TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:49 pm
wolf team plans to bus sabie, fails to bus sabie, proceeds to bus sabie even harder is a thing I can see
So in which case you admit you and marmot are probable scum buddies?
tbh if marmot flips wolf I'll let you shoot me just on some vague principle
Bet
Or better yet, if I’m dead you promise to out yourself and surrender yourself for elimination.
Something something I am not happy with being lumped in with the Seanzie CfDers and there was no way that I could reasonably that to have happened an hour later
sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:31 pm
So my biggest issue right now is I don't have any super solid mafia reads.
I'm back and forth on Gullio, his low tunneling on me is a bit scummy and he's not doing much content wise just volume also there's this weird thing with naa which doesn't seem V/V unless I"m missing something? But, he was also pushing sabie for awhile if i recall correctly and Last phase I pegged him as tunneling towny which seems more right.
I think the LC read on jack has some merit, but with the amount of blocks, protects, eCt out there it isn't solid.
I think most likely mafia are laying low, maybe we've got one who voted to save sabie, but doubt it's more than that, and probably one on her wagon? I need to go backk and look at that lay out.
Also beginning to suspect Falcon given his under the radar playstyle and D1 flipflopping vote then avoidance of wagons.
So im townie because i tunneled Sabie but not for low tunneling you? So i cant be scum for hellbussing Sabie for example?
Well I know i'm civ and your reasoning for tunneling on me is god awful. Which imo is usually something mafia are more prone to do D0/1 since it lets them latch onto something, tunnel, do less gameplay wise, and then when someone misflips it's a meh.
So in theory you could be scum for bussing sabie, but given that it was Day 1, Sabie wasn't outted at that point, and there are only four mafia members hard bussins seems a bit less likely. That isn't to say no mafia members voted for her D1, but voting vs hard pushing is very different.
So I guess you'd be a slight town read? but probably my least confident one.
Im gonna pretend i dont scum read you to engage with you. Boom! That read is gone, the tunnel is vanished.
Sig, why do you think Sabie chose to chop Seanzie instead of chopping Gavial and you who were available wagons at the time?
Well, I'll break this down a few ways.
1. I don't think at that time I was a viable wagon. The only way to make it viable would've been if like all four mafia members voted for me, especially at the time she voted which was right before EOD correct? Really the only traction I was getting at that time was from You for a very bad reason, a random and unexplained vote from falcon who was flipflopping, and maybe dizzy? Really not any viable reasoning.
2. I think she 100% voted for whoever her teammates told her to vote for, If there was a genuine and active civ push onto sean at that time, which if I recall correctly there was, then it made sense to just throw the votes on there.
3. It was a cfd they don't always make sense nor are they executed perfectly, I think you might be attributing to much logic in that move.
4. I can't speak for the gavil thing, probably a better question to ask him. I will say based off his playstyle in this game I'm not reading him as mafia, even if you say she might've saved him by not voting or something I don't see that as a big enough reason to vote for him, especially since his other game play has been civvie imo.
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:59 pm
Fuck it.
@Jackofhearts2005
What the hell are your reads currently?
I'm afraid to even let you off the hook because I've done it twice and you end gamed and won. I'm not gonna let it happen again just because you post well in a spurt.
You’re not letting me off the hook because I post well in a spurt. You’re letting me off the hook because the only reason to suspect me is because you blocked me but if I was a wolf, I’d be unblockable anyway so there’s no reason to suspect me in the first place.
sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:02 pm
Keep this up Mac and I might flop you over to the mafia side of my Mac meta.
oh no how scary sig is threatening to omgus me
I mean see whenever I do omgus you it's because you're mafia that goes for me, very rarely does town mac try to dumbly vote me off. Now usually it doesn't matter buuuuuut I take great joy at end game/in dead chat, being able to whine and feel vindicated that I was once again right.
Mercenaries who work for the mafia have more advanced equipment that grant them the following bonuses:
- Soldier: Will also learn the target’s class/color when he watches them.”
Well like….whatever. I’m still town.
Tin foil theory here, but what if jack is mafia with a mercenary and got their roles confused? Since in theory he could be submitting the roles for the entire team.
sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:02 pm
Keep this up Mac and I might flop you over to the mafia side of my Mac meta.
oh no how scary sig is threatening to omgus me
I mean see whenever I do omgus you it's because you're mafia that goes for me, very rarely does town mac try to dumbly vote me off. Now usually it doesn't matter buuuuuut I take great joy at end game/in dead chat, being able to whine and feel vindicated that I was once again right.
Though pretty sure your town, however If you're not I still want one "I told you so" to everyone.
sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:02 pm
Keep this up Mac and I might flop you over to the mafia side of my Mac meta.
oh no how scary sig is threatening to omgus me
I mean see whenever I do omgus you it's because you're mafia that goes for me, very rarely does town mac try to dumbly vote me off. Now usually it doesn't matter buuuuuut I take great joy at end game/in dead chat, being able to whine and feel vindicated that I was once again right.
Every time I suspect you regardless of your alignment you always make this argument which is always incorrect as I've pushed you as town many times, and been correct many times...
I think you are sus. Not being pushed since d1 given your performance here is strongly indicative that you are mafia or the mafia would have tried to push you.
What about pushing you of all people makes me dumb? Where do you get off calling me dumb for daring to push a tepid, omgussy Sig that has been coasting?
1. I mean it's a pretty good argument to make.
2. I wouldn't say I'm being tepid what so ever, I'm making reads when I see them and asking questions. Not my fault more people aren't engaging in my reads and that the thread keeps getting derailed by dumb arguments.
3. On this whole tepid/not doing enough point we are only on D3, and D2 was a total wash, even with that I've still done more than alot of other players so kinda weak to see I'm not doing anything and being tepid.
4. Back to point 3, I don't think I'm coasting at all, I'm posting, giving my thoughts, and staying caught up which is more than some people. So don't really see where this whole coasting thing is coming from.
5. It's dumb since it"s wrong and is a lazy approach. Not really doing any work into it just asking why other people haven't voted for me and helping to set up mafia for an easy vote/mislynch.
Found 6 just from today. @Dolby
We will have better play if we read.
So let’s work on that yes?
Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:06 am
I think that I'm like
Dolby
TSP
Marmot
Lime Coke
LinearPoint
Guillo
NAA
Mac
Gav
Jack
Martin
Sig
Wilgy
Falcon
Nanook
Why is Martin so low?
Why is Both Medic claims low? (I understand Falcon but I heard that Sig also claimed medic so while it’s probable both can be mafia I don’t think they are likely teamed at all.)
Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:10 am
Anyone in that tier I don't feel like I have a confident read on socially
That said given two medic claims Sig/Falcon probably aren't w/w since there's a greater than 50% chance they stopped a kill imo
I honestly just wanna know whom @sig protected.
I don't think that that is neccessary
Like, yes it's great if they got a correct protect, but if they claim, mafia knows whether or not they can target Marmot tonight. I personally think that it's just likeliest that Marmot or Mac were targetted and knowing another protection probably wouldn't help
Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:10 am
Anyone in that tier I don't feel like I have a confident read on socially
That said given two medic claims Sig/Falcon probably aren't w/w since there's a greater than 50% chance they stopped a kill imo
I honestly just wanna know whom @sig protected.
I don't think that that is neccessary
Like, yes it's great if they got a correct protect, but if they claim, mafia knows whether or not they can target Marmot tonight. I personally think that it's just likeliest that Marmot or Mac were targetted and knowing another protection probably wouldn't help
Yes but my theory is Marmot/Falcon/TSP wolf team.
Meaning if that is the case. (I as I said before can be wrong about that hunch but still) Falcon’s protect us Fake and Sig has the real clear.
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:13 am
Although I will say that TSP above Marmot is weird.
Like I know you really think TSP is town Dolby but he shouldn’t be above Marmot.
Ok so basically
I don't think that he has the mech knowledge to claim right there and right then as wolf unless teammed with Marmot and idk they preplanned that bus assuming that sniper was already on Sabie
Like yeah I think Jack or Falcon needs to go tomorrow.
Because Jack being in a LYLO especially with TSP is like rough.
Like if Jack is town he probably gets ML’ed and we lose as we probably won’t vote TSP unless I’m alive which I probably won’t be.
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:13 am
Although I will say that TSP above Marmot is weird.
Like I know you really think TSP is town Dolby but he shouldn’t be above Marmot.
Ok so basically
I don't think that he has the mech knowledge to claim right there and right then as wolf unless teammed with Marmot and idk they preplanned that bus assuming that sniper was already on Sabie
He didn’t directly claim though and technically speaking if he had to he could have denied it a bit.
He only said “Vig” he used that specific word instead of Sniper.
So it doesn’t make him super town it just makes him wanting to kill Sabie and he was briefly pushing them which I’ve played with TSP before in my very first game where we both hard bussed each other and he won F3 doing so.
Like I can definitely see him and marmot making that kinda play but I can also be terribly wrong on this so idk.
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:13 am
Although I will say that TSP above Marmot is weird.
Like I know you really think TSP is town Dolby but he shouldn’t be above Marmot.
Ok so basically
I don't think that he has the mech knowledge to claim right there and right then as wolf unless teammed with Marmot and idk they preplanned that bus assuming that sniper was already on Sabie
He didn’t directly claim though and technically speaking if he had to he could have denied it a bit.
He only said “Vig” he used that specific word instead of Sniper.
So it doesn’t make him super town it just makes him wanting to kill Sabie and he was briefly pushing them which I’ve played with TSP before in my very first game where we both hard bussed each other and he won F3 doing so.
Like I can definitely see him and marmot making that kinda play but I can also be terribly wrong on this so idk.
idk if it's in the site meta here to actively line up a shot on Sabie (assuming no scum pyro) but I wouldn't do it personally
Also I’m pretty sure Martin is cleared. Well not really but he is the other engineer and I know roles don’t mean anything but out of all roles that mafia can have he’s the least dangerous one for them especially considering Sabie was already one.
Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:16 pm
I still think it's more likely that Marmot was doc saved successfully than scum kill was roleblocked, but also, Nanook was even worse looking on the CFD than NAA imo and should probably just go
In a setup with 2 docs, I don’t think the wolves ever try a regular (non strongman) kill on a player who just red checked one of them unless both docs are wolves or otherwise marginalized.
If Nanook is a villager, that means that the Nanook block didn't prevent a kill, the Jack block didn't prevent a kill, the Marmot save probably didn't prevent a kill and all we know (mechanically) is that at least one of Mac and whoever Sig claims to have saved (cause we don't know Sig's alignment) is town.
Which is pretty close to meaningless since we don't know who Sig saved (if they're even town) and I already townread Mac.
Also, Nanook hasn't posted much of anything like....partner indicative or nonindicative with anyone else. The biggest shift is I think NAA probably isn't teamed with Nanook (awkward interactions and it would be weird for 2 wolves to just refuse to do anything but sheep marmot) so I guess Nanook flipping V makes NAA look worse.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:27 pm
I’m going to assume either Gav decides to not shoot Marmot or we yeet Gav because he’s going to shoot marmot and im gonna waste zero time being probably the eighth person to explain how stupid it would be for town to vig shoot Marmot atp.
Do you think if Gav had a shot he wouldn't have used it by now?
Well there was zero kills last night, maybe he did but could not kill anybody.
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:56 pm
Honestly I feel like LC is the kind of player who would intentionally make a plan to not kill N2 just to frame their roleblock target.
LimeCoke? Lol
Trust me, he is not a good strategist. Ive seen him derp as both town and scum. Ivecseen him forgetting submitting his night action as scum, even the factional kill. Lime Coke is not a planner in a team, he is a follower, he likes to be led.
Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:10 am
Anyone in that tier I don't feel like I have a confident read on socially
That said given two medic claims Sig/Falcon probably aren't w/w since there's a greater than 50% chance they stopped a kill imo
I honestly just wanna know whom @sig protected.
I don't think that that is neccessary
Like, yes it's great if they got a correct protect, but if they claim, mafia knows whether or not they can target Marmot tonight. I personally think that it's just likeliest that Marmot or Mac were targetted and knowing another protection probably wouldn't help
Yes but my theory is Marmot/Falcon/TSP wolf team.
Meaning if that is the case. (I as I said before can be wrong about that hunch but still) Falcon’s protect us Fake and Sig has the real clear.
Is this not just tmi that the kill wasn't block and it hit a protect?
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:21 pm
I’m sorry Falcon but I think your mafia here, you aren’t playing like your town games, you are playing really poorly this game and really wolfy.
You are doing what a wolf would do and in your town games you don’t do it as much as your doing it here.
Can you elaborate. The accusation is really cague tbh.
Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:10 am
Anyone in that tier I don't feel like I have a confident read on socially
That said given two medic claims Sig/Falcon probably aren't w/w since there's a greater than 50% chance they stopped a kill imo
I honestly just wanna know whom @sig protected.
I don't think that that is neccessary
Like, yes it's great if they got a correct protect, but if they claim, mafia knows whether or not they can target Marmot tonight. I personally think that it's just likeliest that Marmot or Mac were targetted and knowing another protection probably wouldn't help
Yes but my theory is Marmot/Falcon/TSP wolf team.
Meaning if that is the case. (I as I said before can be wrong about that hunch but still) Falcon’s protect us Fake and Sig has the real clear.
Is this not just tmi that the kill wasn't block and it hit a protect?
Mafia wouldn't know whether they hit a protect or RB would they?
Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:10 am
Anyone in that tier I don't feel like I have a confident read on socially
That said given two medic claims Sig/Falcon probably aren't w/w since there's a greater than 50% chance they stopped a kill imo
I honestly just wanna know whom @sig protected.
I don't think that that is neccessary
Like, yes it's great if they got a correct protect, but if they claim, mafia knows whether or not they can target Marmot tonight. I personally think that it's just likeliest that Marmot or Mac were targetted and knowing another protection probably wouldn't help
Yes but my theory is Marmot/Falcon/TSP wolf team.
Meaning if that is the case. (I as I said before can be wrong about that hunch but still) Falcon’s protect us Fake and Sig has the real clear.
Is this not just tmi that the kill wasn't block and it hit a protect?
Mafia wouldn't know whether they hit a protect or RB would they?
...yes? That's the point? That gav is tmi-ing that the nk hit a protect and wasn't blocked...because there are currently two block claims out, two protects claimed, and a doc that hasn't claimed a target yet, so from town pov there isn't necessarily a clear in the doc protects
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