The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:22 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:19 pm Actually footage of this game.

Asuka losing WrestleMania 34 caused an emotional scar that I'll never recover from.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:37 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:20 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:13 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:11 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:09 am Pushing sig with no scepticism is evidence to me that you are blatantly mafia just trying to find miselims. And your world building is equally as insincere.

Idk what holy grail of posts flipped your stance on Sig last cycle, but it didn't happen to me dude. We were even in agreement that Sigs ISO was poop and he was quite wolfy.

Suspecting him is one thing but you completely lack town doubt and you've opened today hard wolfsiding. The Jack and you finding each other stuff is hilariously blatant.

Dude, I'm out of fucks to give. There's also other players who I think actually have content enough to make me have doubt (you, Bereft, Tutuu, Jack. All these slots I'm unsure on, I'm more sure of others and don't feel like stressing further about things I'm pretty much accepting I won't get to.)

Sig hasn't done anything to warrant that he's not a wolf. Hell, last cycle I was between SPF, Creature and Sig somewhat in equal measure... Maybe SPF slightly behind. We got a "Creature is most likely bad" result and the next sign points to continue with Sig or try to find how Creature survived in you/SPF.

If you are town please just take me on faith today and vote with me. I know it's a strange ask but just do it.

We REALLY trying to trade in that faith coupon? After 5 or so years you only get one of these.

Anyhowsit, I've been working for the past 19 hours. Imma go to bed.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:16 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:10 am Like, my Tutuu stance is "If Lucy is trolling us we are fucked anyways, otherwise Tutuu can't be Mafia I think."

My internal counter argument is "Tutuu is having way to much fun as town rn. Being town is suffering, I'd expect a more Mac like outlook."

Town is WINNING my man lucy just outed 4 of these mech illiterate wolves to us

And yesterday i just had fun rolling in the mud like a pig

Life is too short to not enjoy and have fun every moment Wilgy, even when ur losing a silly online text game about yelling at people

Oh God, Lucy is trolling and Tutuu is eating it for breakfast. Send help.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:13 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:11 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:09 am Pushing sig with no scepticism is evidence to me that you are blatantly mafia just trying to find miselims. And your world building is equally as insincere.

Idk what holy grail of posts flipped your stance on Sig last cycle, but it didn't happen to me dude. We were even in agreement that Sigs ISO was poop and he was quite wolfy.

Suspecting him is one thing but you completely lack town doubt and you've opened today hard wolfsiding. The Jack and you finding each other stuff is hilariously blatant.

Dude, I'm out of fucks to give. There's also other players who I think actually have content enough to make me have doubt (you, Bereft, Tutuu, Jack. All these slots I'm unsure on, I'm more sure of others and don't feel like stressing further about things I'm pretty much accepting I won't get to.)

Sig hasn't done anything to warrant that he's not a wolf. Hell, last cycle I was between SPF, Creature and Sig somewhat in equal measure... Maybe SPF slightly behind. We got a "Creature is most likely bad" result and the next sign points to continue with Sig or try to find how Creature survived in you/SPF.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:12 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:08 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:59 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:52 pm Congratulations, Wilgy. You’ve been reverse poed back into the town.

Wild that the entry of other wolfy elements has done the same to you on my list.

Sabi/SPF/Sig's and maybe even Berefts responses to mechanics just feels icky

Like, I know they aren't all wolves right? Unless that implies the wolf team to be Mac, SPF, Creature, Sig, Sabi/Bereft?

This is blatantly partnered nonsense.

dude, the townfirm has assembled a PoE that is at least semi-sensible.

Just based on how shit went earlier in the day, there's gotta be one between you and SPF.

If Creature is still one and there's one in Sig/Porscha AND the townfirm proves to be correct (Implying Sabi is bad based on Reaction) it really doesn't leave a slot for either Tutuu and Jack who were PoE prior.

Firstly, no they haven't.

Secondly, no there doesn't. At all.

Why is there one in sig/porscha?

You are making worlds predicted on hot air because you and your team intend to win today by virtue of Lucy's dumb solve. Hence Tutuu's blatant pocketing calling Lucy Queen and shit its so obvious from my vantage point.

@lucy I pity the cringe you will soon feel if you go down this path.

So... What's the deal with Creature survival in your opinion.

If Lucy's proposed chain of yeets is wrong, Creatures survival would need to be explained.

Lucy implied that's where the Zealot was, between Sig/Porscha. Can't really ask why on that one as I don't wish to infringe on info-dumping, but that bit of data is already in the thread.

I mean, your sus on me has been nothing but hot air the entire game... Figured you'd be used to it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:09 am Pushing sig with no scepticism is evidence to me that you are blatantly mafia just trying to find miselims. And your world building is equally as insincere.

Idk what holy grail of posts flipped your stance on Sig last cycle, but it didn't happen to me dude. We were even in agreement that Sigs ISO was poop and he was quite wolfy.

Like, my Tutuu stance is "If Lucy is trolling us we are fucked anyways, otherwise Tutuu can't be Mafia I think."

My internal counter argument is "Tutuu is having way to much fun as town rn. Being town is suffering, I'd expect a more Mac like outlook."

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:59 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:52 pm Congratulations, Wilgy. You’ve been reverse poed back into the town.

Wild that the entry of other wolfy elements has done the same to you on my list.

Sabi/SPF/Sig's and maybe even Berefts responses to mechanics just feels icky

Like, I know they aren't all wolves right? Unless that implies the wolf team to be Mac, SPF, Creature, Sig, Sabi/Bereft?

This is blatantly partnered nonsense.

dude, the townfirm has assembled a PoE that is at least semi-sensible.

Just based on how shit went earlier in the day, there's gotta be one between you and SPF.

If Creature is still one and there's one in Sig/Porscha AND the townfirm proves to be correct (Implying Sabi is bad based on Reaction) it really doesn't leave a slot for either Tutuu and Jack who were PoE prior.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:53 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:50 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:43 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:25 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:13 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:11 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:10 pm [VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

intent to thunderdome today

holy shit i hope youre mafia

Why? This is a waste of a post. Explain data, argue with me on the subject.

If I missed how make it clear, otherwise continue to be wolf.

sorry, i don't mean to be snippy. i reacted that way because:

1. i don't understand why you believe that creature being mafia (even in a world where he is zealot) points to sig being mafia. to me, the amount of friction between the creature and the sig wagons yesterday indicates the opposite to me, and i think that sig might be spewed town from the way the EOD played out

2. your argument on sig being mafia seemed to hinge partially on creature being the zealot, when there is a clear reason why he is not the zealot that i expected other people to have picked up

3. the implication that pushing on tutuu is wolfsiding when tutuu is the singular player in this game who has worked overtime to try to protect creature from being eliminated

1. Wagonomics between 2 teammates can still hold tension this game due to yeet-negation mechanics.

2. Sigs ISO is just wolfy, and maybe I didn't express clearly that I do think both Creature and Sig to be Wolfy. Sig is playing this game, and sidelining while town chews itself up. That was very much a key argument I made yesterday.

3. Creature was not yeeted due to mechanics. Tutuu doesn't invest as much energy into protecting Creature if they are aware they can be saved BY said mechanics.

I think Seanzie flipping T does ultimately point to a Mac wolf world. Mac W very much indicates T Tutuu. This is a very light statement and I'd need to review.

Wilgy is now outed mafia.

How so? I continue my wondering of why I must ask why. It's become the theme of the game for me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:52 pm Congratulations, Wilgy. You’ve been reverse poed back into the town.

Wild that the entry of other wolfy elements has done the same to you on my list.

Sabi/SPF/Sig's and maybe even Berefts responses to mechanics just feels icky

Like, I know they aren't all wolves right? Unless that implies the wolf team to be Mac, SPF, Creature, Sig, Sabi/Bereft?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:45 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:42 pm jack, i have read the setup. my (VERY STRONG GUESS) is that lucy is either incorrect or lying about the information she is saying today. i HAVE thought about it. i HAVE read the setup. i do not think she is telling the truth. i have posted why

im not going to waste another post talking about this

Literally what motivation would there be to lying?

Lucy ego about her playing skills

I'd REALLY like to believe that no one would do this as town.

Would nearly qualify that as game throwing.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:42 pm jack, i have read the setup. my (VERY STRONG GUESS) is that lucy is either incorrect or lying about the information she is saying today. i HAVE thought about it. i HAVE read the setup. i do not think she is telling the truth. i have posted why

im not going to waste another post talking about this

Literally what motivation would there be to lying?

Also, this one may sound dumb, but we live in a strange world if I've been correct in town reading Mac for 5 days both of us are still alive.

Makes me think I was wrong. Maybe it's abit foily.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:08 pm uhhhhh i think this is going into territory that we're not allowed to talk about

do you have a list of all the people on the creature wagon yesterday?

fwiw based on the rule: No info-dumping regarding what card you drew and how you used it

And power roles being able to claim, I'd think Lucy sharing the spread data to be fair game?

@Spacedaisy can you elaborate? I did a Ctrl f on your ISO to see if there's anything contrary to that and didn't see anything immediate.

Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:04 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:02 pm im just going to be blunt and say that since info-dumping is not allowed in this setup, my thought is that lucy does not actually have the mechanical knowledge to say that me/mac definitely contains a mafia, or else she wouldn't be able to say it in the first place

i would be kind of embarrassed to live in a world where mac is mafia and i've been badly misreading him for this entire game but if he is, i don't think that lucy's claim is why

To summarize. Lucy claims a zealot check in sig/porscha. The rest of what Lucy is saying is not very useful.

Judgement within SPF/Mac, them both voting there then Creature surviving is pretty relevant I think.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:50 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:16 pm creature being zealot does not make sense in light of seanzie's posts at the end of the day yesterday unless seanzie was going out of his way to troll, which i don't think he would do

It isn’t infodumping if you’re guessing. Spell it out.

okay

i believe that seanzie outright mechanically hard claimed that he had information to suggest that creature was not the zealot. i don't see any other way to interpret the posts that he made about creature

Aye, and if there's likely a judgement user between you and Mac who both sus'd creature, the. It's time for you two to go.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:43 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:25 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:13 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:11 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:10 pm [VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

intent to thunderdome today

holy shit i hope youre mafia

Why? This is a waste of a post. Explain data, argue with me on the subject.

If I missed how make it clear, otherwise continue to be wolf.

sorry, i don't mean to be snippy. i reacted that way because:

1. i don't understand why you believe that creature being mafia (even in a world where he is zealot) points to sig being mafia. to me, the amount of friction between the creature and the sig wagons yesterday indicates the opposite to me, and i think that sig might be spewed town from the way the EOD played out

2. your argument on sig being mafia seemed to hinge partially on creature being the zealot, when there is a clear reason why he is not the zealot that i expected other people to have picked up

3. the implication that pushing on tutuu is wolfsiding when tutuu is the singular player in this game who has worked overtime to try to protect creature from being eliminated

1. Wagonomics between 2 teammates can still hold tension this game due to yeet-negation mechanics.

2. Sigs ISO is just wolfy, and maybe I didn't express clearly that I do think both Creature and Sig to be Wolfy. Sig is playing this game, and sidelining while town chews itself up. That was very much a key argument I made yesterday.

3. Creature was not yeeted due to mechanics. Tutuu doesn't invest as much energy into protecting Creature if they are aware they can be saved BY said mechanics.

I think Seanzie flipping T does ultimately point to a Mac wolf world. Mac W very much indicates T Tutuu. This is a very light statement and I'd need to review.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:42 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:41 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:39 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:36 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:33 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:31 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

I’m not listening to you sorry.

Good 'why' there mate.

I explained in the follow on post but have very clearly sinfe d1 stacked out the IC has no more say than anyone else.

The fact you’re so willingly to blindly follow them is way outside your town meta

Alright, so Oracle can claim.

No one has CC'd legitimately.

Either the Oracle is trolling or Lucy is trolling, but until there's a legitimate CC, I have no reason to think Lucy would take over the game for no discernable reason. I'd say this is the heaviest the hand has been and that means something.

The oracle did claim?

I’m not saying she isn’t the oracle I’m saying there’s no reason to listen to her.

Also have you been paying attention? She’s tried to take over the game since day 1. The majority of the player base minus the wolfy players are ignoring her.

look how that went lmao

This

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:40 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:37 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:34 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:23 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:12 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:11 pm Was there mechanically a way fro creature not to be yeeted and not being the Zealot?

yes, there's this card called judgement

I see. This would do as well.

So Creature was either Absolved or is Zealot.

Seanzie flipping T seems to indicate that they were likely knowing to the Creature != Zealot then.

How would seanzie know that though

Perhaps Death or the Chariot? Idk, mechanics aren't my strong suit.

The only mechanic that could’ve spared creature is judgment or whatever the card is.

If Sean was 100% set that Creature was zealot I bet he had that said card.

Maybe he didn’t but occum razor here says that Creature is the Zealot.

This is the most likely scenario. I was a failed counter wagon that the wolves abandoned when the steam started to run out so they jumped back onto creature who’s the zealot since it resulted in no flips

Sean said he'd bet his life the Creature wasn't the Zealot yesterday.

Did I miss something or is this just nonsense?

Did 3 members of scum join the thread, say "Wilgy is wolfing" with no explanation or argument back to back?

What a wild world.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:38 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:08 pm We continue on Sig.

Wolves went out of their way to push us off their teammate and into the Zealot.

Also SPF will also do. Creature being their prime suspect since d1 argument feels kinda moot.

Feels like a wolf play.

lol Jack trolling me at this point.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:36 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:33 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:31 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

I’m not listening to you sorry.

Good 'why' there mate.

I explained in the follow on post but have very clearly sinfe d1 stacked out the IC has no more say than anyone else.

The fact you’re so willingly to blindly follow them is way outside your town meta

Alright, so Oracle can claim.

No one has CC'd legitimately.

Either the Oracle is trolling or Lucy is trolling, but until there's a legitimate CC, I have no reason to think Lucy would take over the game for no discernable reason. I'd say this is the heaviest the hand has been and that means something.

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:34 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:23 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:12 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:11 pm Was there mechanically a way fro creature not to be yeeted and not being the Zealot?

yes, there's this card called judgement

I see. This would do as well.

So Creature was either Absolved or is Zealot.

Seanzie flipping T seems to indicate that they were likely knowing to the Creature != Zealot then.

How would seanzie know that though

Perhaps Death or the Chariot? Idk, mechanics aren't my strong suit.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:31 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

I’m not listening to you sorry.

Good 'why' there mate.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Sure thing then.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Is there a possible sequence order you can provide? Or does the if/then/else of that require us to just survive lylo?

Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:18 pm Noted that Wilgy sniped Creature last minute. Head empty.

Yeah, knew shenanigans were afoot and Sig wasn't going to overtake.

If Sig overtook at that point it was due to a massive wolf swing.

There was a slim possibility of that happening in the chaos, but who knows how close we are to lylo at this point, so I didn't want potential swings to occur.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:14 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:04 pm mac dies today, period

Why? This doesn’t make any sense

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:08 pm We continue on Sig.

Wolves went out of their way to push us off their teammate and into the Zealot.

Also SPF will also do. Creature being their prime suspect since d1 argument feels kinda moot.

This is dumb and very mafia sided

Good argument.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:13 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:11 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:10 pm [VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

intent to thunderdome today

holy shit i hope youre mafia

Why? This is a waste of a post. Explain data, argue with me on the subject.

If I missed how make it clear, otherwise continue to be wolf.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:12 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:11 pm Was there mechanically a way fro creature not to be yeeted and not being the Zealot?

yes, there's this card called judgement

I see. This would do as well.

So Creature was either Absolved or is Zealot.

Seanzie flipping T seems to indicate that they were likely knowing to the Creature != Zealot then.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:10 pm [VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

intent to thunderdome today

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:04 pm mac dies today, period

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:09 pm no, i don't believe creature was zealot

Work with me on that Lucy.

Mac and JoH are both quite valid options that drove us towards the Zealot vote as well I think.

Was there mechanically a way fro creature not to be yeeted and not being the Zealot?

The Hanged Man only covers for 1 cycle so it's not that

We continue on Sig.

Wolves went out of their way to push us off their teammate and into the Zealot.

Also SPF will also do. Creature being their prime suspect since d1 argument feels kinda moot.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:53 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:52 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:51 pm What are wolves doinv

They are Mac, Seanzie, Tutuu, Porscha and SPF. We didn't stand a chance fam.

Why them

I just threw out a team of "who did we lose to d0"

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:51 pm What are wolves doinv

They are Mac, Seanzie, Tutuu, Porscha and SPF. We didn't stand a chance fam.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:47 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:46 pm What the hell happened to the Sig wagon?

Why?

Didnt you say you were just waiting for either of creature and Sig to die at some point? Well you got your wish.

Aye, Creature is still fine I suppose.

Why though, did everyone wait till EoD to play?

What the hell happened to the Sig wagon?

Why?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:56 pm Lucy is literally a confirmed town and has hardly posted. If sig is town he literally could not have given less of a fuck to try to help town win the game. I don't know why I care so much. Tutuu you can have your wolf win if you're a wolf you deserve the win more than anyone as either alignment just based on effort.

Kinda the same.

If I'm being fooled by Tutuu, Bereft, or you it's well deserved and good job.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:52 pm Wilgz why do you keep sring me

Fear.

That's it. I have no other good reason and have more good reasons to tr you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:37 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:33 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:31 pm Yo, actually the team is
Sig
JoH
Seanzie
SPF
Porscha/Sabi

Brother how can you be reading the current content and put sabi in this solve? Did you literally not read her reaction to the post you and I both just buried?

Fear. Sabi is the (if I'm wrong.)

No you just tried to put sabi in this world and now you're lying god damn it Wilgy why can't you just fucking be town

My guy, I have lied once this game, and that was my early TR list fishing for reactionz.

I am not good at reading W Porscha, mainly due to experience.

I am not good at reading W SPF, because I'm dum.

Sabi could be the empty in these slots that I'm missing.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:33 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:31 pm Yo, actually the team is
Sig
JoH
Seanzie
SPF
Porscha/Sabi

Brother how can you be reading the current content and put sabi in this solve? Did you literally not read her reaction to the post you and I both just buried?

Fear. Sabi is the (if I'm wrong.)

I am in agreement.

I think it's also interesting to note that Porscha keeps quoting me and going out of the way to interact with me upon my start of Sig suspicion. This did not exist earlier.

Legacy: Kill Sig. If correct PoE is Seanzie/JoH/SPF/Porscha

If not, course correct onto Creature and Tutuu.

Yo, actually the team is
Sig
JoH
Seanzie
SPF
Porscha/Sabi

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:29 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:20 pm mac can u read through creature's posts today and give me ur thoughts? i'll do the same for sig

I've read all of his posts. They aren't great but they are better than sigs, and that Jack post pleading with us to vote out creature and tutuu over sig made my fucking skin crawl. Jack suddenly caring again and trying to be pushy is just making me think he's flipped back to hard wolfsiding probably to end the game.

I agree with this. I had the same vibe.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:39 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:38 pm I could swap Sabi for idk Porscha. I’m scum reading Sabi off that one post alone. Wilgy could also potentially be town.

I don’t think there’s a world with town Tutuu or town Creature. I’m very concerned that one is just the zealot and we’ll have a shit time after getting essentially no yeet today. But there’s nothing we can do about that possibility.

Yeah there is. If there's a Zealot it's only Creature or Tutuu so vote out sig.

I very strongly think Creature is not the zealot. I'd bet my life on it.

I missed this.

It's funny because on the circumstance Seanzie is a wolf and Creature is not, this is still true.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:19 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:06 pm SPF may be bussing Creature under that assumption and it makes for an argument against Jack's point. It also makes me more confident in a Sig vote than an Creature vote. Jack and SPF saying the similar things and suspicion does not apply to that argument.

you can hard clear me in a world where creature is mafia because i was the first person to push on creature on d1 and the first to pressure him/bring attention to him, and i have pushed on him throughout the entire game. i do like to bus at points, but i would not treat my partner in that way

the idea that i'm bussing creature to toy with jack's reasoning doesn't make sense in the context of me having pushed on creature far before jack did

This is mainly in context to the Zealot role. If Creature is the Zealot I think it is very likely a hellbus would happen.

However, this is neither here nor there. I need to do some heavy evaluation on your double self vote still. Creature/SIG both being wolves is very likely. I'm only 40% on you fitting into that.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 5:34 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 4:18 pm @Jackofhearts2005 I need you to find SPF for me then as I think that slot is counter to your argument on creature.

The players I think I currently trust the least are in the order of Creature > Sig > SPF.

None of these are on Sig and it just feels better because of that.

Your argument is very damned if you do damned if you don't and I don't really see why you'd take that approach. The Ethos you put into your argument feels misaligned.

Counter to argument? Havent jack and spf both been SR'ing creature...?

Jack's argument was Creature is unlikely being bussed.

I do not Trust SPF and Creature.

SPF may be bussing Creature under that assumption and it makes for an argument against Jack's point. It also makes me more confident in a Sig vote than an Creature vote. Jack and SPF saying the similar things and suspicion does not apply to that argument.

Again, if anyone can find SPF for me in a way that makes sense I can maybe work with that.

I continue to acknowledge that I can't read SPF for shit, but the two self votes have me VERY daunted.

@Jackofhearts2005 I need you to find SPF for me then as I think that slot is counter to your argument on creature.

The players I think I currently trust the least are in the order of Creature > Sig > SPF.

None of these are on Sig and it just feels better because of that.

Your argument is very damned if you do damned if you don't and I don't really see why you'd take that approach. The Ethos you put into your argument feels misaligned.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 10:46 pm I should prob stay away from this game.

I veto the tutuu wagon.

I prob won't oppose the sig wagon as much.

I'm doing Dennis mostly for tutuu and because I agree that he seems to be left off the hook too easily.

I'll give Sabi space for now.

Also I would like to know where you all stand on falcon.

Are you finally flailing? idk, probably biased but seems like anti-spew to me boss. I don't find any reason behind the content you've been flinging at the wall this cycle now that the heat is up. That doesn't feel good.

Seanzie put Creature in the lead.

Tutuu tied it back to Sig.

I too will review vote count
D1

fingersplints: 8
Alison
Baudib1
Bereft
lucy
MacDougall
RondoDimBuckle
staypositivefriend
tutuu

Alison: 6
falcon45ca
fingersplints
Jackofhearts2005
Neon
Roxy
sig

Baudib1: 2
DrWilgy
Seanzie

Roxy: 2
Creature
Dennis

Dennis : 1
Kate

Missed the Vote: 1
Porscha

D2

Alison: 6
falcon45ca
Neon
Jackofhearts2005
tutuu
sig
Dennis

Baudib1: 1
Seanzie

Roxy: 4
Creature
Baudib1
lucy
Alison

staypositivefriend: 2
MacDougall
staypositivefriend

D3

Creature: 3
Sabiplz, DrWilgy, falcon45ca

Dennis: 1
Roxy

DrWilgy: 1
Baudib1

Roxy: 7
Porscha, Jackofhearts2005, Dennis, tutuu, Seanzie, lucy, Creature

staypositivefriend: 2
staypositivefriend, RondoDimBuckle

tutuu: 3
MacDougall, Bereft, sig

So immediately Mac's argument that the splints wagon was pure is kinda ridiculous, but I also don't see more than 1 wolf jumping to that wagon considering the other wagons that were avaliable.
Bereft
Mac
staypositivefriend
tutuu
Likely contains one I think.

Further d1, Alison was also unlikely pure, but as this was a sitting wagon it's possible that there's 1+ wolves here I think.
Falcon
Jackoffhearts
Sig

Not enough data to glean further from d1.

D2's strong data point is the Roxy wagon. This however, is hard to validate due to the moon I think. Do I think the D2 Roxy wagon could be pure MAYBE? Is my bias to the wolf Creature world too strong for me to think about this in an unbiased manner? Nope. Moving on.

D3 is far to spread out against results for me to pull anything conclusive here strictly from the votes, with the exception that I feel very ick about SPF when observing this. Finding and noticing that I hadn't realized SPF ended on themselves twice is just kinda bad.

I'll be taking a further look at SPF this afternoon and will validate my thoughts. SPF self voting twice and possibly being the unpure element on Splints is concerning. I do not feel confident voting alongside that slot on Creature.

Is there a world where it's
SPF
Sig
JoH
Mac/Seanzie
Porscha/Sabi

I will think on this and consider. I cannot post as much today as I think I have about 11 posts remaining.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:04 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:32 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:18 pm

This is my gth solve.

@MacDougall should I wait for SPF to chime in prior to responding to this one?

Go for it.

kk, so for both you and @Jackofhearts2005 how in the hell am I aligned with both sig and creature? Seems lazy.

Instead of making me figure out why I'm supposed to disassociate you why don't you give me the evidence to the contrary in an accessible format instead of just being snarky over some micro interaction I might have missed?

Literally read what I've posted today. How can I be your top scum read if you can't even do that?

I clearly have done that. Your arguments have been repeatedly of this nature. Just posturing bad faith. Since day 0.

You don't have to be with those 2 players to be mafia. You're not a scumread of mine because they are.

How so? I think a player to have read me today would realize I can't be aligned with Sig/Creature. Yes, because I find that arguments for me being wolf are for the most part bad OR they are a gut read that for some reason no one will just call a gut read. Summarizing my play this game as entirely bad faith posturing is also weak, I openly invite you to contest my world views and you don't.

Ok, so, instead of calling it a solve, call it a PoE? A solve would indicate you believe that to be the team of 5, but your team of 5 has what I think to be clear contradictions.