The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:46 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:35 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:26 am @MacDougall

I feel like you are playing a mafia game that parallels the one the rest of us our playing, like you're not playing this game fully, with your teammate compatibility angle.

I don't understand this post.

You blamed me for Spacedaisy's lynch.
That's fair because I feel the same way. My perspectives are different to most. This always happens. When I find Mafia they tend to be the players everyone else misses and I am blind to the ones the majority catch.

I thought I explained very clearly why I went to group 3. The players I had scum reads on in group 1 and 2 were either not up for lynch or posting content that made me doubt my reads. I even made a point of saying it's time to consider that there are a lot of mafia in group 3. I picked you two out mostly because you were more front of mind than the others.

You were the one who posed whether I would feel differently if Daisy were the one catching votes when you were. And that was what caught my hastily thought through vote that ended up stuck on her wagon.

I haven't solved you. Some of your content looks civvie but I am gut reading you scum.
Spacedaisy wasn't up for a lynch... Until she suddenly was.

My point was, you went for the low-hanging fruit, Dr. Wilgy and Marmot. I'm also pretty sure also stated that the thread was moving in the direction of lynching me because of you (although I can't find that post right now). You're capable of doing such things, so why not push it towards a higher-profile suspect?

I don't think you cared that Spacedaisy was lynched. I get that you voted her in the end, but I'm not sure how meaningful it was.

I might be prolific but influential I am not. I rarely ever am able to get my way on who is lynched because I am not a strong case maker or case reader. I read tells and meta and it rarely compels people.

I don't think you and Wilgy were low hanging fruit. You are either faking it or just feel that way as a victim. I chose the two players from group 3 who were the most capable of defending themselves and who I perceived as the most present. I felt you two were just joking around. You were only in group 3 because of that. The others were in group 3 because of low post counts. That is why you two were selected by me.

The thread was moving towards lynching you partially because I tossed you up for discussion but I had no case so if votes flew at you it wasn't because they read anything compelling I said or they were compelled too easily.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:29 am Okay but if she is a civ read there is value in exploring her read on you and refuting it with content because she has value as a teammate. As it stands your post will do nothing to remove her doubt about you so one of your civ reads will remain focused on you rather than players you think are Mafia. Sorry if I'm not making sense.
You're making sense. We fundamentally disagree about the utility of self-defense. I think the effort necessary to "remove her doubt", if that's even possible, is greater than it's worth -- it would hinder my play as much as or more than it'd help hers. It might be different for some people who are not me.

People are going to tinfoil on me and try to tease apart my tiniest motives until the end of Mafia time. Trying to combat that is not productive, because no matter how hard I try people are still not going to understand the way I play this game as keenly as I do. I accepted that a long time ago. If I am suspicious then I am probably going to remain suspicious until hard information turns that for the better. And where self-defense may not work, continued effort to do the things that I believe matter more (solving the game) might serve that function anyway. It has before.

This is a philosophical decision.

You're right that we disagree. I don't think people would be unable to be talked around if you gave them insight into your mind. Perhaps that occurred one too many times with a player or two who were too pig headed to care but I don't think that way of the majority of people here.

I could definitely appreciate why you would react that way to me or Golden or Zebra.

Thanks for the explanation.

Thank you for answering me btw.

Do you consider players who appear to be reading the play differently to the consensus generally scummy?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:26 am @MacDougall

I feel like you are playing a mafia game that parallels the one the rest of us our playing, like you're not playing this game fully, with your teammate compatibility angle.

I don't understand this post.

You blamed me for Spacedaisy's lynch.

That's fair because I feel the same way. My perspectives are different to most. This always happens. When I find Mafia they tend to be the players everyone else misses and I am blind to the ones the majority catch.

I thought I explained very clearly why I went to group 3. The players I had scum reads on in group 1 and 2 were either not up for lynch or posting content that made me doubt my reads. I even made a point of saying it's time to consider that there are a lot of mafia in group 3. I picked you two out mostly because you were more front of mind than the others.

You were the one who posed whether I would feel differently if Daisy were the one catching votes when you were. And that was what caught my hastily thought through vote that ended up stuck on her wagon.

I haven't solved you. Some of your content looks civvie but I am gut reading you scum.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:25 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:20 am Why bark like that at someone you have a civ read on? You are a dominant voice and you could discourage her from continuing to analyse the game. If she is civ you should encourage her.
I'm sick of hearing about how suspicious I am. I already know my role card. I just swatted your accusation away derisively too.

If people suspect me then that's great. I don't care to waste my time talking about these little guesses about what sinister machinations JJJ may be up to. Very few people seem to get me.

If anyone feels discouraged by my being a grouch, then don't be. You play your hearts out.

Okay but if she is a civ read there is value in exploring her read on you and refuting it with content because she has value as a teammate. As it stands your post will do nothing to remove her doubt about you so one of your civ reads will remain focused on you rather than players you think are Mafia. Sorry if I'm not making sense.

I feel the need to point out something. I notice that my posts are very different on phone. I can type 120wpm on keyboard so I am able to post at the speed that I think whereas on phone I have to slow down to post and my words come out more verbose. I have tended to catch heat for my phone posts and civ cred for keyboard posts.

All my night work was at my keyboard for instance. Being unable to switch between tabs and easily copy paste quotes and read ISOs sucks. Please consider what device I am using when you tone read me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:04 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:03 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:25 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:22 am wait wtf Jay pressure-voted for Sloonei rather than immediately voting for Epi like he was supposed to? Nice try dude, that actually makes me lean back toward the Sloonei-and-Jay-are-scumbuddies side.
I don’t care.
Do you think nutella is mafia?
Light green skittle.

Why bark like that at someone you have a civ read on? You are a dominant voice and you could discourage her from continuing to analyse the game. If she is civ you should encourage her.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:13 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:22 am Baseline reads as of right now:

MacDougall
DaveDaisy
Kylemii
Long Con

Sloonei
Marmot
Epignosis
nutella

DrWilgy
novaselinenever
Dyslexicon
FZ.
LoRab

speedchuck
Why am I town?

Linki: GTH, I'd call you a scummuffin Mac.

Based on what?

Long Con does highlight some posts from speedchuck that are pingy. I felt at the time that he wasn't actually all that focused on the game but hand waved it somewhat as him coasting because he wasn't catching flak.

I would say his points have given me pause on speedchuck particularly given he was my number 1 gut civ read. When I analysed his interactions and found a good number of viable scum teammates I was quite surprised so now that there is some post analysis to his detriment I would be interested to see that lead explored more.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:09 am Spacedaisy,

Mac countered your lynch because it was easy. How does that make him civilian. I do agree that your lynch was "easy", but the notion that anyone calling it out as such is a civilian is a bit much.

As we all know, a wolf can defend a sudden civilian lynch more insightfully than a civilian can.

What's your read on me?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:37 am Daisy's stance on me was more mild than I expected. If she was scum, she'd be able to just ride the wave on me until I get lynched without drawing too much ire. She seems to be genuinely reconsidering Daisy 1.0's read.
Drwilgy moved his vote off of me last night. Scum wilgy doesn't need to do that.
I don't remember anything Dyslexicon has said except to uestion me for asking nutella to clarify her Dizzy read. I'm responsible for reading Dizzy's posts, but it's not inspiring that, after a full Day/Night phase, I'm unaware of their contributions to this game.
I've typed paragraphs about Epignosis.
I touched upon my town read of FZ in a post a minute ago. It's not strong, but my gut points in favor of her.
JaggedJimmyJay - Campaigned passionately to save me yesterday, is trying to make me sweat today. Cool Jay things to do.
Kylemii - My own emotions last night were a perfect illustration of why townie Kyle would have acted the way he did.
Long Con - I feel like Scum Con would be more of a force in this game right now.
LoRab - Touched on previously.
MacDougall - Night work was awesome, and I liked his contributions on Day 1 before that.
Marmot - Touched on earlier. I want to go back to look at his posts to better identify where my feelings come from though.
novaseline - 3 posts, I think? And 0 things about the game discussed therein.
nutella - Refuses to give me the time of day.
Speedchuck - I feel like he has been the most stable thread presence in this game so far.

I changed my format in the middle of this list.

Your comment on Long Con was swiftly followed by him making a fairly significant post. So how do you feel about him now?

Also what do you base that point on?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:25 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:22 am wait wtf Jay pressure-voted for Sloonei rather than immediately voting for Epi like he was supposed to? Nice try dude, that actually makes me lean back toward the Sloonei-and-Jay-are-scumbuddies side.
I don’t care.

Do you think nutella is mafia?

I see you expanded so that's a better look at least.

Linki: My brain struggled to understand his points tbh. I will try again.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:09 am Long Con is a civilian and I am voting for speedchuck.

I don't think his post is anywhere near as good as you seem to do. It's precisely what I would expect scum Long Con to enter with on day 2 as a player who has attracted a little suspicion. Pick a player and make a wall post case for civ cred.

Furthermore... Im not sure civ Jay would be that easy to convince.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:30 am You know you're invested in a game when you have to be up in five hours but you just can't help but answer one more post... lol

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:00 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:56 am That is one thing you and I can agree on, but more on that when I post the coherent version of my thoughts later. First let's hear some conversation in here and it better be more than conversation about freaking Kyle or people just saying Epi is a foregone conclusion. That's just about as lame as my lynch was. Even if he is lynched, don't sit there and twiddle your thumbs and say, aren't we all just voting Epi?
Since you've had a 24-hour period of just being able to ruminate without posting, I have a request of you. I'm going to put some pairings below. Make the assumption, in each pairing, that one is scum and one is not. Then tell me which one you'd shoot.

Epi vs Jay
Epi vs Sloonei
Dizzy vs FZ
LoRab vs Marmot

Feel free to throw one out if you have no thoughts on it, or throw another pair in.
Jay
Ugh can I say both on Epi and Sloonei? GTH, I'm going with Epi.
And these last two are harder to choose because I have so little read on one or both...
I would say FZ. Based on the fact I am reading Dyslexicon as one of four hard town reads right now
And I don't know, maybe Lorab? No real read on either of them other than Marmot seemed genuinely frustrated when he thought he was being lynched. But baddies can be frustrated too.

I have a question for @MacDougall please. Why did you talk like you wanted to stop my lynch but not put any actions behind it? You just sat with your vote on me.

My vote went onto you errantly quite a few hours before deadline. I was struggling to find a strong case on any of my group 1 or 2 players and nobody was sharing my suspicions so I decided to poke at Wilgy and Marmot who were the group 3 players I had the most analysis to go by. Marmot shifted this motion at you and I fell for it.

The heat on you started to form and alarmed me as it appeared like a mislynch. Unfortunately no compelling wagon formed imo. At EOD I had a choice to make between two players I town read and one, you, that looked like a mislynch but that I was null on. I was preparing to take a gambit and just hammer one of the others close to EOD as I thought it might be the kind of surprise move the mafia team would be unable to band to prevent and then at the last moment several votes fell on you which meant I couldn't do it. I considered moving my vote off you late just to make a point but figured I would catch heat for it. I spent the next few hours trying to scrub your blood off my hands with the interaction analysis because I felt like I failed so much at EOD.

I also am phone bound for the next 36 hours so my volume will drop.

Either this day results in a lynch of Epi or Sloonei or I want them both to stop talking about each other. If this days analysis focuses on them again and we fail to lynch one it will be a massive failure.

That should be relatively useful once you nab the first Mafia player.

Anyway it's done

https://screencast.com/t/mOEFHqlSOri

What sounds more likely

JaggedJimmyJay and Dr.Wilgy are partners
Long Kyle and Kylemii are partners
Speedchuck and Epignosis are partners

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:20 pm I'm not seeing baddie LA. I also feel like there was quite the bandwagon going on earlier against her, although it seems to have moved off.

I'm going to vote Epi for now. I'm not feeling great and may fall asleep on the keyboard, so want to be sure to not forget to vote. He's really the only one I'm noticing who is playing their baddie game.

nutella it's interesting, Lorab only made 7 posts and one of them she took the time to make a civ read on you yet here you are with a mafia read on her? 7 posts, one of which is a civ clear on you and you think she is Mafia? What's that based on?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:06 am Nah dude. Wolves are Epi and two of speedchuck, Long Con, or LoRab.

I'm good. Kyle's good. LC's prolly bad.

Wilgy's good. Marmot, who the fuck knows.

Could be, these reads are to determine potential combinations and anticombos so there isn't really anything about the post content applied to it.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:49 pm That said, I don't think we should lynch nutella at all. She's a civilian.

TMI?

If nutella is not in that team Marmot OR but not AND Wilgy could be.

Both Kyle and nutella had ample suspicion so I would appreciate if others made a comment about how the felt any of these three looked when the others were under pressure to see if they can see what I am seeing.

Found the most likely partnership so far. Kyle and Long Con. Speedchuck and Sloonei make no sense to be part of that team. The most likely partner to that team is nutella.

Kyle, Long Con & nutella?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:10 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:01 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:55 pm This section is sketchy, Kyle, it reads like it's written by someone with a mafia alignment. "you've never even seen me play as mafia before" implies you're mafia now, and the statement that there's "not enough to build correlation from" implies that there could be enough at some point, but if you're Civ, then the idea would be that "correlation is impossible because I'm not bad."
This section is sketchy, Long Con. You've shoved words into Kylemii's face and said "These are the civilian words. You didn't say the civilian words." as if there aren't multiple possible examples of a civilian response to my poop.
That's a dumbed-down version of what I was saying. I gave an example of a Civilian perspective to make my point more clear. I didn't tell him what he had to say, I told him what what he said felt like to me.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:03 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:01 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:55 pm This section is sketchy, Kyle, it reads like it's written by someone with a mafia alignment. "you've never even seen me play as mafia before" implies you're mafia now, and the statement that there's "not enough to build correlation from" implies that there could be enough at some point, but if you're Civ, then the idea would be that "correlation is impossible because I'm not bad."
This section is sketchy, Long Con. You've shoved words into Kylemii's face and said "These are the civilian words. You didn't say the civilian words." as if there aren't multiple possible examples of a civilian response to my poop.
So it was poop? And you think LC ate it?

I ate it, but I puked it back up.
I want to be clear that I didn't eat any poop. I had nothing to do with JJJ's supposed tell in my post.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:16 pmLC picks out the specific part of my response that supports his point despite the fact that the part he cropped out makes his point of agreement less meaningful.
Looking back, that is true. It was unintentional - I like to cut down quotes to the part I'm responding to for easier reading, and I lost that relevant part and reacted to just my slice. Kyle said that it's 100% false before the part I analyzed.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:47 pm Y'all please tell me about Epignosis's last post.

He rightly asserts that I shouldn't be assumed good because I make stuff happen. He then parlays that into "hang Jay and Sloonei", as though "doesn't make him good" is equivalent to "makes them bad".

No thanks. I won't be needing any of that today.
It's not something I'm taking very seriously. Is Epi really going to pursue your lynches?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:30 pm Jay and I have been scum partners once. It was in Street Fighter. He bussed me on Day 1 and then subbed out.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:59 pm I just made a post of only adverbs in response to Epi.
Badass.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:57 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:48 pm Do you scum read me?
I don't quite scum read you but I don't town read you yet either.

You haven't done the things I expect town Sloonei to do yet which is a cause for concern.
I would like to eventually know what those things are, because it would help me to believe this statement is real.

LC's very next post =

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:41 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:14 am So far, Kyle is very likely town. The rest is whatever. Except everyone are super cute and adorable. <3
Hey Diz. Kyle's clear for me at this point as well. I really enjoyed his post about his expectations for Sloonei.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:44 am Epignosis is my final vote. The guy said it’s same shit different day, meaning he is well aware that my play in this game is ordinary for a civilian JJJ. His case is contngent upon that.

Just think that through, people.
Epignosis has shown more than once, his ability to use bizarro Epi-Logic for his cases early on. I know this intimately. You've been there before, why is this making you OMGUS so hard?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:31 amThis is the biggest load of shit I've ever seen Epignosis dump into a Mafia thread.
It's really, really, really, really not.

Based on this?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:36 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:10 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:16 pmLC picks out the specific part of my response that supports his point despite the fact that the part he cropped out makes his point of agreement less meaningful.
Looking back, that is true. It was unintentional - I like to cut down quotes to the part I'm responding to for easier reading, and I lost that relevant part and reacted to just my slice. Kyle said that it's 100% false before the part I analyzed.
It's alright.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:57 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:48 pm Do you scum read me?
I don't quite scum read you but I don't town read you yet either.

You haven't done the things I expect town Sloonei to do yet which is a cause for concern.
I would like to eventually know what those things are, because it would help me to believe this statement is real.
well to summarize it, I expect Sloonei to ride around on his bike throwing rocks in people's spokes. Always trying to get their wheels to skip, to see if their mafia baseball cards fall out of their pockets. Similar to how early Jay operates but with a different composure and also his name is blue. He puts out his tentacles and feels shit out, asks people probing questions, gets people involved when they aren't involved. That's how I see him at least.

I haven't seen those things yet.

FZ. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:08 pm Why did Nutella get 2 votes?

Did wilgy actually post something with content?

This Wilgy comment is interesting because FZ had barely been engaged at all. The fact that she had an opinion about the way Wilgy had been playing up to that point intrigues me.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:41 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:28 amKylemii is done;

Very unlikely = Speedchuck
Possible = Epignosis, nutella, Long Con, Wilgy, Marmot and Lorab
Null = Dizzy, Nova and Dave
Unlikely = Sloonei, JJJ, FZ

Kylemmi has the most possible partners so far, which is a hell of a feat given he has a lot of posts. Quite a nice little group of people that he avoided engaging in any meaningful way.
Idk, I guess I did end up focusing on Sloonei and Jay for most of that day phase. You did miss out on some interaction between me and LC though.

I am reading the posts now though. Occasionally I will make a judgement call that is based on the tone of the interaction to lean it one way or the other but primarily this is being determined by the lack of meaningful interaction.

nutella is done;

Possible = JJJ, Kyle
Null =Dizzy, Lorab, Nova, Dave
Unlikely = Speedchuck, Sloonei, FZ, Long Con, Wilgy, Marmot
Impossible = Epi

Epi and nutella cannot be teammates.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:26 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:23 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:21 amthat one, mac.
I wouldn't describe it as unhelpful either. It was highlighting several Kyle posts that you thought were pingy in an amusing way. Not destructive amazing scum hunting but not unhelpful.

I see very little substance in considering him doing so a scum tell though? He was just playing along with you?
It was the post where I asked him to explain what was unhelpful about it that I didn't like. I mean, I didn't like that he called it unhelpful in the first place, but the elaboration on it set off every alarm in my head.

I see. I would have liked to have seen him explain that he was also being rather jocular rather than trying to be 100% serious. I don't think he would have put a whole heap of thought into calling it unhelpful so to make the claim that he did say it for a valid reason is a little bit hard to take.

It's not much though Sloonei from the outside looking in. I think you are feeling it because you are the target.

speedchuck did a lot of things that made him my number one civ read but he also did a lot of coasting and joking, which I suppose is hard not to do when you have nobody pressuring you either way. I would have liked to have seen him use his position to carry more influence over the end result instead of a whole bunch of people pointing at each other as I imagine his opinion could have swayed things in one direction.

Kylemii is done;

Very unlikely = Speedchuck
Possible = Epignosis, nutella, Long Con, Wilgy, Marmot and Lorab
Null = Dizzy, Nova and Dave
Unlikely = Sloonei, JJJ, FZ

Kylemmi has the most possible partners so far, which is a hell of a feat given he has a lot of posts. Quite a nice little group of people that he avoided engaging in any meaningful way.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:21 amthat one, mac.

I wouldn't describe it as unhelpful either. It was highlighting several Kyle posts that you thought were pingy in an amusing way. Not destructive amazing scum hunting but not unhelpful.

I see very little substance in considering him doing so a scum tell though? He was just playing along with you?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:56 pm Daisy, Dave, Dizzy, FZ, NVN, I have almost no impression at all of any of these players yet

At the time you made this post you had already posted a case on FZ, which was more than you had done on other players outside this group. I find it strange that you included her in this group given that.

This one?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:38 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:34 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:18 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:31 am Kyle is with the Russian Police. Discuss.
strongly disagree
I'm afraid that is irrelevant. I know your tell and you have revealed yourself. I am sorry to wreck your game so quickly, but it's just how this works.
that's actually 100% false? first of all, I am a kind and hard-working citizen of Anetevka, so that part's wrong

second of all you've never even seen me play as mafia before, the only player in recent history who has is dunya and even then it was just one game under unique circumstances, not enough to build correlation from
Indignant

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:11 pm okay so you think a 48 hour long game with teens who kept being terrible dicks to each other is going to be indicative of how I play in a real game as mafia?

one game isn't enough for real tell correlation, famous poker player sneezes the first time they roll a full house you don't just assume that they have a full house the second time they sneeze
Incredulous & Indignant.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:13 pm i don't recognize any parallel
Negative

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:19 pm i actually kinda assumed you were lying for standard day zero jay-prod purposes?
Dismissive

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:42 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:29 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:12 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:11 pm okay so you think a 48 hour long game with teens who kept being terrible dicks to each other is going to be indicative of how I play in a real game as mafia?

one game isn't enough for real tell correlation, famous poker player sneezes the first time they roll a full house you don't just assume that they have a full house the second time they sneeze
So you recognize the parallel then?
boom rekt
I really don't recognise the parallel. I don't even know for sure if there is one without looking. In this game I've comfortably talked about musicals with people I already know, and in that game (I think?) I spent the first several of my posts trying to get to know the players on that site. I'm like 60% sure Jay is just making things up to prod for reactions but if not then he's wrong and his basis is flawed. If there really is a parallel Jay sees then it's 100% just a coincidence and not caused by alignment-bias.
Indignant

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:00 pm
Aardvarks Bark wrote:Alright let's goooooo.

Everyone please do me a solid favor and describe yourselves in terms of playstyle in whatever level of detail you feel is necessary. It's important.

It's nice to meet you all.
was it "let's go"? I've been trying to make it a thing lately. as like a fun tradition of sorts I guess.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:04 pm mmmmmlets go
I opened with "let's go" in vocaroo as well, and a few other games I think.

Is that it? My next few posts in that thread were to make excuses for being late to the thread and to call people out for being shitty and rude to each other, and to ask people about their usual meta. I haven't done any of those things so it has to be the "let's go" right? :-?
Incredulous

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:34 pm Hey @JaggedJimmyJay I'm telling you right now, if you get me wrongly lynched and don't reveal what you thought the tell was then I'm not going to easily forgive you for it.

If you're really just making this up then it's not a cool tactic. If you legitimately think I have a tell then sure fine whatever, everyone's wrong sometimes, but if not then you have to take responsibility for it. Promise me.
Defiant

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:42 pm I take everything that involves me seriously.

Jay is a thread-leader. Stuff he says often ends up having impact. I'm not going to ignore it when he makes some vague claim about me, especially not if people are actually listening.
Indignant

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:09 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:54 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:34 pm Hey @JaggedJimmyJay I'm telling you right now, if you get me wrongly lynched and don't reveal what you thought the tell was then I'm not going to easily forgive you for it.

If you're really just making this up then it's not a cool tactic. If you legitimately think I have a tell then sure fine whatever, everyone's wrong sometimes, but if not then you have to take responsibility for it. Promise me.
Why leave out the third option?
the option where I survive has no bearing on my request. What I'm saying that if I do end up getting lynched for Jay's 'tell' then Jay has to be held accountable. He can't just say something like "oh well it didn't work this time but I'm going to keep what it was a secret in case it's a tell in the future. " and shrug it off.

If his tactic here causes me to die then I want his reasoning to be thoroughly checked into.
Obtuse
unhelpful

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:19 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:05 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:04 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:21 pm You described my post as "unhelpful" earlier. why?
because it was unhelpful

all you did was sharpen the focus on something that was already being focused on

is that value added?
I still dislike every single word of this post. If I'm going to reduce my suspicion of Kyle down to a single post, I want it to be this one. It starts here.
I don't know why.
It's incredibly dismissive of a post I made about him. I don't feel like "No value added" is an authentic stance for Kyle to take. It especially rings false when he spent a small portion of the day criticizing me for not doing enough to generate content. what I felt like was my most provocative post of the entire game so far was dismissed by him as "unhelpful" and "no value added".
It evokes memories of a bogus case Jay made as scum in Mountain Mafia when he argued that a certain player's posts "had little civilian utility."

Share the post that he called unhelpful.

That's going to be a legendary fail post at the end of the game isn't it.

For the first time I see a partnership I literally can't imagine is Mafia.

Kyle and Speedchuck does not compute.

Jimmy complete.

Possible teammates = Kylemii, Wilgy.
Unlikely = Speedchuck, Sloonei, Epignosis, nutella, FZ, Long Con, Marmot, Lorab
Null =- Dyslexicon, Nova, Dave

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:00 am I'm open to hearing about an Epi/speedchuck connection. The latter is someone I haven't given the proper care and attention.

Your post history shows that you've given speedchuck quite a bit of attention, particularly earlier in the game.

I am doing both.

This tactic is going to be completely useless when it comes to teammates who decide to open fire on one another, if that happened, but I think generally the way teammates interact with one another has tells and this should find some interesting leads for normal mafia team interaction or lack thereof.

It's also useful for determining players for whom have no sensible teammates, like Sloonei.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:00 am I can understand it, Mac. For me the biggest hangup in an Epi/Kyle pair is that I still don't think Kyle looks bad on his own. Any suspicion I have of him now is a product of Epignosis.

I'm open to hearing about an Epi/speedchuck connection. The latter is someone I haven't given the proper care and attention.

It's important to note that these reads are entirely related to POSSIBLE scum partnerships and have nothing to do specifically with how I read that player. I am surprised by how few partnerships there are. Very interesting that I read Sloonei and not once did I think "yeah they could be partners".

With Epi I have done so with Speedchuck, Dyslexicon and Long Con. Can't see him being a teammate of Sloonei, you, Kyle, nutella, FZ or Marmot. Null on only Lorab, Nova, Dave.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:04 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:21 pm You described my post as "unhelpful" earlier. why?
because it was unhelpful

all you did was sharpen the focus on something that was already being focused on

is that value added?
I still dislike every single word of this post. If I'm going to reduce my suspicion of Kyle down to a single post, I want it to be this one. It starts here.

I don't know why.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:01 am I do think though that Epignosis would sooner defend than bus his teammates in the vast majority of scenarios. He talks a lot about his lack of bussing history, and it bears out -- he doesn't do it much.

Without provocation/necessity would you expect him to ignore his partners in the thread?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:38 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:30 pm nutella voters, please tell me what you think of LoRab.
Lorab is someone I've wrongly accused more times than I can count. I think I've been right about her once. I have no opinion on her today. Nothing stands out.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:45 pm I generally read Lorab wrong and I am reading her town so take that fwiw.
On what basis?

Interesting. I don't recall my answer having received any follow up. Epi can you share why you asked me this question. I hadn't noticed that you had made the same claim less than an hour prior to me saying that.

Does Epignosis have a tendency one way or the other when it comes to ignoring/engaging with teammates in the thread casually? Notwithstanding when he makes a move to actually distance or bus?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:47 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:59 pm Neither Epig or Kyle are voting each other - which is peculiar kind of. I guess they will if things stay the same?

I'll either let my vote stay or switch ro LoRab cause idfk. And I need to sleep very soon.
I believe Kyle is a civilian.

I'm not voting for him for that reason. I believe the reciprocal is true.

False dilemmas are the mafia's playpen. And their playpen doesn't even have a fucking roof.

The only interaction between these two. I find their lack of interaction suspicious.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:32 am I’m considering the notion of an Epi/Kyle pairing.

He sounded civilian because his posts read like his Vocaroo recordings? When did Kyle even face significant pressure in Vocaroo? What is the comparison?

I don't see the pairing. I just got through reading all of Epignosis's interactions with Kyle literally right as I made that most recent post and had determined that they are impossible partners due to the fact that they are too overtly tied together. I would expect more care. I can't see Epi defending Kyle at the clip he was if he was his partner. Epi is more likely to have bussed him.

Says nothing about either's alignment but I can't see them as teammies.

Basically what I am doing right now is reading each ISO and just reading the way they communicate with each player (or don't). In some cases the way one person communicates make them look partner positive (speedchuck towards Sloonei) but the other players interactions look more natural (Sloonei towards Speedchuck).

The most compelling case for partners I have found so far is a potential speedchuck/Epignosis team. I have drawn a line through a lot of partnerships due to the interactions read. This is not a perfect art but I feel it's useful.

On a glance; speedchuck does not make sense as partners with JJJ, Kyle, nutella or wigly. Pings with Sloonei and Epi. Null with FZ, Dizzy, LC, Lorab, Nova, Marmot and Dave.

Sloonei does not make sense as partners with speedchuck, Epi, JJ, Kyle, FZ and Marmot. Is null with literally every other player.

Epi pings with speedchuck. Does not make sense with Sloonei, JJJ, Kyle or nutella... haven't read further yet.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:50 pm True story:

In the only other DFaraday Speed Game, I got lynched Day 1 for the first time ever, because I fell asleep at my desk and didn't save myself.

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:20 pm I'm not seeing baddie LA. I also feel like there was quite the bandwagon going on earlier against her, although it seems to have moved off.

I'm going to vote Epi for now. I'm not feeling great and may fall asleep on the keyboard, so want to be sure to not forget to vote. He's really the only one I'm noticing who is playing their baddie game.

FZ. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:59 pm I'm going to sleep.
Not sure I like Marmot's vote there, though I admit there are some pages I didn't read. The days are way too short for me
If I get lynched, lynch the people who voted for me and fell asleep.

They don't care about the roof.

Epi when you made your plea why did you pick these two players to make the plea to? They seem relatively random.

Group 1 - Give the most credence to these reads.

Speed
Sloonei
Epi
JJJ
Kylemii
nutella

Group 2 - Give some credence to these reads.

FZ
Dyslexicon
Long Con
Dr Wilgy
Marmot

Group 3 - Pay no mind sunshine.

Lorab
Novaselinenever
Dave

Update after day 1.

Wigly sure has a lot to say now that the lynch is over.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:16 am hey wait actually what the fuck

how many people moved their votes from Sloonei to Daisy in the last minute

Enough to make my plan to ambush vote someone invalid.

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