The Syndicate

But if no one else does and the wagons seem decided, I'll consider it.

For now, I'd rather Sean go over than Rondo, and would encourage everyone else to do the same.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:35 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:34 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:33 pm Honestly I would rather the wagoned players vote Mac by EOD so we can speed up the process. If you're town and wagoned you might better want to get yourself out of this game before town wastes another day lynching you.
That’s what I’ve been saying.

@Marmot @S~V~S @RondoDimBuckle
If you vote mac, I will too
Why am I voting Mac?
If mac gets 3 votes he can kill 1 of them in the night.

Wanna put your faith in mac daddy?

I selfishly don't want Mac to kill me and I don't trust he won't.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:41 pm @falcon45ca @nutella @Neon @Dyslexicon @Alison @Party Crasher @Creature @Marmot @Lilypetal @Porscha

Come talk to me.

Do you have any reads or takes you want to share?

I just browsed through your ISO, and I couldn't find much of anything that indicated interest in solving.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:35 pm I'm ngl I have no energy for this EOD.

So

Nyeh.

Rondo, why'd you buy that fur coat?

But not a real fur coat, that's cruel

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:34 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:33 pm Honestly I would rather the wagoned players vote Mac by EOD so we can speed up the process. If you're town and wagoned you might better want to get yourself out of this game before town wastes another day lynching you.
That’s what I’ve been saying.

@Marmot @S~V~S @RondoDimBuckle
If you vote mac, I will too

Why am I voting Mac?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:28 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:04 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:57 pm I wish I had three day vigs
I wished there were ITAs. This game feels like being trapped in the elevator with 27 people for 48 hours.
OMG this so much. And half of them, while speaking your language, speak a dialect of it that you don't quite get ha ha

I'm gonna try to read some more Sean/Rondo, but as i said my top suspect is Marmot, so I would prefer to leave my vote there if I don't have to save.

Why am I your top suspect?

I like that you did some due diligence on the case, I'm just not sure I agree with your outcome Mac.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:14 am Allow me to summarise again.

Rondo presently has Ender lock town. Ender has had Rondo as lock mafia since essentially the game began. Rondo has mostly ignored Ender intentionally and admittedly and when I've asked why he said it's because he thinks Ender is town because as a wolf he has no benefit to locking himself into scumreading Rondo out of the gate. So he is townreading him for something Ender did at the start of the game despite Ender, someone whom Rondo should trust to have a good read on him, non stop tunneling Rondo all game.

Further Rondo stated at the beginning of day 2 when he observed Nutella start to question Ender that he actually began to suspect Ender too overnight and wanted to observe day 2 before pursuing it further. Ender's day 2 proceeded to be more non stop burial of Rondo.

The question is on probability...

Is Rondo a wolf whose behavior is that of a wolf who knows he cannot bullshit Ender who saw right through him. So he's mostly just letting Ender spin around and focusing attention elsewhere hoping nobody notices Ender is right. Who when presented with an opportunity to discredit Ender took it.

Or is he a town who lock town reads someone non stop tunneling him who has a better understanding of Rondo than anyone else in all of mafia (they are personal irl friends), who was reaction testing Nutella with the Ender push, or had temporary doubt on it, but has been persuaded to go back to lock townreading Ender after further persistent tunneling.

To me one is plainly viable and the other is ... plausible but doesn't make a great deal of sense.

I rest my case goodnight.

Tbh, when I'm town, I largely ignore players who tunnel me to focus my efforts elsewhere, especially when I feel that the tunnel is not particularly threatening, even if it's persistent. (See my handling of DkKoba on Day 4 of Champs Finale)

What's your opinon of Ender based on all of this? Your opinion of Rondo seems to be largely related to how Ender is handling him.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:24 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:20 pm Why is Rondo a wagon? He seemed rand!v from my memory on Day 1, but I didn't pay much attention to him and don't understand what's changed.

I'll peek at his ISO, but I want to hear why people are actually voting for him.
theres a major exchange with him and mac and a large mac case on him around pg137

ty

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:17 pmI also want to know what you think, although I don't know where your vote was before.

Why are you voting sean?
I don't understand why you want me to summarise everything that has happened. It's a lot. You should read it if you get the chance. Sean, Rondo and SVS has mainly been the wagons. There's vote counts posted along the way. They are all somewhat PoE. Ender, Mac, Nut and me have been arguing for both Rondo and Sean, and Golden and Kate has been arguing for SVS

I'll do some catchup reading overnight, but I don't have time to read that much right now, we've got 35 minutes til eod.

I'm just trying to make efficient use of time.

Why is Rondo a wagon? He seemed rand!v from my memory on Day 1, but I didn't pay much attention to him and don't understand what's changed.

I'll peek at his ISO, but I want to hear why people are actually voting for him.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:15 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:14 pm I kind of hate Marmot coming in like "Im voting Sean, and IF he is doing the same things it's a good option"
Please don't introduce a Marmot wagon now. I can barely keep up with three options.

I really hope Dizzy isn't serious here, because I'm not dying today.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:13 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:12 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:10 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:09 pm Sean/SVS/Rondo wagons?

I vote Sean

[VOTE: Sean] aubergine
Why?
Can you give me a brief synopsis of other options?

Also hi ur cute
Seems like you are able to make a choice without having a synopsis.

Rondo: Very wolfy.
SVS: Probably not so wolfy after all.
Sean: Very wolfy.

I also want to know what you think, although I don't know where your vote was before.

Why are you voting sean?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:12 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:11 pm If Sean is doing the same things he was yesterday (mildly poking at things without any follow-through), this feels like a good choice.
He's not even poking. He's like, lifting a finger and wiggling it a bit every so often.

Either way, he seemed to lack the sean aggression that I've come to expect.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:10 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:09 pm Sean/SVS/Rondo wagons?

I vote Sean

[VOTE: Sean] aubergine
Why?

Can you give me a brief synopsis of other options?

Also hi ur cute

If Sean is doing the same things he was yesterday (mildly poking at things without any follow-through), this feels like a good choice.

Sean/SVS/Rondo wagons?

I vote Sean

[VOTE: Sean] aubergine

I am incredibly behind, but I am here.

One last note.

I doubt Mac/Alison are wolves together, they wouldn't vote me simultaneously like this unless their team was in trouble, and given the absence of other wagons, that doesn't seem to be the case.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine for now.

I'll be back closer to EOD.

I gave nutella a magical item last night, ask her about it.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:48 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:46 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:42 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:22 pm

Why do I have a wagon?
To be fair it went from 'not really coming together at all' to 'coming together rather easily' at some point.
Does this seem like a good thing to you?

I know my role so it's obvious to me, but wagons forming easily aren't usually a good sign.
The 'wasn't really coming together at all' part was a bad look and then the 'coming together rather easily' part is a good look.

All in all it does make me feel slightly better about you and slightly inclined to go for someone else in the PoE, ultimately... but that depends on a few things (like the work you're about to put in now).

"The 'wasn't really coming together at all' part was a bad look and then the 'coming together rather easily' part is a good look."

I don't understand what this line means. Is this referring to the same situation or separate ones?

S~V~S, Scotty, Party Crasher, Sloonei, Michelle, Alison

I don't have time to look at the rest of the list, so gth responses here.

SVS: Don't remember anything from Day 1, null
Scotty: P#5864 is a weird one, @Scotty can you explain why you are sheeping Mac's POE when you could just as easily vote for Mac? Idgi
Alison: if Alison is voting me, she's probably a wolf, because she can read me easily
PC: NPC read
Michelle: No recollection of content, but the pushes I saw on her Day 1 gave me town vibes, so it might be fine.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:46 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:46 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:44 pm Golden: from what I can see he followed along the case that Mac laid out, so in a v!Mac world, w!Golden makes sense for sheeping it.
Me isoing you and coming up with completely different things from Mac is sheeping?
I voted you before Mac did, I'll note here.

Hmm ok

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:46 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:44 pm Golden: from what I can see he followed along the case that Mac laid out, so in a v!Mac world, w!Golden makes sense for sheeping it.
Me isoing you and coming up with completely different things from Mac is sheeping?

I'm speed analyzing, sorry if I miss things.

I probably won't be back online until the final couple hours of the day, and am trying to work fast.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:42 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:22 pm

Why do I have a wagon?
To be fair it went from 'not really coming together at all' to 'coming together rather easily' at some point.

Does this seem like a good thing to you?

I know my role so it's obvious to me, but wagons forming easily aren't usually a good sign.

Golden: from what I can see he followed along the case that Mac laid out, so in a v!Mac world, w!Golden makes sense for sheeping it.

MacDougall, Golden, S~V~S, Scotty, Party Crasher, Sloonei, Michelle, Alison

These are my current voters. I'm going to do a quick review of each

Mac: prodded me early on for asking someone else who I should vote, before later asking to do the same thing in sheeping my vote. Him pushing me rn is normal for v!Mac (he always does this), but the way he handled me EOD1 is in line with how he's treated me in his last couple wolf games (Nanook's League game and Holes). He might be town, but I don't trust him atm.

I'm pretty sure I had Rask as town Day 1, wdym?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:34 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:28 pm Who are the town I've been pushing?
Well Rask, Cape for 2. I think your day 1 pushes are mostly flipped town.

When did I push Rask?

Sean, why are you voting nutella?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:28 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:22 pm

Why do I have a wagon?
Wow, you do have a wagon. What'd you do?

You tell me, I haven't been here.

Who are the town I've been pushing?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:25 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:23 pm I have like 20 minutes, what the heck is going on?
My dearest Marmot your day 1 play was analysed as pushing a lot of town, you were identified as having inconsistent progression on Sabi and you have not participated in day 2 in a way commonly thought to be mafia indicative.

I literally have no time to be present today, there's nothing I can do about that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:26 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:02 am
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:59 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:57 am ilario has zero on-topic content. Kill him.
Mindmeld. Also Sabi is mafia. get them.
You right.

[VOTE: Sabi] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:03 am Sabi didn't even respond to my question earlier ;_;

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:06 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:53 am I haven't read the last 20 pages what have I missed?

@Sabiplz are you powerwolfing this game?
@Sabiplz

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:08 am Guillo null
Neon slight v
lucy slight v
sig v
Sabi null
Creature slight w
Rask slight v

Here are some reads I have from the last page or so because I refuse to backread further.
I actually find this progression extremely wolfy. Marmot pivoted off this vote, null read Sabi, voted Neon and then never really looked at sabi again. He pocketed nutella by shielding her and then Nutella shielded him lol. @nutella you're a noob. This guy is a wolf.

The Sabi vote was a pressure vote, although I ended up backing off because Sabi/lucy had an argument that led Sabi to AtE. The only time I've seen Sabi do that was either as town, or with a teammate, and since lucy ended up flipping town Day 1, I concluded for the time being that sabi might be town.

Also, I voted Neon as a joke, because she asked someone to.

I have like 20 minutes, what the heck is going on?

Why do I have a wagon?

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:07 am I don't know who needs to hear this but guys I love you all.

We can and we will win. No use attacking each other we need to work together or we will lose

Town has got this 100% <3 =^.^=

+1

Love you too!

Hi thread.

My Day 2 is very busy. I'll be in the thread here and there later in the day.

Glgl and keep up the hunting!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:53 pm if you want a chance to be green checked pop your vote on me... if iawy votes me I'll check him but otherwise I'm just gonna rand it

@Inawordyes

Or anyone else in POE for that matter.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:52 pm I love that more people got on cape after he pr claimed instead of less hahah

I just assumed everyone was a PR.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:42 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:32 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:29 pm can someone point me at the person who is the most obvious town and also playing properly? I'd like to ask them a few questions
marmot ofc
but I just called him mafia so this doesn't work for me
I know you wolfread me in pretty much every game we play (except when you're a wolf), but I should be obvious town to you tbh.
sure you are just get to the part where you give me a summary and help me make a good decision jeez

Cape had a few bad read progressions. He had nutella town early then dropped her to a scumlean when she's been a pretty obvious town since then. The voters on Cape's wagon are all pure imo.

IAWY is the sbpc wolf, has struggled to formulate solid reads, but his wagon is shadier.

Pretty much everyone is fine with these wagons except for Golden who is loudly shouting for something else.
SOMETHING ELSE

Sorry, I missed your post where you said you wanted the Guillo wagon.

Noted.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:32 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:29 pm can someone point me at the person who is the most obvious town and also playing properly? I'd like to ask them a few questions
marmot ofc
but I just called him mafia so this doesn't work for me
I know you wolfread me in pretty much every game we play (except when you're a wolf), but I should be obvious town to you tbh.
sure you are just get to the part where you give me a summary and help me make a good decision jeez

Cape had a few bad read progressions. He had nutella town early then dropped her to a scumlean when she's been a pretty obvious town since then. The voters on Cape's wagon are all pure imo.

IAWY is the sbpc wolf, has struggled to formulate solid reads, but his wagon is shadier.

Pretty much everyone is fine with these wagons except for Golden who is loudly shouting for something else.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:35 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:32 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:29 pm can someone point me at the person who is the most obvious town and also playing properly? I'd like to ask them a few questions
marmot ofc
but I just called him mafia so this doesn't work for me
ok bub hes more polarized than me and literally jay levels of goating so glgl
okay fine marmot it is

@Marmot sorry I called you mafia can u give me appraisal

Appraisal?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:32 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:29 pm can someone point me at the person who is the most obvious town and also playing properly? I'd like to ask them a few questions
marmot ofc
but I just called him mafia so this doesn't work for me

I know you wolfread me in pretty much every game we play (except when you're a wolf), but I should be obvious town to you tbh.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:29 pm can someone point me at the person who is the most obvious town and also playing properly? I'd like to ask them a few questions

nutella

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:26 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:23 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:21 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:13 pm So I’m on page 68 but I see that I am almost top wagon. Can someone in the present @ me with the reasons why and also if I should just skip the next 10 pages?

Also, imagine dying d1 lmao

Also, [VOTE: Cape90] aubergine shameless self-pres without question because I am not dying today

Also, something from page 68 that I find interesting is how people are starting to pile heat onto Cape, Scotty and myself - but guess who’s not a wagon? Consolidation into two targets, on D1, out of three or more, basically gives free reign to the mafia to direct those targets towards townies and not mafia because we’re ignorant and don’t know anything so why would we know any better?
I don't understand the last point, are you suggesting that Scotty should also be a wagon, or be a wagon instead of someone else?
What's your read on Scotty @Inawordyes, I know you expressed some disappointment in him earlier based on his vote for you, but I don't remember what you concluded.
honestly his point about scotty not being wagoned might be a good one

scotty basically fell off a ton after the first part of the day, idk what happened, maybe my first page instinct on him was right and he's been avoiding the spotlight since

I don't remember anything from him either tbh, I blame the game size.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:21 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:13 pm So I’m on page 68 but I see that I am almost top wagon. Can someone in the present @ me with the reasons why and also if I should just skip the next 10 pages?

Also, imagine dying d1 lmao

Also, [VOTE: Cape90] aubergine shameless self-pres without question because I am not dying today

Also, something from page 68 that I find interesting is how people are starting to pile heat onto Cape, Scotty and myself - but guess who’s not a wagon? Consolidation into two targets, on D1, out of three or more, basically gives free reign to the mafia to direct those targets towards townies and not mafia because we’re ignorant and don’t know anything so why would we know any better?
I don't understand the last point, are you suggesting that Scotty should also be a wagon, or be a wagon instead of someone else?

What's your read on Scotty @Inawordyes, I know you expressed some disappointment in him earlier based on his vote for you, but I don't remember what you concluded.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:20 pmahem
sorry i forgot marmot

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:13 pm So I’m on page 68 but I see that I am almost top wagon. Can someone in the present @ me with the reasons why and also if I should just skip the next 10 pages?

Also, imagine dying d1 lmao

Also, [VOTE: Cape90] aubergine shameless self-pres without question because I am not dying today

Also, something from page 68 that I find interesting is how people are starting to pile heat onto Cape, Scotty and myself - but guess who’s not a wagon? Consolidation into two targets, on D1, out of three or more, basically gives free reign to the mafia to direct those targets towards townies and not mafia because we’re ignorant and don’t know anything so why would we know any better?

I don't understand the last point, are you suggesting that Scotty should also be a wagon, or be a wagon instead of someone else?

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:12 pm my reads (tutuu)

not ordered and im not tryharding just to note

112
golden
ilario

dizzy
falcon
hollowkatt
le petit
neon
nutella

cape
dennis
guillo
kate
sabi

ender
lily
michelle
porscha
pyxxy
svs
scotty
seanzie
sig
sloonei
tsp
urist

wilgy
creature
alison
mac
radish
rondo
inawy

ahem

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