accurate, it's going to form a towncore e.g. Abigail will pop off on D2/D3, robyn will form a solve and tunnel it, I'll accidentally vote mafia and clear myself

ranmilla was one person who actually tried to shake things up re: reads, but everyone not getting the questions thing is pretty funny and humanizing

in context consider this a reaction to my previous game where I was scum and I feel like a big mistake I made was letting town find each other fairly easily

the thread feels quite chummy and I think it's generally a good thing so I would expect scum (i restate: no meta on you on this) to want to stir things more or just sit things out for a bit and let lowposters be afk and then maybe jump in with ~24h to go to start some topics, idk
if you had to list 3 names of scum who would they be
tsp ranmilla and unsure

ted feels like a lazy pick / ignoring slank cover but maybe ted

and then opening D2

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 4:57 am so does this mean I was right about TSP talking too much

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:26 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:25 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:21 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:19 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:18 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:12 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:22 pm I tried to track tedxtr since 1. that was the only track that would be guaranteed to give me information (or so I thought) and 2. given some of WW's EoD posting I thought it would be helpful to resolve the slot, especially as tedxtr doesn't have much going for them besides their claim. Oh well
what did you mean by guaranteed
I was guaranteed to either get information on who he targeted, or that he targeted no one at all (which would still be information given that he claimed PR). Every other slot is more of a gamble as to whether I'd hit VT. Except Windward I guess, but why would I want to track Windward
but unfortunately you got rb'd
You don't say?
you can act rude and indignant all you want

with the blitz that started this phase, people are going to be confused and skip things and want summaries, and I want to make sure I get it right
You're willing to read back in my ISO yet skip the like five times I claimed I was roleblocked?

you again can't be assed to actually read what I wrote

people are going to be confused and skip things and want summaries, and I want to make sure I get it right

only once because no spam! but once doesn't seem to be enough for you

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:14 pm Yee. o7 Wind

chicken scratch TSP ISO thoughts overnight.

Spoiler: show
TSP ISO thoughts
#285 "wolves in nutella brad monroe scotty" in other thread
early back and forths with leetic, abigail
#483 i'm bad at the game
randomly townreads pyxxy when gira/pyxxy call him scummy
asks me about pyxxy
shades me shading dizzy
#671 says i should not have a serious wolfread on dizzy
claims not to realize abigail asked me the question...
#728 calls gira most likely wolf when i press him
"we're about to chop rondo, right"
#1166 votes wind, "convinced myself against the leetic vote" what leetic vote???
#1180: "Here’s the situation: not all is right. We’re about to limp into the stupidest looking bereft chop I’ve ever seen. It’s probably rand and there are somewhat good reasons not to do that. So then, who’s in this game who should know better? I promise I didn’t just immediately jump to the two voters on Bereft for the record, I think that looks slightly towny. Leetic seems to have lost a bit of the edge, can’t tell why. WWA is posting a lot but has no thread control nor have they attempted to wrest it. I won’t vote for Mac or dizzy day 1. Ted seems alright. Mac’s defending Gira. I won’t vote Rondo D1 for opposite reasons. Ran and Robyn are self resolving."
then "can't bring himself to think leetic is a wolf"
"if we are going to roll the dice beter to do it on abigail imo"
calls abi/pyxxy the standard d1s that don't have votes
opposes consolidating on bereft
keeps naming leetic/abigail/gira in interactions
responds to dizzy disavowing setting up a ran/dizzy dichotomy
votes robyn claims "going with the flow", says ted not a good choice today.
-- d2
claims he would have left his vote off wagon, prob on abigail or "maybe" dizzy
claims dizzy looks better, abby looks bad
#2124 doubles down on abi attack
has the bad push on me
"Could it be that Mac was killed because he was wrong, not because he was right?" lol
then throws out Gira/Ran/x team
"Five flips are dizzy rondo bereft ran and Abigail narrowly over Ted before Leetic asks"
pyxxy asks if i have wolf equity with dizzy, tsp says no
then kinda shuts down
"Actually like ok yeah Rondo / Abby / Bereft / Dizzy is probably a two wolf group"
and then all seems noncommittal towards eod and ghosts the actual eod
Conclusions: prob exactly 1 in bereft/dizzymade and the other in pyxxy/leetic, pretty heavily leaning pyxxy since not making eod is pretty congruous with no one trying to save TSP.
Rondo, Gira town, Abi town unless world's best theatre.

[VOTE: Pyxxy] aubergine

okay

so then the other wolves just didn't bother to try and save me during that ~3 hours where I was lead wagon and afk and then posting the forum equivalent of gruel?

just want to make sure I understand your worldview here

"Actually like ok yeah Rondo / Abby / Bereft / Dizzy is probably a two wolf group"

what's the context for this note?

because it seems unclear if it's about me or not, when taken as four lines together

pyxxy asks if i have wolf equity with dizzy, tsp says no
then kinda shuts down
"Actually like ok yeah Rondo / Abby / Bereft / Dizzy is probably a two wolf group"
and then all seems noncommittal towards eod and ghosts the actual eod

and like, I'm not sure I even wrote rondo's name yesterday, based on skimming my own iso just now

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:21 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:19 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:18 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:12 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:22 pm I tried to track tedxtr since 1. that was the only track that would be guaranteed to give me information (or so I thought) and 2. given some of WW's EoD posting I thought it would be helpful to resolve the slot, especially as tedxtr doesn't have much going for them besides their claim. Oh well
what did you mean by guaranteed
I was guaranteed to either get information on who he targeted, or that he targeted no one at all (which would still be information given that he claimed PR). Every other slot is more of a gamble as to whether I'd hit VT. Except Windward I guess, but why would I want to track Windward
but unfortunately you got rb'd
You don't say?

you can act rude and indignant all you want

with the blitz that started this phase, people are going to be confused and skip things and want summaries, and I want to make sure I get it right

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:18 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:12 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:22 pm I tried to track tedxtr since 1. that was the only track that would be guaranteed to give me information (or so I thought) and 2. given some of WW's EoD posting I thought it would be helpful to resolve the slot, especially as tedxtr doesn't have much going for them besides their claim. Oh well
what did you mean by guaranteed
I was guaranteed to either get information on who he targeted, or that he targeted no one at all (which would still be information given that he claimed PR). Every other slot is more of a gamble as to whether I'd hit VT. Except Windward I guess, but why would I want to track Windward

but unfortunately you got rb'd

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:22 pm I tried to track tedxtr since 1. that was the only track that would be guaranteed to give me information (or so I thought) and 2. given some of WW's EoD posting I thought it would be helpful to resolve the slot, especially as tedxtr doesn't have much going for them besides their claim. Oh well

what did you mean by guaranteed

alright I'll go back and check that

because I can read

wait

leetic, why didnt you track me?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:54 pm Also funny how pyxxy TRed me for my PR soft D2 but now that he's in a desperate situation he has to pretend it's fake

you continue to be unable to read the room

@/Gira made the Ran post

sorry for that section that didn't make sense but in my head it's the solve and it all feels connected :/

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 4:49 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:27 am And the flop on Robyn geez

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:27 am Could it be that Mac was killed because he was wrong, not because he was right?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:36 am well now I’m sitting on Gira / ran / X yeah

Abby is just in the archetype of people I like to suspect [is the reality of it]
[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Just look at this. There is no universe town TSP comes in to this day and believes and says these things.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:36 am Maybe not his scumreads, but he did make a serious push to protect and get people off of Bereft (and/or dizzy), and it was working, even before any of the robyn stuff happened. Here's the post again for reference:

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:05 pm Here’s the situation: not all is right. We’re about to limp into the stupidest looking bereft chop I’ve ever seen. It’s probably rand and there are somewhat good reasons not to do that. So then, who’s in this game who should know better? I promise I didn’t just immediately jump to the two voters on Bereft for the record, I think that looks slightly towny. Leetic seems to have lost a bit of the edge, can’t tell why. WWA is posting a lot but has no thread control nor have they attempted to wrest it. I won’t vote for Mac or dizzy day 1. Ted seems alright. Mac’s defending Gira. I won’t vote Rondo D1 for opposite reasons. Ran and Robyn are self resolving.
The two people he's pushing are the voters on Bereft, which he even lampshades directly and calls them towny(?!). The other wagon atp is dizzy with me and mac voting there iirc, and he blows that off as well.

The more I look here the more I am seeing tsp/bereft/dizzy. Which is very premature but. There's hella agenda.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 12:32 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 12:12 am Although this thread still seems suspiciously quiet. @WindwardAway any reason why you're significantly less vocal this phase than you were in the last?
Not to answer for wind in specific, but it is the weekend and our long day 1 was pretty exhausting. Would be nice if folks were around more though but... I've said my piece and don't have much new, the ball is in Dizzy's and Bereft's and Rondo's respective courts. I've cooled on TSP some but still can't really understand his mindset... but now that he's channeling illario it's probably impractical to kill him today regardless.

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 3:04 am It occurs to me that TSP did not get a secret vote yesterday. If the wagon in other thread = vote theory is correct that means illario was not a wagon d1, and went straight from that to getting voted out... hm.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:32 pm I'm down to kill tsp if illario doesn't show up.

^but when the time pressure is actually on....

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:26 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:25 pm I suppose TSP isn't the worst option ever, especially since ilario seems intent on doing nothing, but I would much rather flip Dizzy here.
Same.

This progression, no personal offense to Ranmilia, smells.

It's bus all day but if we can squeeze another chop out of TSP, then wolves will be much better off, because wolves misplayed revealing the Ilario connection.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:48 pm Ranmilia joined a bit late, but eh

incorrect

pyxxicus metalicus

I read all of D2 after EOD when I had time so I'm fully powered up here

"why are you voting ranmilia then"

well, ran fits my solve best, and I knew that coming into today, and I would be sad to turn down a thunderdome when offered one so politely

and also

my solve is flexible between you and dizzy

you've had really towny moments, but softing, and that obviously, is like

the antithesis of how you treat other people and how they play with mech, based on playing two games with you

_antithesis_

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:42 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:34 pm I think it's quite interesting

that leetic spent an entire day yesterday not being able to push someone

but now they can push me from the dot
Are you really desperate enough to push someone with a softed PR?

you do realize that you have no PR proof, right

and that you softed the very first post of D2 after I came for your neck D1

real hedgy stuff, bud

ah okay

ty for VC colors

and just like that, leetic is gone?

I think it's quite interesting

that leetic spent an entire day yesterday not being able to push someone

but now they can push me from the dot

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:53 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:52 pm if dizzy flip scum

am I smoking major weed to think that gives ran wolf equity?

not even sure I'm using that phrase right :/
The phrase smoking major weed?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:54 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:52 pm I guess if all three wolves are on robyn, Dyslexicon/TSP/tedxtr would make enough sense and they did it to save the latter? But then again, in that world TSP would have had no reason to go on robyn as tedxtr was pretty much safe at that point, so that world would more likely contain a deepwolf.
TSP move there is WIFOM from the wolf perspective, imo, but that's just my opinion

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:54 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:53 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:52 pm if dizzy flip scum

am I smoking major weed to think that gives ran wolf equity?

not even sure I'm using that phrase right :/
The phrase smoking major weed?
no that part I have experience with

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:55 pm Mmm no the cdistance between Ran and Dizzy felt pretty genuine. And like they’re both good enough to plan that so O wouldn’t rule it out but I wouldn’t say it’s in a way where they’d have massive equity from that or from gamestate reasons

more complete exchange

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