The Syndicate

Although when I look at this player list, I would enjoy scumming with anyone on it, so I don't know if there's much to gleam from it

That's actually a reasonable read

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:42 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:39 pm Honestly I'm thinking maybe Guillotine is Mafia.
He was initially on the lynch Jack train before I came in and redirected the train to Nanook.
I think the train was LC who blocked Jack, Guillotine, Gav, and someone else I can't remember.

I think - and I'm going to blow macdaddy's mind with this - mafia team are players Nanook didn't care to play with. I'm way too fun, and Nanook is a big fan of mine, follows me on instagram and metaverse.

[VOTE: NAA] aubergine

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:39 pm Honestly I'm thinking maybe Guillotine is Mafia.
He was initially on the lynch Jack train before I came in and redirected the train to Nanook.
I think the train was LC who blocked Jack, Guillotine, Gav, and someone else I can't remember.

I think I was on Jack at one point, but I don't think you can fault anyone being on Jack before the block on nanook was claimed.

Who blocked nanook again?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:35 pm Tbh I was pretty surprised at Marmot's CFD attempt yesterday

Who did I CFD again? I don't remember.

My vote didn't end up on Nanook in the end, but I fully supported yeeting him over jack fwiw.

Also, it's fairly obvious why Jack died. He and nanook were blocked N2. No kill happened. We in some ways had a 50/50 on those two players, and nanook was a hit. Jack was pretty much confirmed town as a result.

Also, people have been pushing for protectives to be on me, so it's clear jack didn't receive that attention

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:31 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:30 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:59 pm I mean Marmot always watches Jack so we should have an easy lynch today since TSP said they were shooting Gav right? So Mafia kill was probably Jack.

I didn't watch jack because I would otherwise have 5 votes on me today.

I did Discipline him last night though.

What it means?

It means that Jack couldn't have his action(s) blocked/etc

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:31 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:30 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:59 pm I mean Marmot always watches Jack so we should have an easy lynch today since TSP said they were shooting Gav right? So Mafia kill was probably Jack.

I didn't watch jack because I would otherwise have 5 votes on me today.

I did Discipline him last night though.

But I thought you said you didn't watch N2.

I was intentionally obtuse about what I did.

I actually watched you because you were my strongest TR at that point and no one visited you.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:59 pm I mean Marmot always watches Jack so we should have an easy lynch today since TSP said they were shooting Gav right? So Mafia kill was probably Jack.

I didn't watch jack because I would otherwise have 5 votes on me today.

I did Discipline him last night though.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:58 pm If Marmot survives another night then we'll have to chop him because it is strange that the confirmed townie is not getting killed, a "confirmed" townie who happens to be the bloody town watcher. That never happens

jack was also a town watcher...

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 6:57 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 6:56 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 6:52 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 6:50 pm There are at least one (one) wolf sheeping me and possibly more.

What does sheeping you mean at this point?



Like, where's your head at rn?

I'm just lazily following along as an IC so mafia need to choose whether to kill a confirmed quiet semi-strong PR or a loud townie

I'll probably try harder if I'm still alive and things start looking bleak at some point.

Who would be the wolves sheeping your sheepishness in your opinion?

Mac, NAA, and Nanook are sheeping me

I would put them as town, town, scum

Maybe I should scumread gav for forcing a tinfoil SR on me and attempting to snipe me when everyone else thinks I'm town.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 6:52 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 6:50 pm There are at least one (one) wolf sheeping me and possibly more.

What does sheeping you mean at this point?



Like, where's your head at rn?

I'm just lazily following along as an IC so mafia need to choose whether to kill a confirmed quiet semi-strong PR or a loud townie

I'll probably try harder if I'm still alive and things start looking bleak at some point.

I'm sheeping everyone else anyway so we're fucked

There are at least one (one) wolf sheeping me and possibly more.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:13 pm ftr we have to get two votes on gavial at eod or he will be shooting marmot and attempting to get away with it

Thanks for the reminder.

Gav can be the counterwagon then.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:10 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:52 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:50 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:49 pm The D1 Gav wagon to be clear

I completely forgot about that wagon, I'mma go back and look at it.

Do you remember if sabie was a wagon when the Gav wagon existed?

I'm probs not the person to ask about D1 stuff but I feel that Sabie as a force was kinda newer than Gav, and Gav, aside from Guillo at points (?) was only being really pushed by scum in that world

Did you just TMIed me town? You said your town lean on me is not solid and yet you put me aside from scum pushing Gavial here. That reads like your lean is very solid imo.

[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

Anytime I see a "in that world" added to a statement, it can't really be tmi because the statement is explicitly making assumptions to frame a theory.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:52 pm Call me crazy that I’m still be thinking TSP/Marmot are mafia but my paranoia grows so big it’s really hard for me to look past that probability and I’m trying to just have it as just a deep probability but I actually think it’s quite likely which scares me.

Do you have evidence or reasoning for it, or is it specifically paranoia?

Is this related to myself red-peeking sabie and TSP coming in later in the day like "Hey, I was gonna shoot her"?

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:49 pm The D1 Gav wagon to be clear

I completely forgot about that wagon, I'mma go back and look at it.

Do you remember if sabie was a wagon when the Gav wagon existed?

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:45 pm I'd personally say that I'm not ISPing this game but also I don't have a solid read on about 6 slots so maybe I should do more idk, I think we've got a hit today though and it really isn't required

I have non-solid townleans on Guillo, NAA, Mac, most concerned about Mac

I don't have much concern about Mac because he hasn't really scumtold and he's said he's going to sheep me (and even requested that I come into the game to be townie), but it's possible that he's really just trying to pocket me since I red-peeked sabie

Oh wow, I have the second fewest posts in the game of living players :wowee:

Dolby has outposted me, what world is this?

Wrong on Nanook that is

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

I do agree on the counterwagon proposal, especially if we're wrong.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:53 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:31 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 12:23 pm Remember when i said Falcon once raised a red flag for me?
It was this exchange with them. It hit me as they wanted to avoid yeeting Sabie.

► Show Spoiler

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:33 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:31 pm I could vote sabie sig or maybe nanook

Sabie not fighting their chop and going silent is probably scum avoiding spew now.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:36 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:33 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:31 pm I could vote sabie sig or maybe nanook

Sabie not fighting their chop and going silent is probably scum avoiding spew now.

Is there any indication they are aware of their wagon?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:37 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:36 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:33 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:31 pm I could vote sabie sig or maybe nanook

Sabie not fighting their chop and going silent is probably scum avoiding spew now.

Is there any indication they are aware of their wagon?

Yes they commented before and then went poof. ISO them.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:38 pm [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine


Feel opportunistic on Sabie

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:40 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:37 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:36 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:33 pm

Sabie not fighting their chop and going silent is probably scum avoiding spew now.

Is there any indication they are aware of their wagon?

Yes they commented before and then went poof. ISO them.

Can you show me where they commented on their wagon?


I do see them mentioning trying to be here for EOD, which would indicate they wouldn't be around for awhile.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:44 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:38 pm [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine


Feel opportunistic on Sabie

Yes, im making sure to take advantage of the opportunity to lynch scum, if that is what you mean with being opportunistic.

Do you townread Sabie then?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:47 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:42 pm Watchers should be enough to deter Mafia from trying to use a Pyro airblast to create a False Mafia confirm.
And if Mafia does try to double roleblock one of their own to manually destroy the building the Waters should pick that up and we heavily push the roleblocker who was not supposed to be there.

It's the very post they voted for Gavial, at that time they already had 6 votes on them, SABIE DEFINITELY KNOWS THAT THEY ARE MAIN WAGON

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:47 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:44 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:38 pm [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine


Feel opportunistic on Sabie

Yes, im making sure to take advantage of the opportunity to lynch scum, if that is what you mean with being opportunistic.

Do you townread Sabie then?

I don't see a reason for 7 votes on them currently, which makes me think there's a wolf push on the slot.


My read off their ISO is null, I don't feel strongly either way. It doesn't read scummy enough for 7 votes, so by that virtue I'm town leaning them.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:52 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:47 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:42 pm Watchers should be enough to deter Mafia from trying to use a Pyro airblast to create a False Mafia confirm.
And if Mafia does try to double roleblock one of their own to manually destroy the building the Waters should pick that up and we heavily push the roleblocker who was not supposed to be there.

It's the very post they voted for Gavial, at that time they already had 6 votes on them, SABIE DEFINITELY KNOWS THAT THEY ARE MAIN WAGON

OK, I see what you're talking about.


Still, given they did mention prior to this when they voted Marmot they'd try and make EOD, the sudden push on Sabie makes me pause.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:53 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:47 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:44 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:38 pm [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine


Feel opportunistic on Sabie

Yes, im making sure to take advantage of the opportunity to lynch scum, if that is what you mean with being opportunistic.

Do you townread Sabie then?

I don't see a reason for 7 votes on them currently, which makes me think there's a wolf push on the slot.


My read off their ISO is null, I don't feel strongly either way. It doesn't read scummy enough for 7 votes, so by that virtue I'm town leaning them.

If Sabie is null they are PoE no?

Like in my case. I never lynch my townreads, fight hard to chop my scum reads but if there is no traction for my scum reads, nulls aka PoE is fine too.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:56 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:53 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:47 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:44 pm

Yes, im making sure to take advantage of the opportunity to lynch scum, if that is what you mean with being opportunistic.

Do you townread Sabie then?

I don't see a reason for 7 votes on them currently, which makes me think there's a wolf push on the slot.


My read off their ISO is null, I don't feel strongly either way. It doesn't read scummy enough for 7 votes, so by that virtue I'm town leaning them.

If Sabie is null they are PoE no?

Like in my case. I never lynch my townreads, fight hard to chop my scum reads but if there is no traction for my scum reads, nulls aka PoE is fine too.

I don't put nulls into my POE until later in a game, not D1.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:58 pm Like, if I'm Maf, and a player says they won't be around til EOD, if even then, I would find a reason to join that wagon

I buy it, I'll add falcon to the scumreads list.

Nanook suspecting Gav for a TMI read related to falcon is probably damning for him too.

Damning for who?

If you're scum, I think it's a worse look for Nanook.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 12:23 pm Remember when i said Falcon once raised a red flag for me?
It was this exchange with them. It hit me as they wanted to avoid yeeting Sabie.

► Show Spoiler

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:33 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:31 pm I could vote sabie sig or maybe nanook

Sabie not fighting their chop and going silent is probably scum avoiding spew now.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:36 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:33 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:31 pm I could vote sabie sig or maybe nanook

Sabie not fighting their chop and going silent is probably scum avoiding spew now.

Is there any indication they are aware of their wagon?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:37 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:36 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:33 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:31 pm I could vote sabie sig or maybe nanook

Sabie not fighting their chop and going silent is probably scum avoiding spew now.

Is there any indication they are aware of their wagon?

Yes they commented before and then went poof. ISO them.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:38 pm [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine


Feel opportunistic on Sabie

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:40 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:37 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:36 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:33 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:31 pm I could vote sabie sig or maybe nanook

Sabie not fighting their chop and going silent is probably scum avoiding spew now.

Is there any indication they are aware of their wagon?

Yes they commented before and then went poof. ISO them.

Can you show me where they commented on their wagon?


I do see them mentioning trying to be here for EOD, which would indicate they wouldn't be around for awhile.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:44 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:38 pm [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine


Feel opportunistic on Sabie

Yes, im making sure to take advantage of the opportunity to lynch scum, if that is what you mean with being opportunistic.

Do you townread Sabie then?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:47 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:42 pm Watchers should be enough to deter Mafia from trying to use a Pyro airblast to create a False Mafia confirm.
And if Mafia does try to double roleblock one of their own to manually destroy the building the Waters should pick that up and we heavily push the roleblocker who was not supposed to be there.

It's the very post they voted for Gavial, at that time they already had 6 votes on them, SABIE DEFINITELY KNOWS THAT THEY ARE MAIN WAGON

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:47 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:44 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:38 pm [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine


Feel opportunistic on Sabie

Yes, im making sure to take advantage of the opportunity to lynch scum, if that is what you mean with being opportunistic.

Do you townread Sabie then?

I don't see a reason for 7 votes on them currently, which makes me think there's a wolf push on the slot.


My read off their ISO is null, I don't feel strongly either way. It doesn't read scummy enough for 7 votes, so by that virtue I'm town leaning them.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:52 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:47 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:42 pm Watchers should be enough to deter Mafia from trying to use a Pyro airblast to create a False Mafia confirm.
And if Mafia does try to double roleblock one of their own to manually destroy the building the Waters should pick that up and we heavily push the roleblocker who was not supposed to be there.

It's the very post they voted for Gavial, at that time they already had 6 votes on them, SABIE DEFINITELY KNOWS THAT THEY ARE MAIN WAGON

OK, I see what you're talking about.


Still, given they did mention prior to this when they voted Marmot they'd try and make EOD, the sudden push on Sabie makes me pause.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:53 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:47 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:44 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:38 pm [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine


Feel opportunistic on Sabie

Yes, im making sure to take advantage of the opportunity to lynch scum, if that is what you mean with being opportunistic.

Do you townread Sabie then?

I don't see a reason for 7 votes on them currently, which makes me think there's a wolf push on the slot.


My read off their ISO is null, I don't feel strongly either way. It doesn't read scummy enough for 7 votes, so by that virtue I'm town leaning them.

If Sabie is null they are PoE no?

Like in my case. I never lynch my townreads, fight hard to chop my scum reads but if there is no traction for my scum reads, nulls aka PoE is fine too.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:56 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:53 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:47 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:44 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:38 pm [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine


Feel opportunistic on Sabie

Yes, im making sure to take advantage of the opportunity to lynch scum, if that is what you mean with being opportunistic.

Do you townread Sabie then?

I don't see a reason for 7 votes on them currently, which makes me think there's a wolf push on the slot.


My read off their ISO is null, I don't feel strongly either way. It doesn't read scummy enough for 7 votes, so by that virtue I'm town leaning them.

If Sabie is null they are PoE no?

Like in my case. I never lynch my townreads, fight hard to chop my scum reads but if there is no traction for my scum reads, nulls aka PoE is fine too.

I don't put nulls into my POE until later in a game, not D1.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:58 pm Like, if I'm Maf, and a player says they won't be around til EOD, if even then, I would find a reason to join that wagon

I buy it, I'll add falcon to the scumreads list.

Nanook suspecting Gav for a TMI read related to falcon is probably damning for him too.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:57 am I mean if I'm being 100% honest. I don't know if it's Jack or Nanook, but I would personally feel better if it was Nanook just trying to desperately save Sabie.

I'm leaning nanook atm, because his response is "gav tmi'd" and I don't agree with it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:42 am Idk, it seems clear to me, granted I'm quite tired but

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:22 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:15 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:13 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:11 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:10 am Anyone in that tier I don't feel like I have a confident read on socially

That said given two medic claims Sig/Falcon probably aren't w/w since there's a greater than 50% chance they stopped a kill imo

I honestly just wanna know whom @sig protected.

I don't think that that is neccessary

Like, yes it's great if they got a correct protect, but if they claim, mafia knows whether or not they can target Marmot tonight. I personally think that it's just likeliest that Marmot or Mac were targetted and knowing another protection probably wouldn't help

Yes but my theory is Marmot/Falcon/TSP wolf team.

Meaning if that is the case. (I as I said before can be wrong about that hunch but still) Falcon’s protect us Fake and Sig has the real clear.

Is this not just tmi that the kill wasn't block and it hit a protect?

Mafia wouldn't know whether they hit a protect or RB would they?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:28 pm Unyeetable.

Jack


Also Jack

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:20 am I may just be exhausted but did gav not just tmi that the kill wasn't blocked?

A quote would be nice.

Jack what'd I miss, the wagon seems to have moved from you to someone who is actually behaving scummy.

Silly question Gav. Townspeople fake stuff all the time.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:27 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:23 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:47 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:26 am Im gonna say this. Falcon is treating Gavial like a bad townie, not like scum.

Agreed. Scumread feels fake.

Yeah, you kinda did say it before

YET YOUR NOT DENYING YOUR FAKING.

@MacDougall
@Marmot
@Lime Coke
@LinearPoint
@DrWilgy
@Dolby

IN WHAT WORLD DOES A TOWN MEMBER FAKE SHIT!?

I faked a redpeek in your Traitors of Exile game that confirmed a town.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:27 pm Exactly when I have vigilante (or at least a normal one) I don’t go by what another person says I don’t get manipulated the only allowed to manipulate me is myself so that’s why I make my own decisions under my own discretion.

You better be right then.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:24 pm If hero shots / shots that go against concensus are "game throwing", then hosts shouldn't put Vigs in the set up because people don't actually want other players to have that much influence over the game, and often people are pressured into doing what other people agreed on rather than playing the game themselves.

You do you, I just think that taking a vig shot against a tinfoil scumread that everyone else thinks is town is more often than not a bad play.

I'm probably being a little egregious in my categorization. It's probably not game-throwing if you think it's the right call. Personally, I think that factoring other players' inputs in is important too.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:10 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:08 pm Game-throwing has to have some intentionality imo.

That said, someboday having a read you disagree with or scumreading you when you're town is not game-throwing. That's just how mafia be sometimes.

Let’s say I play a game with Jaland.
(You don’t know who that is but hang with me here.)
Let’s say I got 1-Shot Vigilante
And I think his hammer on mafia EoD1 and his cop claim to get mafia yeeted day 2 was fake (true story btw lol.)

Basically think Jaland is a deep wolf (which he was lol.)
If I shot Jaland while he’s in that position is that considered game throwing?

That's a hero shot, yeah. It's adjacent to game-throwing, but I agree with NAA, it only really counts as throwing if you're wrong.

I disagree with this strategy in general though. Not because I'm the one who red-checked sabie, but because doing such actively ignores thread evidence that would suggest that the person is more likely to be town, in favor of conspiracy-theorizing/tinfoiling.

There are cases where it's probably fine to shoot said player:

- If there is a consensus among the other players that they might be scum regardless of their claim
- If the gamestate is awful and we're continuing to chop town after town
- probably some other obscure situations

Sure I could be mafia, but I've provided a claim that supports that I might be town, and I would assert that more often than not, truthful hard-claims come from town (there's more town players, and it's always easier to tell the truth)

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:09 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:08 pm Game-throwing has to have some intentionality imo.

That said, someboday having a read you disagree with or scumreading you when you're town is not game-throwing. That's just how mafia be sometimes.

This isn't universally accepted

If I want to throw something, I have to wind my arm back and release it in a forward motion. Very intentional.

I could achieve the same outcome by accidentally spilling something forward out of my hands.


If there isn't intention and it's just incidental, we should call it game-spilling.

Game-throwing has to have some intentionality imo.

That said, someboday having a read you disagree with or scumreading you when you're town is not game-throwing. That's just how mafia be sometimes.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:06 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:06 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:04 pm @Marmot
Don’t you think TSP could get away with that?
I think he could tbh and if you are indeed actually wolf that omega bussed you can probably tell him about it and let him know I thought of it for him.

Get away with what?

Well Marmot you remember what I said about TSP don’t you?
You tell me buddy.

No I don't remember what you said about TSP, can you remind me?

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:04 pm @Marmot
Don’t you think TSP could get away with that?
I think he could tbh and if you are indeed actually wolf that omega bussed you can probably tell him about it and let him know I thought of it for him.

Get away with what?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:56 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:52 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:49 pm 4 copies are Maf, which means there are no duplicate Maf roles...Town has a copy for each Maf role

It says there are 18 copies total, not 9, so I think that means there technically can be 2 of the same role on the mafia team.

Like it doesn't explicitly say that the mafia can't have 2 unique roles, though it can be inferred. I'm just not sure which is correct.

OK, it's a possibility...tho I can't say I've ever played a game where Maf have duplicate power roles...have you? Especially with only 4

I think there's reason to believe that it is randomized such that mafia can have two copies. Otherwise, the Red Engineer would be confirmed town right now because sabie was the Blue Engineer. The duality of it would be too pro-town I think.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:55 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:28 pm NAA might have gamethrown in the past, but that's not really relevant if someone else is gamethrowing now, just because NAA is the one bringing it up.

I mean, there's not much point in engaging LimeCoke seriously on this topic, the game he's referring to (philosophy) I only voted mafia at EOD. And only pushed mafia at EOD. I mean, you know because you were in that game and my Poe was almost entirely correct. Lime coke is just trolling himself over that game where I couldn't hit a vigi shot. Being wrong is game throwing.

I'm specifically talking about the other two games where you quick-hammered in LYLO :P


But I can't really interact with LC's argument, because it's based solely on LC's alignment, of which only the mafia team knows, and even then, he's calling you town.

I'm engaging with him, because I'd rather have something I can actually converse about, not shrug my shoulders at.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:54 pm Sad part is though TSP can probably shoot me as Mafia Sniper and get away with it even by revealing that he shot me.
Which is very sad.

Why can he get away with it?

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:52 pm “ 4 of those copies are part of the mafia faction, the other 14 are town.”
This doesn’t indicate anything.

@Dragon D. Luffy
Can for example 2 Spy’s possibly both role mafia.
Like can mafia both have the role of 2.

Generally, you have to PM questions to the host, not ask them in thread.

Luffy might be different, but who knows.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:49 pm 4 copies are Maf, which means there are no duplicate Maf roles...Town has a copy for each Maf role

It says there are 18 copies total, not 9, so I think that means there technically can be 2 of the same role on the mafia team.

Like it doesn't explicitly say that the mafia can't have 2 unique roles, though it can be inferred. I'm just not sure which is correct.

Let's just fear-elim jack today so we don't have to deal with him in lylo.

No hard feelings Jack.

[VOTE: JackOfSharts] aubergine

Who did you block again LC? I take it that you blocked Jack?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:32 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:24 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:22 pm I’ve slept since playing this game.

Townread Marmot, Gav. I think I townread LC for his push on me. Feel like I townread Guillo but I don’t really remember why. Did I scumlean Falcon? Maybe. Will look into that lol.

Just TMI me town, sounds good.

I just don’t think a wolf comes out at the first page of the day after a no kill night voting for a player they roleblocked.

Yeah because he basically red checked him.

Not a guarantee, but sure.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:33 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:32 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:30 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:28 pm NAA might have gamethrown in the past, but that's not really relevant if someone else is gamethrowing now, just because NAA is the one bringing it up.

If he's town, he's gamethrowing currently.

How is he gamethrowing?

Look at his vote.

I guess my concern is that you're accusing him of gamethrowing and being town, rather than scumreading him. Could he not be scum in this scenario?