The Syndicate

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http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 66#p606166

It will be hosted this sunday, hopefully.

One weird thing about this format is that it affects people differently. I never felt too pressured by it. Meanwhile people who are used to post a constant stream ot thoughts found themselves forced to change their playstyles.

Maybe make some system where a low poster can donate posts to a high poster, or something.

Grats, Russ!

Since this is the final battle I'm going to post some final boss music to add to the mood.

Thanks for the game, [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]!

Good luck, folks.

If Sloonei says his failed again tomorrow because he tried to give the item to me, lynch him.

In terms of information it's limited to confirming Sloonei and it kind of already did that, though it could confirm it better if someone actually got the damn item. It's the equivallent of a Fruit Vendor role.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Fruit_Vendor

Besides that, it depends on how good those items are.

Nanook's role is probably what I'd call a weaker one. It's pretty hard to produce a meaningful conclusion from it, as demonstrated by Nanook himself and his failed Sig case.

dunya's role I agree is a weaker one, at least for a townie. And she says it has a restriction so it's even weaker. It's that role you add in role madness games when you want everyone to have a role but don't want to overwhelm the mafia.

Vig depends on whether it's multi-shot or one-shot.

(but even multi-shot it's a step below cops, I'd say I agree with the assertion it's similar to a tracker or a doctor)

jailkeeper is equal to a roleblocker and a doctor imo. The two abilities nerf one another but at the same time it's two abilities so you have a very good range of utility that can come out from them.

Tracker starts out pretty weak but gets stronger in the endgame, becoming essentially a roleblocker. Watcher starts out being even more powerful than a cop but normalizes to a similar level as the tracker when you approach endgame.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:06 pm Sloonei is the bad guy tho, did anyone even read my well reasoned case? I've spent a lot of energy trying to clear my townreads and build a case on the bad guy

You started your case by stating sloonei is being town read on the nutella thing and implying you missed the real reason he is being townread.

We won't read your posts if you aren't reading ours.

So I searched around on the watcher thing and found this discussion.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... er#p393470

It seems I was mistaking and it wasn't Jay who thought watcher was OP, it was Jack, although Jay agreed watcher is very powerful.

I'm sorry, my memory failed me here.

Still, I think that's a lot of info roles for a single faction.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:18 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 1:54 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 1:41 pm i mean, TH can come in tomorrow and say they targeted sloonei/ddl whoever dies from them and say russ/dunya did it.

what then?
We have 50% chance of winning instead of 33%.
i mean if they're bad, they're guaranteed to do that. smart role and smart they only used 1 of their shots for lylo.

Still having to decide on a 50% chance on whether TH is telling the truth or not is better than having the group decide between 3 people (or 4, depending on Sloonei paranoia) which from my mafia experience usually results in failure.

Imo TH > Russ > dunya > Sloonei in order of who I want to lynch but that list has changed at least 3 times during this morning's catch up and might change again

wording*

dunya wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 1:40 pm certain without a doubt

That is some dangerus working

dunya wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 1:41 pm i mean, TH can come in tomorrow and say he targeted sloonei/ddl whoever dies from them and say russ/dunya did it.

what then?

We have 50% chance of winning instead of 33%.

Don't let TH get away without am ability result tomorrow, guys.

Never mind, my plan is not perfect.

I think I have a plan, but I need Sloonei's item thing.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] can you give items to people or are you out of shots?

Another thing that is worth nting is that Jay is veeeeeeeeeery wary about including watchers in his setups. He really believes they are the strongest civ role ever, stronger than a cop. You can find some posts he made about that in those threads about game design. I wouldn't expect to see a watcher in a Jay game often, much less coupled with other info roles.

So we have to believe he included a tracker, a watcher, a vig, a jailkeeper, a vanilla cop, and Sloonei's role that can also very easily be used for confirming things. Granted he said he would make the civ faction more powerful, but thats A LOT of power.

This insane list makes me feel better about dunya's and Russtifinko's roles. Russ is a vanilla, and dunya's role, while powerful, is a different dimension of power that doesn't overwhelm that much compared to adding multiple investigative roles.

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] Sloonei is not cleared because of interactions with nutella. He is cleared because he attepted to give an item to Russtifinko early on, breadcrumbed it, and while Russ did not receive the item, MP later revealed to have used an ability that blocked Russ from receiving it.

So baddie Sloon had to have falsely breadcrumbed something without knowing MP would later provide a reason for why it failed.

The only way I see that working is if Sloonei went around writing a bunch of posts that could have looked like breadcrumbs so that later on he could seize whatever claim a town player made to justify it, or maybe not even do that and just shrug about why his item giveout failed. Granted, while Sloonei did ask dunya/russ about receiving the item, he did that after MP's claim, so the breadcrumb is the only evidence prior to MP's claim that we have.

Btw, TH's claimed role is identical to nutella's (the real one, not her claim). Not even similar like G-Man's, it's the same role (watcher).

If TH is mafia, that claim has to be fake. Now, I'm not sure if Jay provides a role that is already in the faction as another mafioso's fake claim. It's possible, but a little weird. And if that's true, then TH has to have made his role up as opposed to using whatever fake ability he got. It's a risk, and might be an unecessary one.

Wonder how likely each of those things are.

I looked at it online and it you want to play the game legally you need to own an Xbox One, sadly.

Or a Nintendo 64, I suppose.

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 6:35 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 6:33 pm Play Banjo Kazooie/Tooie, guys. I'm here having fun discussing flavor because those games are really that good.
Is there a way to on Switch/PC?

I've been interested by them but never got around to it.

No idea, but I happen to live in the one country where piracy is not illegal so I've never thought much about it.

Play Banjo Kazooie/Tooie, guys. I'm here having fun discussing flavor because those games are really that good.

Good job though, guys. Sometimes you just gotta lynch speedchuck.

#2 villain*

Clanker literally has a level named after him and is not in the game.

Tooty is the game's wincon, and she is not in the game.

Color me paranoid about Kazooie and Mumbo now.

Though Kazooie being evil or not being in the game wpuld be a tweeest. Especially since I'm expecting the last mafia to be Klungo, since he's the #1 villain.

Im here. I will not catch up

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:56 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 11:33 am [VOTE: No Lynch] aubergine

We are clearly not coming to a consensus today and a mislynch loses us the game. I believe Sloonei and probably speedchuck are mafia and would like another 72 hours to discuss the case.
If speed is bad in any universe why not speed today

If speed flips scum I'm reconsidering lynching TH.

And with that said

[VOTE: speed] aubergine

Dunya has looked alright in her recent defenses. Her progression is still weird but I can see someone like her just changing her mind like that. Speed has done nothing to placate me susupicions.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 11:33 am [VOTE: No Lynch] aubergine

We are clearly not coming to a consensus today and a mislynch loses us the game. I believe Sloonei and probably speedchuck are mafia and would like another 72 hours to discuss the case.

A no lynch probably kills one of me or sloonei and puts us in an even more difficult situation.

It's just not a good option.

Play to win, not to delay your defeat.

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 9:13 pm Sloonei, did you think dunya's dream was info-related? Or broader question for everyone: is there an inside thing with dunya having really strong intuition that just hits her sometimes, that I haven't seen before because this is my first time playing with her? Because I feel like there are at best 3 possibilities, even giving the most possible benefit of the doubt:

Yes.

Dunya is like the best scumhunter of the internet.

She just knows people's alignments.

That said I didn't think the dream thing was anything but a joke myself.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 11:03 pm I never believed that dunya’s dream was role-related.

Spoiler: show
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 9:19 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 8:59 pm Also so freaking weird but I had a dream that somehow included this game last night and Jack was playing in it I shit you not. Woke up and heres jack replaced in for Tony. So basically, I see the future now. Jack was bad. Let's see if that holds up too...
Ignore my vote call at the end of the ISO post. I believe in dunya' dreams. [VOTE: tonyjackprime] aubergine

Also I'm willing to buy G-man's claim to have info right now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 3:15 pm Moved back to Tony/Jack.
MP's wagon is on track,
But dunya had a dream:
We can lynch Jack for the meme.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 3:19 pm I'm only half joking. I have so much faith in dunya that I'm not ruling out the possibility that she unconsciously solved this game.
And on that point, I do not believe that dunya would make something like that up as mafia. If there’s a reason to clear her, it’s the dream.

Hmm why not

Actually if TH is mafia, the optimal play tomorrow is to say he targetted whoever between me and Sloonei did not get shot, so he prevents a further decrease of the PoE, and the day is still 2v1.

Does this mafia actually shoot Sloonei over me AND TH, though? I would figure the two of us are bigger threats than Sloonei...

[VOTE: Dunya] aubergine

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:52 pm apart from ddl of course, but having unlimited vig shots isn't that fair.

You keep bringing that up.

That sounds like something that was discussed in scumchat.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:30 pm
Russtifinko wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:19 pm Confused by the first part of your post, though - are you saying you no longer think TH and I are teammates?
i don't know, russ. i don't know. TH, speed and you. that's my POE. i think TH looks bad from his early beef with Mac, to his interactions with nutella and Tony/Jack, and how he's voting for me because i'm voting for him (and if speed is his teammate and not you, it makes sense why he picked me since you've been adamant about my lynch since day 1). he's not "gamesolving" right now and at this stage, i feel like TH should be. he trusts you because you're not voting for him. if i believed that he actually suspected me, i might bring him around. he said something to mac when mac was suspecting him and he did a hard NO U on him "if you're town work with me" and he keeps saying that to me. it actually does the opposite of inspiring confidence in him whenever he does say that. either i trust him, or he thinks i'm bad. nah. that's not how mafia works for me. tell me why you're town and show me your eagerness to sort people out then i'll sway.

You seem nervous.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:54 pm I'm more likely to be convinced to vote based on player behavior than role claims.

Well I still like Russ, tbh. His recent posts have looked civ to me.

If mafia doesn't kill TH next night they are suicidal. His role is even stronger than G-Man's. And they have shown extreme degrees of cop fear anyway.

This makes me a little more willing to leave TH alive. To see if he doesn't get killed.

That said, if he is mafia, he's going to come with result that will implicate someone, and then the game will boil down to him versus someone else.

While if he is killed, me and Sloonei won't, so it's still 1v1.

So I'm leaning on lynching one of speed or dunya instead.

Leaky, Gnawty and Clanker are all characters that could be missing from the setup and it wouln't be weird, though.

So do we tinfoil that one of the two leads in the game might be scum?

Cuz that's what it takes for Russ to be bad.

Never mind that Jay went through the trouble to give them fake claims.

Well I suppose I'm the only character claim left.

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 7:09 pm Well, I thought I posted this when I was on earlier today, but apparently it didn't go through.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 9:15 amdid you read the thread? everyone i iso'd individually made me feel worse about TH tbh, starting with sloonei's iso of nutella. i have no doubt in my mind they are bad now. and i'm pretty sold on you being their teammate. if jack had flipped bad, TH coulda been good.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 10:43 amI feel like I let dunya down somehow cuz she did a complete 180 on me. Dunya what did I do?
Clearly I have read the thread, and clearly I'm not the only person confused about where this came from.

Calling it now: baddies are dunya/Speed. I now think dunya was buddying TH and is flipping on him now that victory is in sight.

Since then: RIP G-Man. dunya's sudden flip on TH feels to me like a baddie lashing out, and her reasoning for it is weak. TH "hasn't done anything" lately?? Why are you being dismissive of TH now? Where's the dunya who reached out to TH when they were getting frustrated and felt like no one was hearing them and said "I hear you?"

It feels like scum dunya has realized if she can lead a mislynch today she wins, so she moved to flip on the easiest remaining townie to mislynch and can't come up with a reason to justify it. With Sloon and DDL confirmed, Speed being her teammate, and her suspicion of me not taking off, TH is her only option left.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 5:46 pm It's funny if we look at nutella russti and TH. They've all scum read 1 of them and townread 2.
If you're trying to make a point, make it. Are you saying the baddie move is to townread yourself and one teammate and scum read the other? If so, what did your GTH with Speed and nutella look like? This is being presented as helpful analysis, but it's just weak shade hoping someone else picks it up and runs with it.

FWIW, I also don't buy the fake "if I'm gone after tonight" bit. The POE for today is 4 people, max, and dunya knew she was one of them. No baddie in their right minds kills her last night. Trying to act like a worried civ.

I can totally see this. dunya's progression from Day 3 to now was weird, man.

One thing that weird me out is that, after the MP debacle, I was expecting her to get mad at me for having a hand in it, with the claiming thing, since she has been doing that for days. But before she could show up, G-Man confirmed me. So when dunya showed up, she didn't say a single thing about it.

It makes me wonder if she was actually mad at me in previous days or if she was stageing that to make a possible DDL mislynch happen, and now that this isn't on the table, she has decided not to waste energy (or postcount) with me anymore.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:35 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:32 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 3:52 pm Nanook being NK'd throws a wrench into the nutella-TH teammate works though. It takes away a mislynch opportunity from them and also erases any cred gained by TH in the process. It was, however, a soft erasure of cred for TH, because I don't know that many people sussed him for his sus of Nanook. I mean, Nanook had a lot of 'splainin to do. Maybe that shelved analysis of TH's sus on Nanook. Hard to say.
Sorry I didn't reply to this before cuz I only read it now, but might as well comment on it.

While TH did suspect nanook at the time, I got the impression his big focus was on me, for sheeping on nanook. He only accused nanook after I pressed TH to give an opinion on him.

If mafia had already decided to kill nanook at that point, it would make sense for scum TH to do that.
That's not really fair to say I only suspected Nanook after you pressed me. My focus was being pulled in multiple directions and I had already discussed my doubt in Nanook before you ever even asked me about it. So that's not really how it went down.

I don't know who you suspected when.

I'm saying who you accused when.

What was on our mind is something we can only learn when your role flip.

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 3:52 pm Nanook being NK'd throws a wrench into the nutella-TH teammate works though. It takes away a mislynch opportunity from them and also erases any cred gained by TH in the process. It was, however, a soft erasure of cred for TH, because I don't know that many people sussed him for his sus of Nanook. I mean, Nanook had a lot of 'splainin to do. Maybe that shelved analysis of TH's sus on Nanook. Hard to say.

Sorry I didn't reply to this before cuz I only read it now, but might as well comment on it.

While TH did suspect nanook at the time, I got the impression his big focus was on me, for sheeping on nanook. He only accused nanook after I pressed TH to give an opinion on him.

If mafia had already decided to kill nanook at that point, it would make sense for scum TH to do that.

We should at least massclaim characters, imo. Not abilities though (and for God's sake, not how you obtain jiggies!"

I'm one of those 3 protagonists I mentioned earlier and I'd like to see the other 2.

Yeah this mafia does have cop fear.

Haven't been caught up since last EoD I'll try to come back to the game tomorrow.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 8:18 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 6:28 pm Banjo Kazooie major characters:

Banjo
Kazooie

Mumbo Jumbo
Bottles

Brentilda
Cheato
Dingpot
Tooty
Jinjo (s)

Villains:

Gruntilda
Klungo
i dont see my character there.
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:22 pm gnawty's got no fear
so baddies better run and hide
now everybody listen here
i'm ready to kick some fresh behind
@speedchuck can you give us something to work with like, a role claim even at this point. your character name? who do you suspect? why?

Chances are your character is something incredibly minor.

Like the one TH claimed.

I only listed the major ones. This game has like 50 characters.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 8:03 pm wow we have a little thing that counts how many posts in the topic we have under our avatars. when the hell did that get there :o

A ghost did it.

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