The Syndicate

Good game!

Well done in the end there you two.

good game however this goes Pyx.

Last cycle you did have me doubt my read on occasion.

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 6:31 pm Dr Wilgy (1) - Pyxxy
Pyxxy (1) - Dr Wilgy

The game continues

Like, you saved LC when it was between Splints and them.

LC defended the crud out of you most of the game.

You've now petitioned both me and Daisy to agree with you because you know that was the only way you'd survive.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:24 pm the summary of my defense

is that there is no logical reason for scum Pyxxy to not just vote Wilgy yesterday

when Porscha was already voting Wilgy

why does scum Pyxxy give 110% energy yesterday to get lowposting "unreadable" Porscha

_before F3_

Because you wanted to make sure I wasn't going to snap vote you? You went out of your way to even direct your commentary about Porscha towards me wanting MY opinions on it.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:22 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:17 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:11 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:10 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:05 pm that's what I don't understand Wilgy

I was towny enough yesterday for you to be 100% okay with me leading the mischop on Porscha

but today I'm scum in your eyes, beyond almost a sliver of a doubt

what changed
Also '100% okay' feels like a mischaracterization of where I was at yesterday.
okay, fine

do you feel like you were clear about how your POE was Porscha/pyxxy yesterday?
Pretty much as clear as I could be.

In the quote above, I iterated that my gut had me yelling that it had to be in Porscha/Pyxxy but you at least being there to interact with me was making that waver.
Did you get the impression that I understood yesterday that your POE was Porscha/Pyxxy?

Because if yes.

Then why the fuck does scum!Pyxxy get Porscha killed.

@Spacedaisy this is basically my best defense, if you only have time to talk with me about one thing (and still don't think that D1 clears me), it's this.

Because it keeps you around to fight in lylo? Why wouldn't scum!Pyxxy take the misyeet?

Further why are you petitioning to Daisy rather than just letting them solve? That feels like tmi now.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:20 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:15 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:01 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:56 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:49 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:41 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:01 am

Tutuu thought Pyx/Wigly was poss 3rd wolf so not surprising they were the kill.

And I am uninvolved. So yah that's why they picked Tutuu. Smart in my book.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:11 pm I am at Pyx or Porsch or Daisy.

Been reading iso's of my dead friends and all have said Pyx. Or Daisy. Not so much Porsch.

What holds me back is the LC/Daisy baby duel. It makes me feel like not teamed but if it was distancing it was pretty sloppily put together.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:12 pm But ya know I have had suspicion of Pyx since the beginning I found unshakeable

truth bomb - It's probs where I am voting.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:35 am

where is your mind? Where is mine?

Am I reading Daisy all wrong? If yes then was Kate also reading her wrong?

If I go by just vibe it is Pyxxy every time but I cannot read Porscha------------------thoughts.

Help!
These were what made me think Roxy was more focused on you over Daisy.
Okay, thank you.

But then why doesn't scum!pyxxy kill Daisy instead of Roxy? And just fight for Roxy to vote you?
I don't think that's an argument that could've easily been made. I felt that Roxy and I were very much in sync last phase, nor do I think they'd get their read on me incorrect.
"their read on me incorrect"
lmao come on man, don't use the dead to make yourself sound like lock town

like as if this post isn't two from last
Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:43 pm If wigly is a wolf ughh his votes are terrible but so are mine but he has been putting in the effort all game not just the last few.

Re this. I guess you are correct, I don't know that Roxy wouldn't have voted me, but I really don't feel like they would've. I read it as natural speculation and tinfoil and not much more.

Do you actually think I'm going out of my way to make myself 'sound like lock town'? I am town, why wouldn't I sound like lock town to myself?
That's not what I was pointing out.

"I felt that Roxy and I were very much in sync last phase, nor do I think they'd get their read on me incorrect."

You don't need to phrase it like that. You can just say "Roxy thought I was town". But you're positioning it to make it sound like you're town, rather than just saying she thought you were town.

But I am town and I don't think she'd be wrong on the read of me?

I don't understand what you are arguing here. If Roxy were here, the situation where we lose is if they are wrong on their read of me. It's not a matter of "Roxy thought I was town" it was a matter of what results in a town loss.

[VOTE: Pyxxy] aubergine I guess.

If it's not you then GG lol

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:11 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:10 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:05 pm that's what I don't understand Wilgy

I was towny enough yesterday for you to be 100% okay with me leading the mischop on Porscha

but today I'm scum in your eyes, beyond almost a sliver of a doubt

what changed
Also '100% okay' feels like a mischaracterization of where I was at yesterday.
okay, fine

do you feel like you were clear about how your POE was Porscha/pyxxy yesterday?

Pretty much as clear as I could be.

In the quote above, I iterated that my gut had me yelling that it had to be in Porscha/Pyxxy but you at least being there to interact with me was making that waver.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:01 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:56 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:49 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:41 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:01 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:08 pm Leaves me with Porscha, Wilgy, and pyxxy. I am leaning voting Wilgy today. I'll go back and quote what I saw yesterday that changed my mind on him.

Also, tutuu being killed over roxy is an interesting choice...
Tutuu thought Pyx/Wigly was poss 3rd wolf so not surprising they were the kill.

And I am uninvolved. So yah that's why they picked Tutuu. Smart in my book.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:11 pm I am at Pyx or Porsch or Daisy.

Been reading iso's of my dead friends and all have said Pyx. Or Daisy. Not so much Porsch.

What holds me back is the LC/Daisy baby duel. It makes me feel like not teamed but if it was distancing it was pretty sloppily put together.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:12 pm But ya know I have had suspicion of Pyx since the beginning I found unshakeable

truth bomb - It's probs where I am voting.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:35 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:30 amGood morning.
where is your mind? Where is mine?

Am I reading Daisy all wrong? If yes then was Kate also reading her wrong?

If I go by just vibe it is Pyxxy every time but I cannot read Porscha------------------thoughts.

Help!
These were what made me think Roxy was more focused on you over Daisy.
Okay, thank you.

But then why doesn't scum!pyxxy kill Daisy instead of Roxy? And just fight for Roxy to vote you?
I don't think that's an argument that could've easily been made. I felt that Roxy and I were very much in sync last phase, nor do I think they'd get their read on me incorrect.
"their read on me incorrect"
lmao come on man, don't use the dead to make yourself sound like lock town

like as if this post isn't two from last
Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:43 pm If wigly is a wolf ughh his votes are terrible but so are mine but he has been putting in the effort all game not just the last few.

Re this. I guess you are correct, I don't know that Roxy wouldn't have voted me, but I really don't feel like they would've. I read it as natural speculation and tinfoil and not much more.

Do you actually think I'm going out of my way to make myself 'sound like lock town'? I am town, why wouldn't I sound like lock town to myself?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:05 pm that's what I don't understand Wilgy

I was towny enough yesterday for you to be 100% okay with me leading the mischop on Porscha

but today I'm scum in your eyes, beyond almost a sliver of a doubt

what changed

Also '100% okay' feels like a mischaracterization of where I was at yesterday.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:05 pm that's what I don't understand Wilgy

I was towny enough yesterday for you to be 100% okay with me leading the mischop on Porscha

but today I'm scum in your eyes, beyond almost a sliver of a doubt

what changed

because it was a 50/50 and now it just feels like a 100/0? I don't think that's super hard to see.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:04 pm like as if this interaction with Roxy doesn't exist!
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:06 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:02 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:48 am

I guess I'm having somewhat of a tin foil fear response to Pyx directly engaging with me.
this is *exactly* what I did to JackofHearts in a game. They were directly responding to me and my towny fears and tried to make me feel better but alas I got the heebie jeebies from their direct posting (and the voices of the dead towny's) that I elimmed them instead of my gut call on another player which would have won it for the town instead I handed the baddies a win.

What's your *gut* telling you Wigly?
Gut is telling me that getting to lylo with an unreadable Porscha sounds like a bad time. I feel like that should be avoided.

Gut is telling me that Pyxxy is still most likely to be LC's teammate and they found an angle to push Porscha.

This is why I find that I'm struggling so much lol.

At least I CAN take Pyxxy at face value and see a T. I don't think I can do the same with Porscha.
what a wild pivot from wanting me dead to seeing my case on Porscha

and _encouraging_ the thread that "we can't afford an unreadable Porscha in F3"

why would you let scum!pyxxy convince you to chop Porscha and then just chop me today?

scum!pyxxy was at least contributing to the thread in a way that I could interact with? There was enough there for me to say, 'I could be wrong, and the game could end if Porscha's the last wolf.'

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:59 pm Wilgy, if you have doubts about Daisy

why haven't you spent any time this phase posting about them?

you consistently seem to resist do any original solving beyond your massive Lime Coke interaction quote posts

you haven't even refreshed the VCA colors today!

I literally have posted about them.

Spoiler: show

Also further VCA seems fruitless, but I suppose you are correct in that I could do them.

My internal awareness of how it'd change puts Daisy as the last unknown on the Nook wagon, but alot of my
'pyx looks good d1, bad d2, bad d3, good d4' doesn't change.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:49 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:41 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:01 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:08 pm Leaves me with Porscha, Wilgy, and pyxxy. I am leaning voting Wilgy today. I'll go back and quote what I saw yesterday that changed my mind on him.

Also, tutuu being killed over roxy is an interesting choice...
Tutuu thought Pyx/Wigly was poss 3rd wolf so not surprising they were the kill.

And I am uninvolved. So yah that's why they picked Tutuu. Smart in my book.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:11 pm I am at Pyx or Porsch or Daisy.

Been reading iso's of my dead friends and all have said Pyx. Or Daisy. Not so much Porsch.

What holds me back is the LC/Daisy baby duel. It makes me feel like not teamed but if it was distancing it was pretty sloppily put together.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:12 pm But ya know I have had suspicion of Pyx since the beginning I found unshakeable

truth bomb - It's probs where I am voting.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:35 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:30 amGood morning.
where is your mind? Where is mine?

Am I reading Daisy all wrong? If yes then was Kate also reading her wrong?

If I go by just vibe it is Pyxxy every time but I cannot read Porscha------------------thoughts.

Help!
These were what made me think Roxy was more focused on you over Daisy.
Okay, thank you.

But then why doesn't scum!pyxxy kill Daisy instead of Roxy? And just fight for Roxy to vote you?

I don't think that's an argument that could've easily been made. I felt that Roxy and I were very much in sync last phase, nor do I think they'd get their read on me incorrect.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:47 pm here's where I'm at

- I still don't understand why y'all don't think I'm cleared by D1
- yesterday I thought I caught Porscha and now I owe Porscha an apology once this is over
- Wilgy made some Wilgy posts about me "taking the Porscha soft ball" and just uses it to say I'm a wolf taking advantage of his posts
- Daisy hammers despite me asking for that not to happen, and only after firmly cementing a Porscha/pyxxy POE to win the game in like 5 straight posts

so uh, yeah

you can see what I wasn't looking forward to this

I've argued that d1 isn't some smoking gun that clears you several times now Pyx.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:30 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 5:24 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:56 am oooo that catchup was kinda fun

I would do a deal with y'all @Belzy and @tutuu

if you chop me today and I flip scum then you have to assume that hollowkatt is town for the rest of the game

no ifs ands or butts
@tutuu @fingersplints

Why are y'all voting Pxxy? This post feels too out there for scum to post.
One of the first things LC did when entering the thread was a defense on Pyx.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 5:28 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:59 am
Okay seriously how can we hate this individual?
Further

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:26 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:25 pm Are you that confident in Pxxy?
NO I SUCK BUT ALSO YES

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:28 pm [VOTE: pxxy] aubergine
LC votes Pyxxy immediately shifting from a defense of them based entirely on Tutuu's sr on the slot.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:58 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:56 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:53 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:51 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:42 pm My wife has released me from the clutches of shopping.

What's going on here?
Honestly, I feel like not much has happened, which is worriesome.

HK, Nook and Pyxxy are wagons. HK's wagon is one smaller than it looks because Lime Coke subbed in for Baker.

I'd still possibly support a Baker/LC wagon (where I was at before moving to HK in a failed attempt at creating a tie)
Upon rereading through Porscha in isolation real quick, I do think that I'd like for my Porscha wagon to be back.

Porschas Nanook vote just seems to be slipped in there, and the only read I find is that Falcon and Pyxxy are towny.

Falcon being obvious town is just a lackluster statement, and then Pyxxy got a point for what seemed like am awfully level 0 read.

Originally, I had thought Porscha having 20 or so posts earlier without substance was somewhat sketchy, but now that it hasn't changed, It is even more so.
There are 8 minutes left and no one has talked about Porscha more than a little today. While I agree that they should get some scrutiny tomorrow, they aren't a reasonable option to consider right now. What do you think of the current wagons?
I'm using it to gauge the Nook wagon and I've decided I want no part in it.

Give me HK, or Pyxxy before.
I'd ask for reasoning but there isn't much time left.
Seemed to be invested in both HK and Pyxxy being up to vote here.

! This one seems important re Pyxxy/LC W/W combo !
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:59 pm Sorry something came up at work so I was taken away.
I'm trying to not allow by bias to take me when I look at this, but I really think LC wasn't expecting to end on Pyxxy day 1. They were defensive of Pyxxy up until Tutuu asked, they voted at Tutuu's behest without much reason and then once again tried to push against the subject in question when both HK and Pyxxy were in my 'would vote' range. LC just being busy explains why they didn't react to my Pyxxy vote near EoD.

and

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:14 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:39 pm so if I'm scum

then D1
- one of my teammates voted for me
- my other teammate didn't vote at all
- and I also didn't vote to self-pres because I was afk+sus of/mad at tutuu

seems a bit -EV to me
Actually just thought about this one again, why do you keep going back to d1 wagon on you as a defense? weren't you safe until I jumped on your wagon right before EoD? What makes it any less likely that you and LC just couldn't respond to my vote? (especially when we saw LC just not vote D2).

My friend, if you are town I need to know preferably within the next few hours as to why I'm wrong on Daisy. I do not think that I am wrong, but the slight chance is the only thing that's kept me from pulling the trigger on the vote.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:01 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:08 pm Leaves me with Porscha, Wilgy, and pyxxy. I am leaning voting Wilgy today. I'll go back and quote what I saw yesterday that changed my mind on him.

Also, tutuu being killed over roxy is an interesting choice...
Tutuu thought Pyx/Wigly was poss 3rd wolf so not surprising they were the kill.

And I am uninvolved. So yah that's why they picked Tutuu. Smart in my book.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:11 pm I am at Pyx or Porsch or Daisy.

Been reading iso's of my dead friends and all have said Pyx. Or Daisy. Not so much Porsch.

What holds me back is the LC/Daisy baby duel. It makes me feel like not teamed but if it was distancing it was pretty sloppily put together.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:12 pm But ya know I have had suspicion of Pyx since the beginning I found unshakeable

truth bomb - It's probs where I am voting.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:35 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:30 amGood morning.
where is your mind? Where is mine?

Am I reading Daisy all wrong? If yes then was Kate also reading her wrong?

If I go by just vibe it is Pyxxy every time but I cannot read Porscha------------------thoughts.

Help!

These were what made me think Roxy was more focused on you over Daisy.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:33 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:07 pm Riddle me this:
If Daisy, why wouldn't they have just killed me in order to turbo Pyxxy with Roxy?
Roxy was 100% going to vote me today?

Seemed like it to me at least.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:31 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:04 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:08 pm welp

I'm stuck with the two people who never evaluated each other until yesterday

and they both let me kill Porscha

this will be fun
To be fair, I've evaluated Daisy multiple times.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:24 pm I've written and deleted three posts to snap vote so that's a bad sign

I'm gonna close the tab and see y'all tomorrow
I am curious, why imply you were going to snap without explaining who or anything around said snap?
Is this a real question?

Yes, why wouldn't it be?

You did answer it here after all:

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:29 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:29 pm Why on Earth would you snap vote? Please don't! I'm not sure where my vote is going yet. I lean you, yes, but I am be no means confident enough in that to snap vote.
Because I was upset that I chopped Porscha and just wanted things to be over

But I also hate when people snap vote in milo before I even check the thread or anything, so I knew I just needed a break

I'm probably just going to vote Pyx at this rate.

Almost 24 hours of cricket noises and I don't have a sensible solution for the question I threw out above. My gut is screaming that Pyxxy is just the solve and is still the only one who made sense as both HK and LC viable.

If it is Daisy then I guess we just lose and I should've trusted the herd more, but it really doesn't feel like that's correct.

Good morning.

Riddle me this:
If Daisy, why wouldn't they have just killed me in order to turbo Pyxxy with Roxy?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:08 pm welp

I'm stuck with the two people who never evaluated each other until yesterday

and they both let me kill Porscha

this will be fun

To be fair, I've evaluated Daisy multiple times.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:24 pm I've written and deleted three posts to snap vote so that's a bad sign

I'm gonna close the tab and see y'all tomorrow

I am curious, why imply you were going to snap without explaining who or anything around said snap?

@pyxxy what are your thoughts on Daisy? I feel like you've been awfully quiet about them this phase in spite of previous interest.

I'm just waiting to see if Daisy or Porscha show back up at this point tbh.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:45 pm @DrWilgy okay but what's _your_ read on Porscha

As I've stated previously, they could be the last wolf, but I've acknowledged that this is because Porscha is a blind spot. I think I've come to the conclusion that Porscha either alignment hasn't really invested time into reading my posts, otherwise they would've known that I wasn't alone in my LC read. That makes this very difficult, as lost W and lost T look the same.

Points that detract from the idea of T Porscha are the push on me and the save on LC.

Everyone is sleepy and there's 3 hours before EoD lol

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:02 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:48 am

I guess I'm having somewhat of a tin foil fear response to Pyx directly engaging with me.
this is *exactly* what I did to JackofHearts in a game. They were directly responding to me and my towny fears and tried to make me feel better but alas I got the heebie jeebies from their direct posting (and the voices of the dead towny's) that I elimmed them instead of my gut call on another player which would have won it for the town instead I handed the baddies a win.

What's your *gut* telling you Wigly?

Gut is telling me that getting to lylo with an unreadable Porscha sounds like a bad time. I feel like that should be avoided.

Gut is telling me that Pyxxy is still most likely to be LC's teammate and they found an angle to push Porscha.

This is why I find that I'm struggling so much lol.

At least I CAN take Pyxxy at face value and see a T. I don't think I can do the same with Porscha.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:30 am How am I waffling now - idk bc I need syrup to mesh it all together, more thought, I think.

because this game is way harder than it should be.

Re Pyx

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:31 am the reason I'm stuck on you linking me to Lime Coke is because I know/_knew_ that I'm town

that's why it made me mad / why I thought it was sus

but only _I_ should have this perspective

This FEELS towny specifically. It makes me think Pyx was considering 'maybe I'm not obvtown being pushed by obvwolf.' which reflects solving.

I think my hang up on accepting it is because of this:

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:32 am wilgy I'm looking at the VCA now

wilgy I think I'm right and tbh y'all can chop me today and that's fine because I think I caught Porscha

This just feels VERY pockety to me. As if Pyx was going out of their way to petition directly to me, rather than shout at everyone 'I caught a wolf!'

I get that I think it was just Pyx and I having the back and forth in the evening, so it makes more sense in that context.

I guess I'm having somewhat of a tin foil fear response to Pyx directly engaging with me.

It doesn't help that both of the players that I saw grasping at the thread momentum were LC's savior.

I keep eyeballing vote counts and Pyxxy at least looks alittle better than Porscha D1, Porscha looks alittle better than Pyxxy D2, they both bad D3 and both look good D4.

It's very much about momentum and trying to figure out who's trying to manipulate the gamestate in a pro wolf way, if that makes sense.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:39 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:37 am
Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:35 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:30 amGood morning.
where is your mind? Where is mine?

Am I reading Daisy all wrong? If yes then was Kate also reading her wrong?

If I go by just vibe it is Pyxxy every time but I cannot read Porscha------------------thoughts.

Help!
I don't know dude. I feel that Daisy threw Porscha a soft ball on me and Porscha took it.

Then I feel like in my semi vent I threw Pyxxy a soft ball on Porscha and Pyxxy took it.

I think the one thing I got going on the Daisy read is that I don't know if W Daisy risks coming into the thread as exhausted as they did, nor do I think Daisy lies about the exhaustion regardless of alignment.

agreed, agreed on Daisy.

What do you mean softball?

Yep I am mid a week at work and already have 56 hours.............so help a old chick out if ya can.

Sorry, I don't know if there's a better word, but I just think of a soft ball pitch when a wolf latches on to another's thoughts/suspicions/mindset and then accelerates it. It's not quite the same as sheeping because it's not just 'I agree with X' it's 'I'll mimmic the incorrect or pro wolf gamestate with my own thoughts to further us along this route.'

The examples I expressed above were where this phase Daisy joined the thread thinking I was the wolf on their night kill analysis thoughts. Porscha joined the thread, didn't express the same thoughts or anything but went for me all the same. It can be seen as W Porscha trying to work with T Daisy's momentum.

And the Pyxxy example. I got somewhat annoyed at Porscha's push on me, expressed the annoyance, and then Pyxxy comes in with the 'enlightened Porscha solve.' I can see this as W Pyxxy trying to work with the momentum I just generated against Porscha.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:38 am Though, I do believe you at least believe this argument. I don't think that sleepy W Daisy would go about setting up this argument and then using it to push me while fatigued. Nor do I think that you'd AtE with exhaustion either as W, so that's a good feel.

I'd like Roxy's opinion here.

@Roxy I proposed this on Daisy earlier, and I have the mind to think you'd know this better than I.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:35 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:30 amGood morning.
where is your mind? Where is mine?

Am I reading Daisy all wrong? If yes then was Kate also reading her wrong?

If I go by just vibe it is Pyxxy every time but I cannot read Porscha------------------thoughts.

Help!

I don't know dude. I feel that Daisy threw Porscha a soft ball on me and Porscha took it.

Then I feel like in my semi vent I threw Pyxxy a soft ball on Porscha and Pyxxy took it.

I think the one thing I got going on the Daisy read is that I don't know if W Daisy risks coming into the thread as exhausted as they did, nor do I think Daisy lies about the exhaustion regardless of alignment.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:40 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:36 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:57 pm I forgot wilgy said he had a townread on lime coke which I simply do not

[VOTE: drliar] aubergine

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:00 pm I meant I simply do not believe
Yes, I said I TR'd LC multiple times. Are you aware of why?

Why do you not believe my TR on LC? Do you believe Pyxxy's or Daisy's?
wait, 3 whole people tr'd lime coke?

Yeah, Daisy, Pyxxy and I all expressed TRs for varying reasons. I'd go through my interaction review on the subject and you can peek my ISO, I don't think it's that long.

Good morning.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:21 am sorry in advance I know that I'm wild for this one

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

this isn't a promise to stay ofc but I think Porscha TMI'd me town by calling Wilgy's Lime Coke townread fake

How?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:20 am ^okay so the above, I've realized like sure it's my perspective

obviously it's my perspective

but only myself and scum know that I'm town

so this argument is inherently TMI based

Yes, that is the natural state of an entire mafia game my friend.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:10 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:00 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:55 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:36 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:57 pm I forgot wilgy said he had a townread on lime coke which I simply do not

[VOTE: drliar] aubergine

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:00 pm I meant I simply do not believe
Yes, I said I TR'd LC multiple times. Are you aware of why?

Why do you not believe my TR on LC? Do you believe Pyxxy's or Daisy's?
Why invoke me and Daisy here? Is this just because you feel like Porscha is unfairly targeting you today?
Because I want thoughts from Porscha that at least feel like they come from somewhere if Porscha is town.

I know town Porscha can and does do that. If I'm lying about LC, why am I lying about LC. Why aren't you and Daisy who all tr'd LC?
I'm not Porscha but I can answer this from my perspective

It's because you hedged being wrong about Lime Coke with me being Lime Coke's partner

So it looks like you were trying to toe the line, where _hypothetically_ you were townreading your scummate but also preparing me for a followup mischop that you would need to have a chance to win if Lime Coke did indeed get chopped

Was that hedging though? Even when we were going down that road I didn't think it was LC nor did LC move in my PoE. Realizing that I'd need to assess things differently if I was wrong on Tutuu is the only thing that lead me to think LC/Pyxxy made sense because your entire schtick with LC was and still is weird.

I've iterated that it is/was weird multiple times, but it feels that half the people 'reading me' are just ignoring or forgetting what I've actually thought this game (further why I think I may just be falling victim to being annoyed here).

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:55 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:36 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:57 pm I forgot wilgy said he had a townread on lime coke which I simply do not

[VOTE: drliar] aubergine

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:00 pm I meant I simply do not believe
Yes, I said I TR'd LC multiple times. Are you aware of why?

Why do you not believe my TR on LC? Do you believe Pyxxy's or Daisy's?
Why invoke me and Daisy here? Is this just because you feel like Porscha is unfairly targeting you today?

Because I want thoughts from Porscha that at least feel like they come from somewhere if Porscha is town.

I know town Porscha can and does do that. If I'm lying about LC, why am I lying about LC. Why aren't you and Daisy who all tr'd LC?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:54 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:31 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:52 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:48 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:14 am it is heartening that you don't think I have an online/ever-present tell as scum tho <3
wdym? Online/ever-present tell? You referring to me seeing you browse the thread randomly? I've seen it, but I'm not going to form reads off it. I leave my computer with a thread open quite often, so who knows what I'm actually looking at when you see me down there.
sort of

but also when I'm town, I'll bring up lack of activity as a townie thing from me, because I simply wouldn't be offline/not engaged if I was scum, because I like winning

Do you feel like you got any sense of my town game when you wolfed with Alison? Is there anything that you can bring into this game to solve me?
I mean, I assume you like winning as town as well right?

Not really, honestly. That game we planned from the gate to be in full bus mode because of our composition, so I was only half paying attention and was expecting for I to either bus Alison and become invested after or for Alison to bus me and I sleep.

If your argument is from a meta perspective I should be observing town Pyxxy, is that game a good reference? When I think of your town game, I think of the game where you were super towing it after I died and you ended up getting mislimed anyways.
well, then the optimal play is to just let us chop you today

either you're scum and town wins, or you're town and you dying will turn me into obv town tomorrow, so town still wins

only reason you would disagree with this genius logic is if you're scum!

---

I don't have an argument.

I was asking if you got to know me better when you wolfed.

Your answer was no because you weren't paying attention.

We go next o7

Pyxxy you are confusing my friend.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:48 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:41 pm It feels like you've been shooting from the hip all game, but even now it feels like you are just playing a game that the rest of us aren't a part of. You gunning for me now without any real context, right after Daisy expressed concern on my slot (at least with context mind you), honestly feels abit opportunistic of a pivot.

Why did you vote for Splints while SRing LC?
woah there Wilgy

Porscha made like 3 posts and dipped

you're not the type to get paranoid on defense

anyways

@Porscha, that's it?

Meh, I wouldn't say that I'm paranoid on defense, but maybe I am abit frustrated.

I feel that if we had an assessing Tutuu for afew rounds and didn't need to use a flip on Splints we'd be in a much better spot. Now I'm trying my best to decide between you and Porscha, while at the same time Porscha just says I'm disgenuine in my reads without reason.

Like, am I to assess a T Porscha who actually thinks my reads are lies? If so, how? I've been given nothing after trying really hard to make good reads this game. Or, is this W Porscha capitalizing on Daisy's previously given suspicion on me?

Though, I do believe you at least believe this argument. I don't think that sleepy W Daisy would go about setting up this argument and then using it to push me while fatigued. Nor do I think that you'd AtE with exhaustion either as W, so that's a good feel.

I'd like Roxy's opinion here.

I think the issue is you see a townfirm Roxy and not a townfirm Tutuu.

Regardless of which of the two are around, they'd be townfirm. Tutuu hyperposts and Roxy doesn't.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:25 am You and I have both over the last two days had serious doubts about tutuu. If I am town and you are twin, why kill tutuu over the person who cast the hammer vote that you and I both know never buses?

It just doesn’t make sense to me in a world where you and I are both town.

But to be frank, I am really exhausted and my brain isn't motivated to brain right now. So fuck if what makes sense to me makes sense to anyone else or actually does make sense.

Aye, but I really don't think there was a doubt about Tutuu following LC's flip. I think this thinking ignores that LC flipping wolf changes the dynamics of alot of my reads.

Tutuu expressed suspicion on me, Pyxxy, and Porscha. If the wolf is not in you, me, and Roxy, I still think W Pyxxy and W Porscha had more than enough to want to kill the active townfirmed Tutuu who said they'd get invested in the game again following LC's flip.

And again, this is not to say Roxy isn't townfirm, Roxy is, but Roxy has 66 posts to Tutuu's 417.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:18 am I’ve had a bunch of unexpected stuff come up tonight and last night and I can’t lie, I’m just really fucking tired atm.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:14 am
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:01 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:08 pm Leaves me with Porscha, Wilgy, and pyxxy. I am leaning voting Wilgy today. I'll go back and quote what I saw yesterday that changed my mind on him.

Also, tutuu being killed over roxy is an interesting choice...
Tutuu thought Pyx/Wigly was poss 3rd wolf so not surprising they were the kill.

And I am uninvolved. So yah that's why they picked Tutuu. Smart in my book.
Not at all. 1. You never bus. 2. Your vote killed Lime Coke. There is no world where I think you can be bad given those two things. Tutuu, if both Wilgy and I are town, while looking town, isn’t as unworkable for a wolf pyxxy or wolf Porscha as you are.

I don't think anyone is arguing that Roxy isn't clear. Both Tutuu and Roxy were/are clear from the LC flip.

I at least, personally never vote Tutuu if Tutuu was around instead of Roxy, so the argument against wolf Pyxxy/Porscha not making that kill seems flawed.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:08 am
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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:34 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:20 pm Possibly setting up a follow up mislim if LC goes over.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:40 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:38 pm Also. HATE you trying to order me before Lime Coke in that post.

Why would you hate that? I've iterated why I think LC is town multiple times.

I think the only situation where they aren't is if you are their wolf partner, just on the context of your pivots around the slot.

Why is it suddenly setting up a mislim when I've been stating my suspicions on both Pyxxy and Tutuu for the greater part of two cycles? Tutuu/LC were never teammates, but why would it be 'setting up the mislim' by questioning the very real Pyxxy/LC team?

The blind belief in me with a rather fuzzy explanation why at best. I think I might be getting pocketed to try and manipulate in an f3 situation. I hate being in f3.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:38 pm Meh, maybe that's why I'm still alive though? idk. Doubting the Daisy read too much rn feels like it's the incorrect thing to do.

And this one feels like it misses out alot of the context of my read on you? I'm pretty sure I've been very clear in that I had a general townread on you for most of the game and the interactions with HK very much made me think you weren't W/W there.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:37 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:33 pm honestly every fiber of my being wants to chop Daisy

I cannot fathom how you are townreading a slot that posted once yesterday

and that post was to sheep your reads

and you did not comment on that AT ALL

like Daisy straight up put you at the core of her town and you didn't question it at all

stuff like
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:47 am Thanks Wilgs, I can confuse myself when my brain gets going, and I somehow missed that bit of your post. I'll think on it.
and
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:43 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:55 pm Now that I've finished practicing my JJJ cross examinations. I take nap.

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

Should be back before EoD. Goodnight <3<3
Well done, Wilgy. Thanks for helping us out with that.
which she hasn't posted towards other people at all

like are you pocketed? what is actually going on
Daisy is not always around to post consistently from what I'm aware.

I tried reassessing afew times, especially when you pointed Daisy out to me last cycle and came to the conclusion that I had come to previously. Without flips, I don't see my opinions on Daisy changing at all. If we are in W Daisy world, yeah I'm super pocketed. I don't think we are in that world though.
This post looks like someone who knows it might look sus that he is still alive if he really is town and not getting a lot of suspicion for being bad in thread.
Was I really not getting a lot of suspicion? I outright miscleared a W and Tutuu was very much pro push Wilgy without discussing with him. Also is it not normal to wonder where the kills are and aren't? If the reason why I was alive was due to a misclear it was in misclearing either you and or lc. If the reason why I was alive was because I was misyeetable it was because of Tutuu.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 9:39 am My positions from yesterday haven't really shifted much. Splints being T somewhat reaffirms the Roxy read. I don't think both Splints and Kate are wrong on the slot.

I'd say I'm at
Tutuu > Pyxxy > Porscha > LC > Daisy > Roxy

My towncore is being eaten while I'm still here has me questioning why I am alive though. I'll reassess the middle of my PoE at some point later.
I am not willing to vote quickly here because of hammer. For an explanation of why I've been quieter recently. I had not intended to actually leave my vote on splints, I wasn't feeling confident, I'm not accustomed to hammers. Not a big fan, frankly. Anyway, I didn't get back here because I had a class reunion on Saturday. I had read some stuff before the hammer on LC, but I wasn't sure what I thought of it, then you all hammered while I was gone anyway. I wasn't feeling LC, I likely wouldn't have been on that wagon anyway. He would have gotten by me.

I don't like Wilgy's look right now based on how he moved during the last day.

But I could be wrong, maybe he has the right end of the stick with pyxxy/LC.

I keep coming back to the tutuu kill. This last flip confirms Roxy town. No way is she wolf here. Why would you kill tutuu instead?
"I don't like Wilgy's look right now based on how he moved during the last day." is this regarding what you quoted above? Where do you think I would've ended had the hammer not gone out? Alot of my effort last cycle was spent in questioning mostly how I feel on Pyxxy. I don't really know how my thoughts would've developed because hammer happened.

Does the last kill not instantly clear Tutuu as well? Tutuu was consistently on LC for multiple phases.
I’m because if you and I are bad, we have not been either one of us following tutuu and in fact have been doubting tutuu. I’ve outright been considering voting them multiple points.

Roxy literally sealed the hammer. It is hard and fast not her. Tutuu could still be worked with. Which makes me think it’s you, because I know it’s not me.

I don't really follow. From your perspective, If I'm T, Tutuu doesn't get yeeted because W thinks I could be used to misyeet Tutuu? is that the thought?

I don't think this makes sense, I've iterated that Tutuu is T in a W LC world. Resolving LC basically resolved Tutuu and I don't see where a Tutuu suspicion would be warranted following LC's flip. Tutuu also invested way more energy and game time into flipping LC than Roxy (which I think even Roxy observed above).

It feels like you've been shooting from the hip all game, but even now it feels like you are just playing a game that the rest of us aren't a part of. You gunning for me now without any real context, right after Daisy expressed concern on my slot (at least with context mind you), honestly feels abit opportunistic of a pivot.

Why did you vote for Splints while SRing LC?

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:57 pm I forgot wilgy said he had a townread on lime coke which I simply do not

[VOTE: drliar] aubergine

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:00 pm I meant I simply do not believe

Yes, I said I TR'd LC multiple times. Are you aware of why?

Why do you not believe my TR on LC? Do you believe Pyxxy's or Daisy's?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:59 pm just a heads up that if you do chop me today I will say ggs at EOD regardless of my alignment in order to fuck with y'all

This is exactly what a wolf would say!

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