The Syndicate

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:53 pm Equity level = Number of people you never voted

7 = Mayo and Dennis
4 = Mighty , SAR and Sloonei
3 = Dennis, Neon and Santy
2 = Seanzie

I see, thank you. And your argument is that it more likely makes him scum in this game state?

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:47 pm I think SVS looks like the most 'equity spewed' if it makes any sense or I am crazy ?

Explain equity spewed?

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:25 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:22 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:12 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:11 pm My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny
You're too good a wolf for me to rule it out in a faction game. But you'll notice I'm not voting for you at this time

Why is Mayo town? They were very very obviously not aligned with the Werecreatures, but that is not the same as "town".
My VCA is perfect.

I shot falcon.

I outed Lawpy and Genny.

What part isn't village? Honestly, my only criticism is that I'm still alive.
But we're not looking for were creatures anymore so a lot of those village points become a lot more obfuscated
What affiliation do you think fits my play at this point?

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:12 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:11 pm My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny
Why is Mayo town? They were very very obviously not aligned with the Werecreatures, but that is not the same as "town".
My VCA is perfect.

I shot falcon.

I outed Lawpy and Genny.

What part isn't village? Honestly, my only criticism is that I'm still alive.

But we're not looking for were creatures anymore so a lot of those village points become a lot more obfuscated

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:18 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:16 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:11 pm My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny
Why SVS? I get that you don't trust the mason claim for the other two
@SARdoghandler same question. You've been a bit... something less canadian this game

I detailed my thoughts process earlier and I'm on my phone so grabbing it is difficult but it is there. Basically I made village arguments for everybody but Sloonei/SVS/you based on today. Started on Sloonei because I didn't want to split votes but now I think SVS might be the most likely hit

Mmm I did forget that deep dive Sloonei took on me yesterday. I'm inclined to read that as townie because I do tend to be an easier push in late game so village reading me feels good

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Though I need to go back and look at Seanzie's vote timing because I might be clearingish them for bad reasons.

I will do so once I'm off my shift

Interesting that those are also the group who haven't voted yet. Waiting to see how the Santy v Dennis turns out maybe?

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine to not spread votes too far

For that reason, I feel Seanzie is likely (but not guaranteed) town. So if I read town myself, Dennis, mighty, Seanzie, and Santy. Then assume neon is town based on Santy feeling confident.

I am likely looking at voting between SVS, Sloonei, and Mayo. Not for any particularly good reasons but I feel like we're grasping at straws here a bit with no faction2 flips

I think I believe Dennis for now. But I also think Santy's push there is likely village unless scum need only one or two more misyeets.

I think more likely scum is sitting back and watching it happen

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 4:46 pm @Sloonei
@S~V~S
@Mayo the Mayo
@SARdoghandler

Remember vote close is TONIGHT

Oh crap right thanks

Thursdays are my evening shift and on call so I definitely forgot completely

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:47 am
Where do you saw a Mason being kicked out because they were roleblocked??

Tbf this sounds like something I'd do as a mod. I once let one mason be tracked as "visiting" the other mason

Trying to decide if I feel like masonry is legit here. I do believe tutuu knowledge was BTS because otherwise that doesn't make sense how Dennis was so confident in how Mac was protected. Tutuu then village read mighty/Dennis, yeah?

Well it feels like a whole new game, no one is clear and the points don't matter

Interesting that only one person was killed last night despite a different faction inheriting the WC kill

Well this got interesting again

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 9:32 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 9:29 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 9:26 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 9:21 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 9:21 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 9:15 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 9:13 pm SAR, you knew genny was telling the truth that she visited PSV the night she died?
Yes. Which is why I bamboozled myself into WIFOM that she wasn't a wolf
Because you thought PSV was the wolf kill?
Yep.
Did you know what genny did, or not until she claimed/flipped?
I did not know exactly what she did until the flip but I knew some things she did not do
Ok, so you didn't know it was genny then either until she claimed, but it lined up when she did.

Kind of? I can't really be more clear without outing info on thread which I'm not sure is helpful or not at the current time.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 9:26 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 9:21 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 9:21 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 9:15 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 9:13 pm SAR, you knew genny was telling the truth that she visited PSV the night she died?
Yes. Which is why I bamboozled myself into WIFOM that she wasn't a wolf
Because you thought PSV was the wolf kill?
Yep.
Did you know what genny did, or not until she claimed/flipped?

I did not know exactly what she did until the flip but I knew some things she did not do

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 9:21 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 9:15 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 9:13 pm SAR, you knew genny was telling the truth that she visited PSV the night she died?
Yes. Which is why I bamboozled myself into WIFOM that she wasn't a wolf
Because you thought PSV was the wolf kill?

Yep.

miranda920 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:10 pm I'm interested in why @Seanzie is on SAR, she doesn't feel overtly scummy to me

miranda920 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:59 pm She honestly sounds pretty typical town SAR to me. But I’ve never played a game with her where she was a wolf, so I can’t speak to that.

miranda920 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:50 pm SAR - leans town

miranda920 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 5:54 pm Here I'll give you some updated reads, although not too much has changed

SAR - leans town, but that's only because I am inherently biased

miranda920 wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 2:04 pm If there is one WC left, I think by process of elimination we are between MR7 and SAR (as much as I hate that)

@miranda920 These posts are all the ones where you directly reference a read on me. I'm sorry, but I don't think your progression makes sense if you are village. You went from having a town read on me for reasons, to hedging but village reading, to voting me as top POE. This does feel like you're trying to find a reason to vote me without looking as sketchy as it is

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 9:13 pm SAR, you knew genny was telling the truth that she visited PSV the night she died?

Yes. Which is why I bamboozled myself into WIFOM that she wasn't a wolf

miranda920 wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 9:04 pm Well I hate this one, but this is where I’m at due to my process of elimination

[VOTE: SARdoghandler] aubergine

Forgive me, mother

miranda920 wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 9:04 pm Well I hate this one, but this is where I’m at due to my process of elimination

[VOTE: SARdoghandler] aubergine

Forgive me, mother

Lol this is actually the most eyebrow raising post you've made thus far. How did I go from village lean to top in POE?

Self-pres I understand but this progression doesn't make sense

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 8:50 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 8:48 pm Wow I hate trying to quote from isos. I just thought I quoted 5 posts, only managed to capture one apparently

@santygrass is this skill issue?
Yes. Been there.

I think when you open multiple tabs it doesnt keep track of the quoted live if it makes sense.

So, if you multiquote one post, when you go to the other tab have to f5 so it shows you the previous post, and then multiquote the new post. And ad infinitum

Yeah I tried refreshing and it still wouldn't pick it up so I gave up for now haha

Anyway, I was trying to quote these posts:
#3587; 3817; 4043; 4059; 4085

Essentially, Miranda always pairing reads of genny and seanzie as similar, with a side of Santy sometimes. Overall, I doubt that miranda/genny/seanzie are all wolves

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 8:48 pm I have achieved Nirvana. My understanding of Dubz playstyle is so good tha I can now recreate what she would be reading SAR as of right now. I have unlocked a SAR soulread with extra steps tm .

* In Dubz voice * : SAR is Town

Wow I hate trying to quote from isos. I just thought I quoted 5 posts, only managed to capture one apparently

@santygrass is this skill issue?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 8:41 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 8:37 pm If Miranda does flip wolf, it would lead to some interesting interactions with living players too. Like I don't think she and Seanzie are very compatible as a pair
Why?

Her pushing you and genny yesterday would feel like very unusual wolf theatrics to me. More likely that you're village if she flips wolf. I can quote the posts I mean if you give me a second

[VOTE: Miranda] aubergine

Now I want to see if it's an actual tell

If Miranda does flip wolf, it would lead to some interesting interactions with living players too. Like I don't think she and Seanzie are very compatible as a pair

miranda920 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 6:37 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 6:21 pm @miranda920 have I played when you woofed yet?
You haven’t, I’ve only woofed in the FE game

miranda920 wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 8:28 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 8:27 pm
miranda920 wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 8:25 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 8:22 pm Wait a minute

@miranda920 I have too played with you as a wolf. I played the Fire Emblem game
You were not a wolf with me?
No, as in I have played a game in which you were a wolf. Earlier I think you told me I haven't seen you wolf
Oh then I must have misunderstood, I thought you were asking if we had been in a pack together

I have compared Miranda's posts and tone this game to Stardeww (recent village outing) and Fire Emblem (only wolf outing) and have discovered some discrepancies that may be AI or may be nothing at all. However, I think my overall conclusion is that her current posting tone appears to actually be most similar to her Fire Emblem posting. Of course, limitations given her relative lack of total games, but it is enough to have me reconsider how strong my village lean there is.

If she flips wolf I may actually have spotted a village tell but we'll have to see because N=1 is not enough for me to be confident it actually is a tell. But it's a pretty subtle tone shift I didn't notice at first that only jumps out when iso-ing all 3 threads side by side

miranda920 wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 8:25 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 8:22 pm Wait a minute

@miranda920 I have too played with you as a wolf. I played the Fire Emblem game
You were not a wolf with me?

No, as in I have played a game in which you were a wolf. Earlier I think you told me I haven't seen you wolf

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 8:19 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 8:15 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 7:24 pm I don't think Miranda is a hit, but I also haven't read anything in the past day.

Has SAR stepped up her play at all to clear herself?
Nope. *insert SDN banana emoji here*
Thanks for the K

Now would be a helpful time to do that.

Wow this never even occurred to me

Wait a minute

@miranda920 I have too played with you as a wolf. I played the Fire Emblem game

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 7:24 pm I don't think Miranda is a hit, but I also haven't read anything in the past day.

Has SAR stepped up her play at all to clear herself?

Nope. *insert SDN banana emoji here*

miranda920 wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 8:07 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 7:58 pm I prefer miranda over SAR but it looks like things are going that way anyway.

@miranda920 if you have anything to claim, the sooner the better.
Eh my role was a watcher, but I didn’t gain any information from that

Who did you target?

(Yes, I am currently working on Miranda iso and comparing it to Stardeww. Not that it will matter much if its me v Miranda today anyway)

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 11:57 pm If EoD was rn rn , I maybe would vote Miranda. But I want to know SAR's take on miranda so maybe this way SAR will feel more urgency hmmyes

Meh, no urgency on my part. I think we're doing well enough that if village thinks I'm in egg cracking territory then I accept that

That said, apologies I didn't make it back yesterday. Working on a two day migraine and had a very sad times day at work so I'll be trying to iso Miranda tonight if my head doesn't give out

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 1:02 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 11:22 am I think either I or Miranda (if she is village, will do a more detailed review and iso when I'm not at work as promised) would be easy wolf pushes today.

I still have Mayo as strong village so side eye to Sloonei for being the second to jump on that. If Miranda is village, then side eye also to SVS for the same reasoning
I don't like this post. I think both of you are reasonable for town to push, so someone pushing you is not reason alone for a side eye.

Is there something about Sloonei or Svs's pushes that is wolfy?

I don't think we're unreasonable pushes, just that we might be easy pushes for wolves to pile on to. Hence that second-on-the-train after a probably villager is a side eye spot for me. The train is starting, easy spot for a wolf to jump on to see if they can get the momentum started

I think either I or Miranda (if she is village, will do a more detailed review and iso when I'm not at work as promised) would be easy wolf pushes today.

I still have Mayo as strong village so side eye to Sloonei for being the second to jump on that. If Miranda is village, then side eye also to SVS for the same reasoning

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:07 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:04 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:03 pm I was lowkey hoping to die tonight . Why my suffering has to continue

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine
Hello I feel better about you now
Hihi, I'm glad. When you can , give another look at miranda?

Like , is their tone really villagey?? I'm hung up too with thei rrad progression on me, and I think you are better suited to make a call there rather than me

I will try to dedicate time to that tomorrow evening, sure

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:03 pm I was lowkey hoping to die tonight . Why my suffering has to continue

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Hello I feel better about you now

Well I was bamboozled and I now stand ready for the shade I shall receive for last cycles actions

Feels bad, y'all

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:58 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:52 pm [VOTE: Mightyrunner7] aubergine
I think this would have been interesting discussion an hour ago. A bit late now to move the wagons effectively I think
More than enough people here to have got it over tbh.

I think the genny wagon is too stagnant

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:52 pm [VOTE: Mightyrunner7] aubergine

I think this would have been interesting discussion an hour ago. A bit late now to move the wagons effectively I think

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:51 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:49 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:48 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:45 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:43 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:40 pm

Why do you think that?
Because her usage of her ability doesn't feel scummy to me. It feels like genny
Do you feel like that claim is beyond !wolf genny's meta?
I feel like scum genny never uses on a player their faction is going to kill. Does not totally rule out her being other faction but I'm inclined to lean not for now
Would scum!Genny lie about who they used it on?
She didn't.
Is this somehow deducible from things in the thread that I missed, or are you making a claim of information?

I've been softing info all day on thread. So, technically both now

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:48 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:45 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:43 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:40 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:40 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:38 pm

Movement in what direction?

You want me yeeted the most rn?
I don't think genny is a hit
Why do you think that?
Because her usage of her ability doesn't feel scummy to me. It feels like genny
Do you feel like that claim is beyond !wolf genny's meta?
I feel like scum genny never uses on a player their faction is going to kill. Does not totally rule out her being other faction but I'm inclined to lean not for now
Would scum!Genny lie about who they used it on?

She didn't.

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:43 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:40 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:40 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:38 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:37 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:35 pm Is only Mac here or what?
I'm still here but I'm staying out of... Whatever the two of you have going. Just waiting to see if the genny wagon is going to have any movement
Movement in what direction?

You want me yeeted the most rn?
I don't think genny is a hit
Why do you think that?
Because her usage of her ability doesn't feel scummy to me. It feels like genny
Do you feel like that claim is beyond !wolf genny's meta?

I feel like scum genny never uses on a player their faction is going to kill. Does not totally rule out her being other faction but I'm inclined to lean not for now

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:41 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:40 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:38 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:37 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:35 pm Is only Mac here or what?
I'm still here but I'm staying out of... Whatever the two of you have going. Just waiting to see if the genny wagon is going to have any movement
Movement in what direction?

You want me yeeted the most rn?
I don't think genny is a hit
Answer my question. You want me yeeted the most?
I am nit talking in a me or genny way. Out of all players, you want to yeet me the most?

Yeah sure, especially with that tone

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:40 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:40 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:38 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:37 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:35 pm Is only Mac here or what?
I'm still here but I'm staying out of... Whatever the two of you have going. Just waiting to see if the genny wagon is going to have any movement
Movement in what direction?

You want me yeeted the most rn?
I don't think genny is a hit
Why do you think that?

Because her usage of her ability doesn't feel scummy to me. It feels like genny

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:39 pm
SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:37 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:35 pm Is only Mac here or what?
I'm still here but I'm staying out of... Whatever the two of you have going. Just waiting to see if the genny wagon is going to have any movement
Ask Santy why I'm mafia.

No thanks. Too much heat there, makes my little anxious self nervous

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