The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote:I lied. I'm not the jailer. Scotty just gave himself away though.

Gman check SVS tonight. That will determine whether we vote rabbit or her. The only possible baddie after that is Epi and daisy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Theory: Scotty is the "mafia" team mate of Elohcin, and he registered as "independent" because he was the one that might betray her.

G-Man wrote:Best guess from my end is that Scotty is denying it for two reasons:

1) He's got an either/or win-con and knows the baddie team is still in tact and might still have a shot at winning

2) He doesn't want the baddies to NK him out of concern that his role could be threat to them


After getting my peek on Scotty, I did consider the fact that the accuracy of my peeks may be in question. Scoring an indy peek right out of the gate is lucky, and I considered it as possibly too good to be true. INH and Eloh's peeks being confirmed as they are gives me hope that my Scotty peek is also correct. His dismissal of indy roles early on, as Quin noted, adds credibility in my mind but it could be a coincidence.

Getting Scotty's peek on Night 1 is why I said my GTH reads needed adjusting on Day 2. I didn't want to post a revised list early in the phase because Scotty had been my #1 suspicion on Day 1 and I didn't want to draw attention to his slide in my suspects list. Someone would have wanted to know why and there wasn't anything Scotty said in the thread to justify such a drop. That might have been conspicuous to attentive players. Thankfully, the JJJ v. Epi cage match ensued and no one asked about why Scotty slipped to #3 on my list.


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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Scotty wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Scotty wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Scotty, Elohcin has since reneged on her baddie claim and resumed playing. Does this mean something to you?

Uh no? Does it you?

No, but I am not simultaneously refuting a G-Man peek.

I'm only saying what I know to be true. do you think it's at least possible that GMan is full of bunk and just got a lucky? Hell, I could have come in and said Colonel Sanders' main ingredient in his chicken is Soylent Green and it could be revealed as so. Doesn't mean I performed a dead chicken seance and learned it. Could be a lucky postulation.

Or, could be a big red bus.

I believe it's plausible. Here's my question for you though:

If G-Man faked the peek and got lucky when Elohcin fell for it, that still implies he is not on her team. So if he is good, what is the purpose of faking an indy peek on you -- especially as a night phase is ending when he might be about to die and thus unable to ever reveal the truth of that fake peek?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Scotty wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Scotty, Elohcin has since reneged on her baddie claim and resumed playing. Does this mean something to you?

Uh no? Does it you?

No, but I am not simultaneously refuting a G-Man peek.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Scotty, Elohcin has since reneged on her baddie claim and resumed playing. Does this mean something to you?

G-Man wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:G-Man, did your peek on Scotty specifically identify him as "independent" or just "not town"?

Bona fide independent. It was even a lovely shade of golden yellow. I know his role's name too but RicoHost told me that I'm not allowed to divulge that info.


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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:If Scotty is a harmless independent, then I don't know what would hold him back from just telling us that. It's legal to do so. Instead he has outright denied being an independent and called G-Man a liar -- this means one of them must be a liar at least in this instance.

S~V~S wrote:And if I was gonna revenge kill Polo (something I don't really do) I would have done it ASAP. You are also someone who might want to revenge kill him, or kill him since he read you as well as he did I in BSG.

G-Man wrote:Beautiful catch there Quin. I think you're on to something. One thing that points me slightly to S~V~S as an Eloh teammate is Polo's death. If S~V~S is a baddie, I can almost guarantee that one of the things she told her teammates was to watch out for Polo. He caught on to S~V~S in BSG and it led to a downfall that came sooner than we'd have liked. It's easy to be leery of players who were just baddies because their behavior is freshest in your memory.

Now, S~V~S has had a lot of real life stuff going on so far this game. Initially, that made me waver on her as a baddie because she is committed to a team. She doesn't give up or leave teammates hanging out of negligence. She's going under the radar this game, hiding her online status. I'm not sure if she always does that but I feel like I remember her status being visible during BSG. Her last post anywhere on The Syndicate was early Saturday evening before the lynch post even dropped. With her hidden status, it's impossible to know if she logged in for night time BTSC but it is possible that she has been absent from the game and site since then.

It's a bit of a stretch just now but here goes:

1) S~V~S subs in for one of the quiet players.

2) Eloh knows that at least one of them is a teammate of hers that she hasn't been in contact with, so she asks S~V~S who she's subbing in for.

3) On Night 1, S~V~S tells them to keep an eye out for Polo because he helped bring her down hard in BSG.

4) S~V~S disappears an hour before the D2 lynch post and doesn't come back during the night.

5) Frustrated by not having all three minds present to come up with their kill, Eloh and her other BTSC partner opt for Polo because he's barely playing (which won't disrupt any of the finger-pointing taking place) and S~V~S warned them that he can be very dangerous if he figures any of them out.


Polo was a very weird kill. I'm going to spend time over lunch processing it more.


Linki: I can't tell if Scotty is just denying it or if he is in fact hostile to the civvie cause.

Double linki: S~V~S's last post before now was on Saturday, an hour before the lynch post.


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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:No, Scotty, I don't think Polo is as suspicious as Spacedaisy. I fon't think he is as suspicious as you. "Lynch A Lurker" is not a compelling case ever.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Scotty wrote:Lol I have 10 min

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:If there's to be a counter to my wagon, I'm not enthralled by it being Polo. If not Epignosis, I could go for Spacedaisy. I'm open to discussion.

Why, if you don't want to go for the "low-hanging fruit" as you call Polo, would you want to go for Spacedaisy, who has been even more absent than Polo?

You have been soft defending Polo the past few days, and I just don't understand it. You really think SD is more suspicious?

I wouldn't be surprised if you and Polo were brothers in crime. I really wouldn't. I'm nervous to go after you right now in case you ARE the cop, but the connection is there for me. More so validated than your previously proposed INH-Epi-me link.

I'm leaving my vote on Polo.

Quin, was that "explanation" he gave really enough to quench your sus of him? Am I the only one seeing this?

Quin wrote:Scotty, who are the one or two mafia you wouldn't be surprised to be on the Vompatti bandwagon?

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I could definitely see Elo being bad. I wouldn't be surprised if SVS or SD are in fact bad in that wagon either.

You think I'm silly enough to just toss out needless defenses of my "team mate" when I'm on the chopping block, and you think Polo's scum meta is to not make posts.

Both are incredibly simplistic. I want to see you make an assertion that isn't so obvious/easy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:If there's to be a counter to my wagon, I'm not enthralled by it being Polo. If not Epignosis, I could go for Spacedaisy. I'm open to discussion.

Quin wrote:Scotty, who are the one or two mafia you wouldn't be surprised to be on the Vompatti bandwagon?

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Scotty wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I appreciate Polo's transparency in his low content position. I wouldn't lynch him, and I'd caution people against biting that low hanging fruit later in the game if I'm gone. You can be sure the baddies will try to dangle that apple. He's DFaraday right now.

I caught DFaraday being bad doing this exact thing, so this argument is bunk.

Toodles!

He also does it when good. He does it always.

Polo doesn't. If this is Polo's baddie meta then that's really weak sauce. I doubt it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Question Scotty:

Is blatant WIFOM sloppier for a townie or a baddie?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I appreciate Polo's transparency in his low content position. I wouldn't lynch him, and I'd caution people against biting that low hanging fruit later in the game if I'm gone. You can be sure the baddies will try to dangle that apple. He's DFaraday right now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Scotty, your Day1phobia is no longer applicable. What are your reads on every player?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I do think there are times and places where a meta read is a valuable component of a case. When I employ meta-based reasoning though, it tends to be a bit more nuanced and specific than merely how many posts a person has.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Scotty wrote:I thought Polo contributed plenty of content early on in SockWars. This doesn't look like the same Polo as i saw in there, but hey. It's different strokes for different people I guess.

Polo was also a major contributor in Battlestar Galactica. That's kind of the problem for me, actually. Are we going to say that Polo's meta can be described as simply as "active = town, inactive = scum"? He strikes me as quite a capable player. When he gives us so little, I feel inclined to give him a little time to find his footing.

i understand I am probably now on a watch list for that comment

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Scotty wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think we need to agree on a lynch as a group so we can overcome this abysmal no lynch wagon. I could lynch Vompatti.

Ok, I'm fine with this. He's a worse look to you than Polo? Come is a ball of unraveled yarn being sold at full price on the shelf. Polo is a can of albacore tuna being sold as yellowfin. To me anyway./quote]

This looks like it came out of the insanifier.

Polo is the standard issue bottom-tier content guy that's in every game. In my experience, that's not a strong indicator that someone is bad. He could be, but I have no clue. Vompatti has at least shown evidence that he cares about receiving votes (which I wouldn't anticipate from him in his town body), and he also contributed to the awful no lynch wagon.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Scotty wrote:Best case scenario is they're both civs, and neither is cop tbh. If one is the cop, that makes the doctor's job that much harder. Yet who the hell knows if we can believe you or INH are actually civ checks until JJJ and Wilgy are lynched?

See, fake claims can be useful..but they can also be quite a clusterfox. I would strongly suggest curtailing the peeks. Anyone does that after this is going to look very fishy to me, even if they ARE the real cop. Them's the breaks

I don't agree. I think some of you need to provide me with some freaking cover. I understand that claiming and infodumping are weird things in this environment, but that's the game we're playing. It's legal, and it's necessary. This is how we prevent a confirmed townie from being lynched. This is how we protect our most important roles. I'll return to a conversation I had in the first spectator chat for a heist game on this site:

Spoiler: show

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Talk to me about peeks. This is something I feel the players definitely should have employed here, but many of them could be unaware of that strategy completely.

To those who might be unaware of what MP is referring to, a "fake peek" in this setup is an unambiguous read planted into the thread by any player other than the cop meant to appear like it was brought on by the free ID that the cop receives at the start of the game. A "peek" is the same thing except provided by the real cop. I think there are a couple significant benefits to this:

1.) It's the most fundamental method of cop cover, something that is definitely necessary to protect the cop from the sort of misfortune FZ experienced in this Night 1. If players leave fake peeks in the thread and are convincing about it, they might draw night kills from the mafia -- and a vanilla townie being killed is less damaging to the town cause than the cop being killed. It's a form of self-sacrifice and it's very important. This might seem like something from another planet in this Syndicate environment where many people are accustomed to survival being paramount.

2.) It's extremely valuable as a means of generating objective evidence. Players can be read based upon their position in the fake peek scenario. The most significant example of this comes in the form of "SHC" (seer hunt cleared) opportunities. They call it SHC on 2+2 and elsewhere because they tend to play within the "Werewolf" aesthetic more than "Mafia", so you could also call it "CHC" (cop hunt cleared).

What this means is that fake peeks and night kill selections can be analyzed together to get conclusive evidence that a player is innocent. I'll draw an example out using RYM names:

JaggedJimmyJay says on Day 1 "I think Sloonei is a strong town read and will not participate in his lynch today." or more literally "Sloonei is my free peek."

On Night 1, the mafia kill JJJ and he flips vanilla townie.

This means Sloonei is seer hunt cleared -- because in this setup the mafia have a massive motivation to eliminate the cop as quickly as possible, and any night kill choice prior to the cop's demise can be reasoned as an attempt to kill the cop. In this case, the mafia would have killed JJJ thinking he is the cop and that Sloonei is his free peek. If they believe this, then it is impossible for Sloonei to be mafia because the free peek cannot be mafia. Any player who leaves a fake peek that ends up being a mafia player by default cannot be the cop (barring intentional fudging, but this is difficult and rare), and the mafia understand this.

However, there is also some added risk if everyone employs this strategy. As I said, any player who leaves a fake peek on a mafioso by mistake is close to eliminated from contention for being the cop -- and this helps the mafia team narrow down the pool of possibilities. For this reason, it is crucial that players only leave fake peeks on people who they genuinely feel are solid town reads.

Along with this, it's paramount that the cop him/herself leave the necessary breadcrumbs to allow everyone else to know what his/her peeks were in the event of an untimely death. It is a shame when the free peek or any subsequent peek gets lynched because the townies were unable to discern who they were within the cop's content. For this reason, unambiguous reads are often needed for the sake of clarity in that analysis -- and cover is needed from the vanilla townies to ensure the mafia can't isolate the cop based upon those unambiguous reads.

This is why a few of those champs games went into Insane Mode with five or six people all claiming to be the cop. It confuses the mafia their hunt -- and the townies too if people aren't careful.

I probably wouldn't have revealed my n0 peek if I'd realized there'd be so little cover for me here and so much trepidation about the information I'm putting forth. Spare me your fright, y'all! This ain't your pappie's full game. We're on my turf now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think we need to agree on a lynch as a group so we can overcome this abysmal no lynch wagon. I could lynch Vompatti.

sig wrote:Again Wilgy your logic makes no sense and seeing how that was the main scenario talking about me that is the one I mentioned. When I'm mafia it is almost impossible to connect me to my teammates I'd never do something so blatant. I'm curious as to why you're pushing this agenda Wilgy, I suspect you and SVS are mafia.

Also you're not the cop since I know both you and JJJ aren't cops. There is no world were either of you are cops, I do however know what JJJ is doing with saying I was his peek. Or a random villager got a random peek which does happen in some games. Either way JJJ isn't the cop.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Oh yeah, that's right. Nevermind.

You have experience with peeks either way; I'm confident you understand the value of giving them as a townie too.

I also understand the value of the peek game as a baddie. Learned it the hard way.

You wanna learn it too JJJ?

Until today I was the only one to bother. If nobody wants to give me cover then I'll just get killed anyway.

JJJ the fake cop thing is going a wee bit to far. :P


It is clear JJJ is providing cover for the real cop whoever he is, I'm not sure if Wilgy is doing the same or not.

I will most likely vote for Wilgy or SVS today.

sig wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Thank you for answering, it seemed genuine. I will move my vote to Vompatti for now. I am not usually one to move my vote around like this. But your response was pleasantly surprising.

Day 1 #8

Do you think JJJ is telling the truth about dog? What's your feeling on JJJ?
Is there anything particularly surprising about sig's response?

I don't know what I missed about "dog", but I have no clue what you're talking about. I mean, I have literally searched for the word "dog" and only see it in your post when you say JJJ peeked dog.

As for my feelings on JJJ. I am not paying too much attention to his claims. I don't think we can put too much weight on it yet. Players claim things all the time (whether it be about themselves or others) that may or may not be true. I'm not too concerned. It could go like this:
1. he is the cop. Yay, he can help us find mafia.
2. he is not the cop, but the real cop is too scared to come forth b/c he might get nightkilled so we keep on thinking he's the cop
3. he's not the cop, but the real cop calls him out on it (but who's to say that the player who calls him out on it is the real cop. maybe the player who calls him out is just concerned that JJJ IS the real cop and is afraid the mafia will kill him, so he claims to be cop as a distraction to the mafia)
4. Maybe there is no damn cop in this game so we all go on thinking JJJ must be the cop.
There is way too much speculation that can happen on this subject, so I say

sig's response was calm and collected. this makes me think he is civ.

@ sig - I am not sure who else I am considering. I think it will partly depend on scotty's response to this post

Lol "sig" always corrects on my phone to "dog" and these days I have a 40% chance to miss the autocorrect. And sometimes I just leave it because I like dogs.

I agree that those are the scenarios for JJJ, but which of 1-4 do you believe JJJ is doing?

As for sig...I keep going back to what he said in a past game: if he appears civ, he is probably bad, so lynch him. When he is obviously bad, he's probably good.

I don't know how that translates to this game, but I'm not pushing it since I'm still playing along with the scenario that JJJ is in fact the cop.

What a paradox if I'm playing a good civ game I must be bad. But, people are trying to lynch me I must be a civ.

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DrWilgy wrote:

sig wrote:post 6

I'm really confident JJJ isn't the cop, I'm slightly wary of him for hinting that he might be the cop, however I do think he is a civ even though he is trying to say he might be the cop.

I'll need to check him out some more before I decide for sure what I think about his alignment though, so expect me to say more on JJJ day 2 or 3.

You ready for this meme?

I'm the cop and INH was my green peek.

Elohcin wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Thank you for answering, it seemed genuine. I will move my vote to Vompatti for now. I am not usually one to move my vote around like this. But your response was pleasantly surprising.

Day 1 #8

Do you think JJJ is telling the truth about dog? What's your feeling on JJJ?
Is there anything particularly surprising about sig's response?

I don't know what I missed about "dog", but I have no clue what you're talking about. I mean, I have literally searched for the word "dog" and only see it in your post when you say JJJ peeked dog.

As for my feelings on JJJ. I am not paying too much attention to his claims. I don't think we can put too much weight on it yet. Players claim things all the time (whether it be about themselves or others) that may or may not be true. I'm not too concerned. It could go like this:
1. he is the cop. Yay, he can help us find mafia.
2. he is not the cop, but the real cop is too scared to come forth b/c he might get nightkilled so we keep on thinking he's the cop
3. he's not the cop, but the real cop calls him out on it (but who's to say that the player who calls him out on it is the real cop. maybe the player who calls him out is just concerned that JJJ IS the real cop and is afraid the mafia will kill him, so he claims to be cop as a distraction to the mafia)
4. Maybe there is no damn cop in this game so we all go on thinking JJJ must be the cop.
There is way too much speculation that can happen on this subject, so I say

sig's response was calm and collected. this makes me think he is civ.

@ sig - I am not sure who else I am considering. I think it will partly depend on scotty's response to this post

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Polo: He caught up and had nothing to say. That's not necessarily a big deal, but it's certainly boring and leaves me no way of providing a meaningful read. My patience is finite.

GTH town.

Epignosis wrote:My vote, as it stands right now, is going to either Scotty or insertnamehere.

Scotty wrote:

Vompatti wrote:Why do I have votes?

Why shouldn't you have votes?

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Vompatti wrote:Why do I have votes?

Elohcin wrote:Thank you for answering, it seemed genuine. I will move my vote to Vompatti for now. I am not usually one to move my vote around like this. But your response was pleasantly surprising.

Day 1 #8

Scotty wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Everyone should be giving peeks. Or y'all could give me no cover at all.

I don't have time to explain this. Maybe later.

So since info dumping is permitted, I just wanna hear you say that you are the cop. So I'm clear.

I didn't get a peek.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Everyone should be giving peeks. Or y'all could give me no cover at all.

I don't have time to explain this. Maybe later.

rabbit8 wrote:Meh, I never read that before. I have not played here in a while.

It does not specifically state there can be no indy's. I don't know why you're asking me though. I wanted clarification from INH. What are you prodding for exactly?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Anyone unfamiliar with peeks should look at the Arrested Development game. I don't have a link, I'm on my phone.

rabbit8 wrote:@INH: Twitch your eyebrow on day 1 is good enough, IMO, to vote for someone. Thus one reason I'm about ready to give SVS a vote. She brought up sig just to bring him up while saying he was just saying something. I really think she was trying to get others to get a twitch from sig.

But you're advocating a no lynch. I don't agree with you. I have to wonder if a baddie is hiding behind the no lynch to look civvie. I will be looking at you three early no lynch voters harder.

@Scotty: I don't think there would be an indy in this game, but you never know. So clarification is good.

MovingPictures07 wrote:We were planning on having a discussion after Zodiac is over, since it's become noted now that the guidelines aren't completely clear, but if any role is anything other than a vanilla role, then it is by definition a power role, not a mechanic. Except for a mafia kill.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Although the Jobs and Side Missions guidelines are meant to be loose, the Heist guidelines are intended to be rather rigid, since these games are designed to be very simple, straightforward games. Experimentation is allowed, but only within the 48/24 and 3 or fewer power roles limit. So going forward if you're a Heist host or thinking about being a Heist host and your game doesn't fit those guidelines to the T, then your game will have to be moved to the Side Mission queue.

DrWilgy wrote:@JJJ, theres no reason, it just happened to catch my eye. On another note, YOU'RE BAD, I KNOW YOU'RE BAD, GET LYNCHED RIGHT NOW.

@svs, yo you bad again?

@Quin, I appreciate your memes, I'll vote with you.

Polo wrote:Hi, folks! Just got here. Sorry, I had been really busy the last couple of days. Time for some catchin' up

insertnamehere wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

G-Man wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Negative marks to everyone in single digit posts. More likely to be bad than the rest.

Bite me, angry bear boy. You do realize that, as of this post, your comment suggests that 8+1 of us are more likely to be bad than the remaining 5? That's a net so wide it's silly. Why not just say everyone not named JJJ is more likely to be bad? Or were you being cheeky there?


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All of these imaginary systems that he just keeps coming up with just seem like him posturing to where he can come up with some justification to lynch just about anyone. If I wasn't already committed to voting No Lynch, he'd probably be my top candidate.

insertnamehere wrote:So, let me preface this by saying that I am by no means, an expert at coding. This was the first really big program that I've decided to make. It could work, it could not, I'm going to try and see.

I've created a program that goes into every poster's game history, specifically games where they were bad, and sees what their top phrases or words are. It then contrasts those with the top words or phrases from a persons post history when they were good. It then eliminates the words that were on both lists, leaving us with that person's tells. After that, it goes into this thread, and sees how many times someone uses words or phrases identified as tells. The higher that number is, the more likely chance you are to be bad. This was a bitch to make, and it's something I've worked on for a long time, a bit of a pet project if you will.

Now, of course, because of the limited sample size, the program is more likely to be incorrect these first few days, but, as more and more people post, I know more and more about their role.

To summarize, I'm the NSA now, bitches.

The reason why I find 3J suspicious is because he seems to be doing the same sort of thing that I did in that game, where I was a chaos independent.

You think JJJ is independent or bad? I don't know is Chaos Independent was a role or alignment.

I'm not sure of his alignment in this crazy closed set up, but he's done enough to make my eyebrow twitch.

My role in that game was Media, who gained powers everytime her name was mentioned. These powers completely disrupted and detailed the thread. That's why I called her a "chaos independent."

S~V~S wrote:This multiples of 4 thing is a bitch. Right now I have 12, multiple of 4. Now I need to make 2 posts to get out of that so I can go watch the convention. Cause this will be post 13. So again sorry for the multis. One more to come.

S~V~S wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Scotty wrote:
This isn't anything new, but it's very intriguing to me. In so many other sites and venues the day 1 is literally random. Like, literally in the sense that in a group, most the time people will vote for someone based on a dream they had, or not liking the name of a person, or what have you. But this site especially has a weird way of dogpiling on someone that has a certain air if suspicion for doing something out of the ordinary. It's always amazing to me that votes on the first day are so justified here. I can't recall the last time I went back to day 1 conversations to get a confirmation of a tonal read on someone. Only to look at votes and who voted for whom, and when.

This is very interesting to me. I love to hear about how things go on other sites, even though I don't plan on ever playing anywhere other than here. I can only imagine how I would be grilled for voting someone Day 1 just because I didn't like their name or had a certain dream about them. Of course there is the occasional random vote on Day 1 here, but it always seem sot be a controversial issue. And it's usually professed as "random", not excused with a silly explanation.

In our original home cultures, Day 1 votes have, for the most part, generally been srs bsns. Someone is gonna die based on our votes, how not srs? People always tended to take flak for trivial voting reasons, randomizing, etc.

@G-Man, yeah, I always tend to get a residual baddie BTS effect the next few games, lol. Oddly, it tends to effect me the opposite way, I tend to want to trust my bad partner from a recent intense game like BSG was.

Scotty wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Scotty wrote:Ah yes, you know I agree with this criticism. Day 1 lynches produce more info than no-lynches, but why even invite a self-lynch. In what world would that benefit town if you are town?

I didn't invite a self-lynch. This is the first suspicious post of the game.

In your opinion.

In my opinion, too, tbh.

I understood clearly what Jay was saying. I am not sure how you would interpret it otherwise?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:3J's posts are just getting kind of ridiculous. He says that he wants to encourage conversation, but he tries to shut down anything that doesn't vibe with his view point.

Disagreement is not the same as shutting down. I have been completely successful in getting this game moving thankyouverymuch.