The Syndicate

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:19 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:11 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:04 pm Guess I’ll vote for self pres if I make it back in time
idc anymore

self pres? ohhhhh self preservation

you've got 3 hours and 49 minutes until the poll closes

It’s after midnight for me. I’m deliriously tired but unable to sleep at the moment because I’m sick with worry

There isn’t much point in reiterating my same defences. I think the reasons against me are kind of bull, but it’s a quiet game so someone is going to get eliminated for kind of bull reasons. Just how it is.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:11 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:04 pm Guess I’ll vote for self pres if I make it back in time
idc anymore

self pres? ohhhhh self preservation

you've got 3 hours and 49 minutes until the poll closes

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:12 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:04 pm Guess I’ll vote for self pres if I make it back in time
idc anymore

mood

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:04 pm Guess I’ll vote for self pres if I make it back in time
idc anymore

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 7:57 pmMeh

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:38 pm I'm thinking it's In my best effort to keep Dennis around.

I think I'll vote Mac if a Splints wagon doesn't present itself.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 1:29 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 1:21 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:41 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:03 am @Neon alright please check my work

pyxxy - myself
lucy - tr for not being herself
Neon - tr for forgetting when EOD was / not paying close attention to it
Seanzie - tr for firing off that vote at SOD D1 and reminds me of NPC game (to an extent)
DrWilgy - tr because I think I'm finally understanding the wilgz's playstyle
Dennis - tr for his reads list feeling honest

Sabiplz - unsure. I want to put POE for VCA reasons. Falcon vote was odd. Argued with Dennis today. But I don't trust my Sabi reads atm.

Marmot - POE but least confident. I think I currently have a bad case of OMGUS mixed in with my instinct here. But something is off here. Almost seems...too competent?
fingersplints - POE for timing of falcon vote + DrWilgy's read of already prepping for a town Falcon flip
Macdougall - POE for seeming different than my other interactions with him, tmi comment about Sabi seemed lazy, super quiet D1, all over the place D2

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 3:43 am I think Wilgy is town. He would have voted Falcon otherwise. So his wagon probably has 1 mafia on it.

There's a maf in the Falcon voters probably.

Other one is off wagon.

"and I'm the third! "

mac and marmot also named each other in their "jokey" scum lists, as well as both seeding the idea of scum!Falcon

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:37 am Marmot
Lucy
Falcon

Everyone else was townie

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:31 am The wolves are MacDougall, pyxxy, and falcon45ca.

the solve is Marmot/Mac/fingersplints o7 gn

What about my play reminds you of Secret Playerslist? I feel like I am night and day here.

are you suggesting that I scumread you in this game?

nah you're doing the same behaviors e.g. tunneling and forcepushing your wagon of the day

in NPC game I thought this was scummy (see: nutella situation) but if this is just your playstyle then I find you consistent

all we're missing is for you to get outed as town again and then actually try to be a leader

I'm suggesting your reasons for townreading me are not well-fleshed out and could be indicative of a wolf.

I am town leader.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 1:06 pm tempted to snap vote Neon

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:41 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:03 am @Neon alright please check my work

pyxxy - myself
lucy - tr for not being herself
Neon - tr for forgetting when EOD was / not paying close attention to it
Seanzie - tr for firing off that vote at SOD D1 and reminds me of NPC game (to an extent)
DrWilgy - tr because I think I'm finally understanding the wilgz's playstyle
Dennis - tr for his reads list feeling honest

Sabiplz - unsure. I want to put POE for VCA reasons. Falcon vote was odd. Argued with Dennis today. But I don't trust my Sabi reads atm.

Marmot - POE but least confident. I think I currently have a bad case of OMGUS mixed in with my instinct here. But something is off here. Almost seems...too competent?
fingersplints - POE for timing of falcon vote + DrWilgy's read of already prepping for a town Falcon flip
Macdougall - POE for seeming different than my other interactions with him, tmi comment about Sabi seemed lazy, super quiet D1, all over the place D2

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 3:43 am I think Wilgy is town. He would have voted Falcon otherwise. So his wagon probably has 1 mafia on it.

There's a maf in the Falcon voters probably.

Other one is off wagon.

"and I'm the third! "

mac and marmot also named each other in their "jokey" scum lists, as well as both seeding the idea of scum!Falcon

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:37 am Marmot
Lucy
Falcon

Everyone else was townie

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:31 am The wolves are MacDougall, pyxxy, and falcon45ca.

the solve is Marmot/Mac/fingersplints o7 gn

What about my play reminds you of Secret Playerslist? I feel like I am night and day here.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:43 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:03 am @Neon alright please check my work

pyxxy - myself
lucy - tr for not being herself
Neon - tr for forgetting when EOD was / not paying close attention to it
Seanzie - tr for firing off that vote at SOD D1 and reminds me of NPC game (to an extent)
DrWilgy - tr because I think I'm finally understanding the wilgz's playstyle
Dennis - tr for his reads list feeling honest

Sabiplz - unsure. I want to put POE for VCA reasons. Falcon vote was odd. Argued with Dennis today. But I don't trust my Sabi reads atm.

Marmot - POE but least confident. I think I currently have a bad case of OMGUS mixed in with my instinct here. But something is off here. Almost seems...too competent?
fingersplints - POE for timing of falcon vote + DrWilgy's read of already prepping for a town Falcon flip
Macdougall - POE for seeming different than my other interactions with him, tmi comment about Sabi seemed lazy, super quiet D1, all over the place D2

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 3:43 am I think Wilgy is town. He would have voted Falcon otherwise. So his wagon probably has 1 mafia on it.

There's a maf in the Falcon voters probably.

Other one is off wagon.

"and I'm the third! "

mac and marmot also named each other in their "jokey" scum lists, as well as both seeding the idea of scum!Falcon

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:37 am Marmot
Lucy
Falcon

Everyone else was townie

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:31 am The wolves are MacDougall, pyxxy, and falcon45ca.

the solve is Marmot/Mac/fingersplints o7 gn

Why do you TR Lucy for ***NOT*** being herself?

I think you and I may have the most Sabi experience but I'm going the opposite direction as you I think Sabi is leaning town atm.

I do like the solve you came too but can you talk to me about these things?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 3:43 am I think Wilgy is town. He would have voted Falcon otherwise. So his wagon probably has 1 mafia on it.

There's a maf in the Falcon voters probably.

Other one is off wagon.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:37 am Marmot
Lucy
Falcon

Everyone else was townie

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:31 am The wolves are MacDougall, pyxxy, and falcon45ca.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:11 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:09 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 2:05 pm Pyxxy, I have only seen wolf once (it was his first wolf rand). I dunno if I can compare that to this. So I'm not sure I'm much help on that.

hey but that wolf rand was scary right

also hi Neon I'm here once again for night crew shenanigans

Hi Pyxxy who woofin?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 2:05 pm Pyxxy, I have only seen wolf once (it was his first wolf rand). I dunno if I can compare that to this. So I'm not sure I'm much help on that.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:51 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:43 pm

Spoiler: show

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:26 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 2:32 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 12:01 pm I still think pyxxy might be a wolf.

With SVS being nightkilled, I like in theory going back and following SVS's solve #316, but pyxxy opted to go through and offer their own take on SVS's reads #523, but the part I don't like is that SVS had three town reads (DrWilgy, myself, and Sabi), and pyxxy took hedged on them and turned them into wolfreads, or didn't say anything about them.

The only townread that pyxxy had in her readlist is Sean, one she also disagreed with SVS on.

Spoiler: show

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:15 am

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:01 am

what do u think about svs's reads?

do I get my answer if I answer this?

it's a D1 reads list

it's all over the place and I don't think it's a factor in why SVS died, besides maybe it was part of being active as town, so....I'm not really invested in analyzing it

but if we're trading answers, I'll care

my opinion of each of SVS's reads:
- pyxxy: SVS doesn't know me / my game, reasonable take

- falcon: yeah I mean looks like a bunch of other townies can't read town!Falcon either, so, reasonable take

- lucy (you): accurate. you didn't say much D1

- neon: POE for lack of similarities to other Neon town games, I can't speak to that, but I personally townlean Neon here after watching the end of the NPC game

- Seanzie: pulled this exact same s*** in the NPC game but idt SVS knew this, I townlean Seanzie for it and also for digging but not knowing about locked votes, I think it's totally believeable based on my experience with him in the NPC game

- mac: reasonable take

- wilgy: reasonable take, one I somewhat agree with, but I just watched scum wilgs in the NPC game so I've got recency bias and this wilgy reads the same as scum wilgy to me

- marmot: reasonable take, agreed, although idk if I townlean marmot for it, I think it's an easily fakeable D1

- Kate: the joy of flips, an accurate read

- dennis: unsure. I opened today also wondering about dennis

- sabi:

- Fingersplints:

odd that these two are at the end of the reads together, and also the remains of the Falcon wagon. world is full of strange coincidences

I think some VCA of the order of votes might do us some good

@pyxxy can you talk about Sabi and fingerplints, and is there anyone you townlean in this game outside of Sean?

why am I getting bump set spiked by you and @lucy

baited into posting a big reads list, which is not how I like to play, only for lucy to ghost me and you to use it as ammo against me

I didn't want to talk about Sabi or fingersplints because I wanted to see how they both entered the thread today, given I was on late + I'm west coast US which is why I was active when the thread opened late, but I figured most people have lives.

Related, @/everyone, I need someone to teach me how to search for votes in the game thread.

Is there any particular reason you wanted to wait and see how those two entered the thread?

Yes.

Sabi was using slank cover + birthday for D1 activity. After the NPC game where people raging at Neon for lowposting led to useless fighting and everyone being frustrated, I wanted to wait for Sabi to naturally return to the thread.

Or not return. Which I would read as scummy behavior, especially if there was no pressure on Sabi to return.

fingersplints is the other alive player left from the Falcon wagon. I wanted to see what they would say about that, if anything.

I gotta work I'll be back to expand on this in ~8 hours.

Thanks for the explanation.

How come you didn't say this at the time, and left those two blank?

(I'll eventually stop pressing you, I'm just trying to figure you out)

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:50 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:47 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 12:52 am hey @lucy if you're done with dinner, you seem to be active tn, maybe you can help me think about something

I think the SVS kill was PR hunting

read SVS ISO and there's quite a bit about digging, the mechanics

Kate's ISO is similar, actually, and uhhhhhhh yeah

if SVS kill was PR hunting and thus maybe not to influence town about the rest of the falcon wagon, what does that say about the remains of the falcon wagon? aka Sabi and fingersplints

@lucy thoughts pls on this part

"if SVS kill was PR hunting and thus maybe not to influence town about the rest of the falcon wagon, what does that say about the remains of the falcon wagon? aka Sabi and fingersplints"

specifically do you think SVS kill could have been PR hunting? what about likely PR hunting?

you already answered the rest in thread right before I asked

i have to properly read the thread before i can properly respond sorry, will do it later, i don't think that svs was a pr hunt bc she's a strong player and a reasonable gut but this is purely a player skill analysis and not me reading the thread and seeing if i could reread thread and see svs as a possible pr

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 12:52 am hey @lucy if you're done with dinner, you seem to be active tn, maybe you can help me think about something

I think the SVS kill was PR hunting

read SVS ISO and there's quite a bit about digging, the mechanics

Kate's ISO is similar, actually, and uhhhhhhh yeah

if SVS kill was PR hunting and thus maybe not to influence town about the rest of the falcon wagon, what does that say about the remains of the falcon wagon? aka Sabi and fingersplints

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:26 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 2:32 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 12:01 pm I still think pyxxy might be a wolf.

With SVS being nightkilled, I like in theory going back and following SVS's solve #316, but pyxxy opted to go through and offer their own take on SVS's reads #523, but the part I don't like is that SVS had three town reads (DrWilgy, myself, and Sabi), and pyxxy took hedged on them and turned them into wolfreads, or didn't say anything about them.

The only townread that pyxxy had in her readlist is Sean, one she also disagreed with SVS on.

Spoiler: show

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:15 am

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:01 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 12:52 am hey @lucy if you're done with dinner, you seem to be active tn, maybe you can help me think about something

I think the SVS kill was PR hunting

read SVS ISO and there's quite a bit about digging, the mechanics

Kate's ISO is similar, actually, and uhhhhhhh yeah

if SVS kill was PR hunting and thus maybe not to influence town about the rest of the falcon wagon, what does that say about the remains of the falcon wagon? aka Sabi and fingersplints

what do u think about svs's reads?

do I get my answer if I answer this?

it's a D1 reads list

it's all over the place and I don't think it's a factor in why SVS died, besides maybe it was part of being active as town, so....I'm not really invested in analyzing it

but if we're trading answers, I'll care

my opinion of each of SVS's reads:
- pyxxy: SVS doesn't know me / my game, reasonable take

- falcon: yeah I mean looks like a bunch of other townies can't read town!Falcon either, so, reasonable take

- lucy (you): accurate. you didn't say much D1

- neon: POE for lack of similarities to other Neon town games, I can't speak to that, but I personally townlean Neon here after watching the end of the NPC game

- Seanzie: pulled this exact same s*** in the NPC game but idt SVS knew this, I townlean Seanzie for it and also for digging but not knowing about locked votes, I think it's totally believeable based on my experience with him in the NPC game

- mac: reasonable take

- wilgy: reasonable take, one I somewhat agree with, but I just watched scum wilgs in the NPC game so I've got recency bias and this wilgy reads the same as scum wilgy to me

- marmot: reasonable take, agreed, although idk if I townlean marmot for it, I think it's an easily fakeable D1

- Kate: the joy of flips, an accurate read

- dennis: unsure. I opened today also wondering about dennis

- sabi:

- Fingersplints:

odd that these two are at the end of the reads together, and also the remains of the Falcon wagon. world is full of strange coincidences

I think some VCA of the order of votes might do us some good

@pyxxy can you talk about Sabi and fingerplints, and is there anyone you townlean in this game outside of Sean?

why am I getting bump set spiked by you and @lucy

baited into posting a big reads list, which is not how I like to play, only for lucy to ghost me and you to use it as ammo against me

I didn't want to talk about Sabi or fingersplints because I wanted to see how they both entered the thread today, given I was on late + I'm west coast US which is why I was active when the thread opened late, but I figured most people have lives.

Related, @/everyone, I need someone to teach me how to search for votes in the game thread.

Is there any particular reason you wanted to wait and see how those two entered the thread?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 2:34 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 2:32 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 12:01 pm I still think pyxxy might be a wolf.

With SVS being nightkilled, I like in theory going back and following SVS's solve #316, but pyxxy opted to go through and offer their own take on SVS's reads #523, but the part I don't like is that SVS had three town reads (DrWilgy, myself, and Sabi), and pyxxy took hedged on them and turned them into wolfreads, or didn't say anything about them.

The only townread that pyxxy had in her readlist is Sean, one she also disagreed with SVS on.

Spoiler: show

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:15 am

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:01 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 12:52 am hey @lucy if you're done with dinner, you seem to be active tn, maybe you can help me think about something

I think the SVS kill was PR hunting

read SVS ISO and there's quite a bit about digging, the mechanics

Kate's ISO is similar, actually, and uhhhhhhh yeah

if SVS kill was PR hunting and thus maybe not to influence town about the rest of the falcon wagon, what does that say about the remains of the falcon wagon? aka Sabi and fingersplints

what do u think about svs's reads?

do I get my answer if I answer this?

it's a D1 reads list

it's all over the place and I don't think it's a factor in why SVS died, besides maybe it was part of being active as town, so....I'm not really invested in analyzing it

but if we're trading answers, I'll care

my opinion of each of SVS's reads:
- pyxxy: SVS doesn't know me / my game, reasonable take

- falcon: yeah I mean looks like a bunch of other townies can't read town!Falcon either, so, reasonable take

- lucy (you): accurate. you didn't say much D1

- neon: POE for lack of similarities to other Neon town games, I can't speak to that, but I personally townlean Neon here after watching the end of the NPC game

- Seanzie: pulled this exact same s*** in the NPC game but idt SVS knew this, I townlean Seanzie for it and also for digging but not knowing about locked votes, I think it's totally believeable based on my experience with him in the NPC game

- mac: reasonable take

- wilgy: reasonable take, one I somewhat agree with, but I just watched scum wilgs in the NPC game so I've got recency bias and this wilgy reads the same as scum wilgy to me

- marmot: reasonable take, agreed, although idk if I townlean marmot for it, I think it's an easily fakeable D1

- Kate: the joy of flips, an accurate read

- dennis: unsure. I opened today also wondering about dennis

- sabi:

- Fingersplints:

odd that these two are at the end of the reads together, and also the remains of the Falcon wagon. world is full of strange coincidences

I think some VCA of the order of votes might do us some good

@pyxxy can you talk about Sabi and fingerplints, and is there anyone you townlean in this game outside of Sean?

why am I getting bump set spiked by you and @lucy

baited into posting a big reads list, which is not how I like to play, only for lucy to ghost me and you to use it as ammo against me

I didn't want to talk about Sabi or fingersplints because I wanted to see how they both entered the thread today, given I was on late + I'm west coast US which is why I was active when the thread opened late, but I figured most people have lives.

Related, @/everyone, I need someone to teach me how to search for votes in the game thread.

You figure wrong.

ctrl+f aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:04 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:59 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:23 am [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Votes are not changeable in the poll.

You have to dig in the same post as your vote

Ture, although I don't have to dig today.

I probably should have waited though, pyxxxy made a good point that digging early is pro-town in order to give the powers to the townies.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:15 pm I really do think that everyone who has posted at least a few times thus far is town.

Nobody has bothered to push Sean or myself for making a not-optimal play to start the game, or if they are it's doing so inquisitively, and not a heavy-handed push. Given there's very little else to talk about thus far (aside from mech), I do think a wolf would take the opportunity to push it.


I know Dennis is pressing me about it, but I think the manner with which he's doing it strikes me as townie.

Sean, SVS, pyxxxy, and fingersplints also fall into that camp of players I think are town for their opening.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:16 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:14 pm You forgetting to dig is honestly like, NAI because we just talked about how a lot of people don't read the setup

Can someone say something controversial to get this game really going

I just assembled a towncore, have fun with it.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:45 pm Of the group of townreads I mentioned, the two that I think I could be wrong on are:

Sean: yeah he did the same thing as I did, but I do think it's in Sean's wolf range to do that.
pyxxxy: all of her discussion has been mech-related thus far, and wolves hiding behind mech discussion as their primary content early on isn't uncommon.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:31 am The wolves are MacDougall, pyxxy, and falcon45ca.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 12:11 pm I agree lucy hasn't been involved at all either, but I don't feel like pressuring her today after the way Cartomancy ended. I'd rather give her a little space for today.

I don't really want to chop Sabi on their birthday, and also I know they're going to be busy today, so I'm mostly leaving them alone today too.




Other people might have different opinion on not pressuring people based on out-of-game reasons. If it wasn't Day 1, I would probably approach this differently, but since it is Day 1, I feel ok with it.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 12:01 pm I still think pyxxy might be a wolf.

With SVS being nightkilled, I like in theory going back and following SVS's solve #316, but pyxxy opted to go through and offer their own take on SVS's reads #523, but the part I don't like is that SVS had three town reads (DrWilgy, myself, and Sabi), and pyxxy took hedged on them and turned them into wolfreads, or didn't say anything about them.

The only townread that pyxxy had in her readlist is Sean, one she also disagreed with SVS on.

Spoiler: show

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:15 am

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:01 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 12:52 am hey @lucy if you're done with dinner, you seem to be active tn, maybe you can help me think about something

I think the SVS kill was PR hunting

read SVS ISO and there's quite a bit about digging, the mechanics

Kate's ISO is similar, actually, and uhhhhhhh yeah

if SVS kill was PR hunting and thus maybe not to influence town about the rest of the falcon wagon, what does that say about the remains of the falcon wagon? aka Sabi and fingersplints

what do u think about svs's reads?

do I get my answer if I answer this?

it's a D1 reads list

it's all over the place and I don't think it's a factor in why SVS died, besides maybe it was part of being active as town, so....I'm not really invested in analyzing it

but if we're trading answers, I'll care

my opinion of each of SVS's reads:
- pyxxy: SVS doesn't know me / my game, reasonable take

- falcon: yeah I mean looks like a bunch of other townies can't read town!Falcon either, so, reasonable take

- lucy (you): accurate. you didn't say much D1

- neon: POE for lack of similarities to other Neon town games, I can't speak to that, but I personally townlean Neon here after watching the end of the NPC game

- Seanzie: pulled this exact same s*** in the NPC game but idt SVS knew this, I townlean Seanzie for it and also for digging but not knowing about locked votes, I think it's totally believeable based on my experience with him in the NPC game

- mac: reasonable take

- wilgy: reasonable take, one I somewhat agree with, but I just watched scum wilgs in the NPC game so I've got recency bias and this wilgy reads the same as scum wilgy to me

- marmot: reasonable take, agreed, although idk if I townlean marmot for it, I think it's an easily fakeable D1

- Kate: the joy of flips, an accurate read

- dennis: unsure. I opened today also wondering about dennis

- sabi:

- Fingersplints:

odd that these two are at the end of the reads together, and also the remains of the Falcon wagon. world is full of strange coincidences

I think some VCA of the order of votes might do us some good

@pyxxy can you talk about Sabi and fingerplints, and is there anyone you townlean in this game outside of Sean?

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:01 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 12:52 am hey @lucy if you're done with dinner, you seem to be active tn, maybe you can help me think about something

I think the SVS kill was PR hunting

read SVS ISO and there's quite a bit about digging, the mechanics

Kate's ISO is similar, actually, and uhhhhhhh yeah

if SVS kill was PR hunting and thus maybe not to influence town about the rest of the falcon wagon, what does that say about the remains of the falcon wagon? aka Sabi and fingersplints

what do u think about svs's reads?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 7:23 pm Vote: falcon aubergine

Digging b4

Gtg

Glglgl

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:13 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:43 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 1:02 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:43 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:33 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:28 am well maybe neon got some sleep haha

Naw I'm at work what's up got any thoughts?

I'm trying to figure out who I would vote for GTH

I watched people kill town!Falcon in the NPC mess and I wasn't brave enough to stand up for him there but, not the same vibes from this Falcon...so I guess I wouldn't defend him again

can't shake the wilgy paranoia

wondering when lucy will return

actually I'm gonna go to sleep now sorry >.<

You waiting for an excuse to vote me or something?

speaking of what's on my mind

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine Dig B6

Aye, and what is on your mind is a bunch of nothing sauce.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:59 pm OK, Pyxxy has pretty much convinced me that they and Falcon are w/w, I could vote for either. But since Seanzie didn't get his vote and voted for Pyxxy, and also becasue I want to get ahead of the Wilgy wagon, which I don't like, Imma vote for Falcon rather than Pyxxy.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine Dig 5B

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:33 pm Since I asked you your thoughts on Falcon, I reread you for Falcon related content.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:43 am
I'm trying to figure out who I would vote for GTH

I watched people kill town!Falcon in the NPC mess and I wasn't brave enough to stand up for him there but, not the same vibes from this Falcon...so I guess I wouldn't defend him again

can't shake the wilgy paranoia

wondering when lucy will return

actually I'm gonna go to sleep now sorry >.<

So here you said you maybe sussed him? I think? This is a very pretzelly statement.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:51 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:48 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:39 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:02 pm Either I don't understand pyxxy's thought process or shes a tad all over the place.

Keeping her at WL.

little bit of both, I think

just trying to say what's on my mind

Fair enough. I don't know you well and barring a big change y9u aren't getting my vote today.

oh

that's a little surprising

did you see how I naked voted for Wilgy? does that change anything?

your falcon quotes are.....not unreasonable

Also here, you say this like you think it's maybe not unreasonable to suspect him? Or that what Falcon said is not unreasonable? Again, kinda pretzel like. This could be read more than one way.

Do you have anything definitive to say on him?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:57 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:46 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:33 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:30 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:29 pm I really wish I could move my vote.

Who would you move it to? Plz don't say me.

I have harped incessantly about one player, and the harped on is harpy-like.

Well, just because you've harped on it, doesn't mean that's the only person you might sus. I've never seen Falcon bad. I've never see you bad, Neon or alot of other people bad. And some people, like Mac, Splints, or marmot, I haven't seen bad in years, and I'm sure they evolved.

Are you a player that relies on tells for finding wolves? I don't think you should be so discouraged from lack of wolf data on the majority of the cast. Your natural scumfinding abilities should carry you through.

I am a gut player, but even the basic playstyle has changed alot since I last played (until recently) that I am not sure how to read things that other people find suspish, or towny. Like my first game back, I sussed Sabi for several things that, to me, were pretty universal bad tells, and I was in fact 100% wrong about them. Watching cartomancy, I found that most people play like that now.

For the most part, I'm a gut player. But having a comparative baseline is still good.

Since I'm about to reread him, what do you think of Falcon? If you already said, I may have missed it.

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:48 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:39 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:02 pm Either I don't understand pyxxy's thought process or shes a tad all over the place.

Keeping her at WL.

little bit of both, I think

just trying to say what's on my mind

Fair enough. I don't know you well and barring a big change y9u aren't getting my vote today.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:33 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:30 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:29 pm I really wish I could move my vote.

Who would you move it to? Plz don't say me.

I have harped incessantly about one player, and the harped on is harpy-like.

Well, just because you've harped on it, doesn't mean that's the only person you might sus. I've never seen Falcon bad. I've never see you bad, Neon or alot of other people bad. And some people, like Mac, Splints, or marmot, I haven't seen bad in years, and I'm sure they evolved.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 1:02 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:43 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:33 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:28 am well maybe neon got some sleep haha

Naw I'm at work what's up got any thoughts?

I'm trying to figure out who I would vote for GTH

I watched people kill town!Falcon in the NPC mess and I wasn't brave enough to stand up for him there but, not the same vibes from this Falcon...so I guess I wouldn't defend him again

can't shake the wilgy paranoia

wondering when lucy will return

actually I'm gonna go to sleep now sorry >.<

You waiting for an excuse to vote me or something?

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:02 pm Either I don't understand pyxxy's thought process or shes a tad all over the place.

Keeping her at WL.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:33 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:28 am well maybe neon got some sleep haha

Naw I'm at work what's up got any thoughts?

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:15 am I'm always alone in thread when I'm on

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:34 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:40 pm @Kate did you watch Holes growing up?

No, I just read a summary online before the game started. Did you?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:09 pm [VOTE: neon] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:45 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:32 pmI hate mech

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 5:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:44 am hey soz team I'm a bit busy atm... I'll try to make some time

What's a soz team?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 5:21 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:56 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:32 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:02 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:19 pm Aye, I think it's weird that Sean knew to dig but didn't know that votes were locked.

Like, how much of a slip is it to try to swing for the early power roles?

Yeah, don't really have an explanation. I even remembered all the other things mentioned in the bolded "Important:" thing, but was not aware votes were locked. Clearly I am a great reader

Why would trying to get a power role be a slip?

It's the eagerness.

Scum starts with more data than town SoD1. Figured it may be better for wolves to leverage it while it's available.

Digging early maximizes the chance of getting a power role for either alignment, so the eagerness is NAI.

Why does it maximize the chance?

tldr: since I didn't dig the hole I knew was empty, the remaining 35 holes are a little more likely to be empty than the 35 I choose from.
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I didn't completely work out the math, so it is possible I am overlooking something, but my intuition strongly suggests that digging first maximizes the chance. To explain, consider a simpler situation with three holes, one PR and just two people, both of whom are VT, VT1 and VT2.

VT1 digs first, and won't select the hole they know is empty, so has a 1/2 chance of getting the PR.

Now let's look at VT2. WIth probability 1/2 VT1 hit VT2's empty spot, so VT2 randomly chooses from the other two spots and VT2 has probability 1/2 of getting the PR, so this situation contributes 1/4 probability of VT2 getting a PR. The second situation to consider is that with probability 1/2 VT1 misses VT2's empty spot. In this case, VT1 must have gotten the PR, so VT2 has 0 chance of getting the PR.

Thus, with 3 holes, 2 VTs and 1 PR, the one who digs first has probability 1/2, while the other has probability 1/4 of getting the PR. Twice as likely.

With more holes, the differences in probabilities are significantly less than this, and it is worth noting that digging first also maximizes the probability of getting lizardead. Also, I didn't think too hard about how the people with extra powers or the mafia knowledge affects things, but I think it is still likely that digging first maximizes the chances of getting a PR.

This is a little like a backwards version of the goat and car probability puzzle (being someone who studies probability theory, you'd think I'd know the name of this super famous puzzle off the top of my head...).

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:04 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:59 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:23 am [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Votes are not changeable in the poll.

You have to dig in the same post as your vote

Ture, although I don't have to dig today.

I probably should have waited though, pyxxxy made a good point that digging early is pro-town in order to give the powers to the townies.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:32 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:02 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:19 pm Aye, I think it's weird that Sean knew to dig but didn't know that votes were locked.

Like, how much of a slip is it to try to swing for the early power roles?

Yeah, don't really have an explanation. I even remembered all the other things mentioned in the bolded "Important:" thing, but was not aware votes were locked. Clearly I am a great reader

Why would trying to get a power role be a slip?

It's the eagerness.

Scum starts with more data than town SoD1. Figured it may be better for wolves to leverage it while it's available.

Digging early maximizes the chance of getting a power role for either alignment, so the eagerness is NAI.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:27 pm Is the grid reset every day? No, right? There are 36 spaces, if not reset, then after they’re all dug up, there’s just no more digging?

Linki happy birthday Sabi

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 5:30 am That was a nice quick read
I don’t like the early voting in a game with non changing votes. I haven’t read the roles yet, so unless there is a role that knows hole information, I can’t see the benefit of rushing to vote to get a certain hole.