The Syndicate

I could do Sloonei, though I tend to believe that if any suspicion of him is entertained it'd need to be the other team. I think he drove the Marmot elimination more than everyone else on the Marmot wagon save arguably one or two.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:01 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:00 pm Hey gang, who's my next Marmot analysis? I have falcon on my list, so maybe I guess. I think he's town meh

who have you done already again?

Long Con
Nanook
tedxtr
KZA
JPIC
fingersplints
BoKnows
AL_Sama

One nice thing: Sloonei suggested earlier that it's not yet a certainly that we really are in a multiple mafia teams game. Whatever convenience some might worry about aside, it is technically the truth.

But it really doesn't matter, at least not given my view of the game. The suspects seem to be generally the same either way.

One nice thing: Sloonei suggested earlier that it's not yet a certainly that we really are in a multiple mafia teams game. Whatever convenience some might worry about aside, it is technically the truth.

But it really doesn't matter, at least not given my view of the game. The suspects seem to be generally the same either way.

Hey gang, who's my next Marmot analysis? I have falcon on my list, so maybe I guess. I think he's town meh

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:56 pm

Which players exactly do you suspect Alison has semi-TMI'ed?

Dom would be a good vigilante target. He'd be a boring vigilante target, but I'd shoot 'em.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:49 pm @JaggedJimmyJay what do you think we should do about Dom? I don’t know how to read him from such little content. I mean this thread is a lot, but how much time do we give? I don’t want to give someone not posting a free pass either. I don’t know the answer here

I don't hold his disinterest in keeping up with this game against him. I kind of expected that once it became clear he wouldn't make it here until it was already an exploded game.

Likewise I don't give him a pass. He's a candidate to be mafia in that I have no reason to call him a civilian.

We'll also have to see how nova has designed his factional kills.

Across the Internet, multiple mafia teams usually means multiple factional kills every night. That's probably the most likely scenario, but it's not the only possibility. Classical Syndicate multiball of yesteryear instead featured mafia teams that alternated kills on even/odd nights. I think nova has probably been around long enough to at least see those games, and perhaps play in them (I'd have to look).

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:45 pm Would you prefer another Kansas City Maf or hunt a Gerhardt this RD?

Eliminating a Gerhardt, if it turns out that really is the name, would be ideal. I'd prefer to open the doors of the hunt to find both teams simultaneously, and when there's a dead body to dissect it's much more manageable. I will vote a KC suspect first though if there's any consensus forming against someone I town read as a Gerhardt suspect.

Indeed my most likely vote will fall upon someone I view as a candidate for either team. I expect some of those to exist by the time I have completed my work. This all assumes I am alive on Day 2.

It probably doesn't need to be said, but whatever: neither Marmot nor Dom said anything about one another. They're compatible by default.

Interactions: Marmot and Long Con

From Marmot


Marmot took a decent while to acknowledge that Long Con exists, and when he did I get an impression of it being forced. It looks like Marmot talking about Long Con exactly for the sake of talking about Long Con.

I wanted to ISO LC
I'm not voting for Long Con (when he's under no threat)

So that's not my favorite thing.

From Long Con


That's it. No improvement. Maybe worse.

Long Con can be Marmot's teammate. This would probably represent the most "obvious" relationship I have observed so far. I'll skip the wifom embedded in that observation and just say he's a high candidate to be Kansas City Mafia.

Interactions: Marmot and Nanook

From Marmot


The most telling stuff to me is in orange. We can play wifom all day if we want, but I don't care about that. This looks like a read by Marmot, one that he is actually entertaining. That he had to clarify himself and acknowledge that Nanook and/or SPF could have been joking sells that effectively. If Marmot thinks Nanook and SPF might be teamed in a multiball scenario, then Nanook is not on his team (and nor is SPF). If you, dear reader, would prefer to be more careful with this take, I don't blame you. But it's my perspective.

Red stuff: I absolutely do not care about this. I think it would be a fool's errand to interpret Marmot, more than perhaps any other player on The Syndicate, on the basis of stuff like this.

Green stuff: I am referring to the entire exchange starting with this green post. It's a soft interaction, so I say this cautiously, but I think it looks like Marmot being inquisitive with Nanook more than it looks like Marmot using Nanook as an excuse to Make Posts (in a way suggestive of a "hunt").

From Nanook


It's a wet fart from Nanook's side. There are more posts, but they're all directly related to what I have already covered.

Overall I would lean away from associating Nanook with Marmot. I'd be more comfortable with that if Nanook had given me something more of substance to solidify that perspective. With what I have though, I'd lean toward doubt. Nanook could still fit well enough into a general POE just for his posts on their own power, so those who suspect him aren't necessarily at odds with me. We just may have different reasons.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:09 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:03 pm Okee dokee. To what extent would you say you suspect Alison, Longety Conaroo?

Take a look at Marmot & nooks interactions, tell me what ya think

I shorely will! Shorely!

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Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:08 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:03 pm Okee dokee. To what extent would you say you suspect Alison, Longety Conaroo?

She is one of my top suspicions at this moment.

Was there a specific time and/or post where your suspicion really took shape?

Okee dokee. To what extent would you say you suspect Alison, Longety Conaroo?

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:57 am JJJ referring to himself in the third person is sus

He is legion, for they are many.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:58 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:57 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:55 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:52 am ¿How do TMI town when two mafia?

Semi-TMI.

What’s your read on MacDougall and JaggedJimmyJay?

I trust Joseph more than I trust you. He's a town read, you are a slight town lean.

Cool beans. What has you sold on Broseph and less sold on Jayseph?

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:55 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:54 am The night phase is an unfortunate time to air these doubts.

well it hasn't crossed my mind until now

Let’s allow people to die.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:55 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:52 am ¿How do TMI town when two mafia?

Semi-TMI.

What’s your read on MacDougall and JaggedJimmyJay?

The night phase is an unfortunate time to air these doubts.

¿How do TMI town when two mafia?

@tedxtr once you sort out these possible non-teammates, who stands out among the rest as Kansas City Mafia?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:13 am Lack of paranoia for them is nagl
Like how on Earth you ride or die with them villagers? I don't get it

I am the opposite of a paranoid player. I don’t think that way or care about that. While I respect the games of Mac and Alison, I don’t fear them. That’s what it’d mean to just be paranoid without a concrete reason.

I am JaggedJimmyJay. I am the Lost Ego of 2017. I am the KOFM. I am benevolent. I am forgiving. I am brave.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:51 am jjj if you still have hope left that i'm a villager, all i need is some direction on where to look and i can give thoughts fwiw

Literally anywhere. Go through Marmot’s posts and find evidence of teammates and non-teammates.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:39 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:54 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:47 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:41 am Ride or die town reads:

Strawhenge
MacDougall
Alison
Oddmerta
falcon

I could still put Sloonei here. In the interest of responsible skepticism I will refrain for the time being.

Explain me Alison please
And Mac

Both reads can be described similarly. They’ve portrayed the right sort of town-oriented mindsets, played to them, and in one way or another each contributed something to the thread climate that resulted in Marmot’s destruction. They’re going to resolve themselves. If they don’t, we worry about that later. Probably much later.

I think this post can be applied to almost every player in almost any game.

I don’t.

Do you have suspicions of Mac or Alison?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:32 am I would say two names look bad here and the rest look good.

You know my next question.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:16 am idk how i could be possibly read as mafia with marmot - if I wanted to go down the route of falling flat on my nose after consciously deciding to protect a team mate for bad reasons, I would probably never back down

it's just not how I play as a wolf, but ymmv.

I will continue listening to what you have to say. If you’re not a Marmoteer, you have a premium opportunity to figure out who is. You get to skip one of the top suspects (you)!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:08 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:00 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:58 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:58 pm There's no way Mac has my role, I'm confused as hell rn, are you being serious?

no he's not being serious smh your fake claim is safe

Your theory about multiball is correct.

Has anyone been so bold yet as to suggest that maybe this was a lie?

I thought it was at first, but I think “Kansas City Mafia” is a pretty good clue.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:53 am Would TSP hint at the multiball setup unprovoked on Day 0 if he was mafia with direct knowledge of the setup?

I don’t think that’s a sort of wifom I’m going to mess with. “Could be”

TSP’s insights about how people handled All That initially would be interesting to hear though.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:57 am jay making a list of all the 1000+ single posters was the worst mistake you've ever made

I had better die before I make another appearance

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:52 am @jagged -

if you will indulge me in a moment of ego/self-absorption, what do you think are the primary factors that have prevented you from being able to confidently townread me in this game? what are you searching for that you have not found? i am especially curious about this because of how quickly you found me during champs, but i know the context and levels of effort were radically different

ive concluded that youre locktown regardless so your answer will realistically have no bearing on how i read you, but im interested nonetheless

The primary factor is probably presence. You suggested earlier that you feel like you’ve posted more than you have. To my eyes, you’ve posted about as much as it feels like you’ve posted. That’s not some critical problem, but it reflects the space remaining in my brain for SPF to be mafia. It’s a “range” thing. I don’t actively suspect you to any meaningful degree or feel like you’re A Concern. But when the standard prompted is “bet the game on them” — not quite there.

Keep doing your thing and I think we’ll be fine.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:47 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:41 am Ride or die town reads:

Strawhenge
MacDougall
Alison
Oddmerta
falcon

I could still put Sloonei here. In the interest of responsible skepticism I will refrain for the time being.

Explain me Alison please
And Mac

Both reads can be described similarly. They’ve portrayed the right sort of town-oriented mindsets, played to them, and in one way or another each contributed something to the thread climate that resulted in Marmot’s destruction. They’re going to resolve themselves. If they don’t, we worry about that later. Probably much later.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:45 am tell me about falcon

Just seems obvious to me. I’ll look at Marmot interactions to be thorough, but as of right this moment that’s not a slot that concerns me at all. From the word go he’s been Doing Town Things. He has griped at very personal suspicions without regard for consensus, he has pushed them to his own heart’s desire, and he hasn’t given a damn. He’s been a wordier Oddmerta, perhaps.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:40 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:37 am @Sloonei do you have an updated view of Alison?

My Day 0 suspicion has vanished. She's not a concern right now.

Does the discovery of two mafia teams have any immediate impact upon your conception of the game and/or your reads?

Ride or die town reads:

Strawhenge
MacDougall
Alison
Oddmerta
falcon

I could still put Sloonei here. In the interest of responsible skepticism I will refrain for the time being.

@Sloonei do you have an updated view of Alison?

I think the Sloonei/Jay/Mac triad works this way:

Sloonei reads Jay better than Mac reads Jay.
Sloonei reads Mac better than Jay reads Mac. This one’s probably close.
Jay reads Sloonei better than Mac reads Sloonei.

Maybe Mac gets more credit here if we add dunya.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:30 am how am i meant to reconcile jay saying sloonei is a villager and mac saying he’s not? they know sloonei equally well but don’t have the same read

jay and mac, maybe try to hash this out between yourselves?

All respect to Mac, but I read Sloonei a thousand times better than he does.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:35 pm and also, without having read most of the final 2 hours of the Day and nearly everything that's been said during the night phase, I am still wary of the tutuu/hally slot for all the same reasons I expressed earlier.

I think I'm fine with Hally at this point. I'll listen to arguments to the contrary. Not feeling it though.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:27 pm That is purely a product of my schedule. Game started on a day off. I've since worked 2 of the last 3 days. They were long and draining shifts. I also have wanted to lay a bit lower than usual this game anyway, at least to start. I'd like to let the game come to me, rather than forcing things.

It happens, and I believe I can recall seeing a situation like this in the past from town Sloonei. We have a dead mafioso, so when you're ready to dig in there will be no shortage of avenues to make your presence felt. I'll leave you to do that or not do that.

I agree with the general sentiment Hally alluded to earlier. Though the advent of Fargo Multiball irks me because of the implications to the 4,000 posts of hunt already here and of those to come, I am less upset than I could have been. I think Marmot was caught by pretty standard POE work, and that may suggest that the normal methods aren't completely invalid yet. More vigilant skepticism will be necessary, but town reads can still be town reads.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:20 pm Are there any bubbling concerns I can respond to right now?

Not sure about "bubbling", but perhaps a low, ominous rumble:

You started hot and lost considerable steam. Sometimes it's difficult to maintain appearances more than 48 hours in a game where nobody ever shuts the hell up. And without a clearer expression of your overall view of the game I'm foggier on Sloonei than I usually am.

Note to self: review Marmot stuff for falcon, Long Con, and whoever else seems worth looking at

Too tired to continue right now.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:16 pm These days I always find myself wanting to compare folks to Beggbow. To recapture the Beggbow magic.

AL_sama's treatment of ted kinda reminds me of Beggbow's treatment of Mellow Ezlo. This is a reach. I don't care.

alison failed to consider the existence of Beggbow when she made her signature say: "There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing."

i can see it

just remembered you calling him Boggart over and over and cried

Perhaps I am town-tunneled on Strawhenge, but I think he responded to Marmot at EOD exactly the way I'd expect him to. The EOD dynamic really has changed over the last five years. Players are way better at looking authentic under pressure than they used to be.

These days I always find myself wanting to compare folks to Beggbow. To recapture the Beggbow magic.

AL_sama's treatment of ted kinda reminds me of Beggbow's treatment of Mellow Ezlo. This is a reach. I don't care.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:11 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:07 pm I want to play mafia with y'all but I'm too tired to do any backreading right now, so can somebody like hand me a controller that's not actually plugged in and let me pretend I'm doing stuff?

I understand your fatigue. Be aware though that since we've opened the doors to two mafia teams, you're a prime candidate to attract tinfoil galore. If you don't Do Things, it's going to happen. And I'm not sure I'll defend you.

Can you just bury him? I haven't seen Jay vs. Sloonei in ever.

Unfortunately for fun-lovers everywhere, I am too fond of responsible play to do that before I feel that I should do that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:12 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:07 pm I want to play mafia with y'all but I'm too tired to do any backreading right now, so can somebody like hand me a controller that's not actually plugged in and let me pretend I'm doing stuff?

I understand your fatigue. Be aware though that since we've opened the doors to two mafia teams, you're a prime candidate to attract tinfoil galore. If you don't Do Things, it's going to happen. And I'm not sure I'll defend you.

I am not worried about this.

I'll take your word for it. You know what's expected of you. Rest if you like; I will not deny you that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:07 pm I am confused as fuck by the rest of this post. It's almost like legacy?

I read it as legacy, potential for WIFOM acknowledged. I think he might have suspected Nanook and SPF to be shielding each other as mafia for real.