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You're right. I'll go to Long Con privately and spare your feelings.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:15 am I take pride in playing this game well and felt like this win was very hard earned. You are taking that feeling away. Of course I am going to be pissed off about that.
Your role wasn't invincible. I never said that, so please don't put words in my mouth.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:14 am Saying the role I had was invincible makes me feel like all of the effort I put in was worthless and there is nothing worse than being made to feel like your effort is not valued.
I'm not shitting on your win.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:06 amI don't mean to sound like I am complaining about my circumstances. I am not saying that I had it more difficult than others. I am telling you from the person sitting in this role seat that it was not as easy as you dreamed of it being. Especially after having to navigate being literally a revealed Mafia for several phases when there were easily more than enough people to lynch me. The game mechanics caused that outcome btw. Not just your whim. The game literally handed you that information. There were many mechanics built into this game to deal with the strength of our faction.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:56 amYou don't have to feel overpowered for your role to be overpowered.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:50 am I am only engaging in this debate because I was literally in this role and at no point until the end game did I ever feel overpowered.
It was overpowered.
I outed you and your entire team...and you still won. In a game (Mafia) in which the entire point is to figure out who is bad, someone comes in and say who half the bad guys are, and they win...how do you not have an overpowered role?
I personally didn't like my role. I hated being The Darkness, and then I kept changing win conditions (You want to complain about having no win condition? I had no win condition. Mine kept changing every two fucking phases). Then I got stuck latched on to winning with the civilians who had no chance because there weren't enough to lynch you at any point, AND (!) I had to be dead, which further meant I couldn't win.
There was no universe in which I could win. None. Zero. If the author would like to paint one, I'm willing to listen, but I had zero chance from the beginning.
So don't complain about your circumstances just because you felt you had to work to win. At least you had a chance to work.
This is quite mean dude. If you can't see how what you are saying is mean spirited and rude to me perhaps you should just take it as given from the person on the receiving end of it and rethink how you are raising these concerns of yours. As soon as the game ended you started shitting on the victory, didn't even give us a chance to be happy about winning what was an extremely challenging game before you rained on the parade. That's not nice at all. Perhaps rather than shitting all over it publicly you could have addressed these concerns with Long Con more constructively.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:58 amIt may not have been easy for you.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:51 amI just don't agree with, nor appreciate the idea that this game was easy for me lol.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:50 amAll of which civilians had to deal with too.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:48 am Every single day there was random map movements, night actions, kills, vote manipulation, day actions, items, portals, night polls that create cataclysms, interactive dungeon master host bullshit. Of course there are an insane amount of potential scenarios.
Civilians were fucked.
It was easy for your role.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:27 amI personally don't mind that outcome.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:26 am I mean I wasn't gonna win anyway, pushing Mac across the finish line was the least I could do.
I think the setup needed some play testing.
The big letters is what I am arguing against. And information is stupid when you can't do anything about it. I am complaining about the setup. If you can't see that and instead choose to take it personally, I don't know what to tell you.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:17 amI don't hate it.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:16 am (Also I figured we'd lose anyway so helping Mac win was fun)
It may not have been easy for you.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:51 amI just don't agree with, nor appreciate the idea that this game was easy for me lol.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:50 amAll of which civilians had to deal with too.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:48 am Every single day there was random map movements, night actions, kills, vote manipulation, day actions, items, portals, night polls that create cataclysms, interactive dungeon master host bullshit. Of course there are an insane amount of potential scenarios.
Civilians were fucked.
You don't have to feel overpowered for your role to be overpowered.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:50 am I am only engaging in this debate because I was literally in this role and at no point until the end game did I ever feel overpowered.
All of which civilians had to deal with too.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:48 am Every single day there was random map movements, night actions, kills, vote manipulation, day actions, items, portals, night polls that create cataclysms, interactive dungeon master host bullshit. Of course there are an insane amount of potential scenarios.
I don't agree with that at all.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:43 am Yeah but that's literally not true. It was only 8 people because I had allies.
The Kraken role is literally known to exist. It's an open non secret role. There were all sorts of roles, huge amounts of BTSC, abilities for people to see who is moving around the map. If people had their shit together they'd have made identifying the kraken a sub plot of the game. There was more than enough at the disposal of the other 30 odd players in the game to work around a Mafia player with -5 votes notwithstanding that there were also several Mafia killed in this game and I had no way of protecting myself at night.
I wouldn't throw my toys out of the pram at all. This is a game with an insane amount of potential scenarios. If by the end of the game it seemed like my role was OP it was because of the paths taken to get here. There are innumerable outcomes that result in my demise.
That isn't true.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:34 amYou're basically saying that I shouldn't have even bothered to make any real effort and still would have won, which ... I hope isn't true.
I'm not. I already said this. I'm criticizing the setup.
Doesn't negate my point. Most civilians don't have a kill.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:29 amI was in kill range of members of the other team at least 5 or 6 times.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:26 amI don't mean that- what I mean is that once a mafia member is "caught," that mafia member should be able to be removed via the lynch poll.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:22 amI am just saying that there were many opportunities for me to be killed or lynched that were not taken. My role didn't make me impervious to death which means that the in game mechanics only served to make me a difficult mafioso to contend with rather than an impossible one. I should have been lynched as soon as DharmaHelper noticed I was the Kraken.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:16 amMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:13 amThere were days I was a revealed member of Mafia, with my role known, that I could have been lynched and wasn't. I was also within the kill range of Mafia many many times.You sound like I'm accusing you.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:14 am Oh and also it seemed to have got balanced by the fact that our entire team got infodumped so what does it matter.
I'm not.
I'm saying it's a badly written role for anybody to have (especially mafia).
Nobody should ever have -5 votes- especially mafia.
The fact that I outed your entire team and you still won should demonstrate that.
Also it's not as though it was "oh I have -5 votes this game is gonna be easy". I ended up having to make 950 posts to get the job done. It was a slog.
That was never going to happen, because it meant needing 5(!) more voters on you than someone else in a given lynch. Yes, you could have been killed, but how many people ventured near the water knowing the Kraken was there? I went to the water one time in the very beginning and that was it.
You are almost impossible to lynch, especially as the civilians numbers dropped and the independents had the run of the show. There was no way for you to lose.
Have civilians ever won one of these "A World" games by the way? I know the Circle of Decay won last time. I don't know about games on other sites.
I couldn't have a plan. By the time I ended up working for the civilians, the pooch had been screwed.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:26 amIf you did, it sucked.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:37 am I adopted the Karma Chameleon thing because I was the KC for a couple of phases. I kept changing win conditions and powers. I was The Darkness, then The Hunger (allied with Jagged Blade), then KC (who had to survive), then I found a horse, then I was the "Avatar of Long Con" and needed to be dead to win and the civilians needed to win.
Long Con seriously asked me if I had a plan to win.
I don't mean that- what I mean is that once a mafia member is "caught," that mafia member should be able to be removed via the lynch poll.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:22 amI am just saying that there were many opportunities for me to be killed or lynched that were not taken. My role didn't make me impervious to death which means that the in game mechanics only served to make me a difficult mafioso to contend with rather than an impossible one. I should have been lynched as soon as DharmaHelper noticed I was the Kraken.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:16 amMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:13 amThere were days I was a revealed member of Mafia, with my role known, that I could have been lynched and wasn't. I was also within the kill range of Mafia many many times.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:13 amThis in the beginning crippled any hope the civilians could have possibly had from the outset.
Why make a mafia member all but immune to lynches?You sound like I'm accusing you.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:14 am Oh and also it seemed to have got balanced by the fact that our entire team got infodumped so what does it matter.
I'm not.
I'm saying it's a badly written role for anybody to have (especially mafia).
Nobody should ever have -5 votes- especially mafia.
The fact that I outed your entire team and you still won should demonstrate that.
Also it's not as though it was "oh I have -5 votes this game is gonna be easy". I ended up having to make 950 posts to get the job done. It was a slog.
All Mafia is a political strategy game.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:21 am I'm not playing mafia anymore (for real this time) but I will play "a political strategy game" if anyone writes one.
I don't hate it.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:16 am (Also I figured we'd lose anyway so helping Mac win was fun)
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:13 amThere were days I was a revealed member of Mafia, with my role known, that I could have been lynched and wasn't. I was also within the kill range of Mafia many many times.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:13 amThis in the beginning crippled any hope the civilians could have possibly had from the outset.
Why make a mafia member all but immune to lynches?
You sound like I'm accusing you.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:14 am Oh and also it seemed to have got balanced by the fact that our entire team got infodumped so what does it matter.
This then crippled any hope the civilians could have possibly had from the outset.
I personally don't mind that outcome.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:26 am I mean I wasn't gonna win anyway, pushing Mac across the finish line was the least I could do.
Yeah, I'm a real "shitlord" around here (I don't even know what that means).DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:29 am I mean I'm not "talk to the mod" mad but Epi being an unlynchable shitlord and handing the civilians another W in the shitlordest way possible is very on brand for the game so.
(He won't tho he's gonna die lol)
You didn't tho. I'm a civilian. I work for the civilians.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:24 amBitch I did thoEpignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:23 amI warned you to leave the civilians alone.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:22 am Cool job dicking over all the mafia and 2 indies Epi :o
I warned you to leave the civilians alone.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:22 am Cool job dicking over all the mafia and 2 indies Epi :o
Are you down to your last life already? Jesus. What did you encounter?Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:20 amDid you not read the 6 or 7 times I literally said "Tell me what you want me to do and I'll do it?"
Instead you decided to just ignore me until the last second and proclaim that you're now maybe going to fuck me over because I'm literally just trying to not die.
If you do kill me right now I'm gonna be talk-to-the-mod mad.
I told you not to fuck with the civilians. You are hard headed.
I outed an entire mafia team for the civilians knowing full well one of them would "out" me as the Hunger, but also knowing that nobody would be affected by either darkness or hunger in the future, which clearly has not happened since nobody else but Mac (who is bad) is bitching about anything bad happening to them.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:02 pm My question to any civs is this: Mac has (so far) been correct about all the information he's dropped. What makes you think that Epi, a guy who has been Hunger/Darkness/whatever the hell, has any interest in a civ win? You already borked yourselves into a corner by not sniping Mac when you had the numbers, and now you need Indie votes and mafia votes to even stand a chance. Why not get Epignosis out of the game now?
I mean really.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:11 pm If I survive to end game the Blade wins but I don't. Unless Epi is dead.