The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:58 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:56 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:48 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 5:35 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 5:33 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 5:29 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 5:21 pm im looking at camilla and rondo as top mafia suspects

then tinfoil category is pyxxy and roxy

then falcon category coz its falcon

everyone else is super town
What about Wilgy?

I basically have him in my "kinda villagery" area for his last vote on Porscha but in the end it I don't think that it was as good a reason for me to towncore him as Alison/You/Seanzie/Zenon.
i had a villager read on him from his opening post of him being exhausted with his quirk

so basically he says that every game

one time he didn't - he was actual doctor. the next time he was doctor he said it, but im making the argument that wilgy attaches some ... lets say stress/anxiety/effort to his one-liner copy paste gimmick.

him expressing that he got tired of it this game, just like stopping it midway and being like "nvm" basically just reprents to me that he's a vanilla town. so in a way he "let jesus take the wheel"

i might be clearing him too easily, you are making me feel paranoid, but ...

he did sheep. which. hm.

if i try to justify my townread on wilgy im falling flat.

so lets say ... im just going with gut here. i cant provide solid logical argumetns for why wilgy is mega town

also to clarify im NOT softing a green on him
Yh, I'm fine with not voting Wilgy for today.

I don't wanna say anything more as I feel like I've already fucked up enough rn.
Just pulling some Camilla/Wilgy interactives.
I interpreted this as Tutuu having a green check on Wilgy. Which shows a lack of TMI rather than agenda.
Then how come you have Wilgy in your nulls (or if there are supposed to be 3 green categories, at the bottom of your townleans) in your next readlist?

Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 5:42 pm Camilla
Zenon
Alison
tutu

Scotty

J
Wilgy

falcon
pyxxy

Roxy
Rondo

Currently where I'm at, tbh.

Because I didn’t want to signal to the wolfteam that “HEY GUYS THIS IS THE COP AND SHE HAS A GREEN CHECK ON WILGY.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:48 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 5:35 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 5:33 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 5:29 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 5:21 pm im looking at camilla and rondo as top mafia suspects

then tinfoil category is pyxxy and roxy

then falcon category coz its falcon

everyone else is super town
What about Wilgy?

I basically have him in my "kinda villagery" area for his last vote on Porscha but in the end it I don't think that it was as good a reason for me to towncore him as Alison/You/Seanzie/Zenon.
i had a villager read on him from his opening post of him being exhausted with his quirk

so basically he says that every game

one time he didn't - he was actual doctor. the next time he was doctor he said it, but im making the argument that wilgy attaches some ... lets say stress/anxiety/effort to his one-liner copy paste gimmick.

him expressing that he got tired of it this game, just like stopping it midway and being like "nvm" basically just reprents to me that he's a vanilla town. so in a way he "let jesus take the wheel"

i might be clearing him too easily, you are making me feel paranoid, but ...

he did sheep. which. hm.

if i try to justify my townread on wilgy im falling flat.

so lets say ... im just going with gut here. i cant provide solid logical argumetns for why wilgy is mega town

also to clarify im NOT softing a green on him
Yh, I'm fine with not voting Wilgy for today.

I don't wanna say anything more as I feel like I've already fucked up enough rn.
Just pulling some Camilla/Wilgy interactives.

I interpreted this as Tutuu having a green check on Wilgy. Which shows a lack of TMI rather than agenda.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:42 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:47 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:22 am Really curious as to who mafia chooses to shoot tonite.

Some tough decisions
Depends on if Wilgy's the RBer and if they found the doc or not. If they can stop the doc then it's most likely Alison being that she's basically the player who has had the strongest finger on the pulse on the game-state.

Like, I don't get why I'm being tinfoiled despite that the past two nightkills both had me as a very strong townread and that Zenon and I have a lot of mutual experience with each other.
You don’t get why you’re being tinfoiled?

You don’t really think that, do you? I mean, it’s not like you’ve been the beacon of towniness. I know why I’d be tinfoiled.

I mean, Zenon’s basically the person who had the most experience with me and she got NK’d while strongly TRing me and Tutuu also TR’d me so id you’re not going to take the reads of the dead into account then there’s nothing I can do.

I didn’t play d1 due to a mixture of work and chronic health issues so if the crux of this paranoia boils down to me not being able to play because of my body not allowing me to then why would I be bothered?

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:48 am
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:24 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:19 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:09 pm Jack/Scotty fits in better as teammates with Wilgy than Pyxxy. I don't think Pyxxy/Wilgy would spend the entire game trying to hellbus each other like this, tbh.

Most likely Jack as I liked Scotty's paranoia on me while Jack's push on me kind of just feels like he's piggy-backing on Roxy's paranoia than actually doing anything to move the game-state forward.
Lul

Classic wolf Jack tactic. Sheep paranoia of low end poster from two days ago.

Moving to a three player poe is moving the gamestate forward. You just don’t like where I’m moving it.
What about Alison/Scotty/Roxy?

There's been very little suspicion on me and you only started turning on me the moment the latter two started to do so.
Suspicion on them, as I meant the three ones. Why me over Scotty/Alison since we've basically been roughly in the same tier until Roxy/Scotty began tinfoiling me.
but I have had you as a tinfoil since D 1 it's just that no one looks at my posts until today. So it did -not- just begin --- it began 2 days (mafia days) ago.

I mean, you've consistently had tinfoil on me. Thing is this sudden shift on Wilgy/Jack's PoV on me basically coincided with how Zenon/Tutu died who were the people that were TR'ing me the strongest and Scotty started tinfoiling me.

Like, Wilgy/Jack barely mentioned me at all and I only became PoE when it became convenient as my defenders died.

I don't get how you/Scotty aren't exactly seeing how opportunistic both of these two's suspicion on me have been as none of those two voice these suspicions until today and it was basically just tunneling more LHF-y acceptable people like Falcon or Pyxxy.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:22 am Really curious as to who mafia chooses to shoot tonite.

Some tough decisions

Depends on if Wilgy's the RBer and if they found the doc or not. If they can stop the doc then it's most likely Alison being that she's basically the player who has had the strongest finger on the pulse on the game-state.

Like, I don't get why I'm being tinfoiled despite that the past two nightkills both had me as a very strong townread and that Zenon and I have a lot of mutual experience with each other.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:21 am At this point, while I appreciate the thunderdome, I’m still nervous about Wilgy.

But with both of you basically crossing off Wilgy on your grocery list and waiting at the checkout counter, Wilgy’s scum equity is almost guaranteed or else town is completely off their rocker

If Wilgy's a villager then the game-state's completely fucked up.

The wolves in this case would be Jack plus one of you or Pyxxy but your paranoia has felt villagery and Pyxxy has had some good spots despite gimmicking, and Pyxxy has had some non-W/Wish interactions with Jack.

It can technically be but with how Jack's playing this endgame I feel like it's just him and Wilgy.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:15 am Seriously, Wilgy's interactions with Pyxxy and Camilla are night and day (with his interactions with me being in the middle).

Camilla handwaves it without looking at it.

Her takes are motivated by where she wants yeets to go, not by evidence.

What?

I don't think Pyxxy's wolfing with Wilgy.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:09 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:51 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:15 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:42 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:51 am @DrWilgy @Roxy Can I hear you two's detailed thoughts on reads/solve/gamestate

I don't really know where your heads are at and id like to get a clearer read on you
There hasn't been much evolution. Falcon was a sleepwalk misyeet I think. Feel that Falcon should've been somewhat threadspewed.

There's one in Pyxxy/Scotty, probably just Pyxxy

There's one in Camilla/Roxy/Jack and that should be solved after we resolve the d1 tomfoolery.
Talk to me about "one in Pyxxy/Scotty." I get the Pyxxy case. I get that Scotty is somewhat antialigned with Pyxxy (and Falcon before he died). I get that there was a post or two from Scotty that were bad and Tutuu really suspected him.

Is that the whole thing? Is there more to it than that?

Cause Pyxxy/Scotty -> if necessary Scotty/Pyxxy is a super convenient yeet for me if there really is a wolf there. We get a second wolf. We have two wolves dead and lots of important eod and interactives to find the last wolf. I think we can win no matter who the third wolf is in that scenario.

But if there are zero wolves in Pyxxy and Scotty? We lose if we misyeet both.

If you're sure there's a wolf there, convince me there's for sure a wolf there.
So, like I'm pretty sure after the Falcon misyeet, we don't have the wiggle room to yeet Scotty. Scotty has had a very townie voice all game and I only reconsider that in a T Pyxxy world.

Re the dif check between them, it's because the Pyxxy CW to a wolf yeet was very real. I think it's hard for me to think that there weren't more wolves involved in the CW than just Porscha, especially due to Rondo voting off wagon was just town.

Further, d1 players that are still around
On CW or target of CW Scotty/Pyxxy
Off wagon Camilla/Prince
Potential bus Alison/Roxy

I do not feel comfortable assessing the off wagon nulls until we get another pelt Unless it's just you/Camilla, especially after being wrong on Rondo. I don't think Roxy or Alison are wolves.

Effectively my PoE is Pyxxy, you, Camilla.
Wilgy's interaction with Porscha is that he throws down a naked fourth vote on her and dips. Jokingly calls the vote scummy. Does not provide reasoning beforehand. It tells us very little about Wilgy's alignment tbh.

Wilgy's interaction with Pyxxy is overwhelmingly negative. He basically stakes the game on trying to get Pyxxy eliminated. Wilgy and Pyxxy are not packmates.

Wilgy's interactions with Camilla hardly exist. The first negative thing he says about her is in the above post, putting her in the final 3 player POE. Level 1 distancing. Forgot to read or address his partner all game.

It's Wilgy/Camilla.

Somebody else can do Wilgy/Prince Jack. It's different from Wilgy/Camilla but I don't feel the need to evaluate Wilgy's interactions with my slot wrt looking for partnering because I know we aren't partners. @Scotty and @Alison should, though.

Wilgy basically had very little interactions with most of the players here aside from Pyxxy, but at least I'm voting him.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:05 am
Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:59 am Y'know what?

I'm pretty much settled on the Jack/Wilgy world atp.

Jack's basically spending much of his time trying to tie me to Wilgy without giving much attention to the possibility that Pyxxy is a wolf or little paranoia outside of this PoE in a fairly transparent attempt that he knows that once Wilgy flips that the main mountain separating the wolves from winning is that I'll basically go the full Amrock to elim him.

This is basically textbook endgame wolf play to seal the game.
It makes sense too- this perspective. Because Jack wasn’t exactly gunning for Wilgy, and once the tides had changed to that as the possible yeet, he’s keeping options open.

But a wrinkle- he has just reasoned out that the team is just Wilgy/you. Not a lot of wiggle room. What happens when we yeet w!Wilgy and then t!you?
(Ignoring doc atm) After Wilgy, it’ll be 4v1. Miselim on you leads to f3. How does jack win in that scenario?

Because in a Pyxxy/Jack/You or Roxy endgame it's basically extremely easy for a wolf with WiM, which is basically the archetype that Jack is, to shift the elim on Pyxxy.

The guy nearly got chopped d1 and he's kind of been in the PoE and would've died if it was for Alison shielding him. Once Alison's dead he's basically easy pickings.

Much of Jack's recent posts are pretty much this (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost3350537) being that it's just basically a dissertation to dunk on a villager rather than trying to find an airtight solve to the case being that he's basically given very little attention to Wilgy/Pyxxy when compared to me and his endgoal is basically persuasion rather than fact-finding.

I had doubts on this solve earlier on but after this, yh.

Y'know what?

I'm pretty much settled on the Jack/Wilgy world atp.

Jack's basically spending much of his time trying to tie me to Wilgy without giving much attention to the possibility that Pyxxy is a wolf or little paranoia outside of this PoE in a fairly transparent attempt that he knows that once Wilgy flips that the main mountain separating the wolves from winning is that I'll basically go the full Amrock to elim him.

This is basically textbook endgame wolf play to seal the game.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:33 am I have liked jack's recent solving. Feels thoughtful even if i dont agree with all of it, and forcibly taking roxy and scotty out of his POE would make his life hard and commit him to a very narrow worldview as mafia.

In a W!Jack world then it doesn't really mean much.

If he's W then he needs two MLs and even if his teammate is in Wilgy/Pyxxy then he just needs to mislynch the villager there then take Scotty/Roxy to the F3 with me for the win.

He doesn't even need to re-open the PoE for a win.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:45 pm If pyxxy is partners with Wilgy, I scratch my head at how Wilgy firmly was in the camp of falcon good, pyxxy bad. I mean, it could just be that falcon was going over regardless so it was just firm-sounding words.

But then he comes into today basically with ‘we need to resolve pyxxy/Scotty, and I think Scotty is good’

Like, what kind of strategy is that from your partner? It’s a bit less believable to me

Yeah, yikes, I think I’m coming around on an angle where I can easily see Wilgy having an agenda, and I’m not as sure with his partner being pyxxy.

[VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

I kind of don't think that D3's vote actually means much in the long run since on D3 it was pretty much guaranteed that falcon would've gone over.

Wilgy's posts today have been odd but he also hasn't really tried to push Pyxxy at all as I don't remember him casing or putting a vote on them.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:42 pm Now what if pyxxy is good? And let’s go with wilgy as bad.

Why does a bad Wilgy vote for his partner in D1? He had no reads before voting; so he could have easily gone for pyxxy to break the tie.

Two thoughts:
1) he assumed that pyxxy would self preserve and Porscha was going over anyway, so he went for cred
2) Porscha had gotten her pink slip at that point and was in full anti spew, so she told her partner to do his thing for cred

Both could be possible.

The placement of his vote is not as steadfast towny as previously believed

Wasn't the main wagons Pyxxy/Porscha when Wilgy voted? If Pyxxy is a wolf then it kind of doesn't really matter who voted then aside from interactions as in those wagons a wolf would always go over.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:30 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:24 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:19 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:09 pm Jack/Scotty fits in better as teammates with Wilgy than Pyxxy. I don't think Pyxxy/Wilgy would spend the entire game trying to hellbus each other like this, tbh.

Most likely Jack as I liked Scotty's paranoia on me while Jack's push on me kind of just feels like he's piggy-backing on Roxy's paranoia than actually doing anything to move the game-state forward.
Lul

Classic wolf Jack tactic. Sheep paranoia of low end poster from two days ago.

Moving to a three player poe is moving the gamestate forward. You just don’t like where I’m moving it.
What about Alison/Scotty/Roxy?

There's been very little suspicion on me and you only started turning on me the moment the latter two started to do so.
Suspicion on them, as I meant the three ones. Why me over Scotty/Alison since we've basically been roughly in the same tier until Roxy/Scotty began tinfoiling me.
It’s not about tiers. It’s about Scotty and Alison doing things I expect Scotty and Alison to do as townies and of the three of you, you’ve got the wolfiest reactions, specifically towards Roxy when contrasted with Alison and Scotty and towards me when contrasted with Alison.

I want you to go deeper here.

If Scotty/Alison were wolves then how would you really expect them to act?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:27 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:19 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:09 pm Jack/Scotty fits in better as teammates with Wilgy than Pyxxy. I don't think Pyxxy/Wilgy would spend the entire game trying to hellbus each other like this, tbh.

Most likely Jack as I liked Scotty's paranoia on me while Jack's push on me kind of just feels like he's piggy-backing on Roxy's paranoia than actually doing anything to move the game-state forward.
Lul

Classic wolf Jack tactic. Sheep paranoia of low end poster from two days ago.

Moving to a three player poe is moving the gamestate forward. You just don’t like where I’m moving it.
What about Alison/Scotty/Roxy?

There's been very little suspicion on me and you only started turning on me the moment the latter two started to do so.
Town/ProbablyTown/Town

I just like fifty posted in a row and you’re accusing me of sheeping the reads others? There’s no others around…

I meant that you only became suspicious of me after the threadstate put me in the PoE such as with Scotty and Roxy being paranoid of me.

Not something that exclusively comes from wolves but yeah.

Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:19 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:09 pm Jack/Scotty fits in better as teammates with Wilgy than Pyxxy. I don't think Pyxxy/Wilgy would spend the entire game trying to hellbus each other like this, tbh.

Most likely Jack as I liked Scotty's paranoia on me while Jack's push on me kind of just feels like he's piggy-backing on Roxy's paranoia than actually doing anything to move the game-state forward.
Lul

Classic wolf Jack tactic. Sheep paranoia of low end poster from two days ago.

Moving to a three player poe is moving the gamestate forward. You just don’t like where I’m moving it.
What about Alison/Scotty/Roxy?

There's been very little suspicion on me and you only started turning on me the moment the latter two started to do so.

Suspicion on them, as I meant the three ones. Why me over Scotty/Alison since we've basically been roughly in the same tier until Roxy/Scotty began tinfoiling me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:19 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:09 pm Jack/Scotty fits in better as teammates with Wilgy than Pyxxy. I don't think Pyxxy/Wilgy would spend the entire game trying to hellbus each other like this, tbh.

Most likely Jack as I liked Scotty's paranoia on me while Jack's push on me kind of just feels like he's piggy-backing on Roxy's paranoia than actually doing anything to move the game-state forward.
Lul

Classic wolf Jack tactic. Sheep paranoia of low end poster from two days ago.

Moving to a three player poe is moving the gamestate forward. You just don’t like where I’m moving it.

What about Alison/Scotty/Roxy?

There's been very little suspicion on me and you only started turning on me the moment the latter two started to do so.

Jack/Scotty fits in better as teammates with Wilgy than Pyxxy. I don't think Pyxxy/Wilgy would spend the entire game trying to hellbus each other like this, tbh.

Most likely Jack as I liked Scotty's paranoia on me while Jack's push on me kind of just feels like he's piggy-backing on Roxy's paranoia than actually doing anything to move the game-state forward.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:54 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:53 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:49 pm My current solve is Wilgy and Camilla. But that’s like a fancy pants threadstate+poe read. Pyxxy is still a possibility but I kinda think that if the wolf team is dead Porscha and non impactful Wilgy, like at what point does Pyxxy drop the gd gimmick? Probably earlier. I know this is easy to fake but still.
...didn't your previous solve include Pyxxy?

What happened with it?
You’re quoting it.

Who's more likely?

Which team fits better? Me/Pyxxy, Me/Wilgy, or Wilgy/Pyxxy?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:49 pm My current solve is Wilgy and Camilla. But that’s like a fancy pants threadstate+poe read. Pyxxy is still a possibility but I kinda think that if the wolf team is dead Porscha and non impactful Wilgy, like at what point does Pyxxy drop the gd gimmick? Probably earlier. I know this is easy to fake but still.

...didn't your previous solve include Pyxxy?

What happened with it?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:12 pm Why can’t ya’ll just only vote for wolves like me?

You also voted for Falcon.

I just don't see the point here being that everyone except Alison/Wigly/Roxy here has not voted a flipped wolf by the EoD, and I have both Alison/Roxy as my strongest V-reads.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:57 pm Camilla, Scotty, Rondo, Tutuu, Alison all go after Roxy D2 for unstated or bad reasons. Golden Sun is not even a jrpg.

I don't get why you're pointing this out?

Their D1 was fairly lukewarm and their sudden late vote on Porscha had very little follow-up but when they towned up d2 everyone went off them.

I don't see how having wrong reads is wolf-indicative this match being that we ML'd both d2 where we had V/V wagons and d3 where we had an unanimous V wagon.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:51 pm Roxy: Day one reads are all bullshit
Also Roxy: Nobody vote for Prince Jack D1 cause that’s rude.

I know it’s not me/Roxy. Probably nothing indicative (by Roxy’s own words) but gah, I want to be pocketed by a player who commits to doing nothing strategically D1 but defending my slot.

I think it's more non-W/W indicative than nothing.

It's basically putting a spotlight on yourself if your 0-posting wolfbud gets chopped and that's pretty much suicide for someone that has TMI.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:21 pm roxy has not been in thread much but has been reasonably townie when shes popped in

self defense posts d2 and the post about refusing to sit in a car as it goes over a cliff felt authentic to me

But i have to poe her as nothing she has wrote is truly unfakeable and she has nothing going for her besides sounding authentic

I still think that her paranoia on me feels more villagery than not.

She was being townread so it's kind of nonsensical for her to try to put me in the PoE as if she's a wolf then Wilgy/Pyxxy/Jack/Maybe Scotty would all easily go over her and there's no point in tinfoiling me like that.

In a game-state like this I feel like the more paranoid-y people are probably just villagers.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:12 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:47 pm Forgot vote count isn’t necessarily in order. I don’t even see where Porscha voted in her iso.
Based on this, I’m rejecting Camilla’s assertion that Pyxxy is never the wolf PR. Which is kinda funny because Camilla also insists that if Pyxxy flips vanilla wolf, I must be the wolf PR wowee.
dont think this is partnered with camilla

the people that randomly created sus on her when she was viewed as locktown (scotty/roxy) are probs not partnered either

think a camilla/pyxxy team would hard bury scotty over anyone else

ergo camilla can only be with wilgy if scum...

@Camilla vote wilgy to confirm yourself town. i know you dont have the balls to do it if you are his partner
I used to try this but it never works. Wolves feel comfortable calling this bluff and also just saying no. Townies will just vote for who they want under the idea that they’re town and they’ll be “confirmed” by voting who they were gonna vote anyhow or they won’t feel the need to not vote their scumread just for some dubious proof of townieness.
Seeing whether camilla stays or switches off the wilgy vote is informative imo.

if camilla switches then as you said could be town. but if she sticks and wilgy flips red shes 100% inno town.

Giving her the opportunity to do that is valuable in my eyes. If she switches to vote eg. you at eod then well... she was gonna do that anyway if i didnt ask her to vote wilgy, so its not like we lost anything

I personally feel like this reaction test would work better close to the EoD as I still have ~24 hours to swap my vote, but eh.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:12 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:11 pm @Alison

If he's a wolf then who do you think is his most likely partner?

So far pretty much everyone has been TRing him or giving him a pass which basically mean that if he's W then pretty much none of the PoE is cleared.
probs not scotty/pyxxy given his eagerness to force there today

Probably just roxy or jack

Jack maybe.

I feel like Roxy's reaction to my push d2 was good but she's basically been falling hard since then, so yeah.

@Alison

If he's a wolf then who do you think is his most likely partner?

So far pretty much everyone has been TRing him or giving him a pass which basically mean that if he's W then pretty much none of the PoE is cleared.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:47 pm Forgot vote count isn’t necessarily in order. I don’t even see where Porscha voted in her iso.
Based on this, I’m rejecting Camilla’s assertion that Pyxxy is never the wolf PR. Which is kinda funny because Camilla also insists that if Pyxxy flips vanilla wolf, I must be the wolf PR wowee.
dont think this is partnered with camilla

the people that randomly created sus on her when she was viewed as locktown (scotty/roxy) are probs not partnered either

think a camilla/pyxxy team would hard bury scotty over anyone else

ergo camilla can only be with wilgy if scum...

@Camilla vote wilgy to confirm yourself town. i know you dont have the balls to do it if you are his partner

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Shrug

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:58 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:55 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:47 pm Forgot vote count isn’t necessarily in order. I don’t even see where Porscha voted in her iso.
Based on this, I’m rejecting Camilla’s assertion that Pyxxy is never the wolf PR. Which is kinda funny because Camilla also insists that if Pyxxy flips vanilla wolf, I must be the wolf PR wowee.
If Pyxxy is the wolf PR somehow and Porscha decided to park her vote on a PR then I'd probably go to Wilgy and give Roxy a second look, tbh.

Would basically mean that the d1 Porscha cred was worthless and in fact voting off the d1 wolf elim would've actually been wolf-AI.
You understand what I’m saying though?

Like there’s a difference between Porscha voting the wolf PR at eod and making it likely they go over instead of you and parking a halfhearted vore early, ducking, and then that wagon takes off, putting the wolf PR in danger without Porscha’s contribution.

You’re treating it like it’s for sure that first scenario so that probably isn’t what happened. I’m asking if you’re sure it wasn’t the second.

I don't think I can be too sure on this, though?

Placing a final vote on a wolf PR d1 is something that I'd never do as wolf, thing is I don't know if Porscha would do this but I'm basically assuming that they're at least half-decent at wolfing and wouldn't pull such a throwy move like this.

But yeah, I still don't get where exactly your head's at. Irrespective of Pyxxy's role then who are the likely partners with him?

If Jack's somehow town then I feel like the game's as simple enough as Pyxxy/Wilgy but we've basically tried the simple answers in Falcon/Rondo so yeah.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:47 pm Forgot vote count isn’t necessarily in order. I don’t even see where Porscha voted in her iso.
Based on this, I’m rejecting Camilla’s assertion that Pyxxy is never the wolf PR. Which is kinda funny because Camilla also insists that if Pyxxy flips vanilla wolf, I must be the wolf PR wowee.

If Pyxxy is the wolf PR somehow and Porscha decided to park her vote on a PR then I'd probably go to Wilgy and give Roxy a second look, tbh.

Would basically mean that the d1 Porscha cred was worthless and in fact voting off the d1 wolf elim would've actually been wolf-AI.

Syn wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 5:12 pm day 1 vote tally

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This was how the wagons looked like at EoD.

Falco/Rondo were off-wagon and were both villagers.
J/I were not voting due to IRL.

Alison/Seanzie/Roxy/Wilgy were initially on Porscha

Scotty/Porscha/Tutu/Zenon were initially on Pyxxy

Pyxxy at the EoD self-pres'd onto Porscha.

In short, if Pyxxy is the RB'er then Porscha put him very close to elimination which I don't think that she'd do it with the RB'er.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:37 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:34 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:29 pm If Pyxxy is a wolf, we're talking dueling wolf wagons at 5 and 4 votes with the wolves in question crossvoting.

I'd expect the third wolf to either be an early static vote on one of those wagons (not wanting to seem to be dynamically trying to save whoever doesn't go over, hence being static), a key last second vote (same reasoning as above so assures that the player they're voting for is yeeted) or off wagon. Idk if those people exist besides myself and Camilla in group 3.

If Pyxxy is the power role, though, that changes the calculus. Wolves aren't just trying to not look bad but are trying to yeet Porscha over Pyxxy.

See? Game is ez if we yeet wolf Pyxxy. Significant if.
If Pyxxy is a wolf then either you're a wolf with them or the last wolf voted in the cross being that the two people that were offwagon and voted were both town.

If he's an RB'er in that scenario then the last wolf would always go on Porscha but I doubt that he is one being that Porscha was trying to push him.
Was she thought? Porscha was pretty unserious from my read.

She did cast a vote on Pyxxy. Wolves usually don't cast a vote on their PRs then bail like this unless they were going for serious antispew.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:29 pm If Pyxxy is a wolf, we're talking dueling wolf wagons at 5 and 4 votes with the wolves in question crossvoting.

I'd expect the third wolf to either be an early static vote on one of those wagons (not wanting to seem to be dynamically trying to save whoever doesn't go over, hence being static), a key last second vote (same reasoning as above so assures that the player they're voting for is yeeted) or off wagon. Idk if those people exist besides myself and Camilla in group 3.

If Pyxxy is the power role, though, that changes the calculus. Wolves aren't just trying to not look bad but are trying to yeet Porscha over Pyxxy.

See? Game is ez if we yeet wolf Pyxxy. Significant if.

If Pyxxy is a wolf then either you're a wolf with them or the last wolf voted in the cross being that the two people that were offwagon and voted were both town.

If he's an RB'er in that scenario then the last wolf would always go on Porscha but I doubt that he is one being that Porscha was trying to push him.

Camilla
Alison
Roxy
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Wilgy
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Scotty
Pyxxy
Jack

Think this should roughly be where I'm at.

Maybe put Scotty in the same tier as Wilgy as d3 was pretty much a lazy day where we sleepwalked into a mislynch so it's not like they'd need to go full tinfoil when it would've been an easy day overall for a wolf to post.

[VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:34 pm I would like to sort Prince J aka Jack.

And go from there. Probs to Camilla.

Yep I am believing they are it.

I mean, I was the main person pushing for a J chop d2 when everyone was obsessed over the dumb T/T wagons in Falcon/Rondo as Falcon/Rondo actually had some towny pings from them while J was bleh.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:55 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:50 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:48 pm
Porscha: Alison, Seanzie, Roxy, Pyxxy, Wilgy
Pyxxy: Scotty, Porscha, Zenon, Tutuu
Scotty: Rondo
Tutuu: Falcon
Missing: Camilla, Prince J

Falcon: Alison, Tutuu, Pyxxy, Rondo
Rondo: Scotty, Wilgy, Falcon, Camilla, Zenon
Tutuu: Roxy
Missing: Prince J

Falcon: Tutuu, Alison, Scotty, Jack, Pyxxy, Camilla
Pyxxy: DrWilgy, Falcon
D1 Pyxxy/Scotty needs to be resolved. That wagon isn't pure, from there we can sort between Rondo/Falcon wagons D2.

[VOTE: Pyxxy] aubergine
.......nah.......

.......I reject..............today being..............me vs scotty.......

..............that's.......a.......lazy solve..............given..............who.......we've wagoned.......

.......you're.......parroting..............Prince Jack's.......entrance + summary..............and.......I'm..............surprised.......you.......didn't.......note.......as.......such.......
Do you disagree with arguing to solve the shitty wagons? Again, you not wanting to solve Scotty is still baffling to me and makes me think you are only trying to extend your own lifespan by buddying up to them.

@pyxxy

I'm agreeing with Wilgy's line of thinking

If you're town then the Mafia's likely just two of Jack/Wilgy/Scotty. There can't just be one single wolf left so who do you think is the wolf team rn?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:42 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:51 am @DrWilgy @Roxy Can I hear you two's detailed thoughts on reads/solve/gamestate

I don't really know where your heads are at and id like to get a clearer read on you
There hasn't been much evolution. Falcon was a sleepwalk misyeet I think. Feel that Falcon should've been somewhat threadspewed.

There's one in Pyxxy/Scotty, probably just Pyxxy

There's one in Camilla/Roxy/Jack and that should be solved after we resolve the d1 tomfoolery.

Why exactly can't it be Pyxxy/Scotty?

I think Pyxxy/Jack is the simplest world but with Falcon/Rondo both villagers it shows that we're not living in the easy world anymore.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:55 am i assume that syn comment means no (the sound a horse makes is neigh) to double targeting

ergo three possibilities
1) doc healed tutuu n2 and couldnt heal her n3. unlucky
2) doc tried to reverse psychology not heal tutuu n3 so if the mafia doc dodges they heal her n4 and save her. unlucky
3) doc was blocked and mafia know who they are.

doc will know which scenario it is. If its 1 or 2 they should stay hidden. If its 3 then they should reveal if they are in the POE and stay hidden if they are not (they arent gonna die anyway so better to stay hidden and make the mafia not know if its 1/2 or 3)

I personally wouldn't call for the doc to out unless they're in Pyxxy/Jack/Maybe Wilgy as if we do miss today and they end up getting CC'ed in XyLo then it'd be messy, but yeah.

If Falcon's a wolf then I'd probably wouldn't do Pyxxy tomorrow since Pyxxy had the chance to kill Rondo over him but chosen not to do so.

@tutuu

If I die tonight then I wouldn't consider Scotty until the F3 over Porscha's TR and his paranoia today.

I think the Falcon chop has already been pre-determined so with him dead I'd look at Pyxxy/Jack and then maybe re-eval Wilgy/Roxxy.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 1:44 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 4:47 am i think scotty is like the only person I tl right now he feels so pure and fluffy
I feel like Porscha doesn’t use her first (only?) read to say a partner is pure and fluffy but that’s kinda a guess.

Usually wolves don't make their first reads being a generic townread on a partner and I've liked Scotty's paranoia so I think this is a slot I'd only kill in XyLo, tbh.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 1:39 pm For all that falcon was yelling abt solving with the assumption hes green i dont see him doing much solving himself shrug

Hard not to see him as mafia in anti spew

Eh, I'm kind of hesitant as I don't usually see this "solve in a world where I'm town" thing coming from a wolf as I'd expect him to just clam up.

Thing is it's kind of pointlessly self-sacrificial shit where he could just push his reads if he's town without worrying about anti-spew, so yeah.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 1:27 pm I don’t even really think Scotty is a difference check with Falcon. I’ve been burned by hellbussing and there’s nothing that says they both can’t be town besides like…gamestate where I think Tutuu, Alison, Camilla are all town and I know I’m town makes it less likely than a random 2 person pairing in a more open game.

And the Pyxxy/Scotty difference check was me misremembering how the previous night’s conversation went first thing in the morning.

I agree with the strategy that you yeet one of a difference check if it exists but I think they rarely exist and I’m not sure I’m looking at one here.

Mostly just antsy with how easy Falcon is gonna go over.

I kind of don't think the lack of resistance on Falcon's that AI.

He's been fairly underwhelming and was the CW to a town mischop and me/Alison/Tutu were all dead-set on him dying today so I feel like his partner would always hellbuss him if he's W.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 12:44 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 12:26 pm What’s the consensus on Roxy? I’m not seeing her thrown around as a potential wolf and I’m not seeing anyone insist she’s town.

Wilgy is at a similar spot but I do see a couple people proclaiming townreads there.
I think Roxy has exhibited some pushback that associate with her towngame, and just check out Wilgy’s iso (it’s not long), especially his behavior around the D1 yeet. That makes a good case for me anyway of his towniness

I have concerns that Roxy kind of just started chilling after we townread them, but eh.

At least they started chilling after they had several townie moments lol.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 5:20 pm It's a poll

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@tutuu

On reread I kind would like to chop Jack over Pyxxy if Falcon's W on re-read. Especially if Falcon's the RB'er.

If the team's Falcon/Pyxxy/Porscha then it means that Pyxxy decided to bus his second teammate after a d1 wolf kill and while playing in an extremely lethargic way and while the cop is still alive. Not really something I think is likely.

I know Tutuu will hate me but I feel like Scotty's posts were villagery irt the threadstate.

Today would be a fairly easy day for a wolf to post since it just feels like we're just sleepwalking into a Falcon lynch so for him to tinfoil loud voices like me/Alison today doesn't really feel like it's what a wolf would do.

I just don't see the logic to do this and it kind of feels more like villager paranoia.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:23 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:18 pm You're right that camilla has no original takes but does she need to?

she sits there and goes ok i think falcon is scum. well half the game thinks what. What do you expect her to do, cook up a case on tutuu?
No, but that is the definition of blendy, is it not?

Maybe falcon is scum, and we can revisit this tomorrow, but I think it silly to not even visit the possibility of why we townread her

I mean, yeah?

But I don't think this is that AI in the current game-state which is why I also disagree on Alison's read on Jack/Falcon.

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