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Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:51 pm Why radishes?

There have been a few occasions where he feels too eager to vote for people.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:51 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:51 pm I read everything anyway.

God bless you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:46 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:44 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:32 pm No I don't what? Have to read two big ass posts or care?

Either one. But I was referring to reading the posts. It’s supplementary material, no one’s being graded on it.

I'll do it tomorrow. I'm tired.

But...

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:44 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:32 pm No I don't what? Have to read two big ass posts or care?

Either one. But I was referring to reading the posts. It’s supplementary material, no one’s being graded on it.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:31 pm Then don't read them, that's what I did

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:29 pm he's also tryna position himself to vote me which is also... kinda... bad...

speed's name's been thrown around as a suspicion all game though. i'm not married to the idea, but i'm coming around to him being a hit

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:28 pm speed's only notable contribution d1 was a turnip head read

when he comes back and tries to throw reads, he didn't note turnip head

bad.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:12 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:05 pmHi.

could u pls drop some thoughts

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:21 am Nutella scum

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:24 pm I basically have to clear myself because I was a counterwagon to flipped town

problem with that is that i have to push a scum and i don't have a fucking idea who that is right now

i'm deleting my entire ISO and starting from scratch, I'm re-reading and then coming up with my reads and shit

nothing that I posted before this matters k

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:30 pm i acknowledge mac's read on funnygurl. Her stance on ted makes more sense if she is town than if she is mafia.

Now having said that, Dragomir should be the most obvious civilian in this thread right now.

Would appreciate you making some effort to explain this

Look at what he's doing. He just threw up his hands and said "forget this!" and decided to go back to the beginning and start from scratch. I don't think that's how I'd handle the situation, but there's no way a member of any mafia team anywhere decides to do that. Drago hit the reset button for himself and he's following through with it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:03 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:08 pm [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Turnip Head is town.

Explain your thought process on why TH is town now? I liked your point about him watching and commenting and sitting on a dead wagon. (It may have only been 1 vote off, but it had no momentum.)

He's not lying about having a town read on leetic, and the response of telling me to shove my vote up my ass looked authentic.

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:50 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:28 am That's a bad assumption.

In this setup:

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So you are saying that a player who flipped PR in a game, with the potential to be role madness, was unlikely to have softed or slipped PR? Get out of here.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:01 am leetic [4]: Sloonei, Master Radishes, tedxtr, TonyStarkPrime
Long Con [4]: Funnygurl, Long Con, MacDougall, ts account
tedxtr [3]: Epignosis, leetic, Turnip Head
Turnip Head [1]: speedchuck
Abstaining [1]: Dragomir

One thought that comes to mind is that players who did not express confident reasons for their votes might be worth looking into. Those of us who were firmly committed to our respective cases (ts account, ted and leetic respectively) have every reason to remain in place as the deadline approaches and this tight poll persists. We all think we're making the right decision. But players who weren't firmly committed to their votes but remained in place despite being active at the deadline are suspect for remaining in place.
Funnygurl, Master Radishes, Tony, and Turnip Head stand out. I have not looked back to refresh myself on who was or was not here at the time, so maybe some of these would be absolved of this particular crime. I'm pretty sure I remember funnygurl being present, at aleast.

Epi was pretty firm on ted, so I'm not eyeing him in this instance, but he's suspicious for other reasons. I'm pretty sure speedchuck was absent. He's also suspicious for other reasons.

Nah the guy had no reason to be on me

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tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:35 am [VOTE: Epignosis ] aubergine

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:28 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:56 pm Its gonna be hard for me to participate in these remaining hours. I'm quite busy right now so EoD activity is a no go from my side.

My reads right now still have LC as scum but it's not as strong as before. Leetic has creeped up in my scum reads, but it's not very strong either. My reasons don't felt good enough to support a vote on him and I have had a couple mindmelds with him. His defense against my recent accusations were just as well.

Speedchuck is probably my strongest scum read atm doubt that's not saying much as it's still kinda weak, just barely above the other two. I don't think I'll be voting anybody for this phase.

My town reads, on the other hand, are quite strong. max, Sloonei, and FG are the highest; all three equal with each other. Turnip Head, TS, Ted, and Epi follow behind.

Radish and TSP are my remaining null reads.

Here is dragomir's last will. It is not much to go on, since they only had one real scum read that was shared by many other players to begin with. I will assume that Dragomir softed or slipped PR somewhere, as that would be a better reason to kill drago over another person with drago's scum reads.

Sloonei: Have you found that post wherein ted defends macdougall as a partner with a wallpost?

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ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:58 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:54 am

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 am I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.

I'm not looking for a team of three I think I found a team of three

I am trying to see how you can come up with this scum team but I do not see it. As the person most familiar with funnygurl in this game, why would I warn everyone of her incredibly dynamic wolf game? I could simply say her wolf game is obvious and that she slanks hard as a wolf- the fact that she is here at all guarantees she is town, and then rely on my own aggressive personality to shut down dissent. That does not work. Furthermore, ted posted a massive wall town casing me seemingly with the intent to make sloonei shut up. I do not believe that is partnery behavior either, as it requires a lot of effort and insight on ted's behalf, more than is required to defend a partner. I think they are just town.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:58 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:56 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:55 am And yes if we lynch someone it should be on their own merits and not on any unproven teammate connections of course

Vote for someone.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:56 am Everybody vote for somebody!

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:40 am I have made a Team Aqua Grunt outfit and Trainer Red outfit in Animal Crossing, and they look pretty good, if I do say so myself. Does anyone have recommendations?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:27 am think about it: if you had a team and you had a pretty good shot of lasting the phase BUT YOU VOTED YOURSELF how would your team feel?

idk man there'd be rage, RAGE. wolves have more of a responsibility to live.

ok yeah i guess wolves could self vote at eod like that but if you do that then you're just bad. and like i don't like to call ppl bad, but like if you do that as a wolf then you deserve it

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:21 am Feels like LC knew he would survive, or else why do that? The lynch was almost over

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:07 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:53 pm This kind of defeatism always ends in a civilian lynch

[VOTE: turnip head] aubergine for letting defeated civilian Long Con teeter on the edge while sitting on a lame ted wagon.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:01 am leetic [4]: Sloonei, Master Radishes, tedxtr, TonyStarkPrime
Long Con [4]: Funnygurl, Long Con, MacDougall, ts account
tedxtr [3]: Epignosis, leetic, Turnip Head
Turnip Head [1]: speedchuck
Abstaining [1]: Dragomir

One thought that comes to mind is that players who did not express confident reasons for their votes might be worth looking into. Those of us who were firmly committed to our respective cases (ts account, ted and leetic respectively) have every reason to remain in place as the deadline approaches and this tight poll persists. We all think we're making the right decision. But players who weren't firmly committed to their votes but remained in place despite being active at the deadline are suspect for remaining in place.
Funnygurl, Master Radishes, Tony, and Turnip Head stand out. I have not looked back to refresh myself on who was or was not here at the time, so maybe some of these would be absolved of this particular crime. I'm pretty sure I remember funnygurl being present, at aleast.

Epi was pretty firm on ted, so I'm not eyeing him in this instance, but he's suspicious for other reasons. I'm pretty sure speedchuck was absent. He's also suspicious for other reasons.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:46 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:37 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:33 pm Long Con was the competing wagon to leetic. They ended up tied. Nobody sprang to save him. What does this mean? I can go either way on it.

What do you think it means?

Listen punk, I'm the one who asks questions here!

I am of two minds.
Scenario 1) The mafia team had no preference over who was lynched and was content to let two civilians face the coin flip of destiny. I've never seen a tie where things were so stagnant. Long Con's self-vote made it 4 to 4 several minutes ahead of the deadline, and then nobody else moved. Lots of people were around, but the leetic camp was entrenched on leetic, and the LC camp was entrenched on LC (and the TH/non-committed camp was farting around like losers). Mafia members have no reason to stick their necks out to determine one lynch or another when either one will do just fine.

Scenario 2) Long Con is mafia. This one comes with a couple other variables, none of which I'd bank on.

• 2.1) Long Con is mafia, his self-vote put his partners in a very awkward position wherein they need to leap to save him. Long Con is an experienced and adept mafia player. He knows better than to do that to his partners.

• 2.2) Long Con is mafia, but his team possesses some sort of mechanic which would have prevented him from being lynched yesterday (maybe they control a tiebreaker, maybe they have a member with a vote addition/subtraction power, etc.). This is baseless speculation. I cannot assert it with any confidence.

Scenario 3, I guess, is that no mafia members were present at the end of the day with the potential exception of Long Con. Why he'd endanger himself like that, I cannot say.

I have more confidence in scenario 1 than anything else.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:24 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:09 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:07 pm I refuse to vote for anybody that I'm not confident in. Y'all just gotta deal with that right now.

If I did that I'd never vote anyone.

That's cool bro.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:14 pm I think funnygurl has too much town cred compared to her contributions. I can tone-read her as town but I wouldn't bet the farm on it. Her defense of tedextr doesn't come across as completely genuine to me, either

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:01 pm We’re close enough to the deadline now that we can start positioning ourselves for a hammer.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:51 pmYes

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:21 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:20 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:17 pm ^^And as I post he does that.

Seems a bit...out of nowhere. But surely, Epi, you didn't succumb to a bit of heat from me and Sloonei, and something else entirely prompted you to dig back into LC's ISO there?

It isn't. I meant to post that yesterday. I have about fourteen tabs open up there.

How many are porn?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:17 pm ^^And as I post he does that.

Seems a bit...out of nowhere. But surely, Epi, you didn't succumb to a bit of heat from me and Sloonei, and something else entirely prompted you to dig back into LC's ISO there?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:04 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:50 pm Epi is on my shortlist, but with no associative reads to go off of I can’t envision drumming up enough support to get him lynched today.

We can talk about him anyway. Of all my Master teammates, he looks the most similar to the previous version of himself.

If I wanted to make myself look different, I could. I don't understand why you're putting so much stock in that.

You look and sound very much like you did when we were teammates, and I don't think you're mafia. Why is that?

I believe you could, yes. I’m not taking this to the bank. But I’ve seen nothing that sparks a town read from you.

I don’t know why you think most things because you are obfuscating most of the reads you suggest behind cryptic statements like this.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:50 pm Epi is on my shortlist, but with no associative reads to go off of I can’t envision drumming up enough support to get him lynched today.

We can talk about him anyway. Of all my Master teammates, he looks the most similar to the previous version of himself.