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[☆Princess Abigail☆]

she's not though sauce: me

My only contribution today shall be the following statement

Anybody who pushes Santy after that kill is scum

Thank you. This is a Neon psa

she's not though sauce: me

My only contribution today shall be the following statement

Anybody who pushes Santy after that kill is scum

Thank you. This is a Neon psa

I have to agree, the point of that was to set up Santy.

From my perspective, Miranda had been pocketing Mac for a few days now. But I think he might have had a different perspective after Gennys yeet, and might have outlived his usefullness to Miranda as well.

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@Sloonei I would advise you to read Mirandas ISO and then ask me again if you think I'm wrong.

Imma repeat it again:

So I'm gonna drop a vote on Miranda, cause guys, she's waffly, evasive and bad. In before Neon starts yelling at me about how a day one vote from a posited teammate makes her town; in Cosmere, I voted for my teammate Falcon on Day 1 for distancing, and got stuck in traffic and couldn't move my vote in time and he was yeeted. A day one vote from Creature that he didn't even stay on clears no one.

[VOTE: Miranda] aubergine

Mirandas first post of Day 3, making excuses for Dya and their "creature may be busy" post that Marmot subsequently picked up, and got into trouble over; since the mafias kill was redirected to Marmot it's hard to say if he was bad or civ.

Spoiler: show

Anyways, I'd look into genny/mayo/miranda maybe today

Also Dennis.

Dennis/Miranda hmmyes

Mayo and Miranda seem fine to me. Genny is just a complete shrug.

What do you think of Lawpy/Dya? Dya was quite pivotal in saving Creature and ensuring Scotty went over d1.

I can’t answer for dyas but my understanding was it’s an attempt to give a benefit of doubt for IRL reasons. Obviously that doesn’t look good in retrospect

My first Long Post on Miranda:

Spoiler: show

Miranda, sorry you're pressed for time. I've been there.

I feel like there's a post restriction here.

There's not a post restrictor, unless it's something an inventor cooked up.

This actually feels like a genuine slip. I believe he didn't know Creature had the role. But I also want to know why you dismissed the idea completely @NateTheLesser?

this is interesting...

Mac has had a zillion posts the last two nights, and this is the one you caught up to?

Do you have any other reasons to find Nate suspish?

When I checked your ISO for Nate I found this, and that's it for your suspish of Nate.

So I did a quick iso of Nate and marmot since that seemed to be a place of some discussion

I don’t feel strongly about marmot, I lean town there
Nate doesn’t seem particularly wolfy, but the seemingly random vote for Dennis was a little weird

I don’t think they’re paired
I’d say Nate seems less town than marmot IMO

I’m going to look into creature and falcon next

But you know what? You never did look into creature and Falcon.

This all sounds like TMI on Marmot, "Oh he's not bad". Then you vote for him? What did you find out about Creature that led you to vote Marmot instead?

So I did a quick iso of Nate and marmot since that seemed to be a place of some discussion

I don’t feel strongly about marmot, I lean town there
Nate doesn’t seem particularly wolfy, but the seemingly random vote for Dennis was a little weird

I don’t think they’re paired
I’d say Nate seems less town than marmot IMO

I’m going to look into creature and falcon next

I'm confused where you're getting the town lean on marmot?
Nate just feels like Nate to me.

Nothing that marmot has said has felt wolfy to me, you don’t have to agree with me

Okay I have limited time
I’m between creature and marmot

On my first read of Marmot, nothing stood out to me that would make me lean wolf/mafia there
But it appears I may be missing so important familiarity context and that marmot isn’t playing as they typically would

I’ve already discussed creature and how I felt some things there seem odd

Okay, I’m going to go marmot here
I don’t have time to really look into the other options since I’m literally in the stadium for the concert now

If I’m wrong then I’ll vote creature next cycle

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

All the people I feel OK about seem to think you're town, so I'm not sure I'll get any traction on this, and i don't love pushing onto someone who is AFK.

And the Next. She did eventually pull up some quotes after being poked a bit, but they didn't explain her progression. Throughout the first two day she was waffly.

Spoiler: show

Miranda, sorry you're pressed for time. I've been there.

This actually feels like a genuine slip. I believe he didn't know Creature had the role. But I also want to know why you dismissed the idea completely @NateTheLesser?

this is interesting...

Mac has had a zillion posts the last two nights, and this is the one you caught up to?

Do you have any other reasons to find Nate suspish?

When I checked your ISO for Nate I found this, and that's it for your suspish of Nate.

So I did a quick iso of Nate and marmot since that seemed to be a place of some discussion

I don’t feel strongly about marmot, I lean town there
Nate doesn’t seem particularly wolfy, but the seemingly random vote for Dennis was a little weird

I don’t think they’re paired
I’d say Nate seems less town than marmot IMO

I’m going to look into creature and falcon next

But you know what? You never did look into creature and Falcon.

This all sounds like TMI on Marmot, "Oh he's not bad". Then you vote for him? What did you find out about Creature that led you to vote Marmot instead?

I'm confused where you're getting the town lean on marmot?
Nate just feels like Nate to me.

Nothing that marmot has said has felt wolfy to me, you don’t have to agree with me

Okay I have limited time
I’m between creature and marmot

On my first read of Marmot, nothing stood out to me that would make me lean wolf/mafia there
But it appears I may be missing so important familiarity context and that marmot isn’t playing as they typically would

I’ve already discussed creature and how I felt some things there seem odd

Okay, I’m going to go marmot here
I don’t have time to really look into the other options since I’m literally in the stadium for the concert now

If I’m wrong then I’ll vote creature next cycle

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

All the people I feel OK about seem to think you're town, so I'm not sure I'll get any traction on this, and i don't love pushing onto someone who is AFK.

I DID look into falcon and creature, just because I didn’t do a million quotes doesn’t mean I didn’t

I did place suspicion on creature and I regrettably went with marmot because I honestly felt better about those voting there at that time. Especially since I had limited time I didn’t really have a lot to go on.
I clearly stated, I’m going marmot today and will vote creature next.

Also I addressed Nate, I do try to read everything, even if I might not comment on everything.
I just found it an interesting point.

This was the other. Can you link me to where you discussed Falcon and Creature next, as you had said you would?

I’m not looking for a million quotes, just a progression that helps me understand your vote.

Thanks!

This was just an observation, but a telling one. You should really read her ISO. AM died Night 1, Sporty died night 2. She never did that ISO on SDN Miranda.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: @miranda920] aubergine

SDN ISO to follow, but not today

Then yesterday, she voted for Genny, until Mac came in, and as she had been sheeping him for a few days, she jumped vote for a mega flimsy reason. Or no reason, really.

Spoiler: show

Would much rather chop Santy than Genny after my iso dive that literally nobody bothered to read which shows he is blatantly partnered with Falcon.

I’m down for a santy yeet

[VOTE: Santy] aubergine

Her next post she threw Genny a softball, and gave Genny a few suggestions of people to vote for.

Spoiler: show

Would much rather chop Santy than Genny after my iso dive that literally nobody bothered to read which shows he is blatantly partnered with Falcon.

I’m down for a santy yeet

[VOTE: Santy] aubergine

And here she kinda blames Mac for her vote, and points out she had voted for Genny earlier. But that rascally mac convinced her to move it.

I gotta get ready for work, bbl.

More than just these two have made these takes, but I don't get it. Anyone who was around at EoD saw Mac recanted their Santy read. It was becoming clear that Mac was getting townread and doing a good job town leading, so that's enough to make the kill on it's own. In a slightly more conceited way, I actually kind of suspect there is at least one TSer left as a wolf because they know I sometimes push Mac quite hard and it pushes him off his game, and I didn't do that this game, and once they realized I wasn't going to do that, the last reason to keep Mac alive was gone, leading to the kill.

That being said, my point here is that Mac's kill doesn't really say anything about Santy's alignment IMO. I am not interested in going for Santy right now, but if anyone is saying "I townread Santy because Mac died", I will not acknowledge this as a legitimate reason to townread them and will expect more to substantiate it.

Well my main point.

and why i actually do think svs is kinda scummy

Is that Mac recanted on Santy and more to the point that suggesting the night kill had to do with Santy in any way is just weird when Mac was obv town.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Obv town and there for an obv yeet.

[Seanzie]

@Seanzie

I tend to think that after his reversal, Mac had also lost his use to Miranda, since she had explicitly followed him.

But I still wouldn’t suspect Santy based on it.

I agree on not suspecting Santy based on it. My point was that it isn't really a reason to townread them either. Perhaps you weren't explicitly doing so, but if I see someone say "this was to set up X", I assume that to mean "this suggests X is town", but perhaps I'm reading into it too much.

[Seanzie]

Spoiler: show

she's not though sauce: me

My only contribution today shall be the following statement

Anybody who pushes Santy after that kill is scum

Thank you. This is a Neon psa

she's not though sauce: me

My only contribution today shall be the following statement

Anybody who pushes Santy after that kill is scum

Thank you. This is a Neon psa

I have to agree, the point of that was to set up Santy.

From my perspective, Miranda had been pocketing Mac for a few days now. But I think he might have had a different perspective after Gennys yeet, and might have outlived his usefullness to Miranda as well.

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@Sloonei I would advise you to read Mirandas ISO and then ask me again if you think I'm wrong.

Imma repeat it again:

So I'm gonna drop a vote on Miranda, cause guys, she's waffly, evasive and bad. In before Neon starts yelling at me about how a day one vote from a posited teammate makes her town; in Cosmere, I voted for my teammate Falcon on Day 1 for distancing, and got stuck in traffic and couldn't move my vote in time and he was yeeted. A day one vote from Creature that he didn't even stay on clears no one.

[VOTE: Miranda] aubergine

Mirandas first post of Day 3, making excuses for Dya and their "creature may be busy" post that Marmot subsequently picked up, and got into trouble over; since the mafias kill was redirected to Marmot it's hard to say if he was bad or civ.

Spoiler: show

Anyways, I'd look into genny/mayo/miranda maybe today

Also Dennis.

Dennis/Miranda hmmyes

Mayo and Miranda seem fine to me. Genny is just a complete shrug.

What do you think of Lawpy/Dya? Dya was quite pivotal in saving Creature and ensuring Scotty went over d1.

I can’t answer for dyas but my understanding was it’s an attempt to give a benefit of doubt for IRL reasons. Obviously that doesn’t look good in retrospect

My first Long Post on Miranda:

Spoiler: show

Miranda, sorry you're pressed for time. I've been there.

There's not a post restrictor, unless it's something an inventor cooked up.

This actually feels like a genuine slip. I believe he didn't know Creature had the role. But I also want to know why you dismissed the idea completely @NateTheLesser?

this is interesting...

Mac has had a zillion posts the last two nights, and this is the one you caught up to?

Do you have any other reasons to find Nate suspish?

When I checked your ISO for Nate I found this, and that's it for your suspish of Nate.

So I did a quick iso of Nate and marmot since that seemed to be a place of some discussion

I don’t feel strongly about marmot, I lean town there
Nate doesn’t seem particularly wolfy, but the seemingly random vote for Dennis was a little weird

I don’t think they’re paired
I’d say Nate seems less town than marmot IMO

I’m going to look into creature and falcon next

But you know what? You never did look into creature and Falcon.

This all sounds like TMI on Marmot, "Oh he's not bad". Then you vote for him? What did you find out about Creature that led you to vote Marmot instead?

So I did a quick iso of Nate and marmot since that seemed to be a place of some discussion

I don’t feel strongly about marmot, I lean town there
Nate doesn’t seem particularly wolfy, but the seemingly random vote for Dennis was a little weird

I don’t think they’re paired
I’d say Nate seems less town than marmot IMO

I’m going to look into creature and falcon next

I'm confused where you're getting the town lean on marmot?
Nate just feels like Nate to me.

Nothing that marmot has said has felt wolfy to me, you don’t have to agree with me

Okay I have limited time
I’m between creature and marmot

On my first read of Marmot, nothing stood out to me that would make me lean wolf/mafia there
But it appears I may be missing so important familiarity context and that marmot isn’t playing as they typically would

I’ve already discussed creature and how I felt some things there seem odd

Okay, I’m going to go marmot here
I don’t have time to really look into the other options since I’m literally in the stadium for the concert now

If I’m wrong then I’ll vote creature next cycle

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

All the people I feel OK about seem to think you're town, so I'm not sure I'll get any traction on this, and i don't love pushing onto someone who is AFK.

And the Next. She did eventually pull up some quotes after being poked a bit, but they didn't explain her progression. Throughout the first two day she was waffly.

Spoiler: show

Miranda, sorry you're pressed for time. I've been there.

this is interesting...

Mac has had a zillion posts the last two nights, and this is the one you caught up to?

Do you have any other reasons to find Nate suspish?

When I checked your ISO for Nate I found this, and that's it for your suspish of Nate.

So I did a quick iso of Nate and marmot since that seemed to be a place of some discussion

I don’t feel strongly about marmot, I lean town there
Nate doesn’t seem particularly wolfy, but the seemingly random vote for Dennis was a little weird

I don’t think they’re paired
I’d say Nate seems less town than marmot IMO

I’m going to look into creature and falcon next

But you know what? You never did look into creature and Falcon.

This all sounds like TMI on Marmot, "Oh he's not bad". Then you vote for him? What did you find out about Creature that led you to vote Marmot instead?

Nothing that marmot has said has felt wolfy to me, you don’t have to agree with me

Okay I have limited time
I’m between creature and marmot

On my first read of Marmot, nothing stood out to me that would make me lean wolf/mafia there
But it appears I may be missing so important familiarity context and that marmot isn’t playing as they typically would

I’ve already discussed creature and how I felt some things there seem odd

Okay, I’m going to go marmot here
I don’t have time to really look into the other options since I’m literally in the stadium for the concert now

If I’m wrong then I’ll vote creature next cycle

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

All the people I feel OK about seem to think you're town, so I'm not sure I'll get any traction on this, and i don't love pushing onto someone who is AFK.

I DID look into falcon and creature, just because I didn’t do a million quotes doesn’t mean I didn’t

I did place suspicion on creature and I regrettably went with marmot because I honestly felt better about those voting there at that time. Especially since I had limited time I didn’t really have a lot to go on.
I clearly stated, I’m going marmot today and will vote creature next.

Also I addressed Nate, I do try to read everything, even if I might not comment on everything.
I just found it an interesting point.

This was the other. Can you link me to where you discussed Falcon and Creature next, as you had said you would?

I’m not looking for a million quotes, just a progression that helps me understand your vote.

Thanks!

This was just an observation, but a telling one. You should really read her ISO. AM died Night 1, Sporty died night 2. She never did that ISO on SDN Miranda.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: @miranda920] aubergine

SDN ISO to follow, but not today

Then yesterday, she voted for Genny, until Mac came in, and as she had been sheeping him for a few days, she jumped vote for a mega flimsy reason. Or no reason, really.

Spoiler: show

Would much rather chop Santy than Genny after my iso dive that literally nobody bothered to read which shows he is blatantly partnered with Falcon.

I’m down for a santy yeet

[VOTE: Santy] aubergine

Her next post she threw Genny a softball, and gave Genny a few suggestions of people to vote for.

Spoiler: show

Would much rather chop Santy than Genny after my iso dive that literally nobody bothered to read which shows he is blatantly partnered with Falcon.

I’m down for a santy yeet

[VOTE: Santy] aubergine

And here she kinda blames Mac for her vote, and points out she had voted for Genny earlier. But that rascally mac convinced her to move it.

I gotta get ready for work, bbl.

More than just these two have made these takes, but I don't get it. Anyone who was around at EoD saw Mac recanted their Santy read. It was becoming clear that Mac was getting townread and doing a good job town leading, so that's enough to make the kill on it's own. In a slightly more conceited way, I actually kind of suspect there is at least one TSer left as a wolf because they know I sometimes push Mac quite hard and it pushes him off his game, and I didn't do that this game, and once they realized I wasn't going to do that, the last reason to keep Mac alive was gone, leading to the kill.

That being said, my point here is that Mac's kill doesn't really say anything about Santy's alignment IMO. I am not interested in going for Santy right now, but if anyone is saying "I townread Santy because Mac died", I will not acknowledge this as a legitimate reason to townread them and will expect more to substantiate it.

Well my main point.

and why i actually do think svs is kinda scummy

Is that Mac recanted on Santy and more to the point that suggesting the night kill had to do with Santy in any way is just weird when Mac was obv town.

I have a hard time interpreting your first post to mean what you're saying here. Weren't you saying that the Mac kill level 0 points to a potential town!Santy frame? If not, why would pushing Santy have any connection to the Mac kill?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

No I was saying if anyone uses the Mac kill to try to push Mac they are scum and that the discussion around Mac and Santy in any way is scummy.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Try to push Santy*

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I think Santy is town independently and not because of the Mac kill in any way.

[SARdoghandler]

I think either I or Miranda (if she is village, will do a more detailed review and iso when I'm not at work as promised) would be easy wolf pushes today.

I still have Mayo as strong village so side eye to Sloonei for being the second to jump on that. If Miranda is village, then side eye also to SVS for the same reasoning

[S~V~S]

@SARdoghandler To be fair, I’ve been all over Miranda since Day 2. So any side eye I may accrue should have matured to a full eye by now.

[S~V~S]

Ebwop Day3

[Seanzie]

I think either I or Miranda (if she is village, will do a more detailed review and iso when I'm not at work as promised) would be easy wolf pushes today.

I still have Mayo as strong village so side eye to Sloonei for being the second to jump on that. If Miranda is village, then side eye also to SVS for the same reasoning

I don't like this post. I think both of you are reasonable for town to push, so someone pushing you is not reason alone for a side eye.

Is there something about Sloonei or Svs's pushes that is wolfy?

[SARdoghandler]

I think either I or Miranda (if she is village, will do a more detailed review and iso when I'm not at work as promised) would be easy wolf pushes today.

I still have Mayo as strong village so side eye to Sloonei for being the second to jump on that. If Miranda is village, then side eye also to SVS for the same reasoning

I don't like this post. I think both of you are reasonable for town to push, so someone pushing you is not reason alone for a side eye.

Is there something about Sloonei or Svs's pushes that is wolfy?

I don't think we're unreasonable pushes, just that we might be easy pushes for wolves to pile on to. Hence that second-on-the-train after a probably villager is a side eye spot for me. The train is starting, easy spot for a wolf to jump on to see if they can get the momentum started

[santygrass]

In a slightly more conceited way, I actually kind of suspect there is at least one TSer left as a wolf because they know I sometimes push Mac quite hard and it pushes him off his game, and I didn't do that this game, and once they realized I wasn't going to do that, the last reason to keep Mac alive was gone, leading to the kill.

My confbias on Seanzie being town just grows stronger

[santygrass]

@Neon how confident are you on Miranda being villa ?

No need to say a number. Post an anime gif about it and I will get the vibe

[Dennis]

Well my main point.

and why i actually do think svs is kinda scummy

Is that Mac recanted on Santy and more to the point that suggesting the night kill had to do with Santy in any way is just weird when Mac was obv town.

I'm not following, how does this relate to svs

[Dennis]

Why is SAR bad? I still don't remember any of their posts help

[Dennis]

I died in SAR iso lol I got nothing except for that one Mary Poppins gif

[Dennis]

[VOTE: miranda] aubergine heheh I'm sheeping SVS so I can blame her when Miranda flips town

[Dennis]

(Don't worry SVS now they'll think we're not partnered when really we're the last two werecreatures)

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

@Neon how confident are you on Miranda being villa ?

No need to say a number. Post an anime gif about it and I will get the vibe

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Well my main point.

and why i actually do think svs is kinda scummy

Is that Mac recanted on Santy and more to the point that suggesting the night kill had to do with Santy in any way is just weird when Mac was obv town.

I'm not following, how does this relate to svs

Because they've been doing exactly that...

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: miranda] aubergine heheh I'm sheeping SVS so I can blame her when Miranda flips town

When Miranda flips town huh?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

When... when when when.

When.

Js. When.

[S~V~S]

[VOTE: miranda] aubergine heheh I'm sheeping SVS so I can blame her when Miranda flips town

When Miranda flips town huh?

But she won't flip town. I'm not sure why you have this need to refute everything I say, but if it makes you happy, go for it.

I won't say 100% because you can't say 100% without info, and I'll never claim info in a game.

But I'm really pretty sure of this, even if I don't have any cute gifs. I've spent days and days pushing this thing, and I would hope someone would take me seriously.

Today was brutal at work, and I need to recharge tonight.

[S~V~S]

Just blowing someone off for no reason and giving no reason is just disrespectful, IMO.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

When. Js.

Not if. When.

Yeah.

[S~V~S]

Yeah ok, thanks for the grown up engagement, lol.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: miranda] aubergine heheh I'm sheeping SVS so I can blame her when Miranda flips town

When Miranda flips town huh?

But she won't flip town. I'm not sure why you have this need to refute everything I say, but if it makes you happy, go for it.

I won't say 100% because you can't say 100% without info, and I'll never claim info in a game.

But I'm really pretty sure of this, even if I don't have any cute gifs. I've spent days and days pushing this thing, and I would hope someone would take me seriously.

Today was brutal at work, and I need to recharge tonight.

Why would I not defend my town read and why would you imply that this decision is because of some non existent need for me to disagree with you.

I think you are wrong and I will say such.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Just blowing someone off for no reason and giving no reason is just disrespectful, IMO.

I think implying that there's ill motive and not someone just playing the game is pretty not cool but.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Yeah ok, thanks for the grown up engagement, lol.

Okay I'll spell it out.

Dennis just scum slipped TMI.

Oops.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

[Dennis]

[VOTE: miranda] aubergine heheh I'm sheeping SVS so I can blame her when Miranda flips town

When Miranda flips town huh?

Yeah ok, thanks for the grown up engagement, lol.

Okay I'll spell it out.

Dennis just scum slipped TMI.

Oops.

There's actually no way you actually think this

[Dennis]

You cannot be serious

[Dennis]

Did you not follow the trolling I was doing where I pretended to be openwolfing

Was it not obvious

[Dennis]

No you know what it was incredibly obvious

And I'm not going to give you the opportunity to hide behind that. You're actually ridiculous if you think that was a slip

[S~V~S]

Yeah ok, thanks for the grown up engagement, lol.

Okay I'll spell it out.

Dennis just scum slipped TMI.

Oops.

Ok this is pretty hilarious.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: miranda] aubergine heheh I'm sheeping SVS so I can blame her when Miranda flips town

When Miranda flips town huh?

Yeah ok, thanks for the grown up engagement, lol.

Okay I'll spell it out.

Dennis just scum slipped TMI.

Oops.

There's actually no way you actually think this

I very much actually think this

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I also think you've actually just been open wolfing at various points this game and people are just actively ignoring it because like no wolf would do that or something

But actually I find that people who constantly and repeatedly exclaim they are wolf openly in thread are actually JUST A WOLF.

[Dennis]

Okay

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Okay

[santygrass]

Okay

[santygrass]

[VOTE: Mightyrunner7] aubergine

I'll sheep Neon tr

[santygrass]

That gif gave away so much confidence, its the same as a free peek I'd say

[santygrass]

Also I'm not good at reading Dennis so while I see the semantics and potential TMI slip , I think their claim yesterday was towny so eh

[santygrass]

And if Mighty keeps doing nothing I doubt I'll change my vote. So waiting for your thoughts @mightyrunner7

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: MR7] aubergine

Why are you sheeping me Santy?

[Dennis]

I'm sorry for calling you ridiculous Neon

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

It's fine I'm getting used to it these days

[santygrass]

[VOTE: MR7] aubergine

Why are you sheeping me Santy?

Because I dont think you are w/w with miranda and dont seem to be pocketing them + tinfoil that you have mech reason to be clearing miranda and are not telling

[santygrass]

What is your read on sloonei Neon?
I still need to read their ISO + the Lawpy push but I'm feeling super lazy