The Syndicate

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 1:31 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:40 am I really wish I knew how hard to hark the Vivax town core. If we are true to Scotty, DF and Sloonei should be our only choices.

Wilgy, you’ve followed sloonei’s votes a lot this game, that is to say you’ve been voting in the same place as him often rather than that you’re sheeping him.

I’d like to know whether that’s coincidence or something else (trust, tactic… whatever it might be).

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:38 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:20 pm Last wolf is in this PoE:
Vivax, Sloonei, DF

Which one is it tho?

If it is DF and he’s sending in kills but not posting, dealing with that at lylo is unappealing.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:49 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:44 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:54 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:50 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:16 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:54 pm

Looking over your posts in reference to Wilgy, you first townread him and then you didn't have much of anything of substance on him. You had stronger cases for others. This vote seems to come out of nowhere. Your gameplay so far looks like trying to fly under the radar so far Day 1.

To everyone, this whole debacle with Scotty has taken my focus away from what's important. I've been focused on defending myself so much because no one seems to understand my words!! It's taken all my energy and I haven't been able to see players for what they are doing.

Vivax is on my radar.

*Lick*

Eloh you taste strange in this post. Like a bit of epoxy covered dandelion.

You either W shield me to form a pocket of lint and squish OR V see a discrepancy re Vivax's read. However bland Vivax may be, they taste of pasta water.

Aye allow me to translate.

Eloh's read of you based on me was weird. Eloh self admits to not understanding my gimmicks yet side eyes you for wanting more from me. Based on the wording it makes sense from the Eloh perspective, but still seemed strange that they disagreed.

Your read being of pasta water was because it was as bland as bland could be.

Bland is good when I want to solve, bad when I want to clown. This game's context doesn't have me feel like clowning. Yerkes-Dodson approves.

If I were to follow you onto Michelle and she were to flip green, tomorrow would be rather easy for you to frame me as scum based off yesterday's EoD, wouldn't you agree ?

My dood, I'm not playing 5d chess over here. I call it as I see it, you moved from a W wagon.

Yes, me taunting has to be taken into account, but you did move. If you need to be held accountable for that if the PoE becomes thin, that's just the way things go.

If you moved from W A to W B, it really helps my case on you being town. If you moved from W A to T B then no.

I still think even if Michelle flips T I'll be voting for DF next cycle. Higher chance of that being a W hit than you in that situation. Unless DF shows up and cracks the game open.

Why are you so trigger happy to kill me instead searching for scum?

Your vote coming immediately after Sloonei posted he can't move his vote shows you don't care about the lynch. Your read is frozen since day 1 and you never tried to solve my slot

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:59 pm Eloh was in your PoE last I checked.
Golden/Sloonei
Michelle/DF
Wilgy/Eloh

would be my possible pairings at the current gamestate.
Sig looks unpaired, maybe juuust a little with michelle maybe? Because my subjective impression is that sig ramped up the posting when it looked like Michelle was one of the consensus options.

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:50 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:16 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:54 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:45 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:43 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:39 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

I think it would be really helpful if there were points given as to why you are voting someone when you do so.

Don't like the game state, would like Wilgy to do stuff as he's sort of just there for a majority of players.

Looking over your posts in reference to Wilgy, you first townread him and then you didn't have much of anything of substance on him. You had stronger cases for others. This vote seems to come out of nowhere. Your gameplay so far looks like trying to fly under the radar so far Day 1.

To everyone, this whole debacle with Scotty has taken my focus away from what's important. I've been focused on defending myself so much because no one seems to understand my words!! It's taken all my energy and I haven't been able to see players for what they are doing.

Vivax is on my radar.

*Lick*

Eloh you taste strange in this post. Like a bit of epoxy covered dandelion.

You either W shield me to form a pocket of lint and squish OR V see a discrepancy re Vivax's read. However bland Vivax may be, they taste of pasta water.

Aye allow me to translate.

Eloh's read of you based on me was weird. Eloh self admits to not understanding my gimmicks yet side eyes you for wanting more from me. Based on the wording it makes sense from the Eloh perspective, but still seemed strange that they disagreed.

Your read being of pasta water was because it was as bland as bland could be.

Bland is good when I want to solve, bad when I want to clown. This game's context doesn't have me feel like clowning. Yerkes-Dodson approves.

If I were to follow you onto Michelle and she were to flip green, tomorrow would be rather easy for you to frame me as scum based off yesterday's EoD, wouldn't you agree ?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:11 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:07 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:05 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:58 pm Why am I not dead.

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

We should not be wagoning scotty. If we get to lylo and he’s still alive, it could be worth a thorough investigation. Short of that, no.

The most likely explanations for scotty not dying are still civ reasons.

Fair enough.

Resolving Michelle makes sense.

Resolving Vivax makes sense. I read Vivax's swap to Michelle as either town who's just Rand adversary to my taunt (which is fine because Michelle is still likely w), or took the lhf of a taunt to try to save quin. Former more likely than latter.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:16 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:54 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:45 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:43 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:39 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

I think it would be really helpful if there were points given as to why you are voting someone when you do so.

Don't like the game state, would like Wilgy to do stuff as he's sort of just there for a majority of players.

Looking over your posts in reference to Wilgy, you first townread him and then you didn't have much of anything of substance on him. You had stronger cases for others. This vote seems to come out of nowhere. Your gameplay so far looks like trying to fly under the radar so far Day 1.

To everyone, this whole debacle with Scotty has taken my focus away from what's important. I've been focused on defending myself so much because no one seems to understand my words!! It's taken all my energy and I haven't been able to see players for what they are doing.

Vivax is on my radar.

*Lick*

Eloh you taste strange in this post. Like a bit of epoxy covered dandelion.

You either W shield me to form a pocket of lint and squish OR V see a discrepancy re Vivax's read. However bland Vivax may be, they taste of pasta water.

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:16 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:58 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:54 pm Still don’t trust Quin today but it seems like not many agree with me.

Quin is perhaps my strongest town read in this game right now.

Ironically, both here might be cleared off these posts.
Ideas ?

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:49 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:01 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:47 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:46 am At the time I'm writing/reading all this:

bea - 21 posts

Spoiler: show

After some early game fun posts, downplays her ability as a mafia then the rest of Night 0 is more reminiscing.

As Day 1 begins, here to a vote from Scotty that seems a bit wonky, is "confused" by NotAnAxhole's post, defends her cheery attitude and is disheartened that she has gotten some votes. Agrees with G-Man RE: Day 1 needing to be more substantive and RE: laying out some adverbs. Has some interesting exchanges RE: DF's activity level. Particularly interested in the defense of DF by way of saying that Golden's defense of DF itself "vibes better" for Golden.Defends herself from Sig/Llama's criticism of low posters by saying she's getting back in the swing of things. Refuses to give a solid read/opinion on the current state of the game, instead saying she "generally sees the good in everyone".

Here she again downplays her ability to lie/be mafia

Here She offers 3 "reads". I say "reads" because they're "This person hasn't done anything noteworthy yet, this person is quiet, and this person is confusing" which mean nothing to me and could be taken any number of ways.

Has a bit of an exchange with Golden that doesn't seem to be amounting to much

Then forgets when the poll ends.

Overall Read - I don't like the "teehee I'm bad at being bad" stuff generally speaking. I don't think the reads she's offered up have any meat to them, and I think her G-Man post is buddying. Nothing I'm reading from her is quite worth a vote just yet but Bea is not comfortably outside of my radar by any means.

DFaraday - 1 post

Nothing here worth looking into or posting about, moving on!

Dr Wilgy - 15 posts

Spoiler: show

Here an early vote for Scotty that does not appear very serious. Which is then "revoked" here and replaced with a vote for Sig that doesn't appear very serious. Lots of licking summarized here

Overall Read - Doc is a strange guy and (intentionally) hard to nail down early. If later contributions are at this level I'm worried, but for now, nothing to make hay over.

Eloh - 12 Posts

Spoiler: show

Here is the Post Heard Round The World, Eloh attaches onto Sloonei's "suspicion" of sig, pointing out that she is not a fan of changing votes and would r ather take the day to consider things. Says that the only way sig would know votes were changeable would be after he'd voted (making his hasty vote suspect). Defends herself here by saying that Rule #5 says votes are "maybe" changeable. Says she'd read the ROLES, including "Moveable Votes", but didn't understand it. Claims she'd confused it for a RULE, but after sleeping on it sees the error she made. Retracts her sig suspicion.

Here and Here defends herself from mine and Scotty's comments by saying we ought to "know" to give her "leeway" and that she "wasn't lying". I confess to having intentionally responded only with a to see what shook loose (if either she would respond defensively, or if someone would take the crumb and run with it, both of which happened).

Here is an exchange with Scotty. Scotty is saying Eloh "presented her suspicion in so many words" and dropped it "without offering any other reads for other players". Eloh's response is that "day one reads are a shot in the dark" and "there was a lot going on" at the time of her post. My two cents being that Eloh made a gut read oon sig based on faulty/misunderstood info, retracted it when she was found to have been misinformed, end of. I don't agree with the assertion by Scotty that she was obligated to offer another read or that she is suspicious for not having done so. Then Eloh makes some pretty generic statements about how mafia would act, and uses that to cast suspicion onto Scotty by saying he is being "kind of silly/off topic and distracting from gameplay". How that holds up will have to wait until I read Scotty's posts.

Here responds more in detail by offering commentary on my questions to Scotty, calling Scottys response "very bad". Says she's not voting for people she doesn't know.

Criticizes NotAnAxehole [url=https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?p=966070#p966070]Here For being pessimistic about the lynch prospects.

Here Sees Scotty's response as him "edging off" his suspicion of her. Refuses to offer a baddie read when asked, but offers a tame, relatively safe "bea is a civ because she would have had teammates to tell her when the poll ends" read.

Overall Read - Indie probably.

Fingersplints - 13 Posts

Spoiler: show

After some N0 Fluff Defends NotAnAxhole's behavior as "NAI" when Llama starts sniffing around, but also says that llama's line of questioning is good. So a net 0.

[url=https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?p=966005#p966005]Here Doesn't like the Eloh/Scotty discourse. Says Eloh was "quick to jump on" the sig stuff, but defends her and offers that it would've been "easier for mafia Eloh to leave the suspicion on sig", which I disagree with because it was such an easily disprovable suspicion. Says Scotty was "quick to jump on Eloh" which I agree with. Turns out Splints does want to jump into the Eloh/Scotty discourse, but may not want to look like she did.

Votes for Sloonei because she has "high expectations" and wants to see where they're at.

Sniffs out that Llama left out DFaraday as a low poster[url] (when Llama was saying that mafia are laying low/low posting).


Overall Read - I wanna see where the llama stuff goes. I'm leaning civ for Splints atm.

G-Man - 13 posts [spoiler] [url=http ... 65904]Here After some Night 0 fluff and catching up and whatnot, offers some mechanical insight into the game (specifically the adverb mechanics).

Here Says he's "useless" on Day 1.

Here Defends NotAnAxehole's behavior as "NAI" and suggests that we "ignore some of his punchier tendencies".

Here says that Llama being "loose" is a good sign

Here Says he doesn't want to lynch anyone with a low post count (LoRab, DF, Kate). Says he thinks Llama is good and that Eloh is "Bait". Doesn't want to lynch Vivax because they're new to each other. Thinks that "chopping from the top half of the post count" will yield the most content. (Scotty, Sloonei, Golden, Me, Bea, Michelle, and NAA)

Hesitates based on the Rez Mechanic.

Overall Read - Saying that you want a more productive Day 1 and then giving people who are being the least productive on Day 1 a lynch pass, while singling out the people who are giving you what you asked for as worth lynching is a bad look. Offering little "meat" yourself while requesting it from others is another bad look. My man is not a civ. [/spoiler]

Taking a break from my reads for now.

Here's a cleaner non-busted post

This post is stellar. Absolutely stellar.

Caveat: Mafia got cold feet and killed SVS for this. Could mean town is being led around by the nose by Wilgy and Eloh.

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:20 pmhi

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:26 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:59 pm I do think there's a world where solving DF helps us get to sigs alignment.

PoE as it stands for me is Michelle, Vivax, Eloh, DF

I think Scotty is deterministic with Michelle
Sig is deterministic with DF

If I'm just wrong on someone it's Sloonei.

Elo, eh?

Your POE is something.

Quin also suspected Elo on the day that bea died. For…some reason

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:02 am Do you believe there's a finite or infinite way to look at things differently ?

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:24 pm I’m more just amused that after Sloonei haphazardly voted Vivax and said votes aren’t changeable that Wilgy has just voted Michelle

Your mind is made up on that front then, eh?

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:19 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:13 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:10 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:07 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:05 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:58 pm Why am I not dead.

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

We should not be wagoning scotty. If we get to lylo and he’s still alive, it could be worth a thorough investigation. Short of that, no.

The most likely explanations for scotty not dying are still civ reasons.

On top of that, I mentioned my tinfoil theory that my teammates could’ve killed me just to be rezz’d but like..,I was mostly kidding. That’s a terrible gamble, and didn’t happen.

If you don’t think I’m civ at this point, you haven’t been paying attention.

You tried swinging momentum away from quin quite abit at EoD.

:Shrug:

My sus on you is mostly that. Tinfoil reaction to EoD that's Michelle deterministic.

If that’s what you took from the day yesterday, you might need to drink more water

I was much more of a proponent of Quin’s death than you were

sig wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:15 pm The question is has Wilgy dropped his fun gimmick since his team mates are dead and he’s trying to salvage the game or is he just bored of doing it.

I can’t recall in the past when he usually gets more serious or how ties to alignment it is

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:13 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:08 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:02 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:59 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:56 pm Michelle/Vivax/DF/Wilgy have to be the final four potential mafia members

I've literally buried two wolves. Idk how you still have me in PoE.

Also, “buried” is hardly the word I’d use. On the surface, your voting record looks pretty damn nice. I’ve already dug into why Quin being bad makes you look bad, but again…Michelle is the wildcard here.


That was a strange wagon dynamic all day yesterday. Quin spent a lot of time as main wagon, and waited very late to ‘save’ himself. That’s just an odd positioning

Your entire argument why Quin being bad makes me look bad was shit anyhow and idk how you believe it.

I don’t expect you to like it.

You’re the one implicated, silly lickitung

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:08 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:05 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:58 pm Why am I not dead.

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

What happened to the licking and tasting shtick you used to have?

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:10 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:07 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:05 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:58 pm Why am I not dead.

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

We should not be wagoning scotty. If we get to lylo and he’s still alive, it could be worth a thorough investigation. Short of that, no.

The most likely explanations for scotty not dying are still civ reasons.

On top of that, I mentioned my tinfoil theory that my teammates could’ve killed me just to be rezz’d but like..,I was mostly kidding. That’s a terrible gamble, and didn’t happen.

If you don’t think I’m civ at this point, you haven’t been paying attention.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:07 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:05 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:58 pm Why am I not dead.

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

We should not be wagoning scotty. If we get to lylo and he’s still alive, it could be worth a thorough investigation. Short of that, no.

The most likely explanations for scotty not dying are still civ reasons.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:02 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:59 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:56 pm Michelle/Vivax/DF/Wilgy have to be the final four potential mafia members

I've literally buried two wolves. Idk how you still have me in PoE.

Also, “buried” is hardly the word I’d use. On the surface, your voting record looks pretty damn nice. I’ve already dug into why Quin being bad makes you look bad, but again…Michelle is the wildcard here.


That was a strange wagon dynamic all day yesterday. Quin spent a lot of time as main wagon, and waited very late to ‘save’ himself. That’s just an odd positioning

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:59 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:56 pm Michelle/Vivax/DF/Wilgy have to be the final four potential mafia members

I've literally buried two wolves. Idk how you still have me in PoE.

If Michelle is also wolf, you are absolved.

I see no reason why a bad Wilgy would throw both his teammates under the bus except to DEEPwolf.

But if Michelle isn’t bad….you look absolutely terrible

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:58 pm Why am I not dead.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:32 pm [VOTE: vivax] aubergine and whoops votes aren’t changeable.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:56 pm Michelle/Vivax/DF/Wilgy have to be the final four potential mafia members

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:14 pm Because it's my birthday, my 40TH birthday, who wants to be a gem and give me a quick recap of the two wagons so I can make an informative vote. I seriously just want to spend time with my family today and not read mafia posts. I know that may be horribly inconsiderate, so I apologize for that.

Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:42 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:37 pm I do need to voice that I find the members of the quin wagon are questionable. Michelle vote is to be expected, but idk how I feel about voting on brand with Sig and Vivax.

Michelle wagon having SVS, Sloonei and Scotty feels more reliable in the moment.

Feel free to switch

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:40 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:37 pm I do need to voice that I find the members of the quin wagon are questionable. Michelle vote is to be expected, but idk how I feel about voting on brand with Sig and Vivax.

Michelle wagon having SVS, Sloonei and Scotty feels more reliable in the moment.

I reaaaasly want Sloonei to talk more about his Quin read