The Syndicate

”oh damn. Well ain’t this fucked”

if im wrong, then someone might as well have shit in my cornflakes

"Event: The tire on the car is flat. Of possible explanations a) It has a screw in it and b) A serial tire-flattener came through the neighbor and sliced the tire open, explanation "a" is more likely."

A is speedchuck/colin
B is golden/marmot

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:47 am Get the tinfoil out of your butt. I’ve townslipped twice and singlehandedly caught cupman for no purpose if I was bad.

You can trust what I say.

yeah i should just go with my original opinion. solving things fucks me up too much

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:56 pm

ColinIsSpeed wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:51 pm

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:46 pm

ColinIsSpeed wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:44 pm It doesn’t seem like that would have been necessary, though, so I struggle to see it.

Quite pointless, in fact, so obviously not a bus job.

This also despite the fact I have literally townslipped about the nature of both possible mafia power roles.

Your trying to rationalise my affiliation is entirely false. You know I'm town. Neither Colin nor Speed would have had any doubt from quite a while ago now.

To your last sentence — why? I don’t see why you would be outside of the POE before today.

You literally tole me why my Cupman/GM can't be a team theory was wrong, and then were worried about my affiliation. This makes zero sense.

What's the baddie thinking there?

1) We're in the world of the doublevoters and I'm lying about what I know to... eliminate a very viable team makeup I could be selling when I haven't got great reads on either? or
2) We're in the ninja world, so I could be genuinely mistaken about how doublevoter functions but then I've lied about my mistaken understanding of how a ninja works... and I'm still just eliminating a viable team makeup I could be selling.

You're also the one that corrected me about the ninja, but you seem to have forgotten that. You went through a full conversation with me and nutella to test whether that was a genuine townslip. Nutella confirmed that my understanding of ninja is based on our background. So to hit a second example of the same thing and still to have worries? That's unnatural.

There's so many things in this game which point to me being town:

Why have I protected Galactic Mac?
Why did I make an about face on Fratyo?
Why did I go after the mafia power role?

My game is so bold faced town that there couldn't be any doubt now, yet you're trying to rationalise away your doubts, or still harbouring that it could be a bus. It just isn't believable. Both of you are far more willing to trust me when I'm looking this town and you're town.

Golden is Town

Occam's Razor, speedcolin is mafia

and why exactly?

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:42 am Also my vote was 7 minutes before end of day. I don’t know if colinisspeed ever made it around

1. okay but how am i gonna know this without a post/vote

so i personally missed end of day

from what i recently read, golden and my counterpart were here at EOD and thus so we voted no lynch.

Dry Flood Votes No Lynch ~5 hours after day start, first post of the day
ColinIsSpeed says he will no lynch vote ~17 hours later
Dry Flood Votes Mac ~10 hours after that
Fratyo votes No Lynch 3 minutes after the previous vote


What im wondering is when Mac voted for No Lynch, Presumably before Dry Flood voted him right? because who would vote themselves? But Mac doesnt make his first post until 6 minutes after Golden/Marmot votes him.

So now im at this weird spot where speedcolin if mafia couldve at anytime in the last hour of the day popped in and voted mac. he was the first to post after the day ended 58 minutes after golden/marmot voted mac. was it coincidence that he didnt show up to win the game? is it some elaborate strategy? We are in WIFOM town people. alternatively if mac was mafia he could either counter vote golden/marmot which was a risky bet, or he could no lynch and hold off for now. and in the case of dry floods being mafia, all he had to do was coerce someone else to vote with him.

in any case, if say we, fratyo, died tonight, this head leans dry floods being scum since they favor the most, pointing out our safe play as a town mechanic. when really we couldve all voted no lynch and been on with our day. This brings up more WIFOM and the arguement "i was trying to lure out scum/confirm town" but then we cant be hypocritical of speedcolin doing then now could we?

im weirded out because things arent adding up. maybe now that ive gotten that nugget out of my brain, i can go look at the ISOs and see if they tell me a different story

fact: there's nothing scarier than mafia in final 4 because they can typically be the most active and lean town in their favor, especially with a slow game

Fratyo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:37 pm

Fratyo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:53 am I can almost guarantee no one will die if we no lynch

we'd be prolonging things to solve, sure. but that also leaves room for doubt and wrong ideas to form.

but if more time is legitimately needed, by all means no lynch. mafia has the advantage in 4 man lynch

Isn't the mafia forced to pick a target?

no, nowhere (that i saw) in the rules says mafia HAVE to pick a target.

my opinion is reinforced. and why i expect us all to be alive in the next ~5 hours

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:00 am

Fratyo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:58 am

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:49 pm Golden is bad, I can't believe you haven't lynched him yet.

I haven’t dismissed this yet.

I’ve got 6 hours to look through three ISOs

It’s time to see what I can bring to the table

Lol you do realise that was literally marmot, right? We are the same character.

well aware

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:49 pm Golden is bad, I can't believe you haven't lynched him yet.

I haven’t dismissed this yet.

I’ve got 6 hours to look through three ISOs

It’s time to see what I can bring to the table

I'll try to read through both of their ISO's sometime tomorrow.

Golden, do you wanna compile a small list with the top posts that make you feel one way or around on Colin/Mac? I won't sheep it, but i'll look those posts over extra carefully and see if i agree or not

(you obviously don't have to, it's just a suggestion)

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:05 pm

Fratyo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:02 pm

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:01 pm

Fratyo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:00 pm [VOTE: No Lynch] aubergine

defetently this for me, i thought i'd odne it tbh. I dont think you're mafia dry, but IF you are, i can see why you wouldn't wanna nolynch today

You should be able to see why I don't want to no lynch no matter what.

The extra phase will be meaningless.

point taken that i can see the reasoning as town aswell, but if you're mafia (low likelyhood but still) you definetly wouldn't wanna be in a f3 with people wondering why you didn't die

Yeah

I did expect you'd come in with no lynch and I'm ok with that. I think bowing out in the spirit of marmot is the right thing to do.

Please don't fuck this up.

I'll try ^^

(not that i'd expect you to want to nolynch in that sitaution as town, just that you should understand why I want to do it)

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:02 pm If Colin is town his ongoing suspicion of you stated was frankly a big misjudgement. The last thing any of us needed to do in this phase was leave only one person open without suspicion. For a no lynch to work at final 4, you have to have multiple or zero candidates that appear townfirmed. The extra phase is just pointless.

but we have no townfirmed? Sure i got a strong townread on you, but if you're somehow scum this nolynch is absolutely crucial. You gotta be able to see it from that perspective, no?

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:01 pm

Fratyo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:00 pm [VOTE: No Lynch] aubergine

defetently this for me, i thought i'd odne it tbh. I dont think you're mafia dry, but IF you are, i can see why you wouldn't wanna nolynch today

You should be able to see why I don't want to no lynch no matter what.

The extra phase will be meaningless.

point taken that i can see the reasoning as town aswell, but if you're mafia (low likelyhood but still) you definetly wouldn't wanna be in a f3 with people wondering why you didn't die

there's just no reason not to from my POV.

[VOTE: No Lynch] aubergine

defetently this for me, i thought i'd odne it tbh. I dont think you're mafia dry, but IF you are, i can see why you wouldn't wanna nolynch today

Fratyo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:53 am I can almost guarantee no one will die if we no lynch

we'd be prolonging things to solve, sure. but that also leaves room for doubt and wrong ideas to form.

but if more time is legitimately needed, by all means no lynch. mafia has the advantage in 4 man lynch

Isn't the mafia forced to pick a target?

I can almost guarantee no one will die if we no lynch

we'd be prolonging things to solve, sure. but that also leaves room for doubt and wrong ideas to form.

but if more time is legitimately needed, by all means no lynch. mafia has the advantage in 4 man lynch

Thank goodness fractal is here to do stuff. I swear I would’ve died a while back if it were just me, given how i interactive and lazy I’ve been.

Golden/marmot are on the forefront by the looks of it. Awesome, and mac and daisy have a presence here too! we got this in the bag

goodniiiiiiiiight

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:39 pm

Fratyo wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:35 pm

C&M and GM are compatible only in a ninja world. In a doublevoter world, they are not.

hm, why?

Because there’s one doublevoter from each allegiance, and everyone else has claimed nilla

That's...actually pretty smart

C&M and GM are compatible only in a ninja world. In a doublevoter world, they are not.

hm, why?

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:15 pm

Fratyo wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:11 pm you trust lunatella strongly yes?

If you do it's both you AND 2Dogs that have a strong townread there, which I would be decenly satisfied just sheeping

I do. I’m not sure which head as which, but I feel like Luna and nutella actually have similar styles, I get town from all of it, so for me that’s a decent sign. I mean, if the baddies are Luna/GM I’m completely off base, and day one raises the spectre of that possibility, but I think I proven decent at reading each of daisy and Nutella over time and I think I’m just beginning to get a handle on Luna, and the fact I get no bad vibes from any of them would be a very good coordinated blindside of my meta reads of them.

If we assume Lunatella is 100% confirmed town, how big is the risk you're wrong on Daisy in that world?

Also, i'm gonna follow you on whereever you go today between Colin/Galactic/Cuphead, but this is important for me to know in case we live another phase and you're dead or something

you trust lunatella strongly yes?

If you do it's both you AND 2Dogs that have a strong townread there, which I would be decenly satisfied just sheeping

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:07 pm

ColinIsSpeed wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:16 pm I think I’m gonna vote for DrSloogy. The 2 Dog characterization of Sloonei is reasonable and we were all on the same scum team in Ancient Greece when we saw some similar kind of voting (it reminds one of us the most of Sloonei’s vote for Colin in it, actually, although the circumstances were not identical.)

This one. Don’t like it.

the phrasing of "The 2 Dog characterization of Sloonei is reasonable" is the most problematic to me. It's kind of commentary calling it reasonable, but nothing implying he actually agrees that makes Sloonei scum.

i thought Cuphead's Rim vote out of nowhere yesterday was pretty suspect aswell, i reacted to it at the time. im pretty sure they didn't even show in the thread when they did it

Fratyo... I’m willing to trust you on the back of the last end of day. It could be my funeral, but it felt genuine.

simply based on you not trying to mislynch me here, i think you pretty much have to be town unless you doing something super tricky. but you wouldn't really need to be tricky considering Colinspeed's already voting me and lunatella has had me as scum. So yeah, im gonna trust you.

If we're claiming like we are, EVERYONE needs to claim so we know if we can no-lynch today or not. Otherwise the only thing we're doing is giving mafia info on who the remaining PR is in case we're in the doublevoter setup.

Claiming?

Vanilla town for us two

Nope yeah we don’t have any foreseeable cops etc. blind luck at this point figuring doublevoter doesn’t hammer us in.

If we. Wanted a no lynch it’d have to be an everyone agrees thing

Something about colinspeed doesn’t rub right with me still. It really doesn’t like in the back of my mind it’s been sitting there all game

No lynch*^^^

Nnng, my gut has been wrong all game. I should just shit up and let my other head do this

(But it we’re going full madman than speedcolin/bupheadmagmun/lunatella) it would be

If by some chance we have any kind of info role, it gives us time. Otherwise mafia can deliberate the kill

im out. cya tomorrow

Btw, it isn't possible to vote no-lynch on this site right? Because we're 6 alive tomorrow (Mylo) confirmed in a setup without a doctor. So it would be better for us if we sleep tomorrow so Scum has to remove another person and we have better chances of hitting scum while 5 alive. But if we can't no-lynch except by not voting at all, then scum can always snipe last second, so it won't work

just ISO'd Rim to see if he hinted or showed any sign of who he potentially tracked n1, found nothing. But others can look too.

It was pretty chaotic to be fair, it sucks to claim and then notice you weren't dying anyway. But sure, looking at it from an overhead perspective, yes he should've claimed

I'm sure someone can look over it later. but i felt like i would have a better chance living if i swapped, but decided to stay because i thought Rim was town. This is also why it's good to have a clear lynch with many votes at EoD, so they can claim. Lets learn from today.

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:08 pm

Fratyo wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:07 pm Just so you know, if i'm scum i always swap to Rimworld there to 100% live myself, but I didn't because I thought he was town (especially after he didn't vote me)

Those last few minutes didn't give anyone a clear shot at knowing what would save them.

It was 2-2-2 for a while and then 2 people swapped places and it stayed 2-2-2? Anyway, im pretty sure it was obvious RImworld would have more votes than Lutella if i swapped.

Is this incorrect?

Golden, you need to get your head in the game if you're town. I'm never scum here

Just so you know, if i'm scum i always swap to Rimworld there to 100% live myself, but I didn't because I thought he was town (especially after he didn't vote me)

oh fk..

Rimworld Boyz wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:04 pm

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:01 pm Lol have no idea where Luna was at that time.

Fratyo and rimworld are the baddies I’m sure of it. Let’s hope we nabbed one.

golden has less interest in trying to read me based on meta than usual so please take note of that

He's either scum or deep in the tunnel, that's for sure. I have the same troubles with him as he potentially has with me though, that don't have a Golden!town game to compare meta to.

Rimworld Boyz wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:03 pm put pressure on speedchuck no matter what, of he's mafia and wins this one it's gonna be a big inconvenience for me

lol. Priorities sharp

RNGesus

Guide me

..