The Syndicate

Six confident town reads, if correct, mean the game is locked and everything else is just time spent waiting for the inevitable. It'd be cool if folks could gimme six town reads or more if they've not already.

I'm at least enough on board that both of them are still POE regardless of flips.

@NAA, I did consider giving that a more conservative read, so you could be right. I'm not sure I'd call it optimal for them (which impacts my view with Alison in particular), but whatever works is "optimal" enough.

[VOTE: No vote] aubergine

Obviously I could also be wrong about a green block somewhere. If there are major disagreements then let's talk about them.

Pseudo-blind interactions

Green - doubt they're mafia teammates
Yellow - could be mafia teammates

~ First and foremost remember that each mafioso alive in this game currently has only one teammate, so that can impact and perhaps dilute the value of this approach. I did it anyway. I left off Rondo and Radishes because I don't think there was a bus vote. I left off Mac because of his claim.

~ This has left me with a bit more uncertainty than I started with, though not necessarily in a way I'd call concerning. I don't think my POE pool is likely to change much if at all. The people I already had town reads on were Mizery, NAA, and tutuu among this group. I'm not feeling like any of those is immediately problematic. NAA (and Nanook) come from a 451 culture of play that inherently renders this kind of solving less useful, because it leaves their posts a bit less thickly written and more emotionless. That's okay and works well within that style. It just lends itself to a bunch of yellows every time I try to do this. It's difficult to conclusively separate players the way that I tend to do so with that approach.

~ Alison doesn't have many good fits here that I can readily identify. I think an argument can be made to pair her with falcon or Dyson, and since there are only two perhaps the solution does lie in there. I do think, however, that this is a good reason for me to vote for someone else in the immediate present. I don't think Dyson is that likely to be mafia, and the team being exactly Alison/falcon isn't probable (in literal terms just by the numbers) -- it also lies in direct conflict with some teamwork I'd like to encourage here (e.g. NAA wants to murder one and protect the other).

~ Tony/falcon stands as one of the game's most obvious options, but similarly to Alison -- he's hard to find a teammate for if not falcon. His other fits are with my town reads. These combined points might point to a town falcon anyway. This isn't a confident matter and I wouldn't pull any of them from the POE pool -- but it might influence my sense of who should be the priority.

~ I'm coming around to motel room being a premier suspect. The Scotty interactions weren't conclusive and can be validly read to his discredit as easily as to his credit. During this process I also found a number of things in his posts that I don't care for right now. I will highlight them in a bit. This also happens to be nicely synergized to a view that Alison doesn't have great mafia fits, given that her own view of motel room is one of suspicion. She could just be right. However, finding a teammate for motel room is also not terribly easy. Nanook and Dyson stand in along with a bunch of town reads.

~ I could make the argument that NAA should be in the POE, but if I put him there I have to remove someone else. Perhaps that's the primary source of any new trepidation I feel. I'm not confident right now about selecting anyone to be that swap.

Anyway we have over 24 hours before the Day 2 deadline and plenty to talk about. Let's stay engaged.

motel room wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:56 pm I dont know about the stuff Scotty did but "the slot" named dunya that accused me also was happy with my response. You think that's why she died overnight?

You have a very strong agenda here Alison. It feels like it doesnt match what you're offering.
I think the most negative thing about me is that I townread Scotty yesterday but yet that didnt come up here.

This bugs me. I mean, it's "caught for the wrong reasons" verbalized in a very literal form.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:47 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:18 am [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

@Scotty, future reference mate: when you enclose something between "lol" and "eh" it looks like you mean something other than what you said.
exactly. and then turn around and do exactly that feels like mafia who doesnt have his agenda in one basket

are you happy with scotty's explanation now?

mac, give me some of your rum to numb this pain in my heart

I checked dunya's posts to verify that she had seen and acknowledged Mac's role claim, because as of right now she is the only person left (outside Dyson) who can still offer up a counterclaim, except she can't because she's dead.

As it happens she didn't say anything about it. She made posts after the claim happened, and she referenced Mac once as seen above. We kind of just have to hope she saw it and didn't refute because she was vanilla, because if she was the power role we're never going to know it.

I'm content enough to do that. I will consider Mac to be the power role still.

I’m going to just let @falcon45ca clarify his intent before I say anything about all that.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:49 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:38 pm Throughout Day 1 Tony said basically nothing of consequence to or about Dyson or Scotty. He hard defended falcon on Day 1. He less-hard defended me.

Those were the wagons.

@TonyStarkPrime why Dyson?

idk

You've vetoed falcon suspicion at every turn since the game began.

Please try to explain why, even if only in three words.

Mafia had a chance to just dogpile me and kill me Day 1, but they did not. Oops.

Throughout Day 1 Tony said basically nothing of consequence to or about Dyson or Scotty. He hard defended falcon on Day 1. He less-hard defended me.

Those were the wagons.

@TonyStarkPrime why Dyson?

Those who fail to obey my commands will be subjected to serious consequences, such as those that follow:

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Tony is as agreeable a chop as Alison to me. No gripe there.

motel room wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:39 pm It was a vibe read. I remember him being a funny guy and I felt he was being light and funny. That's pretty much it.

Any idea who might be engaging in the mafia-styled bonking around here?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:53 pm Anyways a lot of people are increasingly close to being clear...Jay, Rondo, radishes...if falcon is mafia we can add motel/mizery/tutuu...apparently mac claimed pr giver, so add that for now...

So yeah, I think we're on a good track

Any immediate take on NAA?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:43 pm Lol

He put him into a tie with 24 minutes left

Hes only ever mafia if Dyson is too, and that seems unlikely, so...

Yeah. Idk how you see that as a potential bus vote unless you think Dyson is mafia too

You care about those things much more than I care about them. Mafia doing that wouldn't even be remarkable to me regardless of Dyson.

But whatever, I town read Rondo.

The only interactions I didn't review are Mac (role claim) and Radishes (doubt he bussed). If anyone out there thinks they should be given more scrutiny then by all means say the word (and/or just go on and scrutinize).

I could consider calling falcon town just on the basis of this page. I don't really believe in a "Syndicate meta = quitters are town" universe given that I have seen so many examples to the contrary. But there's a certain attitude to falcon's rage here that seems that way. Anyway I don't care that much at the moment and would rather he just do his thing.

POE pool can't go more than 6-deep. Here's a split given my current feelings overall (not limited just to those interactions I reviewed):

Master Radishes
MacDougall
RondoDimBuckle
NotAnAxehole
tutuu
Mizery

Nanook
motel room
falcon45ca
Dyson sphere
TonyStarkPrime
Alison

Don't care about the order within tiers. I'll open up another wagon, what the hell. Mac's placement remains a product of the role claim exclusively. I don't necessarily think I need six suspects and could probably drop a couple, but I'll play it safe and stay with the max.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:21 pm If you want cooperation, you should stop pushing obvious town.

Sure. To whom do you refer?

Interactions of Scotty and NotAnAxehole

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NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:41 am Kill Falcon today, kill Scotty tomorrow, re-evaluate day 3.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:46 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:45 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:45 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:51 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:23 am Rondo hella reactionary though. Can’t shake this feeling, hackles standing up.

But I suck at D1 so maybe I should just pull a Mac and sheep the consensus town
Nah he's just mafia. You're doing well.
Interesting, I dont quite agree with a blatant declaration without any proof to back it up

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine
You don't agree that you are mafia?
I do not, although I don't mind being lynched first night. I just dont take first day seriously like nanook.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:51 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:51 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:23 am Rondo hella reactionary though. Can’t shake this feeling, hackles standing up.

But I suck at D1 so maybe I should just pull a Mac and sheep the consensus town
Nah he's just mafia. You're doing well.
Interesting, I dont quite agree with a blatant declaration without any proof to back it up

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine
Note that if you turn out to be bad, this is your teammate just for this random vote.
it was a random vote and you trying to tie him up as my team mate might just be an excuse for you to sus him later? TMI?

Is there Scotty + MacDougall equity?

[VOTE: motel] aubergine
Falcon Scotty mac is a reasonable thought.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:21 pm [VOTE: scotty] aubergine

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:56 am I think Falcon and Scotty are the same alignment.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:02 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:00 pm dunya -tinfoil
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME -tinfoil
NotAnAxehole

TonyStarkPrime

Dyson sphere
Master Radishes
motel room
Mizery
MacDougall

lost monkey
Lime Coke / JJJ - mostly from LC

Scotty
falcon45ca
tutuu

This is mostly gut reading off first day interactions.
If I were a betting man, I'd say that your null reads contain all of the mafia:

TonyStarkPrime

Dyson sphere
Master Radishes
motel room
Mizery
MacDougall

lost monkey
Lime Coke / JJJ - mostly from LC

There may or may not be some kind of process at work here, but it remains under the curtain if so. I'm sure that's deliberate. These reads don't entirely make a lot of sense above the curtain, e.g. various consecutive posts in direct conflict (vote Scotty, Scotty isn't included in a list "that contains all three mafia", my POE has no more than one mafia, but also Scotty and falcon are teamed -- yadda yadda. Take it or leave it.

~~~

Conclusion

At face value I have no reason to separate the two. I don't really believe that NAA is mafia, but the reasons why aren't related to his interactions with Scotty.

Gang, suspicion exists. We're playing Mafia. I realize it's frustrating, and when it's wrong it often comes with mistaken interpretations or various other forms of oops. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe falcon is wrong. Maybe tutuu is wrong.

These kinds of interactions are going to happen in a game and we have to handle them with aplomb. If you're really losing your mind, you know who to contact. If you need to step away for a while, cool.

Voting for ourselves and walking away is only going to make it worse. If you're my teammates, either or both of you, then let's get to it. Town needs your help. I need your help.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:03 pm She's not trying to voice suspicion, she IS voicing suspicion and has been doing so since the start of the game. Quit pretending like her voice is being silenced, it's not.

I'm simply trying to point out that tuutu has had a lot of confidence in other reads that did not pan out, and that maybe she should look at that when going forward with her other reads of supreme confidence. Hubris and all that, eh.

All quoted posts are cherry picked, you just did the same with a whole schwack load of your post reads...you even tell us that you picked them, so that's a bit hypocritical, don't you think?

This post is bad too.

"I'm done wasting my time on you" can have the effect of silencing a voice by pure emotional force. Spare me.

tutuu did not voice supreme confidence in town reading Scotty. She just town read him. Her read on Scotty is irrelevant to her read on you. It's a way of playing to the audience more than it is speaking to tutuu directly. You clearly aren't interested in her perspective anyway, because you're done wasting your time on her.

Comparing interactive reviews of a dead mafioso with two isolated reads lists pulled from the void is silly. Calling me hypocritical is nigh meaningless. Am I mafia? Why does that sentence exist?

Respond to this if you wish, but I will tell you first: I am much more likely to be moved by hunting than by any continuation of this conversation. If you're not mafia, find out who is and I will listen. I am so far not compelled by the suspicion you voiced of tutuu. Maybe I'll be compelled by something else.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:56 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:55 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:53 pm That's fine, you don't have to. I mean, why read posts, right?

Your read on me is as accurate as your read on Scotty. I'm done wasting my time on you.
[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

Then waste it on me. Your posts today are bad.
Why are they bad?

Your accusation of tutuu on the basis of her reads lists is cherry-picked, your discredit of tutuu on the basis of her Scotty read is crap, and "I'm not wasting time on you" adds zero value to the dialogue beyond trying to bury someone into submission who is trying to voice suspicion of you.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:53 pm That's fine, you don't have to. I mean, why read posts, right?

Your read on me is as accurate as your read on Scotty. I'm done wasting my time on you.

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

Then waste it on me. Your posts today are bad.

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Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:56 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:23 pm It is supposed to be a gif of the whole of Shrek

https://preview.redd.it/4vwc2telggr21.g ... d71e9f339b

Also anyone above 11 posts I am suspicious of since we have 48 hours to post and it seems like its anti town to lock yourself out of responses.

Also since I HAVE to declare who I am voting for I will say I am voting for one of:
dunya
Master Radishes
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TonyStarkPrime
Lime Coke
lost monkey
RondoDimBuckle
falcon45ca
Scotty
motel room
NotAnAxehole
tutuu
Dyson sphere
Mizery
MacDougall

That is all
wtf is this

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:11 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:00 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 9:52 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 9:51 pm 1. both givers holstered. we mass claim. mafia kills our town PR tonight. IF we play it right on the next day we get a conf town (the mafia target) + we have a safe sane ability to use/leash. but there is potential for outplay by maf coz i think it relies on us not being dumb

i hope town pr giver gave shot n0 coz i think thats better

2. both givers gave shot. we mass claim. we have 2 confirmed town immediately (assuming no cc), we have a safe leash on sane PR. thats best case scenario, so much good stuff

3. town pr gave shot, scum pr holstered. dass reasonable i think, i dont think they can fuck with us too hard. we still get our peek tomorrow i think

4. town pr holstered, scum pr gave shot. this is uh bad. we get a peek but mafia can kill it tonight. we dont learn shit.

i think that if the town PR gave their shot on N0, they should say so and lead the mass claim, because good stuff will follow. if town PR didnt give their shot on N0 we should stay quiet coz its bad. what yall think of my genius plan?
I agree with this.
I am a contrarian and disagree with this

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

But actually I dont agree with this, the fact that a wolf can get a town role means your whole theory is hoping a wolf isnt picked. Sure the % chance of picking a town at random is high but not guaranteed. This seems like a way to get a wolf deep lime and tutuu w/w? :think:
lol I agree with what rondo is saying here, but lol this seems a little too kneejerk accusatory

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:12 am Yea, ima tie it up

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

Will reassess tomorrow but I don’t like rondo’s entrance

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:23 am Rondo hella reactionary though. Can’t shake this feeling, hackles standing up.

But I suck at D1 so maybe I should just pull a Mac and sheep the consensus town

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:25 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:23 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:12 am Yea, ima tie it up

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

Will reassess tomorrow but I don’t like rondo’s entrance
I agree rondos entrance sucked. Lets get him out.

[VOTE: Rondo ] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:51 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:51 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:23 am Rondo hella reactionary though. Can’t shake this feeling, hackles standing up.

But I suck at D1 so maybe I should just pull a Mac and sheep the consensus town
Nah he's just mafia. You're doing well.
Interesting, I dont quite agree with a blatant declaration without any proof to back it up

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine
Note that if you turn out to be bad, this is your teammate just for this random vote.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:00 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:43 am
motel room wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:02 am Scotty seems towny to me at this early stage. Tutuu seemed good too but that jester comment is actually saying nothing now that you point it out.
It was an expression...

"This person to me feels over the top, im not sure how to proceed reading him"

Scotty - "There are no jesters and u know it"

*Me puts arms in air* u got me guys
It just seemed in my reread an attempt to evoke a certain response. Regardless, you pointed out that you didn’t know if you should read him as towny or wolfy, which was a nothing stance like motel said.

Granted, I also don’t know rondo nor do I know how they usually operate D1, but I agree that he’s acting like a jester, or else a broken clown (thanks mac)

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:40 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:54 am I'm finding Rondo's wacky vote gimmick to be towny. I don't see mafia making themselves this noticeable doing something like that.
I don’t know his meta, but I agree

And between you and dunya as the wonder twins, I view you as more town than she.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:43 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:54 am I'm finding Rondo's wacky vote gimmick to be towny. I don't see mafia making themselves this noticeable doing something like that.
And yet on the flip side, rondo only started voting on the carousel after being roundhouse kicked for making some weird logical leaps in the beginning, so maybe this is just defensive maneuvering

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:47 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:03 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:56 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:54 am
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tutuu deliberately overposting knowing we won't chop her if she's unable to defend herself?

Im not under threat of getting chopped this day based off ppls current reads and even if that was my scum plan and i did it, u could then interrogate and chop me the next day
we have a full 26 hours and change till vote lock and if you run out of posts you cant change your vote so at that point its easy to claim tomorrow on no I couldnt change my vote off someone that was cleared in the last 6 hours because I ran out of votes, oh well scummy to be at 60-70+ half way through the day

[VOTE: lime coke ] aubergine
This is the most reasonable thing you’ve said all game

+1

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:53 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:49 pm If you like this @Scotty
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Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:47 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:03 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:56 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:54 am
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tutuu deliberately overposting knowing we won't chop her if she's unable to defend herself?

Im not under threat of getting chopped this day based off ppls current reads and even if that was my scum plan and i did it, u could then interrogate and chop me the next day
we have a full 26 hours and change till vote lock and if you run out of posts you cant change your vote so at that point its easy to claim tomorrow on no I couldnt change my vote off someone that was cleared in the last 6 hours because I ran out of votes, oh well scummy to be at 60-70+ half way through the day

[VOTE: lime coke ] aubergine
This is the most reasonable thing you’ve said all game

+1

Youll love this
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RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:26 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:22 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:15 pm nook isn't hard townreading me yet so something is wrong with me
Okay i think this post specifically is towny

Its a very creative post lt to come up with as mafia unless uve seen it before / done it before as town
You can waste at post on this

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:03 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:56 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:54 am
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tutuu deliberately overposting knowing we won't chop her if she's unable to defend herself?

Im not under threat of getting chopped this day based off ppls current reads and even if that was my scum plan and i did it, u could then interrogate and chop me the next day
we have a full 26 hours and change till vote lock and if you run out of posts you cant change your vote so at that point its easy to claim tomorrow on no I couldnt change my vote off someone that was cleared in the last 6 hours because I ran out of votes, oh well scummy to be at 60-70+ half way through the day

[VOTE: lime coke ] aubergine
But not reply to this

:think:
[VOTE: f4lcon ] aubergine

[VOTE: lost monkey ] aubergine
y r u playing voting roulette
Do you actually find tutuu sus for this or are you just spitballing

If we follow the thread here, I think it's pretty telling. Scotty started harshly anti-Rondo, and shat in his Corn Flakes over various minutiae. Rondo was a very easy player to go after because of his voting behavior (to his credit, there's value in that), and Scotty took the bait. Then eventually when it became apparent that a Rondo chop was not likely to materialize, he conceded the "I agree" town read initiated by my predecessor Lime Coke.

Good looks for Rondo.

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RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:45 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:51 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:51 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:23 am Rondo hella reactionary though. Can’t shake this feeling, hackles standing up.

But I suck at D1 so maybe I should just pull a Mac and sheep the consensus town
Nah he's just mafia. You're doing well.
Interesting, I dont quite agree with a blatant declaration without any proof to back it up

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine
Note that if you turn out to be bad, this is your teammate just for this random vote.
it was a random vote and you trying to tie him up as my team mate might just be an excuse for you to sus him later? TMI?

Is there Scotty + MacDougall equity?

[VOTE: motel] aubergine

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:43 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:40 pm LC
MR
axehole
rondo
TSP
scotty
mac
probably nook

my town reads as of 6.40pm on august 11

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:40 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:54 am I'm finding Rondo's wacky vote gimmick to be towny. I don't see mafia making themselves this noticeable doing something like that.
I don’t know his meta, but I agree

And between you and dunya as the wonder twins, I view you as more town than she.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine
No, stop, please, I want to be suspicious. Good night Dunya, you are rip before dawn

[VOTE: Scotty ] aubergine

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:55 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:53 pm
y r u playing voting roulette
Do you actually find tutuu sus for this or are you just spitballing
all content is good content for tomorrow

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:31 pm
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dunya wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:34 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:52 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:47 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:40 pm LC
MR
axehole
rondo
TSP
scotty
mac
probably nook

my town reads as of 6.40pm on august 11
What I get for taking forever to post.

Dunya
LC
MR
Tutuu
Mac
Axe
TSP
Scotty
Rondo
Nanook (?)

So 10 people (With 1 question mark) on that list.
lol
Let’s just lynch low posters then eh?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:11 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:09 pm
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Town:
Tutuu
Mizery
Radish
Scotty
Axehole
Lime
Uhhh music symbol guy

Gut town:
TSP
Dunya
Island. Motel?

Null:
Mac
Nook
Gut scum:
Monkey
Dyson
Falcon
lol you and I are seemingly aligned with those bottom 3 scumreads

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:40 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:54 am I'm finding Rondo's wacky vote gimmick to be towny. I don't see mafia making themselves this noticeable doing something like that.
I don’t know his meta, but I agree

And between you and dunya as the wonder twins, I view you as more town than she.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:42 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:54 am
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tutuu deliberately overposting knowing we won't chop her if she's unable to defend herself?

As mac pointed out: if she is mafia, I just don’t wanna have to deal with it.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine
@dunya not that I am defending Scotty, what happens in the world he flips green?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:24 am
Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:22 am If the jjj slot is scum then im going to eat my hat

Because i dont want to live in a world where someone subs out of a game as a part of an elaborate AtE
I dunno I am going to wait for Dunya to weigh in on things and Nanook, he did come out swinging but that could be to save his bacon. Compelling points though.

[VOTE: Dunya is on scotty so thats where I am actually sitting, just to be clear I am voting for scotty, all the best love and kisses - Rondo ] aubergine

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:27 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:40 am rondo
falcon
scotty

i dont think all three of them are mafia, but i am 100% sure mafia lies within those three.

don't like the whole reaction of scotty, i dunno why jay moved off him for silly reasons, but undermining my genuine case on him the way he did is defo something wolves have done with me before just cos i can't articulate my suspicions in big shiny cases like most ccan

falcon feels like the mischop if thread activity is anything to go by.

if falcon is town, it could mean rondo and scotty are both w. or one of them still is. if falcon is mafia, then rondo is likely town based on voting patterns i think.
I dont like this setting up of an excuse when scotty is mischop to turn on me

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:00 pm dunya -tinfoil
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME -tinfoil
NotAnAxehole

TonyStarkPrime

Dyson sphere
Master Radishes
motel room
Mizery
MacDougall

lost monkey
Lime Coke / JJJ - mostly from LC

Scotty
falcon45ca
tutuu

This is mostly gut reading off first day interactions.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:36 pm [VOTE: scotty ] aubergine

Not a lot of consequence to add from this side. The tinfoil on dunya at the end looks authentic enough, and it was contingent upon a Scotty town flip. So okay sure.

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Conclusion

Rondo was the only Scotty voter I thought was a plausible enough busser to investigate. So I did. I think he looks more town than not.

Interactions of Scotty and tutuu

Scotty replied to literally every single tutuu post. I'm not doing this entire analysis. Here's one post that speaks to me:

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Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:53 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:49 pm If you like this @Scotty
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Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:47 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:03 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:56 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:54 am
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tutuu deliberately overposting knowing we won't chop her if she's unable to defend herself?

Im not under threat of getting chopped this day based off ppls current reads and even if that was my scum plan and i did it, u could then interrogate and chop me the next day
we have a full 26 hours and change till vote lock and if you run out of posts you cant change your vote so at that point its easy to claim tomorrow on no I couldnt change my vote off someone that was cleared in the last 6 hours because I ran out of votes, oh well scummy to be at 60-70+ half way through the day

[VOTE: lime coke ] aubergine
This is the most reasonable thing you’ve said all game

+1

Youll love this
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RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:26 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:22 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:15 pm nook isn't hard townreading me yet so something is wrong with me
Okay i think this post specifically is towny

Its a very creative post lt to come up with as mafia unless uve seen it before / done it before as town
You can waste at post on this

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:03 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:56 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:54 am
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tutuu deliberately overposting knowing we won't chop her if she's unable to defend herself?

Im not under threat of getting chopped this day based off ppls current reads and even if that was my scum plan and i did it, u could then interrogate and chop me the next day
we have a full 26 hours and change till vote lock and if you run out of posts you cant change your vote so at that point its easy to claim tomorrow on no I couldnt change my vote off someone that was cleared in the last 6 hours because I ran out of votes, oh well scummy to be at 60-70+ half way through the day

[VOTE: lime coke ] aubergine
But not reply to this

:think:
[VOTE: f4lcon ] aubergine

[VOTE: lost monkey ] aubergine
y r u playing voting roulette
Do you actually find tutuu sus for this or are you just spitballing

TMI. tutuu is probably town.

Interactions of Scotty and Mizery

From Scotty

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Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:03 am lol tutuu out here throwing around townreads on everyone like a Mardi Gras bead queen on Fat Tuesday.

Between that mizery/tutuu interaction tho, I think mizery looks super town. I appreciate the humble attitude about not wanting to be read town for asking mech questions.

I don’t know how tutuu usually plays, but if they’re wolf, they’re trying to D1 power wolf, and power wolves make my head hurt

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:30 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:36 pm Does scotty's entrance look like it could be a pocket attempt on me or am I making that up
I entered before you, goober

Also you’re probs the closest townread I have, and I don’t give town reads early often because I suck at tone reads and D1s are the bane of my existence

So yea, sure, jump in my cargo shorts

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:06 pm I literally don’t know what to make of dyson. He is…actually a vaccuum.

My favorite is falcon needling him, then immediately voting for Mizery. Very easy to touch and back off for cred if dyson is bad

I stand by my falcon vote

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:55 am On the flip, the only player that has even come close to pocketing me is tutuu, and I don’t even think that qualifies because I picked her First
Tutuu’s posts have had a pretty logical through line, and I’ve agreed with her today. So either we’re both wrong, right or I’m just a patsy. I choose life, senator.

I think mizery is still pretty town based on like I said, their interaction with tutuu early on.

Mac was on my radar as a possible mindgame mafia, and I guess he still could be the mafia provider, but ima let that play out. If he isn’t the town provider, that’ll sort itself out sooner than later

TSP Lean town- has some mindmelding with some others lien they’re in some sort of secret organization. I don’t remember what his scum game looks like, but he appears to have a firm grasp of the mech stuff. Probably NAI but I lean town

The clear trend here is a strong town read by Scotty on Mizery. The second post in this series is the one that speaks loudest to me. Mizery noted a possible pocketing attempt, which on its own doesn't necessarily dissociate the two. But Scotty's response to that probably does. He is both trying to combat Mizery's fear with joviality (calling them "goober") and assuage their concerns with an e a r n e s t - e x p l a n a t i o n. Good look for Mizery.

From Mizery

Nothing new.

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Conclusion

I'd like it if I had a little more to talk about. Nonetheless I think Mizery looks pretty town here.

Interactions of Scotty and Dyson sphere

From Scotty

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Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:50 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:57 am Aight so Lime Coke and Rondo are mafia. The third is probably Dyson Sphere.
I could see dyson since I forgot he was a person even playing this game, but why Lime? He’s not pinging me this game yet. Seems jiggy wit it

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:45 am Want to hear from dyson and lomo.
Dyson, what’s the best vaccuum to buy?
Lomo, are you going to slank til you get vigged or are we going to have to lynch you early?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:08 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:02 am

'Hm, I should push a bit to look like I'm doing something/see if I can pressure a potential mischop a bit.'
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:45 am Want to hear from dyson and lomo.
'Better make sure everyone knows I'm not *too* serious about this though.'
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:45 am Dyson, what’s the best vaccuum to buy?
'Oh, but I shouldn't be *only* jokey or else people might use that against me too.'
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:45 am Lomo, are you going to slank til you get vigged or are we going to have to lynch you early?

Are you implying that dyson and lomo are potential mischops?

Like, we’re not chopping like lomo today even if he doesn’t post any more, but I always prefer content over no content. Don’t you?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:04 pm
Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:00 pm
motel room wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:18 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:29 pm
motel room wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:51 pm Who took the bonk?
What's a bonk?

Are you maf?
No idea. Something to do with Discord?

Nope, town. What about you?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:02 am when the vote board isnt in alphabetical order smh

motel room said something really shady about how he doesn't know what bonking is and that maybe it's a discord thing?????????? how would someone come to that conclusion all on their own? to bonk is to hit or strike soemthing, so where did discord come into play for this bold assumption?

bonking is indeed a discord thing, @Justplayingitcool (who isn't in this game) is our resident discord bonker.

motel room has teammates who told him what's up and tmid it all over the thread.
Alright, the way I read that, motel room just didn't know that "bonk! Go to horny jail!" was a meme, and then guessed that it might be a meme that is popular on discord. I wouldn't read maf for feigning ignorance on that. It's easy to forget that not everyone knows memes.
I knew bonk was a meme, because I've seen it outside of discord. But I'm not surprised it's popular on discord too.

Sorry, it took me a while to catch up on the entire thread and this was the only thing of substance I could contribute right now. I'll see if I can post some more.
well this post is scummy. Too explanatory

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:31 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:12 pm it's true, dyson is a true euro unlike MR who is a north american living in europe...i mean asia. shit. this is getting confusing.

@Dyson sphere who are your suspects atm?
I also would like dyson to contribute more thoughts

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:04 pm
Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:01 pm So, I guess if I go by post count, my scum reads are @NotAnAxehole @lost monkey and @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:05 pm Dyson, just curious- how many games of mafia have you played?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:09 pm
Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:07 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:05 pm Dyson, just curious- how many games of mafia have you played?
I don't remember the exact number.
That is the vaguest answer you could have said omg

What do you find suspicious about the low post count?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:06 pm I literally don’t know what to make of dyson. He is…actually a vaccuum.

My favorite is falcon needling him, then immediately voting for Mizery. Very easy to touch and back off for cred if dyson is bad

I stand by my falcon vote

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:31 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:13 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:11 am Exactly what I said
My interpretation, and I'd imagine dunya's given her commentary, is that it was sarcasm (and I found that sarcasm suspicious). So you're saying then that you were then and remain now on board with voting out low posters. Correct? Just for the sake of total clarity.
Yep, I agreed with tutuu with my Poe at the time being lomo/dyson/falcon.

As of now-
I’d still be down with dyson, because that slot is either super newby wolf or just an awkward town. If I had my fritters, they’d be the lynch today but that looks unlikely.
Falcon is not even most sus to me right now, hence me switching to dunya, but I can still see it.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:11 am [VOTE: dyson] aubergine

Buehler

Green: More often than not when mafia say this, it's literal. Scotty probably did forget about Dyson, which would be a good sign. Grain of salt that if you wish.

Orange: If this is worth bringing up for Alison, it's also worth bringing up for Dyson. My instincts tell me this is better for Dyson between the two of them. Temper that since it's one little thing.

You'll note a general trend in these posts: Scotty is directly attentive to Dyson throughout the day, and often in a negative capacity (either with direct accusations or neutral reminders that he's lurking). There's a clear progression from start to end culminating in a vote that doubles as "save myself" and "vote out this scummy low-poster". I think that all speaks to Dyson's credit.

From Dyson sphere

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There's one new post on this side of the interaction, and it's just a statement of truth. Scotty has one of our coveted Funniest Poster Socky Awards to his name for a reason.

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Conclusion

This is the closest I have come so far to feeling like someone actually isn't Scotty's teammate beyond the vaguest kind of educated guess. I have at least some confidence in saying so.

Interactions of Scotty and lost monkey (Alison)

From Scotty

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Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:45 am Want to hear from dyson and lomo.
Dyson, what’s the best vaccuum to buy?
Lomo, are you going to slank til you get vigged or are we going to have to lynch you early?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:08 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:02 am

'Hm, I should push a bit to look like I'm doing something/see if I can pressure a potential mischop a bit.'
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:45 am Want to hear from dyson and lomo.
'Better make sure everyone knows I'm not *too* serious about this though.'
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:45 am Dyson, what’s the best vaccuum to buy?
'Oh, but I shouldn't be *only* jokey or else people might use that against me too.'
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:45 am Lomo, are you going to slank til you get vigged or are we going to have to lynch you early?

Are you implying that dyson and lomo are potential mischops?

Like, we’re not chopping like lomo today even if he doesn’t post any more, but I always prefer content over no content. Don’t you?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:12 am See, in a previous life I would be voting for lomo right now, as I was wont to do for >80% if my mafia career, voting no/low posters on D1, but last game, someone convinced me that those slots would be resolved eventually and wouldn’t give enough info if they were lynched D1 and happened to be town.

But I don’t like the excuse that you can just skate by on D1. It’s lame

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:53 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:49 pm If you like this @Scotty
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Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:47 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:03 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:56 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:54 am
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tutuu deliberately overposting knowing we won't chop her if she's unable to defend herself?

Im not under threat of getting chopped this day based off ppls current reads and even if that was my scum plan and i did it, u could then interrogate and chop me the next day
we have a full 26 hours and change till vote lock and if you run out of posts you cant change your vote so at that point its easy to claim tomorrow on no I couldnt change my vote off someone that was cleared in the last 6 hours because I ran out of votes, oh well scummy to be at 60-70+ half way through the day

[VOTE: lime coke ] aubergine
This is the most reasonable thing you’ve said all game

+1

Youll love this
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RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:26 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:22 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:15 pm nook isn't hard townreading me yet so something is wrong with me
Okay i think this post specifically is towny

Its a very creative post lt to come up with as mafia unless uve seen it before / done it before as town
You can waste at post on this

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:03 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:56 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:54 am
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tutuu deliberately overposting knowing we won't chop her if she's unable to defend herself?

Im not under threat of getting chopped this day based off ppls current reads and even if that was my scum plan and i did it, u could then interrogate and chop me the next day
we have a full 26 hours and change till vote lock and if you run out of posts you cant change your vote so at that point its easy to claim tomorrow on no I couldnt change my vote off someone that was cleared in the last 6 hours because I ran out of votes, oh well scummy to be at 60-70+ half way through the day

[VOTE: lime coke ] aubergine
But not reply to this

:think:
[VOTE: f4lcon ] aubergine

[VOTE: lost monkey ] aubergine
y r u playing voting roulette
Do you actually find tutuu sus for this or are you just spitballing

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:31 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:13 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:11 am Exactly what I said
My interpretation, and I'd imagine dunya's given her commentary, is that it was sarcasm (and I found that sarcasm suspicious). So you're saying then that you were then and remain now on board with voting out low posters. Correct? Just for the sake of total clarity.
Yep, I agreed with tutuu with my Poe at the time being lomo/dyson/falcon.

As of now-
I’d still be down with dyson, because that slot is either super newby wolf or just an awkward town. If I had my fritters, they’d be the lynch today but that looks unlikely.
Falcon is not even most sus to me right now, hence me switching to dunya, but I can still see it.

Green: I was once correctly suspected as mafia in a game long ago for treating one lurker (town) with marshmallows and kindness and a different lurker (my mafia teammate) like an absolute doofus (hi MR, this was the S2 finale). That's a highly specific example and may not apply to Scotty, but the distinction here is nonetheless stark.

Orange: People who care about "rule of three" -- there ya go.

From lost monkey (Alison)

Nothing.

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Conclusion

Yes, Alison can be mafia. Maybe someday I'll clear someone. Credit to Scotty for making this exercise so dull.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:00 pm @JaggedJimmyJay You mention that you interpret Scotty as finding comfort in motel as a LHF push - but the fact that he didn't actually vote motel suggests that the push wasn't that comfortable for him after all. Why can't he be partners making a meaningless distancing lip service post that he never intends to follow through on?

He "can" be that. We're not tasked with resolving "can" though. We must solve "is". "Can" is meaningless in my opinion.

If I ask myself "would Scotty have been glad to join a motel room wagon had one sprung to life without him needing to start it himself?" my first instinct is that the answer is "yes".

I don't clear motel room entirely on this basis, but that's my take.

Interactions of Scotty and motel room

From Scotty

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Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:14 am
motel room wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:43 pm I haven't played with most people here fyi, only Mac, dunya and dyson, maybe scotty in a game like 4 years ago. So I wont be doing much of the meta-read thing.
I don’t even remember playing with you. Do you recall which game? Grandpa doesn’t hVe the memory he used to

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:43 am
motel room wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:05 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:14 am
motel room wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:43 pm I haven't played with most people here fyi, only Mac, dunya and dyson, maybe scotty in a game like 4 years ago. So I wont be doing much of the meta-read thing.
I don’t even remember playing with you. Do you recall which game? Grandpa doesn’t hVe the memory he used to
Monkey Island and Mad Max at least, which was ages ago
omg monkey island!! If I recall I was bad and you were good? When was the last time you were bad?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:00 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:43 am
motel room wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:02 am Scotty seems towny to me at this early stage. Tutuu seemed good too but that jester comment is actually saying nothing now that you point it out.
It was an expression...

"This person to me feels over the top, im not sure how to proceed reading him"

Scotty - "There are no jesters and u know it"

*Me puts arms in air* u got me guys
It just seemed in my reread an attempt to evoke a certain response. Regardless, you pointed out that you didn’t know if you should read him as towny or wolfy, which was a nothing stance like motel said.

Granted, I also don’t know rondo nor do I know how they usually operate D1, but I agree that he’s acting like a jester, or else a broken clown (thanks mac)

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:38 pm I could vote motel room I guess

Tutuu, I know you only have 9 posts left but you wanna wonder twins activate and vote in a bloc today?

I also like how someone (TSP?) said no more mech talk and it just did. Like, why are we not doing any more mech talk? I might be coming around to the whole mass claiming thing

Scotty did well to inject zero enthusiasm into any of his posts -- it's made them more difficult to interpret.

None of these posts means anything to me except the last one. Scotty needed someone to vote for and found momentary comfort with motel room as an option. This is predictable enough given that motel room is a lower-activity player and the classical form of low-hung fruit. That doesn't necessarily make motel room town. I think I lean that direction at this instant.

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From motel room

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The theme here is that motel room town read Scotty. Okay sure. I have no idea why, so motel will have to expand on that himself. Otherwise I cannot assess the sincerity of the read and will shrug.

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Conclusion

This is another annoying interaction where I simply have nothing worthy of clearance. We're meant to make judgment calls in this game, and mine would be that motel room is probably town. I cannot claim any confidence in that though and need him to expand before I proceed.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:45 pm i think deep down inside u kno nanook is town but u wanna scold him for voting u so thats ur punishment

as jesus said turn the other cheek. forgive him fam, he did an oopsie, we all teammates doe ;-;

oh hey im doing ur thing. the ... communication thingie. hell yeah. imma be ur mediator. imma make u both kiss up and hug it out. hug it out bitches, hug it out yeah

Gun to my head, yes I would call Nanook town.

I'm just not handing the keys over to someone for doing something that mafia constantly do. "Gamethrowing"

Voting for JaggedJimmyJay, who had 4 votes not terribly long prior to the deadline, is one means of "saving Scotty", particularly when it at the end it leaves a tie. Scotty wasn't eliminated without the help of chance.

I might even believe that Nanook is the sort of player who'd make a call between the deadline 4-player wagons as mafia instead of sitting on me, but I cannot claim confidence in such a specific meta read. Mafia-aligned players vote like that all the time. This kind of stuff is why I don't care about voting behavior half as much as most people seem to.

If Nanook is town that'll need to be made apparent by Day 2 play.

Interactions of Scotty and falcon45ca

From Scotty

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Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:50 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:44 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:23 am Rondo hella reactionary though. Can’t shake this feeling, hackles standing up.

But I suck at D1 so maybe I should just pull a Mac and sheep the consensus town
Have you met Lime yet? He doesn't like pressure when he's town btw, so tread softly
Well by that reasoning, we should be putting pressure on him so he’ll reveal the town underneath his trenchcoat

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:51 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:49 am
motel room wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:41 am I'm content to watch that (I assume) joke vote dangle like a free pantsless man watching a sunset. See, I like Tony so far too.
This joke is trying too hard
You’ve had 3 votes on you almost 24 hours. How do you feel about your voters as of now?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:40 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:54 am I'm finding Rondo's wacky vote gimmick to be towny. I don't see mafia making themselves this noticeable doing something like that.
I don’t know his meta, but I agree

And between you and dunya as the wonder twins, I view you as more town than she.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:06 pm I literally don’t know what to make of dyson. He is…actually a vaccuum.

My favorite is falcon needling him, then immediately voting for Mizery. Very easy to touch and back off for cred if dyson is bad

I stand by my falcon vote

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:31 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:13 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:11 am Exactly what I said
My interpretation, and I'd imagine dunya's given her commentary, is that it was sarcasm (and I found that sarcasm suspicious). So you're saying then that you were then and remain now on board with voting out low posters. Correct? Just for the sake of total clarity.
Yep, I agreed with tutuu with my Poe at the time being lomo/dyson/falcon.

As of now-
I’d still be down with dyson, because that slot is either super newby wolf or just an awkward town. If I had my fritters, they’d be the lynch today but that looks unlikely.
Falcon is not even most sus to me right now, hence me switching to dunya, but I can still see it.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:02 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:56 am I think Falcon and Scotty are the same alignment.
this is based on what exactly

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:08 am nook is playing the game. I guess.

Oh oh, also I’m not voting JJJ on D1. if he IS town, then he’s better left in than out. I see nook is voting there but dunno why

OH and if we can start looking at voting sequencing, which is what I feel more comfortable at, falcon has been sitting at the forefront of the trains all day. I feel like mafia was fine with this wagon. Seems too easy..

The majority of these posts make me snore, but here're a couple of interest to me.

Green: This, at the least, suggests to me that Dyson and falcon are unlikely to both be bad. Indeed it might be a worse moment for Dyson than for falcon, as falcon is set up to look like a total doofus should Dyson be flipped [mafia] first.

Orange: This smells more TMI than defend-teammate to me. I won't make that an absolute statement since it could be either one without being any surprise. Scotty's EOD voting was varied from falcon to dunya to Dyson (it ended on Dyson). Shrug.

From falcon45ca

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:44 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:23 am Rondo hella reactionary though. Can’t shake this feeling, hackles standing up.

But I suck at D1 so maybe I should just pull a Mac and sheep the consensus town
Have you met Lime yet? He doesn't like pressure when he's town btw, so tread softly

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:51 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:50 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:44 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:23 am Rondo hella reactionary though. Can’t shake this feeling, hackles standing up.

But I suck at D1 so maybe I should just pull a Mac and sheep the consensus town
Have you met Lime yet? He doesn't like pressure when he's town btw, so tread softly
Well by that reasoning, we should be putting pressure on him so he’ll reveal the town underneath his trenchcoat
I like the cut of your jib

[VOTE: LimeCoke] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:56 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:51 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:49 am
motel room wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:41 am I'm content to watch that (I assume) joke vote dangle like a free pantsless man watching a sunset. See, I like Tony so far too.
This joke is trying too hard
You’ve had 3 votes on you almost 24 hours. How do you feel about your voters as of now?
Well, LC is OMGUSing, I called him out eons ago, and NAA is just trying to pocket me.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:05 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:08 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:02 am

'Hm, I should push a bit to look like I'm doing something/see if I can pressure a potential mischop a bit.'
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:45 am Want to hear from dyson and lomo.
'Better make sure everyone knows I'm not *too* serious about this though.'
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:45 am Dyson, what’s the best vaccuum to buy?
'Oh, but I shouldn't be *only* jokey or else people might use that against me too.'
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:45 am Lomo, are you going to slank til you get vigged or are we going to have to lynch you early?

Are you implying that dyson and lomo are potential mischops?

Like, we’re not chopping like lomo today even if he doesn’t post any more, but I always prefer content over no content. Don’t you?
Are you implying they are not potential mischops?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:11 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:09 pm Town:
Tutuu
Mizery
Radish
Scotty
Axehole
Lime
Uhhh music symbol guy

Gut town:
TSP
Dunya
Island. Motel?

Null:
Mac
Nook

Gut scum:
Monkey
Dyson
Falcon
This list is not good.

It is a bad list.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:52 pm Motel's slim ISO is not towny IMO

Nice to know that he TR's Scotty tho...

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:14 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:06 pm I literally don’t know what to make of dyson. He is…actually a vaccuum.

My favorite is falcon needling him, then immediately voting for Mizery. Very easy to touch and back off for cred if dyson is bad

I stand by my falcon vote
This reads like a soft shade of Dyson & attempt to label a top tier town as teammate should Dyson get flipped.

I like the pun at the start, helps sell the whole thing

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:55 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:44 pm I am suspicious of anyone who has hit max posts by EOD personally its not like postcap was a secret
So you're sus of tuttu, myself, Mac, Scotty, JJJ, and dunya? We all have 86+ posts now, all likely to hit 100 before EOD.

And that's just based off your post cap sus, what are your other reads? Do you have anyone outside of the 6 of us in your sus pool? Who and why?

Also extremely boring interactive content.

Cyan: This is the only post that stands out. I don't know why falcon made special note of motel room town reading Scotty when he had hardly made a read on Scotty himself to that point.

Note for the log that falcon's final vote went to Dyson.

~~~

Conclusion

Sure falcon can be Scotty's teammate. There are tiny reasons to doubt it, but nothing meaningful enough to move me.

Mac is confirmed mafia but also confirmed town so long as he remains an un-countered power role claim. The latter trumps the former.

Interactions of Scotty and TonyStarkPrime

From Scotty

Spoiler: show

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:51 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:51 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:23 am Rondo hella reactionary though. Can’t shake this feeling, hackles standing up.

But I suck at D1 so maybe I should just pull a Mac and sheep the consensus town
Nah he's just mafia. You're doing well.
Interesting, I dont quite agree with a blatant declaration without any proof to back it up

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine
Note that if you turn out to be bad, this is your teammate just for this random vote.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:38 pm I could vote motel room I guess

Tutuu, I know you only have 9 posts left but you wanna wonder twins activate and vote in a bloc today?

I also like how someone (TSP?) said no more mech talk and it just did. Like, why are we not doing any more mech talk? I might be coming around to the whole mass claiming thing

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:06 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:56 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:38 pm I could vote motel room I guess

Tutuu, I know you only have 9 posts left but you wanna wonder twins activate and vote in a bloc today?

I also like how someone (TSP?) said no more mech talk and it just did. Like, why are we not doing any more mech talk? I might be coming around to the whole mass claiming thing
mech talk is super nai and usually a waste of time. very hard to garner proper reactions, and i'm thinking the current state is that no one got a power so we shouldn't be doing any claiming.

we might want to consider assigning the town pr role give collectively though, that way there's no confusion
Or they’re just not revealing because it helps very little if someone with a cop check outs themselves right now and gets NK’d for it

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:55 am On the flip, the only player that has even come close to pocketing me is tutuu, and I don’t even think that qualifies because I picked her First
Tutuu’s posts have had a pretty logical through line, and I’ve agreed with her today. So either we’re both wrong, right or I’m just a patsy. I choose life, senator.

I think mizery is still pretty town based on like I said, their interaction with tutuu early on.

Mac was on my radar as a possible mindgame mafia, and I guess he still could be the mafia provider, but ima let that play out. If he isn’t the town provider, that’ll sort itself out sooner than later

TSP Lean town- has some mindmelding with some others lien they’re in some sort of secret organization. I don’t remember what his scum game looks like, but he appears to have a firm grasp of the mech stuff. Probably NAI but I lean town

Green: Scotty accused Rondo of being a potential mafia teammate of Tony due to a random vote. It was the fifth random vote Rondo had made, essentially fifth in a row -- so that accusation is not great. It can just be Scotty pulling something out of his ass when he sees it, or it could be Scotty feeling a specific urge to say words when the random vote falls upon Tony. The latter wouldn't be great for Tony.

That's speculative. The rest of these posts are bland and tell me little.

From TonyStarkPrime

Nothing new. There's one more post in the exchange about mechanics. Meh.

~~~

Conclusion

At least on the basis of this interaction, I have no reason to clear Tony.

Interactions of Scotty and Nanook

From Scotty

Scotty did not mention Nanook a single time in the game.

From Nanook

Spoiler: show

This appears to be Nanook's only mention of Scotty. By the numbers this functions as the slightest of town reads, based upon perceived lack of partners. I shrug.

~~~

Conclusion

I have no reason to remove Nanook from the POE pool. He can be Scotty's teammate.

That is the absolute lamest possible kill. Come on.

Mac's vote is still here, uncalled, essentially at the deadline. If the deadline passes and that's still the case, he's an abject mafia read. I don't care what came before, and I don't care when his bedtime is. That is terrible in every sense of the word, and I cannot fathom an appropriate explanation for it. I could easily be the Day 1 elimination right now, and that vote is essential for making it so. He has no excuse.

Nanook should know better. Whatever his read on me, in the past he has been inclined to wait with me so that either my alignment becomes clearer to him or I just get night killed. His vote is suboptimal, and in a way that he is normally attentive to. Bad look.

Dyson's suspicion of me looked okay once he explained it. I would still call him POE-caliber, and if he ends up the chop so be it. I would prefer Scotty right now.

I think NAA is town. Move Mac into the POE to compensate. I don't think I have room for Nanook, which means the POE is just going to have to be bigger than it's supposed to be. That's not a terribly surprising development, and it's primarily because of the following:

Town is playing this game very poorly. Just straight up -- it has been a brutal display. It doesn't even matter who is town and who isn't: nearly any iteration of this roster as it currently stands has not been playing a strong town game. There is next to zero cohesion. People are off in their own little worlds playing I Will Take My Ball And Go Solve By Myself. Communication is stunted and shallow. This is a loss waiting to happen if the direction doesn't improve sharply on Day 2. So long as I am the game's newest participant and one of its possible chops, I am not the best person to be taking on that mantle. If I die today I literally can't anyway.

This needn't dishearten any of you or demoralize. It's a harsh assessment, but awareness breeds change. Let's be better gang. Work as a team, or at least try. Use your post allotment. Be friendly without being sarcastic or an arse. Communicate. If I am around I pledge to try my best at doing my part. I acknowledge that I didn't use my own 50 posts as well as I could have: I wasted a few and didn't play with a ton of energy.

If today is a mafia flip, then this assessment can be softened. Well done. It won't be if it's me. If it's a town flip, look inward even if you didn't vote for it. Here's a parting POE pool:

Nanook
RondoDimBuckle
Dyson sphere
MacDougall
tutuu
lost monkey
falcon45ca
Scotty

The names are not ordered. It's one more name than it needs to be, even if one of them is about to be chopped. If I absolutely must drop one, make it tutuu. All of them need to be assessed with diligence, as do the people I didn't list. The game feels bad enough that I don't entirely trust the POE approach itself. It's less difficult than it should be to clear the bar, because the bar is too low.

I'm leaving my vote on Scotty.

Sure. [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

@dunya my doubt stems from the implication that neither of us correctly interpreted Scotty when he “shaded” you and Lime Coke. If he wasn’t being sarcastic then he was literally agreeing with you, not shading you.

I think you and Radishes are town anyway and will just glomp. I have one more post. I might vote Dyson with it if he can’t show me his last few reads aren’t completely fake.

I’m wasting one of my three last posts to say that town cohesion is currently bad, and the course is not set in this game for a town victory. That applies almost regardless of who populates the mafia team.

@Dyson sphere please explain your read on me, even if just briefly.

Folks please be mindful that you’re not allowed to vote in the poll without calling it in the thread. It’s a game rule. @MacDougall

For that reason it’s important to keep at least some posts available just for vote movement. I have two more posts and may only use them for that purpose.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:56 am I think Falcon and Scotty are the same alignment.

So you think they're both town, yes?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:43 am I'd be incredibly surprised if this contained more than 1 mafia.

I could consider swapping Rondo for motel room within the POE pool. Anyway I have 4 more posts, so I'm out for a while.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:43 am I'd be incredibly surprised if this contained more than 1 mafia.

If you could stick seven suspects into a POE who might you choose?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:43 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:39 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:35 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:27 am [VOTE: DUNYA] aubergine
Wasting a post to tell you that I am hysterically laughing at this vote
You're rude. I refuse to engage in your style.

Stop.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:20 am~~~ POE Line ~~~

RondoDimBuckle
Dyson sphere
TonyStarkPrime
tutuu
lost monkey
falcon45ca
Scotty

Names within tiers are in no particular order.

I don't feel immediate urgency or obligation to eliminate either Scotty or falcon. If it goes that way so be it, but I'm pretty open with this group. In fact I am going to tweak in light of some recent posts (remove Tony, add NAA):

RondoDimBuckle
Dyson sphere
NotAnAxehole
tutuu
lost monkey
falcon45ca
Scotty

~~~

I also want to acknowledge tutuu's last huge post. Most of it seemed fine to me. My only immediate emerging gripe is that she suggested she cannot read me at all until she has seen me as mafia already. She's had no problems suspecting me in past games without that (as both alignments).

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:35 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:18 am [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

@Scotty, future reference mate: when you enclose something between "lol" and "eh" it looks like you mean something other than what you said.
Real talk tho jay/ can you not see how dunya attach
Herself to that flimsy narrative is a logical leap?

I agreed with her until you clarified. If that post is sarcasm it looks terrible.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:35 pm still think motel room is a hit for the discord thing. no idea what dyson was talking about, but i assume he's town based on how far out that explanation was lol.

motel room x scotty x ????

dunya is town. Her solving is uniquely her own and may seem opaque to some, but it's real.

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

@Scotty, future reference mate: when you enclose something between "lol" and "eh" it looks like you mean something other than what you said.

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