The Syndicate

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:32 pm I really regret just quitting and letting myself get dusted off.

Game felt easy Day 1, and then literally the super inactive Day 1 people looked towny as hell, and I was just lost and didn't feel like I could fight my way out of the POE since I had no idea where to go. So I just got out of the way and trusted the game onto town's hands. Turns out wolves were super deep.

I should've just self pres'd onto Falcon because there was evidence that he was scummy, just didn't bother with it in case I was wrong.

GGs. Sorry I couldn't do more.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:05 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:04 pm What do you plan to do with that time?

What does town usually do with time? I'm still learning the style

Johanna wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:26 pm Honestly I was not expecting yesterday's hammer. I checked in at midnight and the thread was locked. I thought the day was going very well, and I hope we can get that back.

I guess NAA will come now saying no we gotta keep everything to ourselves, but I am busy enough to not check the thread when I don't have to i.e. at night.

But you know, we are in a critical situation so I will try. I would like to have the time for that

Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:12 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:11 pm @Dolby let's just simplify this to one basic question:

What's the difference between Sloonei and I that can allow your views to make sense? I am asking because I don't know, and only you can show me.

Sloonei doesn't look like he's trying to chainsaw tomorrow into me/GMan/Johanna

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:43 pm Interactions of Son of Anarch and Dyslexicon

From Son of Anarch

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Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:48 pm Hey all. Just caught up on the thread, some thoughts below

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@TonyStarkPrime care to explain your townreads on sig and falcon? Gotta say I disagree with at least sig for reasons I describe up top, no real opinion on falcon as of yet.

And also why I'm on the subject:

@falcon45ca Why'd ya specifically call out that crowd with their townreads? I'd say there's been quite a few players this game that have been ridin' the town read train, includin' myself a bit.

Oh yeah and since it's been talked about a bit, I'm just gonna say that another reason I have Stayposi as town now is because while she's not postin' as much as the rest of us, her posts are pretty... "powerful" in a sense. I'd like to call it somethin' like high-impact posting. I'm willing to listen to Dyslexicon's opinion of course, but I don't think she's got scum vibes like some of the other people I've been talkin' about.

And another thing too that I noticed... I still kinda feel like Lime Coke is mirroring the thread. He seems almost scared to make strong statements and has even qualified a few of them like his townread on ilario. Dunno... think I'm just gettin' the vibe that he's a bit uncomfortable.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:05 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:02 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:01 pm Also that SPF sleuthin' post on sig was so mind blowy I don't even know where my brain is at, like I could barely comprehend it, but it sounded right

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

Reminder that I'm pea-brained

Hey, I want cred for this too. I caught it immediately, I just wasn't all flashy about it, cause I wanted to lure more out of him lol

Cred denied. You didn't sound as cool as SPF did when talkin' about it

Jk jk if sig flips wolf I'll think about taking you on a bro-date.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:40 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:39 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:36 pm Sloonei, that post got me thinkin' and now I'm kinda wonderin'... Are you sayin' you think this dialogue between me and sig could be town/town?

Uh, I think he's saying that if you are, the hostility building is not helpful. And hearing people out regardless of alignment is always better. This post is a bit weird though.

It's not weird if ya know what's knockin' around inside my head right now

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:42 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:39 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:36 pm Sloonei, that post got me thinkin' and now I'm kinda wonderin'... Are you sayin' you think this dialogue between me and sig could be town/town?

Uh, I think he's saying that if you are, the hostility building is not helpful. And hearing people out regardless of alignment is always better. This post is a bit weird though.

And by the way, the post you're referring to isn't the one I responded to

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:36 am I don't think any of the spoiled bits are that important and to be honest with you all, the quoting on this website is a bit difficult/hard to keep up, so I'm just gonna be talkin' about things without quotes and then if ya need me to quote for whatever reason, just ask me.

@ilario I think Marmot's recent posts are alright. It doesn't really sway me one way or the other. I guess you could say his posts are mostly safe, but not really that scummy t'me. I know that's kinda avoiding givin' a direct answer, but probably wouldn't feel comfortable labeling the dude one way or the other.

And Sloonei man, I honestly don't know what you're tryin' to say there. I get you don't want to enforce a read on Jimmy or make people think you have to follow your read, but I think from my perspective it seems pretty obvious that ya town read the guy. Reason bein' that you haven't really contested the triad idea, keep askin' leading questions that sorta attempt to guide people towards the read, and I don't think you'd give Jimmy this much thread control if ya thought the guy was scum, eh? So I don't get why you're makin' such a big deal about not givin' a read on him.

Dyslexicon had a good point earlier by the way. I know ya guys haven't ever played with me, but I think some of my posts here are pretty hard to fake as scum just in general. I'd listen to the good man here and town read me to make the game easier on you all Hah, but if you don't wanna that's okay too. I just wanna remind you all though that cowboys are good at catchin' criminals.

Also, I accept my place in the triad with you Ilario. I was readin' over your ISO earlier and I'm thinkin' you're just town. Reason being that I think some of your ideas and posts are just too whacky to be scum and your confidence is so fire. I know I said earlier confidence could be scum-indicative, but it's the kinda confidence that's enforced for the sake of pushin' the game along and not the kind of confidence I see a wolf present in order to be town read. Dyslexicon seems like a pretty cool dude as well, high-energy and all. Not that that makes someone town, but I've seen him present a few reads or push in a few directions that I feel like would be pretty ballsy to do, also everyone else seems to town read him and I doubt the whole thread would be wrong on that sorta read since he seems to be a regular on the site.

Here's a reads list for everyone's trouble by the way (it's not ordered between tiers):

Stayposi
Ilario
Jimmy
Dyslexicon
NAA

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Dolby
Sloonei
Marmot
Falcon

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G-man
Johanna

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Lime Coke
TSP

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sig

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:18 pm And yeah gonna echo my pal Dyslexicon’s take here. No way I’m votin’ Ilario here and he’s decently town read by everyone, so you’re admittin’ to just making a vanity vote.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:18 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:17 pm [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Now this might just be the spice I was talkin’ about

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:21 pm Alright Dizzy, I’m game.

[VOTE: Falcon Man] aubergine

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:25 pm A new triad emerges. Me, Dizzy, and Stayposi. I dub us the falcon killers

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:17 pm Eh... If I had t'pick 4 people. Now that's really tough, but I'm gonna say right now it'd have to be...

Dizzy
Jimmy
Ilario

and for the fourth... I'm not too certain here. Maybe someone I haven't looked into too much but got good vibes from like Dolby or heck, even Johanna. That might be jumpin' the gun though. I think I'll slot Dolby in there.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:28 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:21 pm I was just about to bring something up about Anarch that might’ve ended me and Ilario’s mindmeld lol. But yeah, you’ve seemed more in the backseat this day. Though I guess you addressed that.

Question though: What do you think Ilario’s intentions of giving you (and me) a lock town read in the way that he does? Cause for me, I just can’t really see any ill intent in that. OR basically: How do you feel about our triad?

I feel good about the triad. I think you and ilario are the two people I've been trustin' the most so far and I don't really have any reason to doubt that right now. I'm in the backseat 'cause of the high-volume of posts, bein' a lot busier with work now that it's not a weekend, and just generally not bein' too worried about the game state. I don't think ilario had ill intentions behind lockin' us town, but I do want to point out that that is a pretty loaded question. 'Cause either his intentions are pure and he's town or they're not and he's mafia. I'm thinkin' he's town so I'm thinkin' his intentions are pure. It would be pretty brave for a mafia to try and form an alliance like that, but not impossible. However, part of the reason I even trust him so much is because you're also in this "triad" with me and since I have reasons to think you're town, that at least means I'm not gettin' suckered in by two mafia. If he's pocketin', he's pocketin' both of us and that's way less embarrassin' to me.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:32 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:29 pm Also I’m with spf and want to hammer in the fact that we probably just need one mafia flip to break the game open here, or at least have a much better understanding. It feels kind if chaotic right now, but it feels more chaotic than it is, because the solution is there. So if you’re town, just do all you can to get there.

Kinda agree with ya there, considerin' how the game state has been goin'

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:40 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:38 pm ANY BURNING QUESTIONS OR HUG REQUESTS? I’m sleeping soon and tomorrow is hell

Main suspect?

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:01 am Hey Dizzy! Can you guys tell me a bit about what I missed if ya don't mind?

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:04 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:02 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:01 am Yeah, yeah. I can see that but hey don't worry, as long as ya guys don't hammer me before I'm able to out my finals n' stuff it's all good

You think it’s good you’re getting chopped?

That's kind of a loaded question. What I'm sayin' is that obviously bein' chopped here is bad, but if you guys at least give me enough time to out my final reads then I won't feel pissed about it.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:05 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:03 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:01 am Hey Dizzy! Can you guys tell me a bit about what I missed if ya don't mind?

Scum is you, G-Man, Dolby and Falcon. Rest is town. I think that’s it.

Well that can't be right seein' as how I'm town. I thought you town read me earlier? What changed here?

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:50 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:48 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:47 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:45 am I’m about this close to hammering Soa now. Blessings or forebodings?

You're already votin' me, but you can hammer Dolby instead.

I’m voting Dolby lol

Well, then keep your vote on him

Orange: This bit is already a decent look for Dizzy. SoA felt the need to reassure the reader, and probably Dizzy himself, that he wasn't ignoring Dizzy's suspicion of SPF -- just that he didn't agree. That can be viewed now as TMI on SPF, and I think it's typical of how mafia might handle civilians in Dizzy's position too.

Green: This is a moment Dizzy returned to last phase when we considered eliminating SoA. It's nice that Dizzy at least raised the concern at the time as well. SoA's response is pretty non-descript. If I reach I might say it looks like he is trying to assuage Dizzy's hesitation. The last green post looks pretty good for Dizzy too.

Cyan: By this point Dizzy as a high town read had become consensus so whatever. The initial blurb would be a bold one if they're teamed. That shouldn't be discounted off-hand.

Blue: Things become increasingly blatant here too. If SoA wants to form a triad with at least one civilian included, he'll need to sell it. Perhaps that's to Dizzy's credit, since SoA was really milking it at this point. Again there's wifom to contend with.

Red: This is probably the most important exchange for assessing Dizzy. SoA offered a lengthy response when Dizzy really began to reexamine the "new triad" on the basis that SoA had been falling off. SoA's response looks to me like someone who is trying to sell an argument to someone else that isn't already informed about its veracity; that is, SoA looks like he is really trying to convince Dizzy the triad is pure. That would suggest that Dizzy is not his teammate.

From Dyslexicon

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Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:38 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:07 pm Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hi, Son. Hope I can call you Son, cause I think that's kind of funny.

I just wanted to tell you that I'm currently single and looking to mingle. And I was wondering if you wanted to go on a date with me? It would entail peace and love and good things, and us never voting each other this game. You are town, and I am town. Let me know kk *squeaks and runs*

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:37 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:49 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:47 am Has anyone claimed watcher yet I’m getting impatient

Yup. I'm watcher.

But now we know this means you're not

Unless...

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:40 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:53 am You know it's kinda weird because I got the sense from Lime Coke's opening he didn't worry about town reading people so early, but the way he qualified that ilario read with "it's dangerous" kinda has my sensors goin' off a tad.

Ok fine

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:18 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:48 pmOh yeah and since it's been talked about a bit, I'm just gonna say that another reason I have Stayposi as town now is because while she's not postin' as much as the rest of us, her posts are pretty... "powerful" in a sense. I'd like to call it somethin' like high-impact posting. I'm willing to listen to Dyslexicon's opinion of course, but I don't think she's got scum vibes like some of the other people I've been talkin' about.

And another thing too that I noticed... I still kinda feel like Lime Coke is mirroring the thread. He seems almost scared to make strong statements and has even qualified a few of them like his townread on ilario. Dunno... think I'm just gettin' the vibe that he's a bit uncomfortable.

I'm not actually scum reading spf here, to be clear. I'm not really reading her as anything, at least until I fact check myself lol. And I'm more than willing to listen to other people's opinion here. In any case, game is still young, so lettuce see what happens.

Regarding Lime, I feel that unless consensus is horribly off, I'd say he's probably town siding quite a bit if he is in fact mafia. Which I guess is possible. But I don't know, I don't really feel it. Or, I feel like he's actually happy about the town reads he has as opposed to not happy.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:01 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:58 pm there are at least three zero posters and I thought everyone was townreading lc and anarch

I think about everyone is town reading anarch. Lime has been voted and sussed a fair bit, but as far as thread consensus right now I guess it's "eh maybe town".

And your reads are weird to me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:02 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:01 pm Also that SPF sleuthin' post on sig was so mind blowy I don't even know where my brain is at, like I could barely comprehend it, but it sounded right

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

Reminder that I'm pea-brained

Hey, I want cred for this too. I caught it immediately, I just wasn't all flashy about it, cause I wanted to lure more out of him lol

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:08 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:03 pm Also I'm thinkin' there's probably a scum in the 0-posters. Not sure if mafia the syndicate is the same, but on mafia scum a ton of folk hate randin' mafia to the point where they'll barely post. It can get pretty annoyin' and well... we've got three guys here not speakin' and I don't feel super bamboozled yet. I think I'm gonna make an enemy out of anyone who comes into the thread now.

Lol that's the spirit! =p
And yeah, I agree, also because I don't really think there are four mafia among the posting. Four seems like a lot, and maybe I have too many town reads tbh. But we do not speak about that.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:43 pm Actually

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Ilario, Sloon, Jimmay, Anarch, SPF - Town.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:04 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:53 pm I think Lime Coke is town and might feel more strongly about that than I do about ilario or Son of Anarch being town. That's not really a "slight" on the latter two; they're fine.

Can you do some whys on this?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:14 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:06 am Son of Anarch is an interesting case. I think that, on a holistic level, he looks pretty decent. There are some isolated moments where he might be a bit s t i l t e d though. I think I could even be reading him that way as a byproduct of his penchant for replacing the "ing" with " in' ". Replacin' as it were. I know that's dumb, but I'm just trying to make sense of a dumb concept like "stilted".

Still generally a town read, just with a bit more trepidation than some others have shown.

He kind of reminds me of that one player in last year's champs who role played in Game 1. =p
I think I've seen stuff from Anarch that mafia rarely says, and in general, town tells are way more reliable than scum tells imo. I may or may not feel inspired to go back and see if I agree with myself.

Right now I feel pretty good about at least five players being town. If I'm wrong on one of them, I feel like they are forced to town side quite a bit, which I'm then fine with. If I'm wrong on more than one, I'm not doing a nice job. And here is where I get my usual "but strong players" worry. But actually, history has told me that in a game with a lot of strong and active players, reliable town cores are likely to form, which in turn can break the game open quickly.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:08 am I'm going to attempt making a full ordered list, but just know that I kind of hate this exercise and I could second guess a lot of placements that ultimately doesn't end up mattering lol

Ilario - Husband material. Even if he's pulling off the deepest pocket of my career, he would be husband material.
Sloondog - He's doing his town things, he's not doing his one scum thing, and Jimmay says he is town.
SPF - I really like how she brought up the Sig mismatch thing, and I also feel good about our interaction. Funny thing is that her claiming stoned alleviated my worry around the one post that stood out the most to me lol.
Jimmay - I have followed his reads and thoughts, and I think our reads are pretty much identical or only minor variances, and there is of course no need to be paranoid!
Anarch - Not familiar, but I think he's done things that mafia pretty much just doesn't do. Creds if he is tbh. Also like his direction.
Marmot - I have no issues with The Marmot.
Dolby - Is probably fine. His posts are fine.
Axe - I don't know really.
Lime - I'm not quite convinced on Lime tbh. I feel he is very spongy, and I didn't like his woe is me post, cause it read more like he thought it was unfair that he was read mafia rather than it being wrong. Still appreciate his activity and solving, and not really interested to chop today.
TSP - He certainly has posts. Probably maybe not teamed with Sig? Could easily be town tbh
Falcon - Don't know, and don't particularly understand his takes. To be fair, he's not typically the most active or consensus player in general to my knowledge.
G-Man - There's nothing to read really.
Johanna - Honestly, those posts leaves nothing but mhhh in my mouth.
Sig - I read the thread/didn't read the thread, no good. And his approach to me felt like buddying. Unconvincing attack on Anarch, kind of feels like a crutch.

Anarch and above are pretty comfortable town. Add Marmot too, if I'm feeling a bit frisky.
Don't really have active suspicion on anyone except Sig.
Something like that.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:39 pm Anyway, I went back to look at Anarch's ISO. And I agree with myself that there are certain things that mafia almost never does, like saying the game lack spice then adding some, saying they're town as fuck, saying they'll make an enemy out of the next people posting. So I'm still happy to be in a triad with him and Ilario. New friends ^^

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:49 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:44 pmI can like posts from tone which is what I said. If I'm going to pocket it won't be like that anyway.

Anarch instantly called me mafia for essentially going agaisnt his idea of claiming. Whihc again I'll follow with what I said before.

1. You want to out a town PR role, never good.
2. gives the mafia targets. You can say watcher will look which is all well and good, BUT that also straight up means watcher is going to be on that person leaving everyone else open. Not to mention watcher claimed so they can just go for him. Also sorry it isn't fun and against the spirit of the game to claim D1 and I'm sticking to that as a good reason alone regardless of strategy not to claim.
3. The whole case around me is dumb and seems like everyone here just has confirmation bias going on. So not really going to go out of my way to play super hard and still get lynched since people decided to go with an easy day 1 and/or just dislikes my view on claiming.

Alright. As I asked you earlier, do you think Anarch openly fishes for a role claim as mafia like that, if it's clearly anti-town?

Also, this game has four scum in it, and I haven't seen you have many suspects yet. I assume you plan to get a vote down?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:52 pm Inb4 Sig/Anarch team

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:08 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:05 pm Hey all, bad news: internet outage in my area. I’m using the last of my data to be here

The struggle is real. Seems like most people are away for EoD in any case. Hope the magic of internet returns to your life soon!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:10 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:06 pm Ah. I see it’s dead anyways, huh?

Anyone wanna make things interestin’ while we still can?

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

Interesting.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:20 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:18 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:17 pm [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Now this might just be the spice I was talkin’ about

Jain the dark side. Triad unite.

To be clear, I'm also fully on board with Sig chop still.

(Also, call me Dizzy, if you please. I do love that nickname. ^^)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:32 pm Ok, Anarch was one

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:54 pm Anyway - Ilario, Sloonei, Jimmay, SPF, Anarch, all town.
If Sig is mafia, maybe take TSP out of the PoE or maybe I'm dumb. I wouldn't take Lime out of PoE though.
If Sig is town, don't freak out.
Get G-Man and Johanna to talk more.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:09 am I quite like Johanna actually. I like that she picked the exact same Anarch post as awkward that I did, I like that she didn't go "michop bad thread consensus bad" (though I don't know if that is actually AI or anything), and similar to Jimmay, I do have a slight positive lean on her not considering the watcher (though logically, this is probably a non-point)

I also kind of think Axe is town? I don't know his scum style though. It would have to be a bold one if scum. I probably don't have enough actual backup to call this, and meta digging is boring. What do you say, Axe?

And now I'm pretty sure I have way too many town leans, wow surprising

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:20 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:17 pm I forced myself to put together a read list on an almost gun-to-head basis, because my mental sorting of this game has been a bit disturbed by SOD2 and the sig flip. This happened:

Dyslexicon
Sloonei
Lime Coke
TonyStarkPrime

ilario
Son of Anarch
Marmot

NotAnAxehole
falcon45ca
Johanna

G-Man

I a experiencing a ton of cognitive dissonance about that second tier. It's making it very difficult for me to form a proper POE pool.

Why is Lime so high for you?
I'd say Lime, Tony, Anarch, Marmot are all worthy of some love and attention for me at least. The two latter less so.

Actually, maybe I don't have as many town reads as I think lol

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:25 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:31 pm No worries. I just don't see the need to complicate the game until necessary. I'm an agreeable enough guy, sure. Heck, me even writin' this post is pretty agreeable, wouldn't ya think? But I'll tell ya what, bein' scum and bein' agreeable here serves me no purpose. I prefer to be in the center of the action as wolf, gettin' lots of blood on my hands whenever possible. Probably a bit hard to believe, eh? I'm pretty chill right now, after all. That's because I've got no teeth like those scary wolves, heh

Kind of just believe this and Anarch is probably just town.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:35 pm @son of Anarch Thanks yous. That’s what I want to hear lol. It’s not really about it being brave as mafia, I just think it would be unstrategic as well, as it would actively box in his then potential team more. I just wanted to know if you had consudered this tbh. I think there’s basically no way he’s mafia.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:42 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:40 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:38 pm ANY BURNING QUESTIONS OR HUG REQUESTS? I’m sleeping soon and tomorrow is hell

Main suspect?

Lime, where my vote is =p

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:33 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:31 pm @Dyslexicon are you still entirely solid on ilario and Son of Anarch? My chief tinfoil is that they're both mafia.

Ilario, yes. Anarch, no. Been thinking about Anarch during the night, and I get the impression his energy and involvement has been declining (though tbh I'm not caught up at all - in the process now)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:35 pm I was thinking Son of Anarch might fit into the Sonny profile from the PerC crossover.

Sonny is my literal twin, so curious what you mean by this =p

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:46 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:44 pm Like, I get all happy just from Ilario showing up. Maybe I'm too deep in it, but fuck it, he's just town, I just know it.

Also, what's the reasons for him not being town anyway? Except game's hard.

I hope this doesn't annoy people now lol

It doesn't annoy me. If ilario is mafia he's played a fantastic game -- better yet than a strong mafia showing in the MURYM game last month. I don't have some clear or coherent case.

The reason I am exploring this so thoroughly is that the best argument I can come up with for either of you to be mafia is that you trust each other unconditionally for reasons I cannot entirely understand.

This is a game where mafia can town read each other and cruise when it starts at 11 vs. 4. I was also thinking of SoA as being a part of that situation.

Alright. I don't know what to say to this other than we're not mafia. I think I'm clearly town as well, though I realise the game is hard. Anarch has been dropping pretty heavily for me, and I think it's time me and Ilario had a staff meeting about it actually.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:51 pm I think Ilario, Marmot and Jimmay are just town. That's maybe not a lot of town reads, but these are strong town reads for me.

I don't like Dolby's push on the general consensus town because I don't really see the substance in it apart from "This bad because I don't like the PoE". If Dolby is mafia, I think the PoE is good.

Anarch is falling down in the PoE for me. Maybe it's because of his activity dropping off, and now my initial town read there just doesn't feel as strong anymore. I don't really know how i feel.

As I read, I like quite a few of Johanna's and G-Man's posts. I don't know if that's really good enough at this stage though. But this may be another reason I'm thinking it's quite possible that Anarch is mafia.

I don't really see many teams that doesn't include Falcon tbh. My actual read on his play is that his posts are probably "fine" within his meta. But I don't really sense that he's going anywhere with his suspicions. His Ilario suspicion has seemed static, and I don't really get the sense that he cares about solving the game.

TSP and NAA exists and have done things.

Ilario/Marmot/Jimmay

NAA/TSP

Johanna/Anarch/G-Man

Falcon/Dolby

Much of this is superfluous, but I include it anyway if anyone wishes to reference the posts later.

Orange: This would be the stuff Dizzy could most stand to explain. It'd be good to know what SoA posts Dizzy had felt were not the kind mafia ever/usually make. It's unclear, and we're forced to take it or leave it.

Otherwise this follows the trajectory one would expect just by following the game. SoA was a strong town read, and that read faded with time until eventually it was gone entirely. Dizzy's own read on SoA kind of tracks with my own, though he was perhaps slower to flip.

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Conclusion

I don't really think this looks like an interaction of mafia teammates. I have left Dizzy at least one question to talk about. Otherwise this does nothing to make me want to add Dizzy to the POE pool.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:30 pm Do Johanna and Son of Anarch fit together as mafia teammates?

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Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:57 am I know I said falcon is probably my #1 suspect but that's largely a function of not really having any. As I said, the ones who've made posts that struck me as odd in a bad way are Lime Coke and SoA.

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I'd like to call him Limey.

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But that'd be rude.

TSP definitely posted oddly, but not knowing them at all and given the consistency of it I am happy to chalk it up to posting style. Suggesting that a vt claim watcher was fantastic,

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Thanks Marmot, I forgot that over the night.

they defended someone who was basically tilted for their entire stay on thread and thus were an easy mischop. It was not clear then and I'm not sure why he didn't say his clear was based on meta, but he was right, and his D2 so far just makes him townier.

I hate how NAA is playing but I don't see reason to characterise that as scummy. Confrontational and antagonising, sure. Again I chalk it up to posting style, although in this case I don't think there are reasons to towncore him. Neither are there reasons to suspect him.

So falcon. Yeah, I don't have reasons to think he's a wolf per se, either, and especially now that it's become apparent he's not very well caught up. In my experience, wolves are just as often boldly pushing names as they are cute and cuddly,

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I mean, they are. falcon's main D1 point doesn't really hold.

but what they try to do is to be up to date.

I don't think I can in good conscience vote for a 2-poster. Nobody can say whether they're scum or not based on two posts. So you know, I'm not reading that slot, but it is true that if they don't show up soon they'll have to be up for the chop. I'm just saying give them a chance to show up.

That's the most questionable bit about NAA, his easy-going willingness to lock wolfreads on nothing but literal thin air.

Johanna wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:24 pm I think the worst posts of yesterday were Lime's burst, although NAI, and SonofAnarch's "you mean you think our interation is t/t" post, which was awkward.

However the more consistently not so great person is falcon. I like some of the things he said and he raised some valid points (like pointing out said weird SoA post), but it is true that he is mostly being contrarian and that's easy to fake.

A priori he seems a good wolf candidate as someone with some thread presence who gets noticed but not a lot of attention.

I am actually intrigued by TSP. Either he was TMIng sig or he just had the right idea. I lean towards the second, at least for now.

Generally I think there have been bad posts and people with bizarre moments but nobody who has been overtly or outright scummy. Kind of glad I got to avoid having to make a bad choice, although I think I would have leant falcon. There has to be at least one wolf in the towncore (why not two) but I wouldn't know where to look.

Also, I kow understand why Dyslexicon gets abbreviated to Dizzy instead of Dys. That was too many posts...

Johanna wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:38 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:34 pm

Johanna wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:24 pm I think the worst posts of yesterday were Lime's burst, although NAI, and SonofAnarch's "you mean you think our interation is t/t" post, which was awkward.

However the more consistently not so great person is falcon. I like some of the things he said and he raised some valid points (like pointing out said weird SoA post), but it is true that he is mostly being contrarian and that's easy to fake.

A priori he seems a good wolf candidate as someone with some thread presence who gets noticed but not a lot of attention.

I am actually intrigued by TSP. Either he was TMIng sig or he just had the right idea. I lean towards the second, at least for now.

Generally I think there have been bad posts and people with bizarre moments but nobody who has been overtly or outright scummy. Kind of glad I got to avoid having to make a bad choice, although I think I would have leant falcon. There has to be at least one wolf in the towncore (why not two) but I wouldn't know where to look.

Also, I kow understand why Dyslexicon gets abbreviated to Dizzy instead of Dys. That was too many posts...

This is one of those posts that doesn't say much with a whole lot of words.

Well I guess I lied, SoA would be my first suspect for a deepwolf precisely because of that weird post. They were pretty good for the rest of the day though, so I wouldn't jump there immediately.

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:33 am I think I've said lots of things.

If what you want is reads I think SoA and Lime Coke are probably the most dubious consensus town reads, Dolby is a good bean so I want to see him around more, and I don't have anything to judge G-Man by.

TSP and SPF are my lock townreads, then JJJ, you (Sloonei), Dizzy, probably NAA goes here, Ilario, Dolby, Limey/SoA, falcon, I have no read on G-Man... and I completely forgot Marmot existed. Is that normal?

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Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:05 am I think as stated yesterday, that JJJ and Sloonei are always the same alignment. Therefore, JJJ town.

Why is TSP alive is my biggest question. I'm not chopping an uncontested claim but still. I briefly voted G-Man after Dizzy's claim but I'm on No Vote as I try to sort out my thoughts.

I think in my first catch up post I already indicated SoA as a most likely wolf in the D1 towncore and D2 did not alleviate those suspicions so I am very happy to go there.

I always want to see more of Dolby, I stil feel like I haven't seen enough from him but I might need to bow to the consensus that he should be chopped.

I am very flip floppy on Falcon. He often feels performative but he also has many posts that ring honest.

I do not know G-Man.

I feel like J's PoE might contain up to three wolves rather than all four, but I really can't say who the fourth would be and who in the PoE would not be a wolf I think there's reasonable doubt on all of them to scum read them but also there is very little certainty.

Finally, I'm off

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to watch Dune.

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:06 am Anyway, I'm voting [VOTE: SonofAnarch] aubergine for now.

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:49 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:46 pm I don't know if I'm ready to call G-Man scum yet. I think he was put in an unfair position to work out of given his inability to participate at all Day 1, and his presumably limited time to contribute since.

That said, I'd prefer a yeet of Son of Anarch, Dolby, or falcon, not necessarily in that order. I think they all have a lot more working against them based on their own behavior.

My preferred chop is SoA, but I'm not going to go on a vanity wagon. I share your same concerns and I have voiced them repeatedly.

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:15 pm [VOTE: Son of Anarch] aubergine

Johanna's immediate reception of SoA when she joined the game was a negative one, albeit vaguely so. She didn't promote his demise necessarily, though she is clearly doing so on Day 3. I wouldn't say this is super conclusive, but if it points anywhere it points toward non-alignment.

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Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:36 am

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:06 am Son of Anarch is an interesting case. I think that, on a holistic level, he looks pretty decent. There are some isolated moments where he might be a bit s t i l t e d though. I think I could even be reading him that way as a byproduct of his penchant for replacing the "ing" with " in' ". Replacin' as it were. I know that's dumb, but I'm just trying to make sense of a dumb concept like "stilted".

Still generally a town read, just with a bit more trepidation than some others have shown.

Hey Jimmy, I appreciate the town read n' all, even if it's comin' with some strings attached. Can ya maybe quote a post or two where ya feel I might be stilted?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:08 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:03 am (perhaps i should be taking a closer look at my read on Son Of Anarch - i wrote him off as town almost immediately when i have no idea what his range is like or how competent of a wolf he is)

I was having this thought just a moment before I read your post. My current stance is that Son of A Narc is town and perfectly agreeable and a helpful voice in the thread. But he's also new to me, but clearly not new to the game, and a player in that position could very quickly and easily disarm us if they know what buttons to push.

This is not something I would take action on right now, but it is something I would be mindful of if the game begins to take a shape that we do not like.

Hey man, I'm tellin' you all to be scared of me I'm not scum this game, but I can tell you all that I'm not half-bad.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:49 am

sig wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:00 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:07 pm Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Weird callout. Especially since Anarch already established themselves as pro-mech claim where they claimed watcher. Just takes the call for fruit vendor to claim, which isn't bad, and strips away a past context which makes it look better.

Townreads Dizzy

Don't care about the response to the SPF stuff.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:18 pm Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae

would have to read for context

Basically the whole ISO is being defensive and talking about Anarch. I strongly dislike the sus on Anarch from sig, nor do I like that beyond the Dizzy toneread it's the only thing he's put out. There is space to improve since he hasn't backread but does not look good.

I appreciate your analysis here, Dolby. Keep sheepin' my reads and I'll take care of ya, although I gotta say, I kept confusin' you for ilario here because of the avatar.

I don't think any of the spoiled bits are that important and to be honest with you all, the quoting on this website is a bit difficult/hard to keep up, so I'm just gonna be talkin' about things without quotes and then if ya need me to quote for whatever reason, just ask me.

@ilario I think Marmot's recent posts are alright. It doesn't really sway me one way or the other. I guess you could say his posts are mostly safe, but not really that scummy t'me. I know that's kinda avoiding givin' a direct answer, but probably wouldn't feel comfortable labeling the dude one way or the other.

And Sloonei man, I honestly don't know what you're tryin' to say there. I get you don't want to enforce a read on Jimmy or make people think you have to follow your read, but I think from my perspective it seems pretty obvious that ya town read the guy. Reason bein' that you haven't really contested the triad idea, keep askin' leading questions that sorta attempt to guide people towards the read, and I don't think you'd give Jimmy this much thread control if ya thought the guy was scum, eh? So I don't get why you're makin' such a big deal about not givin' a read on him.

Dyslexicon had a good point earlier by the way. I know ya guys haven't ever played with me, but I think some of my posts here are pretty hard to fake as scum just in general. I'd listen to the good man here and town read me to make the game easier on you all Hah, but if you don't wanna that's okay too. I just wanna remind you all though that cowboys are good at catchin' criminals.

Also, I accept my place in the triad with you Ilario. I was readin' over your ISO earlier and I'm thinkin' you're just town. Reason being that I think some of your ideas and posts are just too whacky to be scum and your confidence is so fire. I know I said earlier confidence could be scum-indicative, but it's the kinda confidence that's enforced for the sake of pushin' the game along and not the kind of confidence I see a wolf present in order to be town read. Dyslexicon seems like a pretty cool dude as well, high-energy and all. Not that that makes someone town, but I've seen him present a few reads or push in a few directions that I feel like would be pretty ballsy to do, also everyone else seems to town read him and I doubt the whole thread would be wrong on that sorta read since he seems to be a regular on the site.

Here's a reads list for everyone's trouble by the way (it's not ordered between tiers):

Stayposi
Ilario
Jimmy
Dyslexicon
NAA

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Dolby
Sloonei
Marmot
Falcon

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G-man
Johanna

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Lime Coke
TSP

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sig

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:43 pm Hey you know what, I appreciate the compliment Johanna. Callin' me a potential deep wolf is pretty flatterin', but I dunno if I have it in me to deceive all you nice folk the way I have been.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:17 pm Eh... If I had t'pick 4 people. Now that's really tough, but I'm gonna say right now it'd have to be...

Dizzy
Jimmy
Ilario

and for the fourth... I'm not too certain here. Maybe someone I haven't looked into too much but got good vibes from like Dolby or heck, even Johanna. That might be jumpin' the gun though. I think I'll slot Dolby in there.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:58 pm I don't know if the Johanna, ilario, Dolby, G-Man team works though. That's all three of the 0-posters day 1 in one team, which seems unlikely. Although not impossible I guess due to how thread felt before they started postin'

Johanna opens in the SoA bottom five. That seems to undergo a stark change on Day 2, when she is a sort of "first alternate" on SoA's top town reads list just behind Dolby. The progression isn't there, and I tend to wonder if SoA gave up on the prospect of suspecting her given her general purity and improving thread presence. Take that with a grain of salt.

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Do they fit?

I do wish I had a little more to talk about here. I think it looks okay from the SoA side and a little better than okay from the Johanna side with respect to dissociating the two of them, so that is where I will lean.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:55 pm Do Dolby and Johanna fit together as mafia teammates?

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Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:35 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:33 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:23 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:21 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:20 pmMarmot not sus and I didn't care about much in his iso

Lolk. Could I interest you in a delicious choice of Sig, or are you eyeing anyone else? I see that you don't have a vote down. I'm not very interested in the Marmot wagon myself, and don't particularly understand it.

Yeah, but I want to see if something else has a scummier taste first

Let's wagon Johanna. It could be fun.

[VOTE: Johanna] aubergine

how about no?

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:49 am Dizzy - looking back I think that some of the stuff that I'm worried about with JJJ applies here
falcon - don't remember a word they've said rn
G-man - same
ilario - towny, triad 2 posts better than posts near start of game
JJJ - have some level of paranoia towards here. This is most relevant in a world where G-Man and Jo are both town
Johanna - null. I don't think their day two entrance changes anything for me wrt to her either (there may be good JJJ points here). The only thing that looks even remotely bad is her characterization of TSP's behavior.
LC - vibes
Marmot - can be town
NAA - hank_scorpio_fire.gif
SOA - vibes
Sloonei - probs good
TSP - town (obv)

gn

Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:37 pm Johanna is incredibly obvious town in meta btw

Illario noticing her towniness is a good look

Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:16 pm TSP
NAA
Johanna - having played with Jo in dozens of games, and given that she isn't a fish out of water rn, I'm pretty confident in her confidence
Ilario - can explain more but something just tells me this isn't scum

idk who my next two town would be but they don't have the same level of confidence as the above

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Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:50 pm Johanna voting me and not saying anything at all about me, especially with my catch up posts, is kinda scummy from her.

Like she acknowledged it but like...at least give some kind of opinion?

Johanna is already pretty far out of scum meta imo.

Also sometimes she does just not interact with her SRs

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:11 pm @Dolby let's just simplify this to one basic question:

What's the difference between Sloonei and I that can allow your views to make sense? I am asking because I don't know, and only you can show me.

Sloonei doesn't look like he's trying to chainsaw tomorrow into me/GMan/Johanna

Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:19 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:17 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:12 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:11 pm @Dolby let's just simplify this to one basic question:

What's the difference between Sloonei and I that can allow your views to make sense? I am asking because I don't know, and only you can show me.

Sloonei doesn't look like he's trying to chainsaw tomorrow into me/GMan/Johanna

If I was interested in a "chainsaw" I wouldn't bother talking about this with you right now. If I sound like an ego-maniac, it's because I am trying to make sense of something that I, entering the dialogue, think doesn't make sense from someone I suspect who is also voting for one of my town reads. I also think Johanna is probably town. I just have room in the POE pool for one more.

I recognize that you currently townread Johanna ftr, and have them top spot of the PoE. I don't like the day one discourse surrounding all three of our slots and how it's evolved today.

Can you tell me how LC's early posts felt like TMI?

Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:49 pm

Johanna wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:48 pm 3-3-4 what the fuck is going on?

Hi Jo I decided you are a paragon of towniness

Also there's no chance that JJJ is going over bc I'm 70% sure that Marmot is moving his vote at some point

The "how about no" beginning looks like TMI at a glance. That can be well-enough corroborated by what follows -- a vague "null" read with only positive content in it and then a cascade of "obvious town" kinds of reads. That progression doesn't look terribly associated to me. I'll see how it goes from the other direction.

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Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:14 am I would appreciate NAA announcing his votes. :P

I mean I also feel pocket paranoia from ilario, but I don't know that it means anything real.

I would love to see more of Comrade Eternal President Dolby, but I haven't seen anything concerning from him atm. Waiting for more G-Man content, and nobody is being tangibly suspicious to my eyes.

If I should get the tinfoil hat I would say perhaps two people in the second triad

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Dizzy, SoA, ilario

could be partnered wolves

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or even Jay/Sloonei???

but I'd rather start looking for someone who is individually scummy, or conversely by confirming enough town,

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but I don't trust myself there.

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:24 am I always love me a good 7-way tie. @Dolby can attest to it.

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but I was Mafia in that game.

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although I do like ties regardless of alignment

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but not this kind of tie.

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:33 am I think I've said lots of things.

If what you want is reads I think SoA and Lime Coke are probably the most dubious consensus town reads, Dolby is a good bean so I want to see him around more, and I don't have anything to judge G-Man by.

TSP and SPF are my lock townreads, then JJJ, you (Sloonei), Dizzy, probably NAA goes here, Ilario, Dolby, Limey/SoA, falcon, I have no read on G-Man... and I completely forgot Marmot existed. Is that normal?

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It can't be normal

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:57 am Dolby.

and now I'm taking a break because I've been threadsitting for hours and this is exhausting.

Johanna wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:59 am To reiterate some things I've already said and some things I did not make clear but which other people have said:

I believe Jay/Sloonei are always the same alignment here.

I believe that there is a chance that either them or two of the second triad are partnered wolves

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although most likely not.

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But still there might be a wolf

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and I mean SoA.

On a different note, I find it interesting that Lime Coke and G-Man both appeared to catch up almost simultaneously. It's probably just a coincidence

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but I can't stop thinking about it.

I think that G-Man is finally here and we can actually throw reads on him. I'm interested how, in reference to the Jay/Sloonei partnership, they dissociate them completely. He has formed a list that is far from the consensus and that's something to evaluate

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though I have no idea in which direction yet.

Lime Coke has had a bizarre couple pages worth of posts, I could vote there but I am extremely averse to uncontested wagons.

I find Jay's solve to be a good PoE to start from but I will not vote for Lime Coke without a competing wagon and I would like to hear more from the other suspects.

One salient thing is how Dolby has posted quite a bit, though not as much today, and has not seemed to have a great impact. I would expect more from him as either alignment.

Finally, on the idea of partnerships, I feel if LC is a wolf his vote on falcon might be an attempt at distancing. I'm not too clear on the progression towards that vote.

Johanna wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:37 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:32 am Does anyone specifically townread either Dolby or Lime Coke? Those two players seem to be consensus scumreads, or at least exist in everyone's POE's, except for each others.

Dolby has a vibe read of Lime Coke, and Lime Coke has Dolby just outside his POE.

Some people had some townread. I haven't really seen a reason to scumread them but I hope things will become a bit clearer now that he seems to have rejoined the thread.

One thing that I couldn't help but note about G-Man's list is that, also against consensus, Dolby was placed rather high up. Unless I am misremembering. These are associative pointers, I'm just not sure how to weigh them. I feel like right now Lime's D2 is the shakiest performance we have and they make a good candidate, so I'd rather start clearing the POE from there or falcon.

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:05 am I think as stated yesterday, that JJJ and Sloonei are always the same alignment. Therefore, JJJ town.

Why is TSP alive is my biggest question. I'm not chopping an uncontested claim but still. I briefly voted G-Man after Dizzy's claim but I'm on No Vote as I try to sort out my thoughts.

I think in my first catch up post I already indicated SoA as a most likely wolf in the D1 towncore and D2 did not alleviate those suspicions so I am very happy to go there.

I always want to see more of Dolby, I stil feel like I haven't seen enough from him but I might need to bow to the consensus that he should be chopped.

I am very flip floppy on Falcon. He often feels performative but he also has many posts that ring honest.

I do not know G-Man.

I feel like J's PoE might contain up to three wolves rather than all four, but I really can't say who the fourth would be and who in the PoE would not be a wolf I think there's reasonable doubt on all of them to scum read them but also there is very little certainty.

Finally, I'm off

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to watch Dune.

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:17 pm Dolby is a good wolf, yeah. I expect better from him as either alignment, I'm a bit confused and it's why I'm so reluctant. He can be pretty active and drive discussion as town and he can put up a very townie performance as a wolf.

He is a solid option, I just... want to see more of him. It feels rather unfair to me.

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:23 pm I think Marmot was in Stardew Hydra and I'm pretty sure that's it with regards to playing with other people still alive and posting. Other than Dolby. I don't want to think he's a woof.

The immediate and developing trend here is that Johanna expects more of Dolby than she has seen (regardless of alignment). His impact has been less than she anticipates. While that's not exactly a "suspicion", it can at least be interpreted as the absence of trust -- and I think it looks like a pretty authentic progression of perspectives. These don't look like views that have been informed by or sculpted by any other conversations happening outside this game thread. I also don't get the impression this progression aligns with Dolby's treatment of her; there's no sense of coordination or agenda.

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Do they fit?

I don't think think they fit together as mafia teammates. If Dolby is mafia, I get the impression he views Johanna as a priority to deal with because they've more mutual familiarity than others have with either of them. So he has stuck the necessary town read on her literal town self to get and stay ingratiated, and she has not responded in kind (in a theoretical world where Dolby is mafia).

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:13 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:01 pm I prefer Dolby over G-Man over SOA. Like, it may matter a lot, but it also may not matter at all.

okayyyyy i trust ur judgement

vote:dolby

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:26 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:24 am If you're town and g-man and falcon are scum, you've got nothing to lose if we continue to work through the poe.

I'd just like to encourage you to look at those suspects first before branching out to the rest of the game. That is who the thread has generally agreed are the top suspects (along with you)

Read my posts.

My first post I said I don’t think falcon is mafia

That’s why I think the poe is bad

It has me and falcon and I don’t scumread falcon

I honestly don’t get why I’m bothering with this if my posts aren’t being read

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:16 am and yes, i am throwing out the poe because im town and im in the poe, so i know the poe is bad

Johanna wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:32 am Is there a way to not get emails every time someone replies to the thread?

I've looked in Settings but I couldn't find anything.

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:54 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:08 am You towncased me on Day 2 when Sloonei wanted my head, did you change your mind ilario?

not yet, i think as a wolf u would probably prioritize voting me over gman today.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:16 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:53 pm If G-Man and ilario are the final two mafia, falcon might end up with a perfect voting record.

Don't jinx it!

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:04 pm 'Threading the needle' is still an apt description for Johanna's ISO in my eyes. She has been very steady and consistent, but never aggressive. She reads, thinks, and responds. She seems to have a dry, cheeky sense of humor, which matches the subdued tone of he game-related content. I said before that I would like to see her rock the boat a little, but that doesn't seem to be her M.O. here. Her on-point content suits me better than a few other folks, but she still feels a little too at-the-radar for me to embrace her as a full townread.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:23 pm Final legacy:

I believe Dolby will flip mafia. If he somehow does not, then the entire game needs to be reassessed. That doesn't mean we have a free pass to panic; it could still be a reasonably POE-friendly scenario. But it does mean players will have to engage immediately and leave no stones unturned.

If Dolby does flip mafia, then I believe the most likely final two mafia are G-Man and ilario. My stance on that team increases with every minute that ilario doesn't make an appearance in this game. We're all busy sometimes, but we're at 24 hours into Day 4 now. At a certain point avoidance and morale must be considered. Stay the course until there is a good reason apparent that it shouldn't be stayed.

If that is not the team, then falcon would be my first fallback. Try your best regardless townies to stay awake, because if we're wrong anywhere then the best thing the mafia can have happen is for the thread to fall asleep.

Marmot is my top non-confirmed town read. Tony remains confirmed without a counter. Dizzy is my second-strongest town read, followed by NAA and Johanna who are comparable.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:18 pm Jesus Christ himself has spoken. End the day.