The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:23 am Hey didn't Sprityo say that sabie was a Jagged Blade and then sabie tried to say Doc was but turns out Doc wasn't?

This whole thing has been explained a bunch of times over and over. The statement says I was with a jagged blade not I am one. I know that I am not a baddie so someone near me with me whatever was. I also explained that I am trying to not overshare information that I am not allowed to due to rules violations as long con just pointed out.

Also I clearly told everyone that I was working at a wrestling event all day and would not be around.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:11 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:08 am Well this entire lynch was really weird.

Was it not? It seemed like people were trying to get lynched. And do we know for sure that quin isn't bad if he was unable to be lynched?

Well this entire lynch was really weird.

I've already stated I'm voting quin and im keeping it there. I really cant participate tonight I'm working at a wrestling event and wont be able to post.

Okay so theres not much discussion going on today. I'm leaning on a quin vote. He defended sig who I also think is bad. He changed his vote to wolbre in the first poll and finding out he was civ was like it would have been funny if he was bad though. He votes for epi and I really didnt see any case for that. I haven't really seen much of a case for anything from him so far he also did a lot of distancing in the beginning.

So reading through the posts some people brought up the yin yang thing. How wary should we be of them? And would it behoove us to perhaps figure out who they are if one of them could possibly be recruited by a baddie team?

Anyone have any thoughts on nova appearing all of a sudden out of nowhere day 3?

Nova welcome to the game. Have you been hiding from us? Why do you think quin is bad?

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:31 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:10 am

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:06 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:23 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:16 pm I think that Sabie would be a poor choice for the lynch. For multiple reasons

State these reasons.

This so-called Sprityo scumslip. I have reasons, provided by my contact, who has joined in the crowd to condemn me, to doubt that the truth is being told. Look into Sprityo's possible ulterior motives.

I highly doubt Sprityo is lying about the crazy old woman and her message. The way the info was shared in multiple ways, makes me trust that it was very likely real. That said, whether what the crazy old woman said was fully or at all true or not remains to be seen. And, either way, that does not clear sprityo.

You, on the other hand, I see no reason to trust. Like, at all.

I would very highly suggest that everyone not listen to a single word that crazy old lady says if they want to, y'know, win this friggin' game.

Did you also encounter this crazy lady?

ugh I'm sick guys i think a bad cold so I have gotten to that point where I'm reading the same sentence over and over and getting nowhere trying to still keep up but I need a lot of sleep so I may not be on as much

There have been people close to me but like I said trying not to over share. Info dumping meta whatever you guys call all that. I was wrong about him using that so I'm not solely going to use that argument against anyone else who may have been around me. I'd rather do the usual make a case and if I have other info it helps boost the case. I'm sure other people here have found out info whether through powers or items or random old ladies on the map and haven't instantly decided to share all of it with everyone. It doesnt seem like a smart plan to do that.

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:42 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:40 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:38 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:25 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:20 pm It's not impossible if you consider what he said, that his faction can win with town.

So I guess he entered helpful indie mode at a time when that wasn't a good idea.

Either that or he is some immortal indie like that Quintessential Cat.

Rules say scum can’t win with town though. Anyway, every time town and scum teamup, scum bites town in the ass for it.

I still think Enrique is the cat and I would normal throw a fit about this except 1) 3P players here pinch hit for the town for some reason 2) cat has multiple lives 3) I have like 9 other suspects.

I don't see any other instances of you claiming this in the thread, Jack.

I may not have said so on the thread but I am a social butterfly.

I'm jealous.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:39 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:32 pm sabie let the whole thread view her as incriminating Wilgy and never said anything. Even now she's still dodgy about it.

[VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

What have I been dodgey about? I respond when people ask me things.

Did you have any reason to believe Wilgy was near you or was the person / jagged blade referenced in sprit's info? You've expressed concern over the game rules before so a "yes/no" answer is enough if you're not comfortable beyond that.

Yes I thought that was very heavily implied.

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:32 pm sabie let the whole thread view her as incriminating Wilgy and never said anything. Even now she's still dodgy about it.

[VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

What have I been dodgey about? I respond when people ask me things.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]
So I never really got a chance to comment on your list of 5 people. I dont recall if you explained exactly where you got the list but my thought was you may have gotten some info regarding their proximity in location to nutella (whether through role power or item or some other map related thing) and you're trying to figure out which one of them targeted them. Or at least that's what makes sense to me. If you had a different explanation and I missed it please let me know. So if that is the case I'd be willing to look into them further. Out of that list I think quin and Luna seemed the most suspicious to me. I feel like Jack's suspicions may have been gleaned from map proximity as well just in regards to DH

Spirit I feel like barring any possible manufacturing of his info he seems to truly believe his misguided idea of what it means. That doesnt necessarily make him bad just incorrect. Luna jumped on it real quick though and voted for me without taking any other possible meanings into consideration. She then decided to change her mind and agree that she thought wilgy was bad.

There are a few people who have not really participated. Nova seems like maybe some secret thing we dont know about because he still hasn't been replaced or taken out of the game?
Dana sorsha and gman all have expressed being really busy and have very few posts so not much to go on.



I just dont have a lot of reads on people because I find this game ro be really hard to follow at times.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:07 pm @sabie12

You were seen with a jagged blade by @sprityo, right?

Has anyone considered you may have shared a square with a goon? Who have you been with?

This is what I've been trying to say the whole time that there was a baddie either in the same square or next to me. This is why I think spirit is interpreting the info incorrectly. I recieved some info on some peoples map locations so based on that I have some people I suspect both of that and of targeting DH. I dont know that I can directly say I shared a square with whoever because that may be bordering on rules violations which is why I haven't directly shared that information. As I said the "info dumping" thing is new to me and confuses me a little on how much info is allowed to be shared.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:49 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:28 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:10 am Depending on a number of things, the actual killer might be confined to Sprityo, Speedchuck, Sig.

Are you sure you can count on that number of things?

Also aren't there two people who attacked DH?

Call me 85% sure of the things.

Yeah and they appear to be aligned so they probably didn’t both nightkill DH. Regardless, I put the second scum player almost certainly in the larger group.

Better to lynch from a 1 or 2 out of 2 person POE than a 2 out of 6 POE.

I'm leaning more towards sig on this one from what I have seen. I think sig targeted dh

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:17 am In response to the notion that there’s no real case against Sabie other than the old lady: I’ve made a few comments when I read something pingy, but the gist is that I think the way Sabie has reacted to pressure and to the alleged info is really scummy. You can go read her ISO and decide for yourself.

So if I'm too calm and confident in saying I'm not bad that makes me bad and if I defend myself that makes me bad. I just believe someone is trying to frame me and they are using this old lady info and just running with it. No one even responds to any of my accusations or thoughts on anything. Everyone just says an old woman used sabie and jagged blade in the same sentence let's just go make assumptions from that to make a case against sabie and mislynch her.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:29 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:54 am I saw a few people still accusing me. I wonder is it based on any kind of actual argument or just the crazy lady who people are very much interpreting incorrectly. Also just want to know if that info came from the hosts then how was it able to be shared in the thread as a direct quote? Isn't that not allowed? If people think I'm bad because I voted wilgy I made an argument for why I thought he was bad. I also wasnt the only one who believed he was bad. As a civ you go off what you think is baddie behavior but you dont know for sure. It was an honest mistake. Unless there was some trickery going on but again that also is uncertain.

“I’m not scum and the info is wrong, but if it’s not, isn’t it against the rules to reveal it?”

Tantalizing as other lynches may be, I really don’t see myself voting for anyone but Sabie today.

[VOTE: SABIE] aubergine

No you misinderstand why I asked that. I asked if they werent supposed to directly quote the message then maybe the message wasnt actually directly quoted. As in it could have been misconstrued. Like paraphrasing things to make it sound different on purpose. If that was the wording though I still see it as meaning there was a baddie next to me. I'm just saying people are very quick to believe their interpretation of what may have been said by a mad old lady on the woods rather than put together any kind of actual argument against me.

So another baddie got night killed. I mean as people say it could be possible they werent if the trickster is still involved somehow but it's hard to tell that for sure. And yeah I thought gentle shepherd looked like a civ role too. Now that we know it's not its even more uncertain how many of the roles are which alignment.


I saw a few people still accusing me. I wonder is it based on any kind of actual argument or just the crazy lady who people are very much interpreting incorrectly. Also just want to know if that info came from the hosts then how was it able to be shared in the thread as a direct quote? Isn't that not allowed? If people think I'm bad because I voted wilgy I made an argument for why I thought he was bad. I also wasnt the only one who believed he was bad. As a civ you go off what you think is baddie behavior but you dont know for sure. It was an honest mistake. Unless there was some trickery going on but again that also is uncertain.


Also also I am wary of sig. Have been since the first lynch. He has a few people very quick to defend him (teammates?) and his back and forth behavior on lynch one trying to tie things up then going after wolbre who flipped civ. Then the next lynch he was the only one who voted DH who then had someone target him the next night. His argument for accusing me didnt really make any sense either. Just assuming I played on other sites with info dumping yet he said in response to spirityos info dump about me that yes that must be true and must mean sabie is bad. Instead of looking at it as it could be false or have a different meaning. He also believed juliet's was civ. I wish I could copy past all these things but I cant on the phone but if you look at the iso you'll see what I mean.

I have a concert to go to tonight so I won't really be here.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:48 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:13 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:32 pm Told you wiggly was good also WE NEED TO STOP WITH CFD SHIT!!!!!!
It rarely helps town and had basically resulted in two civs dead.

We need to lynch sab shes mafia or a baddie no way around that.
She's also newer to TS and have played on other sites correct? If those sites allow infoduming which I'm sure they do then she's probably very skilled at deflecting info that plus peoples bias to infodunping here is why shes still alive and we lynched a civ.

Actually I've never played on another site I was on this site playing from 2014 to 2016 so all this info dumping stuff is completely new to me I dont remember that being a thing before. I've explained a few times that I was here then had a brain tumor and was out of the game for awhile and came back recently. I dont know how any of that led you to the conclusions you're making now.

You're just so skilled I assumed you had experience on other sites.

Either way consider it a compliment I think you handled the accusation really well in a scum way.

Nice backhanded compliment there. I just know I'm playing an honest game and I'm not lying which is why I come off so calm about everything. Being civ I dont have to lie about anything I know I'm good and I'm playing the best I can.

Also what am I deflecting and is there a difference between mafia and baddies? aren't they the same thing?

Also also assuming things about my life and what I do outside of this site is not really an argument against me is it?

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:32 pm Told you wiggly was good also WE NEED TO STOP WITH CFD SHIT!!!!!!
It rarely helps town and had basically resulted in two civs dead.

We need to lynch sab shes mafia or a baddie no way around that.
She's also newer to TS and have played on other sites correct? If those sites allow infoduming which I'm sure they do then she's probably very skilled at deflecting info that plus peoples bias to infodunping here is why shes still alive and we lynched a civ.

Actually I've never played on another site I was on this site playing from 2014 to 2016 so all this info dumping stuff is completely new to me I dont remember that being a thing before. I've explained a few times that I was here then had a brain tumor and was out of the game for awhile and came back recently. I dont know how any of that led you to the conclusions you're making now.

I'm sure the poll is some kind of trick question but I'll go with 0.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:00 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:52 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:50 pm Oh wait, nevermind that was the rules/playerlist/op. Seems like everyone got that.

What?

Is joke.

"X might be bad" is literally the idea of the game. The OP gives us a list of players to go to town on.

Tranq's info that "Wilgy might be bad" is really, really odd.

I wasn't sure if he was making that up or had reason to believe some info he got meant that.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:50 pm Oh wait, nevermind that was the rules/playerlist/op. Seems like everyone got that.

What?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:28 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:53 am Just popping in for a second. I also was referring to the hollow man role that can appear civ when lynched. Its possible. Or it's possible we were just wrong. Wilgy never bothered to defend himself or do anything really so it's hard to tell. I will have to look more into the 5 people sloonei was suspecting and see where the tranq thing came from as it happened pretty quick. I had been suspecting quin before so I'll have to look more closely there. I think the inh suspicion comes from being unsure where his info came from all of a sudden out of nowhere at the end of the day after not being around for awhile and everyone thinking he was silenced. This end if day was weird to say the least.

Why does it feel like every post you make is formatted in those carefully constructed 5-6 line paragraphs that make a bunch of short comments in a few subjects each?

Just a random thought.

That's just how I talk. I have to try to type everything out on a phone and it's easier if I just try to get all my thoughts in one post rather than keep trying to go back. I cant really do a lot of copy pasting or going back and forth between pages and all that. I'm too poor to buy a laptop unfortunately.

Also I had been suspecting wilgy prior to all the other stuff happening because he was being sketchy. He placed a vote with no explanation then disappeared all day long then he said some weird things like he didnt even care if he got lynched and never defended himself. Only argument I got for not voting him was oh he does that sometimes. So if someone does sketchy things that normally is not deemed acceptable enough times it's now fine I guess.

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:49 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:50 am I dont know all I know is someone is messing with me and has it out for me and that little bit of map info is making people suspect me when it really does not say I'm bad. People haven't made any case against me other than here is some really vague info we choose to interpret incorrectly and we will automatically assume sabie is bad now. I am not bad so someone is trying to make me look that way to get suspicion off of themselves.

You still have not responded to what is being asked of you. You strongly implied that Wilgy was with or near you on the map or had been. Thst information is a huge reason for many of his votes. are you now denying that you implied that and that you just thought he was guilty because he was sketchy? Please answer.

After reading the rules I see I'm really not supposed to directly answer that. That's why I haven't responded.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:33 am I just went and read some of the roles.

... Why are we assuming TH was actually the trickster?

There was some speculation that the trickster is still out there since his kill can be forged he also can make information skewed in his favor. I am more apt to believe that now that this information has been given and is leading people in the wrong direction.

The gman thing I was just trying to ask someone to condense the argument on him because there was so much going on I just didnt follow it. I was not defending him I was just asking someone to condense it so i knew what was up. I honestly didnt read his iso or anything so chalk it up to laziness on my part.

I dont know all I know is someone is messing with me and has it out for me and that little bit of map info is making people suspect me when it really does not say I'm bad. People haven't made any case against me other than here is some really vague info we choose to interpret incorrectly and we will automatically assume sabie is bad now. I am not bad so someone is trying to make me look that way to get suspicion off of themselves.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:55 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:38 am Wilgy could be the Hollow Man. That one appears as a random civ when lynched

I guess this is possible, but what would be the odds of losing both false front roles in the first few days? Possible, but I dunno. I would expect Sabie to be more freaked out that he flipped like he did if she believed him to be bad, as opposed to herself. Her reaction is more "meh, oh well, time to move on I guess".

I don't love the info any more than you do, but it IS out there, so can't ignore it.

Linki, what lie? I thought that was a crack about info dumping. And INH is a force of nature. An unusual nature, but you can't really take him at face value. He does and says his own thing always, and I won't auto-susp him for saying something quirky and provocative.

I have played with both of them for a long time, I might not read them the same as you do.

I do feel bad about being wrong about wilgy and that I let myself be convinced he was bad if he wasn't. I guess him being so nonchalant and absent most of the game made the whole thing a little more meh for everyone. As people were saying the end if day was not as lively and exciting as it can sometimes be. Usually the people being accused at least come in and defend themselves and a conversation happens. That didnt really happen this time. No one else really has had a strong reaction to his death either that I saw unless I missed it. But again I'm sorry I was wrong. Both lynches have not gone great for us so hoping for better results next time.
It seemed like everyone was pretty quick to move on to the next thing. Especially with INH coming in with a bunch of posts out of nowhere.

Just popping in for a second. I also was referring to the hollow man role that can appear civ when lynched. Its possible. Or it's possible we were just wrong. Wilgy never bothered to defend himself or do anything really so it's hard to tell. I will have to look more into the 5 people sloonei was suspecting and see where the tranq thing came from as it happened pretty quick. I had been suspecting quin before so I'll have to look more closely there. I think the inh suspicion comes from being unsure where his info came from all of a sudden out of nowhere at the end of the day after not being around for awhile and everyone thinking he was silenced. This end if day was weird to say the least.

Interesting that votes were missing and also that INH appeared out of nowhere. Wondering what people think this night poll means? Did the last one do anything?

Im sorry I really thought he was bad based on his behavior and everything. If he really was that role it sounds like a super helpful role he could have utilized a lot more had he participated. Although I know there is that one that can fake a role when lynched. Also I guess I missed something on where the tranq thing came from all of a sudden. I'll have to look. Falling asleep soon I wasnt planning on staying up this late. Also if that crazy lady is right and there is a baddie near me I guess I'm probably doomed sigh. Or the info was all completely made up and skewed.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:49 pm ok a couple thoughts

i believe sprityo is being honest about what he experienced, in the woods, with the woods woman, mainly cus it would be a ludicrous thing to lie about. i don't necessarily think that i trust information coming from a character that's described as a crazy old lady that lives in a forest to be completely 100% accurate since BR and LC put a lot of thought into balance, but i think it's worth keeping in mind as a data point nonetheless.

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as far as sabie herself goes, her response to sprit''s accusation was very calm, she didn't seem particularly panicked and she didn't accuse sprityo of lying or anything like that. this could go either way for me cus if she was bad and knew the accusation was true, then she might realize that going after sprityo instead would backfire so going after the info source as unreliable might be more effective. alternatively she might just generally be a cool cucumber.

i would be interested in seeing anecdotes of her responding to similar situations in the past, if anyone knows of any.

How would you want me to react? Get all angry and annoyed? It doesnt say I'm bad but that a person that was with me was bad. I dont think hes making anything up to accuse me I think he truly believed his incorrect interpretation of the information. He's just wrong.

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:37 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:35 pm Why Wilgert?

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

If the mady woman's information is cryptic/indirect, sabie seems to be implicating wilgy. Plus, DH's points on wilgy are not insubstantial.

Luna's hasty support of sprit's info has knocked her down a peg in my eye. I still town read her, but I'm a little concerned by that.

I looked at the sabie/Wilgy thing. Basically on Day 1 she went really quick from "I can't tell why people suspect Wilgy, he just voted and left" to "I suspect Wilgy, he just voted and left". I don't think it reflects great on her or that it has anything to do with sprit's stuff tbh (and she can maybe correct me a little bit or dig more into her case? I don't think it's a lot more than that).

I never said I can't tell why people suspect wilgy. I said I can't see a reason not to.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:52 pm @sabie12 what's your mafia background?

I joined in 2014 played some games stopped being active in 2016 had a brain tumor and dealt with that for awhile then came back. I don't really know what you want to know. I've played with a few people on here before.

People are discussing the info dumping thing and Even just not having been here for awhile I feel like this info dumping thing is new. I always thought you had to make a case based on how people post and vote and all that and the info you got could help make your case without sharing it but I guess the rules kinda changed on that.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:05 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:57 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:50 pm Nevermind Sabie I dunno if legally you can answer that

I dont know if I legally can either but I think I've made it pretty clear indirectly.

yeah, I don't know if I buy this. Sprityo asked if any shady characters had been by that way. The woods lady says, "yeah, I saw sabie with a jagged blade." If sabie were just standing on the square, minding her own business when an actual baddie happens by (like she claims), the wood lady would have told sprityo the other name instead of sabie's.

I dont think that's true. It says "with" meaning there was a person with me. If the info was given by the hosts I think it was intentionally ambiguous as to not completely give eveything away. From what I know of the hosts they're not going to make things that easy and just say this person is bad. It has a different meaning from the way he was interpreting it.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:50 pm Nevermind Sabie I dunno if legally you can answer that

I dont know if I legally can either but I think I've made it pretty clear indirectly.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:45 pm Im willing to bet my theory is correct. Trusting strange old women in the woods sounds sound to me

I'm willing to bet her info was correct you are just interpreting it wrong. Thanks for sharing helped confirm my suspicions.

Sorsha wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:32 pm Put a vote on wilgy for now. Maybe he will come out of hiding again?

Maybe but even when he did last time he was very nonchalant about everything like oh I have votes okay whatever I dont care bye. I feel like usually people who don't post much explain that they're busy or something. And typically at least attempt to defend themselves. He voted no explanation and then disappears and comes back with just wanted to tie things up and then nothing.


And spirityo that sounds like a baddie was near me not that I'm a baddie. I now see you are just misinterpreting the info given to you.

Moving my vote to wilgy.

Interesting I wonder who is out there giving out incorrect information about me. I'm curious to know what was said maybe it was taken the wrong way. I'm assuming the old lady in the woods is something regarding the map.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:53 am @Quin I did not really understand the case you were making, I thought it was too esoteric. Now I understand better and will reread.

Also I want to ask a general question. I see that some general things about gameplay have changed. It used to be that the first day, everyone was all over the map, but then the town started to coalesce and work together. That seems to not be the case anymore. Not just this game, in other games I have read in to check against the games of people playing here as well.

Is this new Mafia thought, cast a wider net, catch more fish? I will say it is harder to follow peoples suspicions and thoughts when there are 30 players and 20 suspicions. I am finding it harder to follow, as few people are really commenting on other peoples suspicions, on just on the suspects of one or two other people.

Or will it settle down, it just takes longer now?

I am kind of with you there this game is a lot more all over the place than what I remember from a few years ago when I used to play. I just figured it was just because I haven't been here in awhile and don't know a lot of people anymore. Could just be the mix of playstyles present I currently.

Oh okay I thought maybe that was it or then I was like wait did I read her post wrong? Regardless I am leaning towards either spirityo or wilgy at this point. I've explained my thoughts on wilgy. Spirityo has nothing in their posts so far of any substance. Nothing speculating on reads on people or anything. Seems like a way to keep suspicion off of them. I didnt see where they address why they didnt participate in the first lynch poll either when they were otherwise involved in the game. Could that have been blocked by someone or just a lack of wanting to be accountable for a vote? He also didnt explain why he all of a sudden out of nowhere was suspicious of me. It could have been anyone and I still would have found it sketchy because theres no explanation and nothing shared prior about anything. His random suspicion made me look st the ISO and I'm not really a fan of it. Svs also makes a good point about the responses with TH. I have to work so my vote will go there for now but I will keep up with what happens throughout the day.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:36 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:03 am [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

A hunch, i want to pursue later.

Why not pursue it now?

I just read your ISO, it didn't take long. A lot of fluff, and lurking, and trying to freak people out over the Trickster. That was a fun trick like 5 or 6 years ago when we first started playing with Seemer roles (I think it was Nutella who first did it at the Piano, in a "Make Your Own Role" game?). Whip the civvies into a frenzy over was/wasn't the Seemer dead in order to make them distrust their own judgment, and thus easier to steer. I got caught out at it in a game at RM by DH maybe, and that was that. I never did that again. but it catches my eye bigtime.

You remind me of me, you precocious little devil.

[VOTE: Sprityo] aubergine

You seemed to agree with me that spirityo seems sketchy but then put your vote on me? I'm confused.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:03 am [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

A hunch, i want to pursue later.

So as of right now I am the only person spirityo has accused the entire game. I don't even see a vote from them in the first lynch poll. They haven't even really shared any thoughts on anyone yet. I'm all for speculating about gameplay and roles and everything because I also do that but usually by this point in the game some of the speculation is regarding players and reads on players. Just find that interesting.

I am still not convinced wilgy isnt bad. Unless he just really doesn't care about this game at all he didn't even put up any defense about being accused or voted for. And he still really hasn't been around. It also now seems like maybe TH was defending him.

I was just speculating if TH was the trickster could he have killed nutella and someone killed him. I dont know if that really impacts anything but it would be an interesting turn of events if it did happen that way.

Can someone condense the argument on g man so I can get a better idea of where that is coming from? I didnt really get much from trying to read him before.



I know I haven't posted much there is a lot to follow and I get busy with work and things. I've been keeping up best I can though at least with reading everything.

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:24 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:53 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:59 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:28 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:16 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm I discuss what I personally deem interesting/important.

Point 1 being I made this role concept the trickster is based off of. And I have most definitely seen it used to make a town flip as mafia looking (@ quin)

Point 2: mechanically speaking the mafia would make the town less on guard, which would further present itself as a problem later on in the game. If the trickster is still alive and can forge roles, the mafia could fake even more kills and possibly their own deaths again.

The only true way to lie detect someone who is now dead is having a mortician or someone to confirm the dead’s identity, aka what I pointed out with lycantha

Until they find TH’s body we won’t be 100% sure that we actually was the trickster

What is the desired outcome of discussing this for civs?

Awareness, information to keep in mind

That’s all. I can’t be every player in the game so I have to make sure everyone can at least consider and dismiss or approve of information I think is relevant

It's an interesting idea sprityo, one I certainly hadn't thought of. The thing I don't understand though is can a forger forge and identity like "Trickster"? I thought they only forged alignment. I haven't played many games with forgers so maybe I'm just confused.

Sorry haven't been around much working and sleeping and then now I have a starfinder game tonight.

I was thinking about how that actually works. What does forging a kill actually mean in the context of this game? I mean I guess if the trickster can make it look like they were the one killed no one would suspect they're still out there. Also if forging means they can make whoever they kill seem whatever role and alignment they want then initially saying their own would not cause anyone to be like hey wait I'm that role they're lying or whatnot.
And also just a game mechanic question that I attempted to ask last game but I dont think anyone answered. If TH was the trickster and targeted someone would his death cancel out that kill or would they still have been killed? As in could he have killed nutella and someone killed him or is that not how that works? Sorry if that's a dumb question I just don't know.

Also this salad posting thing I've never heard before. Is it a problem to list out reads on people? I thought that was like a part of the game.

Usually powers go through upon death.

In this case, it wouldn’t make sense what you outline. Why would he name that role for LA? You seem to understand the role just fine at first, but then you are putting out confusing ideas.

I just didnt know what forge means exactly. My wording is probably not good sorry. I was merely saying if the trickster forges a kill and it says whoever they killed is a role of someone who is still alive then that person who is that role will know that was false. So it's something they could really only get away with once unless they have a team and just pretend the baddie team is being killed off when its civs.

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:02 pm Hey guys, I'm really confused by this game, the roles don't have an alignment linked to them. Am I a civvie?

Just thought it was a really weird statement.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:14 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:05 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:03 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:00 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:59 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:55 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:27 am Sloonei is probably not the main person we're looking for but this is really funny regardless and I'm not opposed to leaving my vote there.

Am I the only one who's concerned about this post? What does it mean that "Sloonei is probably not the main person we're looking for"? Are there "main" scum players that are supposed to be pursued over the others? If Sloonei is not the "main" target then who is? What does this post mean, Enrique?

It means you probably don't figure in my win conditions.

okay then

Who is the main person we're looking for?

Does "Jagged Blade" ring a bell?

And then goes on to say hes confused by roles and alignments saying am I civ? Found it all weird and confusing.

Anyone have thoughts on this or is this just like randomness and jokes that I don't understand? I know theres lots of random inside jokes here that I don't get.

I am not sure what you are asking.

I guess I just didnt understand what was going on here or am I just not meant to?
And the asking about alignments and Am I civ? thing didnt know if that was just a joke or something.

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:03 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:00 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:59 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:55 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:27 am Sloonei is probably not the main person we're looking for but this is really funny regardless and I'm not opposed to leaving my vote there.

Am I the only one who's concerned about this post? What does it mean that "Sloonei is probably not the main person we're looking for"? Are there "main" scum players that are supposed to be pursued over the others? If Sloonei is not the "main" target then who is? What does this post mean, Enrique?

It means you probably don't figure in my win conditions.

okay then

Who is the main person we're looking for?

Does "Jagged Blade" ring a bell?

And then goes on to say hes confused by roles and alignments saying am I civ? Found it all weird and confusing.

Anyone have thoughts on this or is this just like randomness and jokes that I don't understand? I know theres lots of random inside jokes here that I don't get.