The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:01 pm Why is it BS vs uninformed? Do I as either T or W just make up things? That would be silly

I wouldn't associate "never makes things up" with Wilgy, no.

I don't believe you referred to the wagon movement dynamics you described at EOD, but rather you celebrated chaos and called for ties.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:58 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:57 pm Looks like Creature and Wilgy both grabbed food twice, so I don't think there are likely to be tally shenanigans afoot.
Well, right now it is a 3-way tie, so there are definitely tally shenanigans afoot.

You're right, I forgot about rope

Looks like Creature and Wilgy both grabbed food twice, so I don't think there are likely to be tally shenanigans afoot.

die_meatbaby wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:48 pm Does nobody see a wagon with Martin, JJJ and Tutuu or is this just me?

I'm not sure what you mean. Could you restate?

Thanks Rico. At the least the “you’re still town reading Rico” and “three dead town” moments are goofy.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:53 pm So 3 takes altogether. The rest is just busywork.

At a certain point we're splitting hairs, but I probably give more credit to those takes on Porscha and Zenon. Not everything has to clearly state "this is a town read" or "this is a mafia read" as long as it is a part of a larger progression.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:43 pm What's the biggest grievance against Lime Coke?

Before I reviewed Lime Coke I thought he seemed kinda floaty and existy, but he ended up looking fine when I got into the details.

Is there something else about him that is bugging folks?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:54 pm @JaggedJimmyJay why didnt you pick wood or flint today?

I think it's important to ensure town gets plenty of the food resources so that mafia cannot stockpile them for a huge endgame advantage, even if I don't survive that long. I even declined to tell falcon I already had the lasagna on purpose since he's POE.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:32 pm creature received pressure and he dipped

he's probably mafia

if he's that disinterested as town we aren't winning anyway

i think creature good chop

valid

Also tutuu becoming unsettled about me during my time away after our night chat and previous vibing is an extremely town progression. If she outlives me, I suggest y'all listen to her.

@tutuu what set you off on Creature?

What's the biggest grievance against Lime Coke?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:38 pm I find it interesting that you mentioned the "commentary" thing, but didn't include the big late-D1 catchup post he did that was almost entirely commentary without real takes, which was followed up with scumreads that he didn't say anything about.

I do admit though that looking back at Rico's Scotty case, it does have a bit more depth to it than I thought.

If you're referring to this post, I mentioned it with a link instead of a full quote. I think there were real takes in there, generally provided after the bullet point comments per player.

I'd vote Creature before either of the other two wagons. I'd prefer DrWilgy.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:34 pm It's worth noting that Lime is actually at 5 votes right now even though it doesn't look like it in the poll. Moto is a double-voter and Lime has 1 hunger vote from D1.

If things don't change before EoD, I'll probably move to Creature since that's a better flip than Lime IMO. I'd also support a Wilgy wagon.

Bringing back Seanzie's bottom-page

Narrowly avoiding a bottom-page with a rainbow list is exquisite. We love those.

tutuu
Martin

Zenon
Rondo
die_meatbaby
Seanzie
Lime Coke
Ricochet

Porscha
Creature

Belzy
motobot
falcon45ca

DrWilgy

Names not really ordered within tiers

I will probably forego the remaining ISOs (Seanzie, tutuu, Zenon) for time constraints. Rico was the last big priority for me anyway.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:53 am When the SS Scotty set sail, the movement around the slot made me think that there was way too much resistance to scotty going over for it to not be scum motivated.

Like, Rico took ahead as a possible save.

Vivax took ahead as a possible save.

I hope I can be forgiven of this sin.

This reads like BS to me

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:27 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:25 pm That's part of my gripe, actually. I don't remember much frustration or questioning. I remember derpy replies. I'm used to town Wilgy suspecting I am an opportunist or something similar when I vote for him. I'm used to the word "pivot" being uttered 40 times.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 4:57 pm Clearly, why would anyone argue against this?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:00 pm You're better.
(for anyone reading - the posts are snipped. click on the blue arrow to take them to the original posts)

Yeah I interpreted those as derpy.

If I am not screwing up my time zones again, we should have 2.5 hours remaining to EOD.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:19 pm If I could kill anyone I wanted right now, it'd be DrWilgy.

Why is DrWilgy town?
For me personally - I bought his frustration at you voting him. For now it's good enough for me and I'm tunneled on Creature

That's part of my gripe, actually. I don't remember much frustration or questioning. I remember derpy replies. I'm used to town Wilgy suspecting I am an opportunist or something similar when I vote for him. I'm used to the word "pivot" being uttered 40 times.

Does DrWilgy care about the roof?

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

If I could kill anyone I wanted right now, it'd be DrWilgy.

Why is DrWilgy town?

Ricochet ISO

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Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:11 am Page one and so far everything tutuu said about town not picking food for swag or such has irked me.

A. Non-food items are limited, so invariably some townies will have only food to pick. Case in point, me after missing out on all the non-food items. There's no point in judging player's AI based on skipping food, since some will have nothing but food left to pick.
B. Having invisible votes added to your tally is not beneficial. Vote shenanigans are not great for gamesolving purposes. So it's not townminded to boast about getting hungry.
C. Something about waiting to see what Seanzie will pick. Why Seanzie, in particular? And why such concern at all?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:40 am Page two and the mech talk is fine, I suppose. Easy pocket material, tho, especially with the prevalent "ooh tutuu is town for mechtalking this much" sentiment.

Tutuu still bit wishwashy or just plain derpy now with the whole "town be swag and not pick food" but then "oh wait getting increasingly hungry will lose game for town" progression.

Ping on Rondo asking to be grouped with the mechtalkers. For what? Or what kind of cred?

I don't think the game will be faultily designed (especially with this being an Epig game) as to reach a mechanical loss i.e. fX town being starved or mafia hogging all the protections each time.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:12 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:59 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:48 am Define ”again”.
You and scotty have tried to soft scum me this game. I see some team work
You're inflating a ping to a wolfread.

Still doesn't account for the again-ness of my endeavour.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:13 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:44 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:11 am Page one and so far everything tutuu said about town not picking food for swag or such has irked me.

A. Non-food items are limited, so invariably some townies will have only food to pick. Case in point, me after missing out on all the non-food items. There's no point in judging player's AI based on skipping food, since some will have nothing but food left to pick.
B. Having invisible votes added to your tally is not beneficial. Vote shenanigans are not great for gamesolving purposes. So it's not townminded to boast about getting hungry.
C. Something about waiting to see what Seanzie will pick. Why Seanzie, in particular? And why such concern at all?
Obv i wouldn't scumread someone for picking food if they had no other choice

Im not scumreading people who are picking food in the first place lol
Maybe I missread, but there was some „if I was mafia I would have picked food, ergo townread me yall" + "waiting to see what seanzie picks, they be mafia if picking food" stuff.

And "picking non-food is towny", which later you 180d into "oh no town will go hungry and lose on mechanics, must pick food"

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:23 am Six out of 18 items are non-food. So, by design, some town will inevitably pick them (or have to).

Mafia depriving town of nightkill protection, at the cost of going +1 in votes, sounds like a proper Epig game balance. They could, but then it depends on drawing (repeatedly) less heat in the game.

Vibe right now is that mech-based conjecturing isn't that valuable. The game has madness, it will develop.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:09 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:00 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:58 am What do you townlock those four for?
They picked non-food
lol

This is some but not all of Rico's earliest content, and I have focused primarily on his initial reception of tutuu. Rico's critiques/suspicion carried some weight (orange), and this developed into a somewhat significant component of the Day 1 dialogue (and tutuu becoming a top wagon). This Rico material doesn't thrill me. tutuu made some assertions about mechanics and how they reflect on people that can obviously be debated, and I'd be more comfortable if that's what happened -- they were debated (instead of they were shaded as something agenda-driven). On that note, I think Rico did achieve that eventually in the green post by simply expressing his view of the mechanical miscellany. I tend to wish this was the focus.

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Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:10 am Vivax has three posts rn, all with certain reads (yay on paper).

Post #1 is a bit of a mix(ed bag) of mechtalk, AI claim and hopping on some pings.
The claim that he would steal the protections as wolf strikes as rushed in rationale, i.e. omitting the downside of gaining hunger votes in the process (he stated there would be no "drawbacks" in fact). Is Vivax the type of wolfplayer who would, indeed, steal town benefits and dare to play with vote weights on? Who knows. Anyway, this statement only leads to WIFOM, if judged seriously. "I would" / "I would never". Mkay.
The ping on tutuu is not much at all. (At worst it was probably a total skim of tutuu's other posts)
The ping on Rondo is without much (in-game) sense to what was already a Rondo statement without much (in-game) sense.

Post #2 was on me and I found it funny. I mean, as far as what I've said, I thought I was pretty reasoned and surveyed different aspects. But the funny side of his angle - probably hasn't played with me (at all? not much?) - is that I am indeed a monument of excess in verbiage and reasoning.

Post #3 was on Scotty and I kind of vibe of it. Scotty's sus is one thing, but his phrasing that SVS would be overly cautious in her mechtalk feels a bit ech. It doesn't feel unreasonable of Vivax to see it this way or point it out.

In relation to JJJ's take, I don't (or didn't) feel as pinged by these posts. #1 is probably the worst. The other two give the vibe of invested play and reading into undertext.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:09 pm I'm getting noseitches about Scotty.

First he pushes a sus on SVS - at the time (#153) it seemed to come off tutuu's own doubts, but upon revisit it seems it wasn't a sheep moment - of which the reasoning comes off flat.
Then he pushes on Vivax of off JJJ's case - and it felt like a coast; or I would have rather imagined Scotty could have come up with his own take, separately.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:49 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:46 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:09 pm I'm getting noseitches about Scotty.

First he pushes a sus on SVS - at the time (#153) it seemed to come off tutuu's own doubts, but upon revisit it seems it wasn't a sheep moment - of which the reasoning comes off flat.
Then he pushes on Vivax of off JJJ's case - and it felt like a coast; or I would have rather imagined Scotty could have come up with his own take, separately.
Maybe try a Zyrtec or something for that nose

So you’re astutely saying that I made my own case/suspicion on SVS. And then in the next sentence you are lamenting that i didn’t come up with my own take.
Coasting isn’t the word you’re looking for, by the by. That’d imply I’m floating around in one of those blow up flamingos in the ocean waiting for rescue or sharks or something.

I’m closer to ‘paddling’ towards shore on a wakeboard, occasionally riding the waves as they push me.
The two sentences are distinct.
You made a push for SVS, but there seemed to be a wave of doubting her take on the mechtalk.
You placed a hard agree on JJ's case.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:00 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:52 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:49 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:46 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:09 pm I'm getting noseitches about Scotty.

First he pushes a sus on SVS - at the time (#153) it seemed to come off tutuu's own doubts, but upon revisit it seems it wasn't a sheep moment - of which the reasoning comes off flat.
Then he pushes on Vivax of off JJJ's case - and it felt like a coast; or I would have rather imagined Scotty could have come up with his own take, separately.
Maybe try a Zyrtec or something for that nose

So you’re astutely saying that I made my own case/suspicion on SVS. And then in the next sentence you are lamenting that i didn’t come up with my own take.
Coasting isn’t the word you’re looking for, by the by. That’d imply I’m floating around in one of those blow up flamingos in the ocean waiting for rescue or sharks or something.

I’m closer to ‘paddling’ towards shore on a wakeboard, occasionally riding the waves as they push me.
The two sentences are distinct.
You made a push for SVS, but there seemed to be a wave of doubting her take on the mechtalk.
You placed a hard agree on JJ's case.
I further explained my reasoning for Vivax. That I agreed with what JJJ was seeing doesn’t mean I didn’t also have that thought separately.

But I’m not fussed about it, because I don’t really care about how my reads are being taken. I’m just vibing, baby
In theory, once you've picked a wave to surf, you can further do anything with it.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:10 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:07 pm Sean might be rly busy town or he could be mafia
Second inactive poster you focus on reading for whatever reason.

Ping.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:28 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:08 pm tutuu
martin
scotty
jay

rico
svs
zenon
rondo

sean
creature
I know this is the result of surveying the thread, but it still reads weird and off to place total inactives dead red and everything else dead town.

I highlight these posts in relative succession, because I think they're important in the broader discussion of Rico. He has been accused of commentary without stances more or less, and I haven't really seen him that way. I think can understand the perception for reasons I will highlight later in this review, but the above posts make a contrary argument. His read on Vivax is less a "stance" than a response to my own stance, but I think he provided meaningful nuance. Then he provides clear stances for both Scotty and tutuu. One may accuse Rico of "bad" stances perhaps, but not of "non"-stances, at least not in these moments.

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I think these are the posts that give an impression of "commentary". And that's an understandable impression; it's primarily what they are. On balance I don't tend to view that kind of thing as alignment-indicative (maybe it depends on the person). Also I think it should be noted that even in the large review post, each "comment" is followed by some kind of stance. So it's not as though Rico is just hanging around saying words without using those words.

It's in that sense that I think reducing his play to "commentary" isn't really a charitable take.

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Full-blown case on Scotty, and perhaps the most comprehensive single case in the game to this point. Clearly Scotty flipped town, so it didn't work out. Is the case itself "playing it genuine" as Rico described for Scotty? I think so? If I want to be pessimistic and find a mafia agenda here (beyond just "mischop Scotty", which, sure), I could see an effort to pocket S~V~S given her own suspicion of Scotty maybe. But then S~V~S was night killed, so it's difficult to make that theory coherent. At absolute level 1, it was a case against a civilian, so take that as far as you feel it should be taken.

I don't want to get deep into analyzing the content of Rico's Day 2 posts. I will instead just remark that I think he has made a decent effort to stay relevant and involved despite the limitation apparently imposed upon him. He could have taken a nap, but he didn't. So that's appreciated.

~~~

I've tried to be as thorough as possible for this one and avoid confirmation bias. If I really want to squeeze, I can probably find a mafia case in here -- but I still don't feel it. At the very least, this provides a lot more clarity for the Rico-suspecters to engage with. I don't think he's the best vote today.

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tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:05 pm JJJ needs to be held up to a high standard. He needs to lead the town to a wolf chop. If he doesn't he's mafia and he should die. He can't be allowed to just sit there. We love his reads but he can't just sit on the bench

As it happens, when I was thinking over the game a bit when I was out, I kinda found myself leaning toward Creature as a good vote. Whatever "town credit" he might have is the very same kind that I would basically ignore if I were to do a trustfall exercise. And I believe you remarked earlier about the over-abundance of town reads, so the standard has to be elevated in general. Vague vibes are not great on Day 2.

At the moment that wagon does not need my "leadership", so I want to see where my final reviews take me. But I am on board with it.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:01 pm @JaggedJimmyJay not placing a vote and not leading the town all day, 3 hours before EoD looks scummy to me

I and i hope everyone else appreciates the work you did with the ISOs

but where is the actual vote? where is the "lets kill the wolves guys"? Where is the leadership?

I've been away for the last ~16-20 hours or so, and I didn't really anticipate it being that long. I'm working on it now though. These wagons have developed without my intervention, for better or for worse, but I am knee-deep in an assessment of one of them (Rico). There is still plenty of time to make anything happen as long as folks are around.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:43 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:39 pm sup squad
We're working out and killin' Rico. Want to join?

Some people are working out and killin' Creature, which isn't quite as fun.

Stand by regarding Rico.

Creature was "vaguely town" in my review, but also in a way that doesn't inspire confidence and will still probably fall into the POE. So I don't immediately oppose that notion.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:51 pm If I consider a town!Rico world, I could see a team consisting of people from like {Creature, Wilgy, Lime, Moto, Martin, Meatbaby}. This would suggest we were just completely off-base on D1, which I suppose is possible if the scum team is mostly low-posting or people who tend to be a bit more on the DL.

If I remove Lime and Martin from the above list, {Creature, Wilgy, Moto, Meatbaby} would be a super slanky team. Wilgy and Meatbaby both voted Scotty yesterday, whereas Creature and Moto were on vanity wagons. This team would mean the 6-person Vivax wagon was competely town-on-town violence, which isn't unheard of, but seems unlikely.

I suppose town!Rico and D1 would make more sense if Jay was scum since that would explain why we were so off-base, but that isn't a world I really want to consider right now. Meh...

I also keep forgetting that Rondo is still in the game. I suppose he could fit in this world too, but if he can't post, that seems like a wolf ability hit him. Who else am I forgetting? {Belzy, Falcon, Porscha, Tutuu, Zenon}... meh...

Idk, it is hard to find a world that makes a lot of sense if Rico isn't scum. People who are townreading Rico, I'd love to hear your opinions on this. @tutuu @JaggedJimmyJay @Zenon

I don't think a low-activity oriented mafia team should be discounted. Even if the entire team doesn't fit that bill, much or most of it still can. Otherwise, I tend to put little stock in wagon-driven rationale (it tends to strike me as arbitrary), and I will need to see how associative dynamics shake out to determine if your specific assertion about Rico being a puzzle piece is suitable. I'll also be digging into Rico shortly.

Lasagna has been claimed by lasagna.

sup squad

I’m going to be away this evening, but I should be around tomorrow.

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:49 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:23 pm these are my first ISOs ever how do you like them
Why did you decide to do them this game?

I was kidding. I am well-known for wallposting, ISOing, interactive analysing, and all the other ings.

these are my first ISOs ever how do you like them

Porscha ISO

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Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:39 pm [VOTE: rabbit] aubergine pls & thank yew

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:44 pm No I just want to eat rabbit

Tell him that

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:48 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:42 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:38 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:34 pm Now I almost wish I had picked food because this trying to push townreads for this reason somehow bothers me.

I don’t see how wanting to live is inherently bad.
I've shrugged it since basically almost anything on the list contributes to living in some capacity whether that be surviving the day or night

the only one that doesn't quite do that under every circumstance is yours and JJJ's umbrella
its not the same since the wood and flint are useless to the mafia

it says in their description they specifically protect from mafia night kill, not from any kill like a vigilante

u shrugging them off and perceiving them as equal (or least representing that ur doing that) sounds believe to me, looks to me like u town told. enjoy the ride buddy
The items are useless in that their abilities so not help the mafia. But the items are not useless, in that it would benefit the wolves to steal any protection away from town for night kills

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:48 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:45 pm Vote iaafr
Vote rabbit8
Vote Ultra
Vote Carotte
Hehe

I voted you btw

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:52 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:51 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:48 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:45 pm Vote iaafr
Vote rabbit8
Vote Ultra
Vote Carotte
Hehe

I voted you btw

JaggedJimmyJay in thousands of games past wrote: Why

Loooool

2.5 town is not enough!!! (Especially cuz I know I'm not 1 of them, how dare you tbh)

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:08 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:53 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:39 pm [VOTE: rabbit] aubergine pls & thank yew
Porscha picking the only meat on the menu? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM :think:
There is literally a Turkey leg as an option

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:09 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:54 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:52 pm Loooool

2.5 town is not enough!!! (Especially cuz I know I'm not 1 of them, how dare you tbh)
It certainly isn't enough to win the game!

Do you have more than 2.5 town reads at the moment?
Yes. 18 town reads

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:10 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:57 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:54 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:51 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:48 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:45 pm Vote iaafr
Vote rabbit8
Vote Ultra
Vote Carotte
Hehe

I voted you btw

JaggedJimmyJay in thousands of fake games past wrote: lol get rekt

It disappoints me to admit that I have probably written that post before. I am 35 years old, and I bet I wrote that post when I was over 30 years old. What the hell am I doing?
You're being funny, congratulations

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:32 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:17 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:10 am You're being funny, congratulations
That makes me feel decidedly unrekt

You're kinda fishy
Sorry, I can be more traditionally smart ass

God jjj, you're such a boomer. Get rekt.

Porscha's entry to the game seemed a bit off to me, primarily for her exchange with me. "I voted you btw" followed by chummy joking when I asked about it felt awkward.

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This is slightly better. It's not much, but at least it presents a capacity for moving the game.

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I forgot about this. If true, it might render some of my previous thoughts meaningless. Porscha could you please indicate about where you started posting with knowledge of your role?

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Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:04 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:15 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:13 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

vivax goat

have a townread

and get outta here. u earned it
:eyebrow: earned a tr for making a vote? lmao

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:06 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:00 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:59 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:32 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:10 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

In a game i played w wolf creature recently on fol he posted a bit, got caught, then left wolf chat middle of the day, got chopped. He hates playing mafia (like scum)
But Creature hasn't even posted yet? It's not like he posted and dipped, he just hasn't been here.
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:16 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine
Ok these votes are just random at this point. Why are there 2 voters on a 0-poster?
why not? killing a d1 zero poster is +ev for both teams. Wolves get an easy miselim and town get rid of someone who isnt posting. Either way its good and the later mentioned reason that creature low posts as wolf so its +ev for him to be a wolf
based so lets kill sean
>sean easily found as town
>"lets kill sean before he has done anything"
>?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:07 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:04 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:04 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:15 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:13 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

vivax goat

have a townread

and get outta here. u earned it
:eyebrow: earned a tr for making a vote? lmao
not just any vote. my vote. also ur maf
hey nice read you're really nailing trying to shade everyone who hasn't posted in the last 6 hours despite 2 of them being notably polarized

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:01 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:13 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:07 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:04 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:04 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:15 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:13 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

vivax goat

have a townread

and get outta here. u earned it
:eyebrow: earned a tr for making a vote? lmao
not just any vote. my vote. also ur maf
hey nice read you're really nailing trying to shade everyone who hasn't posted in the last 6 hours despite 2 of them being notably polarized

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine
Which 2?
I havent read everything so might be more but me and sean are the 2 I was talking about

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:02 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:37 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:06 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:00 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:59 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:32 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:10 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

In a game i played w wolf creature recently on fol he posted a bit, got caught, then left wolf chat middle of the day, got chopped. He hates playing mafia (like scum)
But Creature hasn't even posted yet? It's not like he posted and dipped, he just hasn't been here.
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:16 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine
Ok these votes are just random at this point. Why are there 2 voters on a 0-poster?
why not? killing a d1 zero poster is +ev for both teams. Wolves get an easy miselim and town get rid of someone who isnt posting. Either way its good and the later mentioned reason that creature low posts as wolf so its +ev for him to be a wolf
based so lets kill sean
>sean easily found as town
>"lets kill sean before he has done anything"
>?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
isnt this a very typical wolf porscha post?

@Scotty @S~V~S from hotdog fingers. same thing no? the tone
Lol why arent you actually combating my point?

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:07 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:04 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:02 pm Lol why arent you actually combating my point?
which points? why im scumreading u and sean? u said it urself. ur polarized. ur not being towny. so i have to think ur maf
1) you said I wasnt, so even if I say I am, you are going against your own read of me to make this push
2) how am I not being towny? Any wolf could just say "Oinga boinga person isnt town"

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:09 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:06 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:05 pm How can you just at people to sheep you
me pinging svs and scotty? i was asking them on their opinion. since they also played in the referenced game, vs u
I see you arent bothering to ask people in the game playing with me right now for their reads? Why? You're like, leading people into a conclusion you're pushing

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:12 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:10 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:07 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:04 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:02 pm Lol why arent you actually combating my point?
which points? why im scumreading u and sean? u said it urself. ur polarized. ur not being towny. so i have to think ur maf
1) you said I wasnt, so even if I say I am, you are going against your own read of me to make this push
2) how am I not being towny? Any wolf could just say "Oinga boinga person isnt town"
1) true but i wasnt thinking too much. i mostly just wanted to say "u said it urself" coz it sounded cool. and then i went along with it

2) what thing have u done that makes u feel like u deserve to be townread?
I dont need to be super mega obvious town 24 hours into the game to not get bullshit polarize argumented especially by you. How am I supposed to not see you as being opportunistic by making this argument that you just said you dont believe in

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:14 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:12 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:09 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:06 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:05 pm How can you just at people to sheep you
me pinging svs and scotty? i was asking them on their opinion. since they also played in the referenced game, vs u
I see you arent bothering to ask people in the game playing with me right now for their reads? Why? You're like, leading people into a conclusion you're pushing
what? i shared my scumread on u. i double checked with scotty and svs. thats it. i dont need to ask ppl for their opinions, they're already giving them, and im reading them. i specifically asked svs and scotty since they played vs wolf u recently
Lol

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:16 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:13 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:12 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:10 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:07 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:04 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:02 pm Lol why arent you actually combating my point?
which points? why im scumreading u and sean? u said it urself. ur polarized. ur not being towny. so i have to think ur maf
1) you said I wasnt, so even if I say I am, you are going against your own read of me to make this push
2) how am I not being towny? Any wolf could just say "Oinga boinga person isnt town"
1) true but i wasnt thinking too much. i mostly just wanted to say "u said it urself" coz it sounded cool. and then i went along with it

2) what thing have u done that makes u feel like u deserve to be townread?
I dont need to be super mega obvious town 24 hours into the game to not get bullshit polarize argumented especially by you. How am I supposed to not see you as being opportunistic by making this argument that you just said you dont believe in
my role is pretty towny so cope + seethe + mald + L + bozo
Assuming you arent lying about the role, assuming it has to be town, assuming jjj isnt wolf with you, assuming,,,,,,,,,,,

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:19 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:17 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:16 pm Assuming you arent lying about the role, assuming it has to be town, assuming jjj isnt wolf with you, assuming,,,,,,,,,,,

There there
>:( dont TOUCH ME

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:28 pm Yes yes the joke was funny earlier

Your ability to make me have a giggle will not stop me from SR'ing you

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:34 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:31 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:28 pm Yes yes the joke was funny earlier

Your ability to make me have a giggle will not stop me from SR'ing you
Do you believe the comparisons tutuu has drawn between you in this game and you as mafia in the past are unfounded?
Yes

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:34 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:34 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:31 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:28 pm Yes yes the joke was funny earlier

Your ability to make me have a giggle will not stop me from SR'ing you
Do you believe the comparisons tutuu has drawn between you in this game and you as mafia in the past are unfounded?
Yes
Everything she has said about me is pointless and unfounded

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:37 pm I've never seen tutuu wolf but town tutuu doesnt try to just wolf read me with no actual reasons. Anyone can say to anyone "you arent obv town in these first 24 hours like most other players" so why me? She thinks it's an easy push or, if I am being as generous as possible, at best it's a reaction test because she wants to be able to just locktown me by getting me to town tell. But she knows she doesnt have to do the latter to tr me so I am lead to believe it is wolf motivated

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:45 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:40 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:38 pm I havent obv towned but her and most people in this game knows the chances of me doing that in the first 24 hours isnt likely anyway. Like in se7en, mac sr'd me for the same unfounded reasons, and tutuu let it happen cuz she was a sin. And now she is using it here
I WAS TOWN i had u as townread i just wasnt invested in the game
... really?

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:57 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:45 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:40 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:38 pm I havent obv towned but her and most people in this game knows the chances of me doing that in the first 24 hours isnt likely anyway. Like in se7en, mac sr'd me for the same unfounded reasons, and tutuu let it happen cuz she was a sin. And now she is using it here
I WAS TOWN i had u as townread i just wasnt invested in the game
... really?
Okay OKAY that was my bad lmao but even your point that svs only rands mafia early was a scummy comment so liiiike

Porscha went after tutuu with some fervor. The spirit of the accusations looks okay even if I don't agree with the premise. This is probably the first sliver of the energized Porscha sass I expect to see from her as town.

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I had noted earlier that Porscha's non-tutuu reads were still limited, and I asked her to give some. She responded with "Scotty was kinda towny", which provides a backdrop for the above declination of the Scotty wagon. Consistency is simple, but at least there's some kind of path leading here.

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This is a significant reversal, and I don't really know what brought it on. I think I like it anyway, as it is difficult to assign a "mafia agenda" to Porscha swapping her strongest read in this fashion. Folks are allowed to reconsider their reads. It'd still be ideal for Porscha to expand on what she found towny in this moment.

Separate note: it appears Porscha ended Day 1 without a vote in the poll. That's weird.

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It's a mixed bag overall. My mental impression of Porscha was of someone just kind of existing in the game, and I think she is at least better than that. There are some good things in here. I'd be more comfortable with greater clarity on the tutuu reversal and why no Day 1 vote.

I could go for a diet lime coke

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I suggested before that I might know what this meant, but motobot never clarified. So my guess is only as good as anyone else's. What I figured: "tutuu was trying to get their way" is the accusation. "tutuu tried to say that they were just saying what they thought" is the rationale that motobot has ascribed to tutuu explaining her own behavior (with the implication that he doesn't buy it).

Anyway it doesn't matter much, because I don't think that makes the post more town even if I'm right.

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Today's posts. I'm glad to see you getting involved motobot! I'm not clear on how these reads developed or were determined. I appreciate you providing them nonetheless, and if you could expand on your thoughts that'd be awesome.

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I view motobot at face value as almost pure rand. By POE that might make him worse than rand. Regardless he's in my POE pool.

I'm mostly on board with tutuu's reads. I am less confident in Porscha, but I'll see how I feel on review.

More to come later. I called earlier for open ears and a forum for communication, so if there are grievances or disagreements about any of my conclusions, please lemme have them. I'm listening.

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69 posts. Nice.

I'm going to ignore the first few posts since Lime Coke said he hadn't seen the hub yet.

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I can appreciate this mindset, as it's not that dissimilar from my own initial view of tutuu. I cared less about the logic or theoretical correctness of her mechanical perspectives than about what she was trying to do with them (find town reads).

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This serves as a reminder that LC's suspicion of Rico has been around most of the game so far. Perhaps the second post in there could be called nuance, though that feels generous.

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Early in the game, Scotty, tutuu, and I were vibing a little bit around our initial town reads, and our lists were a lot like this one (at least mine was). LC arrived a bit late to the party, but at least he contributed to what I perceive to be a pro-town solving environment. I was about to comment on the absence of S~V~S to complete the "sheep circle" so to speak (sans-Rico), but LC commented on that in his next post. So that's nice.

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The list continued to develop, so one cannot accuse LC of lacking in town reads or failing to promote POE solving.

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Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 6:58 pm
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Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:17 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:40 am Page two and the mech talk is fine, I suppose. Easy pocket material, tho, especially with the prevalent "ooh tutuu is town for mechtalking this much" sentiment.

Tutuu still bit wishwashy or just plain derpy now with the whole "town be swag and not pick food" but then "oh wait getting increasingly hungry will lose game for town" progression.

Ping on Rondo asking to be grouped with the mechtalkers. For what? Or what kind of cred?

I don't think the game will be faultily designed (especially with this being an Epig game) as to reach a mechanical loss i.e. fX town being starved or mafia hogging all the protections each time.
I don't think Tutuu was towny for the mech talk alone. Normally I'm one of the many people who hates mech talk. But I felt like the way Tutuu went with it was at least done in a positive way to use to at least try to clear people using it.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:27 am Man....idk how I wanna go about these thinking about it.

Zenon let's lean town.

[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine

Let's lean this wolf.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:16 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:13 am I thought rico is towny on tone
His responses to being scumread/voted aren't bad, tbh.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 11:56 am [VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine
Lime Coke on Ricochet

Yeah it's been back and forth and I just ended up voting him instead.

Don't find him towny besides his responses to votes.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:07 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:07 pm Yeah it's been back and forth and I just ended up voting him instead.

Don't find him towny besides his responses to votes.
Are you able to describe your concern, even if just vaguely?
Kind of just straightforward his solving doesn't feel real/like a mess and I really don't find it enough for me to townread.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:09 pm Vote preference for the current 2+ vote wagons:

Wilgy > Scotty > Rico > tutuu

We're not trapped on these four though. We have 51 minutes, and it could be anyone.
You think Scotty has a higher chance of flipping mafia than Rico?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:10 pm Like my thing with Scotty is that he wasn't this like, really aggressive with his answering when he was partners with me like about a year ago, I feel. Which was why I was considering him town so hard.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:23 pm @Lime Coke what do you think of Rico's case against Scotty?
I...guess I get the reasoning.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:28 pm I can't fact check it...or I don't feel like fact checking but like.

JJJ did you sus Vivax first and Scotty outed the sus second or was that point bullshit?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:39 pm Ughhh I don't like this now idk.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:55 pm [VOTE: Vivax] aubergine

We'll try it.

This is all of LC's posts in the final hour toward EOD1. They're okay? I add the question mark, because I don't feel that strongly, but I don't think these are bad posts. My questions with LC tend to be about his read on Rico, but otherwise I think there's a reasonable progression here.

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I liked this ISO more than I anticipated. LC had been kind of a fuzzy shade of beige in my head, and I groaned about that with tutuu. But on review, the ISO doesn't seem that bad. I think I can see some gears churning. I will probably learn more about both of them when I review Rico. If I were to nitpick, perhaps I'd say LC seems a bit robotic. I'm not sure that's a fair gripe.

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In isolation this read is friovolous, though I might credit falcon a bit when I extend it to more recent history when he expressed some vague misgivings about me. That'd suggest an active process exists.

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Not super thrilled with this, as the "Creature zero posts as mafia" trope is pretty dated and untrue. Technically this can apply to tutuu as well, though the tagalong vote is what pings me.

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I said before that I don't associate falcon with easy town reads, so this is a bit jarring. "I town read you, because you also didn't know about the game/your role card" is hard to take seriously.

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First mention of Scotty is a vote, other than [sort of] this irrelevant thing. This was a few hours prior to EOD, and falcon's last post of Day 1. It came immediately after Wilgy sussed Scotty, and it represents the second-such moment (paralleling his vote for Creature after tutuu griped). It'd be a brazen form of wave-riding, but I don't town read it.

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I don't think falcon looks awful as I kind of thought he might. Nonetheless I have gripes, primarily about the frivolity of his reads/votes, and he remains in my POE pool.

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For the first 24 hours, Wilgy wanted to eat me. I am delicious.

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Two minutes passed between these reads on falcon, during which falcon posted twice:

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This is all kind of a wet fart, and it makes me question if Wilgy's open to Day 2 was truthful:

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Scotty was mafia because he picked flint. Scotty was mafia because of writing "wilgy" as a typo in a post. Scotty was mafia because ~vague "resistance" wagon motion~. Meh.

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Wilgy is a suspect.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:28 pm @JaggedJimmyJay

My reasoning for voting Ricochet when it got later on Day 1, was because of this post.

Felt like it was scummy just because it was basically like what Seanzie said. Too much commentary on random things, not really applying reads on most of the slots in the game after the "analysis"?

I appreciate the perspective. I have a reply about that particular gripe, but I'd prefer to discuss it more in-depth when I review Rico. I'll give a quick cliff's notes: commentary without conclusions can be a classically suspicious thing, but I'm not sure that's a charitable interpretation of what Rico posted.

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die_meatbaby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:24 am @@tutuu
Why did you vote on me? I literally made 2 posts what supect you about that. Didn't really start here and already got a vote??

die_meatbaby wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:28 am Sorry I was working long yesterday and didn't had any energy to write here. Also that I am just writing on the phone because I can't log in on my fucking PC and this piss me of. My Screen on the Phone is ripped and so it takes fucking nervs do write with this thing
@tutuu
I played 2 games before and never did somebody have a ego like yours and annoyed me this fucking much. You literally just piss me of with no fucking reason.... I sorry that I didn't have time to spam the thread with bs like you.

die_meatbaby wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:49 am Oh meme it is again.... Can't communicate in words?
Also on the beginning of the game you voted with no reason on me. I made like 3 posts and you just vote on me with no particular reason. This shit doesn't help The Town. Can play real as well or should I show you how you fucking play town or as in in your position how to pretend being civilian. You are Mafia or Wolf, or how ever scum in this game is called,making much post to seem like insane active town who wants to win. But you made a mistake. Don't fucking annoy Civilian. Also spam with Bullshit doesn't help Town either! It's only my 3th game here but still def sure you are just not able to play scum because this is not Townisch what you do.

die_meatbaby wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:04 am Only Steg and V works on your keyboard? Send me an address or and post office in your near so I can send you an working keyboard. Sorry if it's not your keyboard... It's illegal to send Brains. Even if I am wrong and you are town then I am rather taking a misslynch on you than on any other Civilian. This shit die help to find scum. You vote on me in the first 5 hours of the game and answered me with you have no reason for the vote on me. I mean this Bullshit doesn't belong here. Last time I will aks gently. Pls can you write in words and not always answer in memes? Pls can you behave like Town if you are or really want to lose on Wolf on D1 also not good for your wolf teammates as well.

I think folks saw these posts and kinda just dropped meatbaby into an "angry new town player" bucket. That's understandable, and I kinda did the same thing. Still, I think we need to temper that reception. I don't know if anyone here has played with them, but I have no knowledge of their personality. The gist of the angst here is "you voted for me" and "you post too much", and those complaints are not town-indicative.

I did highlight one small portion in red that still looks more town than not -- there's a certain bravado in "But you made a mistake." that I recognize a bit from my earliest playing days in like 2011, when I wanted to show that I wasn't a punk.

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Regardless of alignment, please don't call people "it".

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This is probably the best material in meatbaby's favor. They had a reason to town read Vivax uniquely their own, and they voted Scotty despite openly feeling like it wasn't a great vote -- forcing oneself to take a stance in a standoff EOD vote like that is generally a good thing, especially for a newer player.

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I end feeling decent about meatbaby again, albeit not for quite the same reasons that I suspect earned them credit in the first place.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:48 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:46 pm Who's in yer town group thus far?
I feel pretty good or better about each of the following:

Martin
Ricochet
Rondo
tutuu
Zenon
You're still townreading Ricochet? Why?

If you check back in my ISO you'll see the conversation I had with Seanzie about Rico. I'm in the process of reviewing everything today, so we'll see what comes up.

The phrasing of your question is goofy, particularly that word "still". Why should I not be town reading Rico, and/or what is the process of events that suggests my read should change?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 2:00 am I'd like to hear what you have to say re:my post about Rico.

I can provide a more complete answer when I review Rico properly. I think Vivax and Scotty are the most apparent examples of Rico providing tangible perspectives though. Scotty was the most overt and unambiguous. Vivax wasn't as clear, but I do believe an overall message resembling "I see some of your grievances with Vivax, JJJ, though I don't feel as strongly or agree in the case of this/that post" is a perspective that carries meaning. As for the development of his Vivax read, I will need to dig in and absorb to determine how I feel.

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Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:32 pm Please don't mislynch me for just not posting

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:32 pm I was planning to post tonight or whenever I got time for it

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:33 pm search.php?author_id=648&t=2527

I got mislynched for the same reason in Art Upick and I still ended up voting a wolf right

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:34 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:28 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:22 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:20 pm No I missed that. Yikes.

Please don't tell me it was becasue of that ^^ lol I'll be annoyed that I'll have no choice but to take that into account lol
nah he aint scotty just mad we voting for 0 posting creature
Thanks , I just searched the thread for Creature, and found some people *thinking* Creature could be bad, but no outing that I saw.

K really shower dinner
How can I be bad for 0 posting?

Like, I always try to post something as wolf and if I am 0 posting it almost always mean I am genuinely busy and hence it's completely NAI

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:35 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:33 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:32 pm I was planning to post tonight or whenever I got time for it
There's the man/beast/monster/thing of the hour!

Is it true that you prefer to ghost when you're bad because you hate it?
I tend to ghost only under pressure

I don't ghost from the get go

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:35 pm especially because that would go against the spirits and I would get in trouble if I just ghosted my wolf games

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:37 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:36 pm ok i changed my vote to [VOTE: bezly] aubergine #forscotty

ideally i keep making creature squirm to make him spew alignment but id feel bad even tho its just a game
I don't intentionally 0 post as wolf

If I was wolf and not busy I would've already posted something

but I am busy

so I zeroposted

and it's entirely NAI

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:37 pm Don't make a fool of yourself like Art Upick town

I would call all of this material NAI. I have no grievance with Creature applying self-meta reads here, and he probably has more reason than most given his widely recognized reputation (whether it is dated or not) for being "polarized" by volume. Nonetheless, none of this makes him town.

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Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:40 pm Hmm Belzy didn't post either

Why are you voting zeroposters?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:41 pm Scotty also feels town, but I don't know exactly how his wolfgame looks like

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:56 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:52 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:35 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:33 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:32 pm I was planning to post tonight or whenever I got time for it
There's the man/beast/monster/thing of the hour!

Is it true that you prefer to ghost when you're bad because you hate it?
I tend to ghost only under pressure

I don't ghost from the get go
Appreciate the honesty.

Do you think any of the players that voted you (tutuu > falcon > vivax) did so with opportunistic agenda or intent?
I don't know

tutuu admitted he's just fucking with you

falcon and Vivax might be doing the level 0 read of "creature not posting = wolf" when that's clearly untrue

but aorn Seanzie's two posts look worse

I wonder if he's just as busy as I am

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:57 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:54 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:46 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:42 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:29 pm @Seanzie COME HERE FAST

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:45 am [VOTE: Red Mushroom] aubergine
Is Seanzie okay?
Seems pretty standard Seanzie. Stares into space for 12 hours and then does some shrooms in the corner
I thought Seanzie would've done something already as town

but maybe he's just as busy or legitimately doesn't care about this game

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:57 pm It doesn't feel like anyone is taking this game seriously

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:03 pm [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

but I am not done here

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:05 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:28 pm WAIT JJJ is playing!?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:29 pm Hey JJJ wanna be buddies again and slam the competition? Mason time?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:32 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:31 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:29 pm Hey JJJ wanna be buddies again and slam the competition? Mason time?
If you do your thing, my good Rondo, then I suspect we'll end up slamming by default.
Pocket accepted
This looks too buddying

These posts I liked more on initial inspection. To my memory, the way town Creature interacts with a game thread, beyond his token brand of discontent, is to dump a can of marbles onto it and let them splay about at random until they settle in wherever they may. The marbles are his reads, replies, and general gamestate commentary. They are unordered but authentic. And I think these posts have that appearance.

I'll acknowledge that this might present a low "how hard is this to fake" barrier, so if anyone gripes with this particular view -- please say so. It's still my prevailing perspective.

That's the majority of his Day 1. Today he has opened with two yawns and votes for Martin ("vote" in that case) and Rico. I don't believe Creature has previously discussed Rico, so that'd be a good thing to do. Expand on that vote please.

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Overall I am left with vibes. I think Creature feels fine and little beyond that. Vaguely town.

Belzy ISO

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There isn't much to say here, so I won't dwell. Belzy hasn't begun to play yet, essentially. They'll remain in any POE so long as that persists, but they already indicated that they will get involved. So cool beans. I gave them one basic prompt to respond to, and their responses were exactly fine. Belzy is the definition of "rand" -- I have little overt suspicion, but they're POE.

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