The Syndicate

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:17 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:12 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:07 pm Back on topic:

Lucy is in finals week right now, which explains her absence, but has had enough wherewithal to post a few snarky one-liners today like:
‘You’re not allowed to post when dead’
‘I can’t read’
‘Neon is scum’

What can I do with that?

I think Lucy is bad and her partner is probably already voting her.

With bad lucy, I’d be willing to write off Neon, Rondo and falcon.

If Lucy a bad her partner is Falcon honestly I don’t know what is with everyone wanting to clear Falcon for terrible reasons.

I just don’t see falcon’s play with Vivax and Lucy as partners as compatible as I can see someone trying to deepwolf. I know it looks obvious but like…I feel like falcon would have played harder or something if we already suspected his 2 potential partners in Vivax/lucy yesterday.

I am not clearing him, I just find it more likely from an optimal winning mafia strategy for there to be a deepwolf

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:16 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:11 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:07 pm Back on topic:

Lucy is in finals week right now, which explains her absence, but has had enough wherewithal to post a few snarky one-liners today like:
‘You’re not allowed to post when dead’
‘I can’t read’
‘Neon is scum’

What can I do with that?

I think Lucy is bad and her partner is probably already voting her.

With bad lucy, I’d be willing to write off Neon, Rondo and falcon.

Why do you think her partner is on her already? And, if Lucy flips town how does that change this?

The only person in my PoE on Lucy right now is Splints.

It makes sense for her partner to be involved with bussing her for cred at this point. Otherwise, they’re just a hanging dingleberry for endgame.

I mean, of course if Lucy is town this changes things. I’d still lean falcon as the scum if not lucy. Though that would leave another most likely deep wolf, but different interactions and different confidences for potential deep wolves.

It also sounds like Neon has been setting up ‘if Lucy flips town, Scotty is wolf’ so hopefully we won’t have to deal with that bullsuit, but I’m for sure apparently a potential deepwolf for pushing townlucy

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:13 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:12 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:07 pm Back on topic:

Lucy is in finals week right now, which explains her absence, but has had enough wherewithal to post a few snarky one-liners today like:
‘You’re not allowed to post when dead’
‘I can’t read’
‘Neon is scum’

What can I do with that?

I think Lucy is bad and her partner is probably already voting her.

With bad lucy, I’d be willing to write off Neon, Rondo and falcon.

If Lucy a bad her partner is Falcon honestly I don’t know what is with everyone wanting to clear Falcon for terrible reasons.

I want to clear falcon for terrible reasons because I have suspected him a lot for terrible reasons and been wrong.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:07 pm Back on topic:

Lucy is in finals week right now, which explains her absence, but has had enough wherewithal to post a few snarky one-liners today like:
‘You’re not allowed to post when dead’
‘I can’t read’
‘Neon is scum’

What can I do with that?

I think Lucy is bad and her partner is probably already voting her.

With bad lucy, I’d be willing to write off Neon, Rondo and falcon.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:07 pm Back on topic:

Lucy is in finals week right now, which explains her absence, but has had enough wherewithal to post a few snarky one-liners today like:
‘You’re not allowed to post when dead’
‘I can’t read’
‘Neon is scum’

What can I do with that?

I think Lucy is bad and her partner is probably already voting her.

With bad lucy, I’d be willing to write off Neon, Rondo and falcon.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:58 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:54 pm And goddamn it THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!!!!

my favorite post in this game, may be a new signature <3[

If it's ok S~V~S?/OT]
Reading..... going to miss Kate/ Batman this game. I have so few in my trust circle.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:57 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:39 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:30 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:27 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:21 pm I’ll look to expand on this, but since we’re playing Nostradamus with preflipping people, I think most likely deepwolves if Lucy is bad are, in order:
Dennis > Golden > Neon.

I think Neon is a streeeetch because even though she says she has had to hard defend her wolfmates before, this is laying it on a bit too thick to be compatible.

Dennis is someone that continues to echo my thoughts and most reads in this game and its bugging me out

My deepwolves would be Dennis, rondo.

I’m not really in on any world where neon is wolf. And I do believe she is within ‘wolf range’ although I think her self-reason for saying she isn’t is probably genuine.

Call this a ‘golden spotting a kindred spirit’ read. I have more confidence in that, than I have in Kate’s read of Dennis, and that’s saying something because I am putting a lot of weight on Kate’s read of Dennis.

I think having a read on your family is one thing in general practice- I would hazard to say that playing a first mafia game with lying and deceit…might surprise a family member that thinks they know that person like the back of their foot

Which side of your foot is the back?

Is that not the phrase?

Edit: it is not. When I google ‘like the back of my foot’ I get a WebMD condition for Achilles tendinitis.

It’s back of your hand. Duh. Come on everybody, everybody knows that well known phrase. Come on.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:35 pm I say we flashwagon Dennis.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:30 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:27 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:21 pm I’ll look to expand on this, but since we’re playing Nostradamus with preflipping people, I think most likely deepwolves if Lucy is bad are, in order:
Dennis > Golden > Neon.

I think Neon is a streeeetch because even though she says she has had to hard defend her wolfmates before, this is laying it on a bit too thick to be compatible.

Dennis is someone that continues to echo my thoughts and most reads in this game and its bugging me out

My deepwolves would be Dennis, rondo.

I’m not really in on any world where neon is wolf. And I do believe she is within ‘wolf range’ although I think her self-reason for saying she isn’t is probably genuine.

Call this a ‘golden spotting a kindred spirit’ read. I have more confidence in that, than I have in Kate’s read of Dennis, and that’s saying something because I am putting a lot of weight on Kate’s read of Dennis.

I think having a read on your family is one thing in general practice- I would hazard to say that playing a first mafia game with lying and deceit…might surprise a family member that thinks they know that person like the back of their foot

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:21 pm I’ll look to expand on this, but since we’re playing Nostradamus with preflipping people, I think most likely deepwolves if Lucy is bad are, in order:
Dennis > Golden > Neon.

I think Neon is a streeeetch because even though she says she has had to hard defend her wolfmates before, this is laying it on a bit too thick to be compatible.

Dennis is someone that continues to echo my thoughts and most reads in this game and its bugging me out

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:20 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:20 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:16 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:15 pm I don’t want to presuppose that both falcon and Lucy are bad, and Neon is right in that the wolves aren’t giving a lot of options to win if lucy is bad. It really only makes sense if falcon is just playing in a hole and he’s just hoping town will cannibalize themselves looking at deep wolves or there really is a deepwolf that is sitting pretty. We’ll get there when we get there

I don't think it's Falcon.

I’m trying to parse out the world where both mafia and doc target Falcon on night three and… it seems so unlikely but that’s what it feels like Sean is angling for.

My read on Falcon is a purely social read.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:16 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:15 pm I don’t want to presuppose that both falcon and Lucy are bad, and Neon is right in that the wolves aren’t giving a lot of options to win if lucy is bad. It really only makes sense if falcon is just playing in a hole and he’s just hoping town will cannibalize themselves looking at deep wolves or there really is a deepwolf that is sitting pretty. We’ll get there when we get there

I don't think it's Falcon.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:13 pm Lucy talking about mata:

Spoiler: show

<<<Day 1>>>

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:09 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:25 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:03 pm Here's that rainbow list that no one asked for. Players are listed alphabetically in tiers.

Town

S~V~S
Dennis

Light Town

falcon45ca
Kate
Sabiplz
Scotty

Null or No Content

bea
DrWilgy
fingersplints
jack shepherd
lucy
Roxy
Seanzie
Soneji

Mafia Lean

Golden
Matahari



And to include a recap on players I haven't talked about yet that I have now sorted into tiers:

falcon45ca: I also don't really trust Golden, albeit might be for different reasons. His vibes don't strike me as hitting the notes of his scum game.

Scotty: Has been active and prodding, and also mostly harmless. I think of the townleans I have, his is the least strongest, but GTH, I do think he's town, and I have seen enough content from him to slot him here for now.

Matahari: Some of her thoughts that she posted in #529 lack direction. That is fine. But I get the feeling that she is pushing herself to talk about players when she doesn't have anything specific to say about them. Soneji in particular.

I just did an iso of matahari.

I have to say that a mata/falcon/soneji team would check out based on her posts alone. And I think this post from marmot about mata is actually pretty good.

bad post

<<<Day 3>>>

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:23 pm

bea wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:48 am @lucy and splinsy. I am sorry i missed one. I am so tired

splints/sonej/mata in any order are fine

i'll copy svs's read on roxy for the moment

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:41 pm [VOTE: Bea] aubergine

i don't like the mata wagon, ole' reliable vote since d1, that is suspiciously hard to vote out

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:30 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:27 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:24 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:23 pm Like, yknow, this stuff is the reason the old school players aren’t letting up on you.

i've made a decision to hold back no longer

Then speak plainly. Do you think a scotty elim is what we should do today?

assuming i'm kingmaker then i would honestly lynch scotty, however i don't want the responsibility and i'm not entirely certain, so i'd prefer to pelt bea/mata

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:37 pmmata's a dom?

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:50 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:49 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:47 pm i prefer my interpretation

Well I doubt Mata would.

maybe she is a dom, ever considered that?

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 4:52 pm i won't vote for mata bc the slot will sub out and i can read the other, more active, person with more content better (presumably)

splits and sonej are very attractive votes

Lucy taking about Vivax:

Spoiler: show

she hasn’t

The only time lucy has mentioned suspecting mata was in a post where she gave 2 options: “I’d prefer to pelt bea/meta” and voted for bea. This looks absolutely compatible.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:14 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:02 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 11:11 am Probably not as overtly as me but certainly there would be pushback because simply put if Lucy is awoof and Lucy dies scum already lost.

I’ve been saying the wolves have already lost for days now.

From my perspective we have a town core of you, me, svs, Roxy, fingersplints, Dennis, rondo, Sean

That leaves only scotty, lucy, Falcon.

So in my mind falcon + 1 of Scotty/lucy gotta me bad.

I don’t hate the take it’s scotty and I don’t hate the take it’s Lucy.

But I do think elimming Falcon gives us one more night to resolve which of the two it is,

I just don’t think I’m successfully convincing anyone lol probably because of the sabi and soneji outcomes.

Personally the fact scotty didn’t get on board with Falcon but was willing to start a lucy train after I’d just done one post in that direction bothered me. So I don’t feel confident myself in resolving scotty/lucy. But I guess an elim of either of them would do it.

Was it not you and SVS that said we had to get Lucy? Why do you want to get Lucy and not Falcon if you're sure he's bad then?

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 11:11 am Probably not as overtly as me but certainly there would be pushback because simply put if Lucy is awoof and Lucy dies scum already lost.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 10:50 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 10:07 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:45 am 11 people, majority at 4, 2 deaths today assuming doc fails is 9 minus 2 votes is 7 so we have 1 misyeet after today 2 total before we are in faux lylo if we don't hit vote deleter. So we gotta make these count or doc has to carry us even further on their back

Even with one vote deleted, this is what I have been saying. It's why I am trying so hard here to get people on the Lucy wagon. We can't afford miselims anymore as long as that exists in the game. And she is the only person the majority of us are not civ reading.

If she's not bad, you guys eliminate me next.

Also, I have limited time today, and I want to spend it in my very singleminded way lol. Your "what if" exercises looked interesting but I'd probably have to read up more than I have time for today, I'll hit them up tomorrow (although if Lucy IS bad, and IS lynched, I don't expect to see tomorrow ha ha).

Have you thought why I'm the only one defending lily in a game where there's 2 woofs left?

If lily is woof there should be more thread resistance. There has not been a single period of time where another wagon had more than 3 votes and that wagon was me Golden and Dennis.

That's 3 pretty universally town cored players. There's no resistance from lily there's no resistance from anyone but me. Why? Especially in this thread state.

There's 2 options. Last wolf is deep as fuck or lily is town.

Alternatively the woofs gave up.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:45 am 11 people, majority at 4, 2 deaths today assuming doc fails is 9 minus 2 votes is 7 so we have 1 misyeet after today 2 total before we are in faux lylo if we don't hit vote deleter. So we gotta make these count or doc has to carry us even further on their back

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:59 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:58 am Fuck if I know lol i don't think that far ahead Falcon is fine xD I only care about step 1

If you want me on board with step one I need a well considered step 2. I know how crafty you can be

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:21 am I’m trying to be open minded about Rondo, because the more he posts the worse I feel about him. But this isn’t the first game I’ve felt like that about him. Some players tend to post in a way that naturally seems suspicious, and I’m trying to see past that but idk. gonna see what other people think now.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:12 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:21 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:47 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:35 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:01 pm Weee rainbow list!!
Me
Golden
SVS
Scotty/Neon
Rondo
Roxy
Seanzie
Splints/Lucy
Falcon

Roxy is townlean because she's not been able to have a conversation but all of her reads feel genuine.

Seanzie would be way lower if I didn't trust Golden. I'm not entirely convinced by the whole 'doc Seanzie' claim and if someone else flips Doc then everything has to be reconsidered.

Have it all, y'all

Why do you have neon so high?

Actually I could potentially switch to Roxy here I haven't seen any impactful play from that slot I keep forgetting it exists

Jack (my twin, and who was in Neon's slot) seemed uninterested, and he probably would've been more engaged if he was mafia. Especially with Mata as a partner according to SVS. Neon has also done a ton of analysis, but with her recent 'Hmmmm...'ing I am rethinking that, seeing as she appeared more noting of my 'Rip mom lol' joke than my list, I was looking forward to hearing her actual thoughts.

I don't know your brother, but I do know neon and neon is in her wolf range

I'm well outside my known wolf range for one reason. I mean like I know about that reason so it's moot but you shouldn't know I know.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:27 pm feels like neon is TMI'ing me town

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:21 pm I still think Lucy is a bad elim.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:13 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:46 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:33 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:12 pm In any event, I don’t think the identity of the deleted vote is something we should plan on figuring out.

Oh yeah, we can’t figure it out. I just want us to remember it exists if we form a voting strategy. And keep it in mind in a “what would” kind of way.

I think a two vote majority on any target to avoid a tie is essential, yeah. Even though I prefer Falcon I’ll vote Lucy today if it means avoiding vote manipulation shenanigans.

I agree, but I would prefer Lucy. Short of falcon coming in here with a list of his victims, I don't see me changing my vote. I don't think anyone seems to be thinking she is town

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:33 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:12 pm In any event, I don’t think the identity of the deleted vote is something we should plan on figuring out.

Oh yeah, we can’t figure it out. I just want us to remember it exists if we form a voting strategy. And keep it in mind in a “what would” kind of way.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:07 pm @Golden i meant that in a world where Lucy was bad. Not otherwise. You can stop huffing now

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:27 pm This thread is hilarious, everyone thinks they were the NK targets.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 1:50 pm

Your tinfoil of golden mirrors mine. I think his game of self-assuredness is far messier and different than the last game. He has insisted multiple times he wins games as a deepwolf more often than not and is on a streak as such. That precedence niggles on my confidence all the time with him in that ‘he seems so town, but I DONT wanna be snowed by him again, so maybe the best move is to eliminate him before he gets there just in case.’ Which is a shitty way to approach it, because town golden is a strong player. That tinfoil hat is less tinfoil and more 3D-printed pseudo carbon fiber and a terrible fashion choice to be wearing around the farm. So I also am not pursuing it, but if we start eliminating what should be most likely candidates for wolves in lucy/falcon…and they’re both town…? I’m all for chopping golden.

I don’t think there are 2 town in falcon/lucy as of now. I can see a case where only 1 is wolf and someone else is propping them up, but I definitely feel like one of them going over today is integral to our solve.

I suppose I could see Lucy/Golden but I don't see Golden/Mata. As you say, how this lynch comes out will help me focus it somewhat. As of right now, I think he's town. But times change and so do minds.

I do agree that I like todays wagons, although I like the Lucy one more since I have actively sussed her as opposed to second hand suspicion re falcon, also I think it will say more about Golden than a falcon lynch would. But if we are doing the two wagons thing, this works for me. Although we need to keep in mind that *if* Lucy is bad, she, or her team, isn't ever cancelling Goldens vote (or trying to NK him).

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 12:26 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 12:24 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 12:15 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 12:13 pm Seanzie’s vote is on Dennis

Probably because there is no unvote option, why are you worried about that? shouldnt he be locked doc for you and any action he does beyond reproach?

I like the thread to reflect the truth. Nons is the unvote option.

Negative: Arsonists and Two-Hand Tapping Guitarists (host/mods/dead/non-players) - we are not hosts, mods, dead or non players. We are players. We must vote. If the Host wanted us to unvote or sleep he would have included the option in the poll. At this point in the thread Dennis is as good an unvote option as SVS

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 12:16 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 12:01 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:59 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:49 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:39 am

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:35 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:58 am

Spoiler: show

tl;dr

Lucy wolf read is also in my iso

now to read this ungodly post at this ungodly time

If you think the doc case is made up and Golden hard defended sean and sean isnt saying no then he is just on borrowed time till real doc flips and then two wolves go down hard back to back. Also you have to ask why real doc isnt trying to murder seanzie. Now Seanzie trying to flip me so aggressively isnt the best move as well because eventually I Will go over and then he will be in deep shit and then Golden and him will have to double down on defending each other (in the world they are w/w) so its a really bizarre play. Might work but its unlikely

There could be a world where seanzie is town and golden is wolf (for defending lucy if i pre-flip her wolf) but then seanzie should be targeting golden for hard death because then he would be wrong on who the night save is and claiming it so boldy in thread means that seanzie would have a difference check on golden but that isnt the case so until someone counter claims or seanzie tries to kill golden I am just saying its true that seanzie is doc and golden was the night kill

if you dont know Sabi its hard to not just scumbucket her

That said if Lucy is wolf and Seanzie is just sticking to his guns so hard that he is seeing red and wolves holstered the kill and golden claimed doc saved him (This is assuming all the planets aligned and its even legal to holster in this format) then golden could still be wolf. But that is an edge case I cant even think about till I see the lucy flip and then another kill after that. But yeah in that case Seanzie is still town because doc would CC and hard death tunnel seanzie and he would be dead before FX

Basically as long as Golden and Seanzie keep sticking together and no Doc flips I lose this game to them and you go over SVS every time. Because I think you are in a good place to deep wolf (Golden is too, but he has a shield and you dont)

Answer me this. Who is goldens partner if not Seanzie? If you cant put any other name next to it right now just look elsewhere and try to flip them. If you can put a name next to it. great lets kill that name then look at golden when we have more information

Ha ha I don't ever remember being called ungodly before, but I'll take it. And people who know my game will tell you I am an excellent deepwolf (I never heard that before this game, but I love that term), it may be what I do best in mafia. But not here.

I don't know if it's real or not, I just know what *I* thought for a large swathe of the game.

I also know when someone is coming after me and they mean it or not. I have had a big reputation as a deep aggressive tunneller. I have been trying to avoid this in my comeback tour. But *my* read on Sean is based on myself, I 100% thought he meant it when he was tunnelling me. He believed it. Goldens read cemented it for me, and was part of why I was more willing to accept Goldens viewpoint. If Golden is bad, I still think Sean is not.

To be clear, I am blaming myself for my actions, *NOT* Golden, although my thoughts on Golden are what precipitated all of this.

Looking for a woof partner for Golden, I find Goldens ISO is clean, in that he has interacted with everyone alive in this game. He's replied to them, he's typed out their names, he's commented on them. I would have to think on who i think would be bad with Mata and Golden, were he bad. I am not seeing a big space to fit a teammate between Matahari and Golden tbh. He was pushing Mata/Falcon as teammates while she was still alive, before Vivax replaced in.

And Golden and a hypothetical partner are not in a vacuum, Mata/Vivax would have to be in there with them. I think I just talked myself out of suspecting Golden at all. I don't see how he is compatible with bad Matahari, and especially with bad Mata/falcon. So not sure. I can't put a name next to Golden.

I am home all day today, and much of tomorrow. My Dad pulled a last minute thing so I have to go tomorrow from @2 Eastern to @ 8ish, I am so annoyed. And we'll be a restaurant so clutching my phone and hiding around corners to post like I did the other day won't work. That's why I am making a big push now, I won't be around for much if any of EOD.

What about yourself SVS+Golden+Mata/Vivax. Why doesnt that work?

I don't see Mata/Vivax and Golden working together, regardless of the third party. I have to go back and reread them, but he was looking to her as bad fairly early, then she was sick and I think both he and I backed off her a bit becasue *Kate* didn't think she was bad. I suspected mata D1 or 2, but she kinda snapped back at me for it, and I tend to read her the opposite of Roxy. Roxy snaps at you when bad, Mata does it when civ. At least that is what I thought.

But I guess I could be compatible with bad Golden, but I don't see how bad me, bad Golden and bad Mata would work together.

I have never done this type of analysis, it's helpful actually.

ALSO, I know G Man is a straight up guy, and if he said he randomized, he randomized. But if he randomized a Mafia team consisting of me, Golden and Matahari, he would re-randomize lol. It's not thread related, but it's what I think.

As relieved as I was to roll civ, if gman randomised a you/me wolf duo and then rolled again I’d be devastated.

Have we been bad together? If so it was a looong time ago, I don’t recall it.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 12:15 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 12:13 pm Seanzie’s vote is on Dennis

Probably because there is no unvote option, why are you worried about that? shouldnt he be locked doc for you and any action he does beyond reproach?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:59 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:49 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:39 am

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:35 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:58 am

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:56 am Looking for GTH opinions: Lucy Village or Woof? (No PoE, if you had to make a call what is it?)

OK, to start, I have no info. But reading back has made me realize I made a timing error, and I made the mistake of listening to someone else when I should have listened to myself. And I am finding some of the things Golden is saying today alarming.

I am going to guess this is OK with Golden since he did something similar to Sean, and becasue i think I am probably mistaken. I'm just going on what I believed most of this game. And I am not sure how to explain this without "going there".

I thought Golden was an info role, and was trying to steer a bit based on that without actually dumping into the thread (which one of the info roles isn't allowed to do anyhow, iirc). Day 1, if i had an info role, I would have checked Sean. Sean was the opposing wagon to Wilgy, and was taking tons of heat. And Golden came in defending Sean. The Doc case he made a few days later looked made up to me, it looked like an info case, except to prove someone was civ, not that they were bad. He posted it to get people off the Sean fixation, and it worked. I myself thought he was town, and still do. Since no one really pushed back at that case, maybe he actually is that role

Golden also was defending Lucy, who I would have checked Day 2 if I were an info role. She was the 2nd wagon Day 2, although not as close as the Day 1 wagon. So I backed off of her, and moved on. I also felt to some extent that maybe I was picking on her (although I am not sure why I would feel that, but I will say that guilt is the only emotion I process fairly normally, lol).

I thought Sabiplz was bad for very bad reasons, and I learned my lesson about misunderstanding cultural differences. I thought they were steering, I thought they were self meta-ing way too much (that, for me, is a baddie tell, a big baddie tell, but not for Sabi obvs). I thought they may have killed Marmot to garner some civ sympathy for themselves since they were obvs super simpatico w/Marmot.

As an aside, now I am thinking Marmot was NKed to isolate Sabi a bit if Lucy was bad. If you look back at Sabis posts, Lucy was trying to meld with Sabi a bit imo.

Anyhow, I compressed days 1/2 mentally and assumed Golden had checked Lucy, but I read back and see he was vouching for her waaaaay before that. So therefore, I either think he was NOT an info role and I read into him, or he was blocked Night 2 and got no results. Or since he was vouching for her day 1, maybe if he was a cop role, he didn't check her at all

And now, reading today, he seems to be backing off of that town read of Lucy. So I went back and realized this started on Day 1, before an info role could have checked anyone.

This is from day one, and I'm a nub

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:41 pm I don’t think a vote for Lucy is the way to go today.

So I can't sort Golden until I sort Lucy. My gut has been saying "WOLF WOLF WOLF" from the start, and will keep it up until one of us is gawn, baby, gawn.

My heart has been telling me this is Goldens town game, but I really need to sort this, so he goes into the PoE until I do. Also to keep in mind, if Golden is civ (and bad Golden is more tentative, less assured he's right, so I think he likely is a civ) and Lucy is not, I bet his vote (and maybe Dennis' vote since she's glommed onto him so hard) have probably never been blocked and probably aren't now. Mine might be, Scottys might be.

Imma read back some more, and get that rainbow in a bit.

And before Rondo asks, I have no idea who a wolf Lucys partner would be. I don't think it's Golden, his defense of her would have been too hamfisted if he were bad.

tl;dr

Lucy wolf read is also in my iso

now to read this ungodly post at this ungodly time

If you think the doc case is made up and Golden hard defended sean and sean isnt saying no then he is just on borrowed time till real doc flips and then two wolves go down hard back to back. Also you have to ask why real doc isnt trying to murder seanzie. Now Seanzie trying to flip me so aggressively isnt the best move as well because eventually I Will go over and then he will be in deep shit and then Golden and him will have to double down on defending each other (in the world they are w/w) so its a really bizarre play. Might work but its unlikely

There could be a world where seanzie is town and golden is wolf (for defending lucy if i pre-flip her wolf) but then seanzie should be targeting golden for hard death because then he would be wrong on who the night save is and claiming it so boldy in thread means that seanzie would have a difference check on golden but that isnt the case so until someone counter claims or seanzie tries to kill golden I am just saying its true that seanzie is doc and golden was the night kill

if you dont know Sabi its hard to not just scumbucket her

That said if Lucy is wolf and Seanzie is just sticking to his guns so hard that he is seeing red and wolves holstered the kill and golden claimed doc saved him (This is assuming all the planets aligned and its even legal to holster in this format) then golden could still be wolf. But that is an edge case I cant even think about till I see the lucy flip and then another kill after that. But yeah in that case Seanzie is still town because doc would CC and hard death tunnel seanzie and he would be dead before FX

Basically as long as Golden and Seanzie keep sticking together and no Doc flips I lose this game to them and you go over SVS every time. Because I think you are in a good place to deep wolf (Golden is too, but he has a shield and you dont)

Answer me this. Who is goldens partner if not Seanzie? If you cant put any other name next to it right now just look elsewhere and try to flip them. If you can put a name next to it. great lets kill that name then look at golden when we have more information

Ha ha I don't ever remember being called ungodly before, but I'll take it. And people who know my game will tell you I am an excellent deepwolf (I never heard that before this game, but I love that term), it may be what I do best in mafia. But not here.

I don't know if it's real or not, I just know what *I* thought for a large swathe of the game.

I also know when someone is coming after me and they mean it or not. I have had a big reputation as a deep aggressive tunneller. I have been trying to avoid this in my comeback tour. But *my* read on Sean is based on myself, I 100% thought he meant it when he was tunnelling me. He believed it. Goldens read cemented it for me, and was part of why I was more willing to accept Goldens viewpoint. If Golden is bad, I still think Sean is not.

To be clear, I am blaming myself for my actions, *NOT* Golden, although my thoughts on Golden are what precipitated all of this.

Looking for a woof partner for Golden, I find Goldens ISO is clean, in that he has interacted with everyone alive in this game. He's replied to them, he's typed out their names, he's commented on them. I would have to think on who i think would be bad with Mata and Golden, were he bad. I am not seeing a big space to fit a teammate between Matahari and Golden tbh. He was pushing Mata/Falcon as teammates while she was still alive, before Vivax replaced in.

And Golden and a hypothetical partner are not in a vacuum, Mata/Vivax would have to be in there with them. I think I just talked myself out of suspecting Golden at all. I don't see how he is compatible with bad Matahari, and especially with bad Mata/falcon. So not sure. I can't put a name next to Golden.

I am home all day today, and much of tomorrow. My Dad pulled a last minute thing so I have to go tomorrow from @2 Eastern to @ 8ish, I am so annoyed. And we'll be a restaurant so clutching my phone and hiding around corners to post like I did the other day won't work. That's why I am making a big push now, I won't be around for much if any of EOD.

What about yourself SVS+Golden+Mata/Vivax. Why doesnt that work?

I don't see Mata/Vivax and Golden working together, regardless of the third party. I have to go back and reread them, but he was looking to her as bad fairly early, then she was sick and I think both he and I backed off her a bit becasue *Kate* didn't think she was bad. I suspected mata D1 or 2, but she kinda snapped back at me for it, and I tend to read her the opposite of Roxy. Roxy snaps at you when bad, Mata does it when civ. At least that is what I thought.

But I guess I could be compatible with bad Golden, but I don't see how bad me, bad Golden and bad Mata would work together.

I have never done this type of analysis, it's helpful actually.

ALSO, I know G Man is a straight up guy, and if he said he randomized, he randomized. But if he randomized a Mafia team consisting of me, Golden and Matahari, he would re-randomize lol. It's not thread related, but it's what I think.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:49 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:39 am

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S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:35 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:58 am

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S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:56 am Looking for GTH opinions: Lucy Village or Woof? (No PoE, if you had to make a call what is it?)

OK, to start, I have no info. But reading back has made me realize I made a timing error, and I made the mistake of listening to someone else when I should have listened to myself. And I am finding some of the things Golden is saying today alarming.

I am going to guess this is OK with Golden since he did something similar to Sean, and becasue i think I am probably mistaken. I'm just going on what I believed most of this game. And I am not sure how to explain this without "going there".

I thought Golden was an info role, and was trying to steer a bit based on that without actually dumping into the thread (which one of the info roles isn't allowed to do anyhow, iirc). Day 1, if i had an info role, I would have checked Sean. Sean was the opposing wagon to Wilgy, and was taking tons of heat. And Golden came in defending Sean. The Doc case he made a few days later looked made up to me, it looked like an info case, except to prove someone was civ, not that they were bad. He posted it to get people off the Sean fixation, and it worked. I myself thought he was town, and still do. Since no one really pushed back at that case, maybe he actually is that role

Golden also was defending Lucy, who I would have checked Day 2 if I were an info role. She was the 2nd wagon Day 2, although not as close as the Day 1 wagon. So I backed off of her, and moved on. I also felt to some extent that maybe I was picking on her (although I am not sure why I would feel that, but I will say that guilt is the only emotion I process fairly normally, lol).

I thought Sabiplz was bad for very bad reasons, and I learned my lesson about misunderstanding cultural differences. I thought they were steering, I thought they were self meta-ing way too much (that, for me, is a baddie tell, a big baddie tell, but not for Sabi obvs). I thought they may have killed Marmot to garner some civ sympathy for themselves since they were obvs super simpatico w/Marmot.

As an aside, now I am thinking Marmot was NKed to isolate Sabi a bit if Lucy was bad. If you look back at Sabis posts, Lucy was trying to meld with Sabi a bit imo.

Anyhow, I compressed days 1/2 mentally and assumed Golden had checked Lucy, but I read back and see he was vouching for her waaaaay before that. So therefore, I either think he was NOT an info role and I read into him, or he was blocked Night 2 and got no results. Or since he was vouching for her day 1, maybe if he was a cop role, he didn't check her at all

And now, reading today, he seems to be backing off of that town read of Lucy. So I went back and realized this started on Day 1, before an info role could have checked anyone.

This is from day one, and I'm a nub

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:41 pm I don’t think a vote for Lucy is the way to go today.

So I can't sort Golden until I sort Lucy. My gut has been saying "WOLF WOLF WOLF" from the start, and will keep it up until one of us is gawn, baby, gawn.

My heart has been telling me this is Goldens town game, but I really need to sort this, so he goes into the PoE until I do. Also to keep in mind, if Golden is civ (and bad Golden is more tentative, less assured he's right, so I think he likely is a civ) and Lucy is not, I bet his vote (and maybe Dennis' vote since she's glommed onto him so hard) have probably never been blocked and probably aren't now. Mine might be, Scottys might be.

Imma read back some more, and get that rainbow in a bit.

And before Rondo asks, I have no idea who a wolf Lucys partner would be. I don't think it's Golden, his defense of her would have been too hamfisted if he were bad.

tl;dr

Lucy wolf read is also in my iso

now to read this ungodly post at this ungodly time

If you think the doc case is made up and Golden hard defended sean and sean isnt saying no then he is just on borrowed time till real doc flips and then two wolves go down hard back to back. Also you have to ask why real doc isnt trying to murder seanzie. Now Seanzie trying to flip me so aggressively isnt the best move as well because eventually I Will go over and then he will be in deep shit and then Golden and him will have to double down on defending each other (in the world they are w/w) so its a really bizarre play. Might work but its unlikely

There could be a world where seanzie is town and golden is wolf (for defending lucy if i pre-flip her wolf) but then seanzie should be targeting golden for hard death because then he would be wrong on who the night save is and claiming it so boldy in thread means that seanzie would have a difference check on golden but that isnt the case so until someone counter claims or seanzie tries to kill golden I am just saying its true that seanzie is doc and golden was the night kill

if you dont know Sabi its hard to not just scumbucket her

That said if Lucy is wolf and Seanzie is just sticking to his guns so hard that he is seeing red and wolves holstered the kill and golden claimed doc saved him (This is assuming all the planets aligned and its even legal to holster in this format) then golden could still be wolf. But that is an edge case I cant even think about till I see the lucy flip and then another kill after that. But yeah in that case Seanzie is still town because doc would CC and hard death tunnel seanzie and he would be dead before FX

Basically as long as Golden and Seanzie keep sticking together and no Doc flips I lose this game to them and you go over SVS every time. Because I think you are in a good place to deep wolf (Golden is too, but he has a shield and you dont)

Answer me this. Who is goldens partner if not Seanzie? If you cant put any other name next to it right now just look elsewhere and try to flip them. If you can put a name next to it. great lets kill that name then look at golden when we have more information

Ha ha I don't ever remember being called ungodly before, but I'll take it. And people who know my game will tell you I am an excellent deepwolf (I never heard that before this game, but I love that term), it may be what I do best in mafia. But not here.

I don't know if it's real or not, I just know what *I* thought for a large swathe of the game.

I also know when someone is coming after me and they mean it or not. I have had a big reputation as a deep aggressive tunneller. I have been trying to avoid this in my comeback tour. But *my* read on Sean is based on myself, I 100% thought he meant it when he was tunnelling me. He believed it. Goldens read cemented it for me, and was part of why I was more willing to accept Goldens viewpoint. If Golden is bad, I still think Sean is not.

To be clear, I am blaming myself for my actions, *NOT* Golden, although my thoughts on Golden are what precipitated all of this.

Looking for a woof partner for Golden, I find Goldens ISO is clean, in that he has interacted with everyone alive in this game. He's replied to them, he's typed out their names, he's commented on them. I would have to think on who i think would be bad with Mata and Golden, were he bad. I am not seeing a big space to fit a teammate between Matahari and Golden tbh. He was pushing Mata/Falcon as teammates while she was still alive, before Vivax replaced in.

And Golden and a hypothetical partner are not in a vacuum, Mata/Vivax would have to be in there with them. I think I just talked myself out of suspecting Golden at all. I don't see how he is compatible with bad Matahari, and especially with bad Mata/falcon. So not sure. I can't put a name next to Golden.

I am home all day today, and much of tomorrow. My Dad pulled a last minute thing so I have to go tomorrow from @2 Eastern to @ 8ish, I am so annoyed. And we'll be a restaurant so clutching my phone and hiding around corners to post like I did the other day won't work. That's why I am making a big push now, I won't be around for much if any of EOD.

What about yourself SVS+Golden+Mata/Vivax. Why doesnt that work?

I don't see Mata/Vivax and Golden working together, regardless of the third party. I have to go back and reread them, but he was looking to her as bad fairly early, then she was sick and I think both he and I backed off her a bit becasue *Kate* didn't think she was bad. I suspected mata D1 or 2, but she kinda snapped back at me for it, and I tend to read her the opposite of Roxy. Roxy snaps at you when bad, Mata does it when civ. At least that is what I thought.

But I guess I could be compatible with bad Golden, but I don't see how bad me, bad Golden and bad Mata would work together.

I have never done this type of analysis, it's helpful actually.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:41 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:13 am Scotty… someone in this thread, the real doctor, would have been shading the ever living shit out of me and Seanzie for the last two days if I was wrong.

No one has. There’s a bit of light tinfoil and that’s it.

I mean tbf I've been shading the ever living shit out of you. At this point you're more of a "sunburnt orange" rather than a "golden".

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:09 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:05 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:59 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:41 am Falcon’s iso makes him clearly compatible with a mata/Lucy team in my mind, which is the world you think we’re in.

Do not presume to know what I think.

So you’re voting Lucy but you don’t think she’s wolf?

I vote people I dont think are wolf all the time

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:07 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:51 am I genuinely cannot think of one. The best I can come up with is that wolves skipped the kill to get the doc to self-identify but that’s poor value.

I think Kate was close enough to the town core early on that she could have been a legit kill target

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:05 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:48 am If Dennis if mafia I don’t think it takes until day four to kill Kate tbh.

When would he have done it?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:59 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:41 am Falcon’s iso makes him clearly compatible with a mata/Lucy team in my mind, which is the world you think we’re in.

Do not presume to know what I think.