The Syndicate

Thanks for the invite to the dead chat. The only active dead chat ever and I don't get an invite lol.

Very well played Nova. I had my suspicions (tinfoil ones) but there was nothing solid to go on and that's because you played well.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:04 am I hate how you guys throw away your correct tone reads to make a logical case for whatever reason.

Can you tell me who I should vote for then? If it isn't you I'm in the woods a bit here.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:13 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:54 pm Alright SCAMPS.

Let's go through the actual motions here instead of the dumb ones. Let's start with GTH.

@Fayt @Dragomir @novaselinenever @nutella @Michelle

Be here in exactly 36 minutes.

3 am is not my fav hour. sorry

Forgiven

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:52 pm Tell me you would have made that case on drago even if you hadn't decided to civ clear me though bc I feel real bad about my dumb loose mouth having affected the game unfairly.

I probably would have got there but who the fuck knows lol

who cares

Aight [mention]Dragomir[/mention] don't drag it out. You can comeowt now.

Why not Nova? He buried rej with zero agenda or question.

Why not Michelle? The way she defended Rej looks way more like a bad read. Which also explains why she's still alive today. Gotta keep lynchable candidates around.

Why not Nutella? Well she's a vig isn't she lol.

Anywho I'm done now. If Dragomir is town, well we reassess. He's the best lynch today objectively imo.

Tl;dr Why Dragomir? Has MO to kill LC. Had three confirmed civs try to lynch him yesterday (probs four). Has bad looks on the day 1 rej lynch. Has bad looks with speedchuck.

Tl;dr why not Fayt? LC town read her. She didn't look like she had any real agenda on the Rej lynch and ended up voting there cleanly. Outside of my really dumb callout on day 1 she only has night action shit going against her tbh. She profiles as the person being brought forward day after day as the mislynch candidate. This game's Keldeo if you will.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:47 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:09 pm Low-key wanna scum read Jay for being tryhard just cause it'd be funny.

That's a turnaround.

Meh comment.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:48 pm I read further and whoa Drago is SDing and it's only D0

Little poke.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:53 pm Oh wait it's D1.

Drago's obstinate refusal to explain his reads is baffling. For those who've seen normal scum drago, is he always really, really obvscum or is he just lolcatting right now?

linki: self-destructing and oh hey there's a post

Hard poke, but with a get out clause. Distance-like. "This guy is scummy but can he be obvscum, is he just lolcatting"? Is what you do.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:55 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:52 pm So here is why Jay is bad. First, these quick and fast reads he's throwing with cat and dog reads feel like an attempt to generate early town cred by coming in hot and strong with all that. The downside with this is that there's no expansion afterward from all that. There's a little reason given to the good Nutella read by I'm not really focused on that one. What I am focused on are the scum reads. They're thrown in there and that's about it. The Mac wolf read came and gone just like that, making it feel like there wasn't any actual thought process into it in the first place and the Turnip vote doesn't even look real. It just got placed in there.

Now my second reason against Jay is with how he's tackling me. He puts me rock bottom in his rainbow with a bright red like I'm strong read but my conversation with him didn't reflect that for me. It feels like he's still trying to decide on how to read me. That doesn't match up with my rainbow placement. The entire feel that I'm getting about him is that he's not wanting to drive. He wants to sit in the back and let someone else drive while he takes a few jabs here and there. Does that make sense?

I like the idea here. I disagree, but I like it.

That's a turnaround.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:59 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:58 pm I really don't understand how my trolling was scummy. I just don't. I don't think I ever will.

Scumminess is in the eye of the beholder.

More meh.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:39 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:08 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:54 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:48 pm I like this. People scum reading me. More of what I'm used to.

...??????

What's so confusing?

Only game I've seen you in you were a ubiquitous townread. Do you usually get scumread? Where? (perdon if this was already asked)

Pretty pointless question. Softball here. If this is scum speedchuck trying to bury a townie, why is he not doing a good job?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:20 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:07 am speedchuck, why Rej?

Because not Dragomir. Dragomir's current play feels scummy, but doesn't make much sense as scumplay on further reflection.

I buy Dragomir's response to pressure better than Rej's. Rej has been on edge since the first time he was prodded.

Rej wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:07 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:35 am @Rej what is your absolute favorite thing ever about sprityo in this here game thread?

Gimme a break I cant ISO posts on mobile, can I?

Felt like a disproportionate reaction, hardly worth noting at the time. But it's escalated to the point that he has a vote on you, and that read doesn't seem genuine. He's banking all of his analysis on the one Persona game, which is fallacious as heck. "JJJ isn't doing things exactly like he did in P5" is not a case, it's a justification.

Because he doesn't want to lynch Dragomir. Why would he not continue to push a civilian over his teammate here? He has a perfectly fine agenda to do so as a scum. What is the scum motivation of taking the pressure off a civilian that's being lined up in order to put pressure on a teammate?

Not damning, but very not good.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:56 pm Can drago and Rej both be bad?

Heh. Heh. Heh. Speedchuck you funny motherfucker.

The circumstantial evidence against Dragomir is everywhere you look tbh. Long Con had a town read on Fayt and a scum read on Dragomir. Dead.

Yesterday's wagon formation was;

Dom: Nut, Nova, Michelle, Drago
Drago: LC, Mac, Fayt, Dom

That's literally three confirmed civs on the Drago wagon. That's fucking pure as.

Oh in case it wasn't said yet, Rej and Dragomir drove the LC wagon. Everyone else jumped aboard but it was them that drove it.

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention] [mention]Fayt[/mention] [mention]Michelle[/mention] let's end this man's entire career

Michelle - Michelle made zero effort to ever distance from Rej. Surely she makes at least some effort day 1 to distance from him when he's taking as much flak as he was if she is his partner. It seems more likely she was just utterly fooled by him. Her behaviour profiles more as a townie with a bad read.

Fayt - On the flipside Fayt maintained a scum read on Rej the entire time, never really entertaining a town read on him, never attempting to try to plan for jumping to LC. While this could just be a scum distance that got stuck in the sense that they couldn't justify town reading him, I tend to think it's more just an accurate read.

Dragomir - Both of the aforementioned's treatment of Rej was straight and consistent. When you compare it with how Dragomir treated Rej, it's vastly different.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:20 pm Agreed with concern about Rej take. Potential TMI on Dragomir.

Why? What about it strikes as TMI?

This is strangely defensive given the inverse correlation here is that Dragomir is town via Rej being mafia. If I try to put myself in Dragomir's situation I don't get so antagonistic towards people exhibiting this read. Especially since we now know that everyone pushing that train of thought was town and correct to do so.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:20 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:18 pm Drago is town

Rej is cat. "I don't understand the case" is scumtell sometimes

Super weak reason against one. "I don't understand the case" is not at all alignment indicative and can be said by anyone regardless of alignment. Like how could you use that as a scum tell? I don't get it.

I don't believe he doesn't get it tbh. I think everyone gets it?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:28 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:06 am @Rej, why is Dragomir a civilian?

@Dragomir, why is Rej a civilian?

I don't know how to articulate it my thought on him.

Despite defending Rej he cannot articulate it, or is afraid to fake a read on a drowning teammate.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:53 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:49 am Does a mafia Rej on the chopping block decide that his best bet on Day 1 is to defend Dragomir and go after a very unlikely lynch of me?

It can make a little sense if they're both mafia, but even that seems dubious. Most teams probably just bus here.

Hmm, brings up a question for me. To those that suspect, do you suspect Rej as well? Same for vice versa.

This is exactly how teammates defend teammates. Invent hypotheticals, encourage people to think about logical fallacies in the hopes that it moves the dialogue elsewhere. Consider that this is in reply to townie Jay defending scum Rej, this is opportunistic from Dragomir, building on top of a townie defending his buddy (and by proxy himself).

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:26 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:19 pm Hmm, would scum Nutella stop pushing me or continue pressing the very likely lynch? I'm inclined to believe the latter. So right now, Nutella is in good looks.

Rej is the leading wagon, not you.

Oh right. Gonna have to rethink this then. @Nutella do you suspect Rej?

More refusal to articulate thought, given that Nutella in fact ended up on LC I think this reads like him trying to give a loud speaker to another townie he knows will put prorej content into the thread by proxy of it being anti LC).

It's also worth noting this.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:57 pm Long Con and Epi are Rej's buddies. I'm basing this off of reads. I'll explain in a sec.

I think while circumstantial it's a bit rich that Dragomir tied two strong civilians to his flip.

Nova - I mean, going on day 1. Nova just antagonised and straight fucked Rej's shit up. There was nothing suspect about how did it at all. Just called him bad from the jump and stuck with it. I've got nothing against Nova there.

So in short. Fuck you [VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine lol.

So we now know that the day 1 poll was town vs. scum. We also know that Speedchuck for some whack ass reason voted for Rej over Long Con. I can only assume it was because he was not around EOD otherwise wouldn't have let Rej go like that because it's objectively a bad play. Like lolcatting a vote swap to LC at EOD is always a better play than letting a teammate die on day 1. Literally always, and Speedchuck is experienced enough to know that.

I presume that there was at least some effort from Rej's partner to question Rej's lynch on day 1 in the hopes that Speedchuck would return and force the lynch on LC. So I would imagine that Rej's partner was someone who questions his wagon but ultimately voted there for the distance cred.

Fayt, and Nova apply.

It is possible that they also just left their vote on LC in the hopes Speedchuck would come back and hammer.

I'll have a quick look at the order of the votes.

If it's Drago vs. Fayt we need to find a really strong reason to civ clear Michelle and Nova. Do you have either of those? I do not, I'll search for them.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:27 pm I don't think I'm breaking any rules. If I have then I sincerely apologize to ddl and accept a modkill. My cases are based on public information.

It doesn't matter anyway I'm not gonna make a big deal out of it lol. Let's move on and solve the game. It's not often you get two civ cleared people at L-6.

I still find it strange that Michelle used gender pronouns to describe someone of an unknown, but if she is ESL that might explain it. Particularly if she is French, Spanish, Italian or another speaker of a language that has different use of gender in linguistics.

I dunno, we move on I guess until the host makes a ruling with Nutella and Mac civ cleared. Sorry last Mafia.

So then I suppose we entertain Drago vs. Fayt then. If it is that simple we should just lynch one and then the other and endgame this.

I get why you are doing it given I am backing you into a corner in which you would need to entertain something you know to be wrong in order to not, but it still is outright breaking the rules.

I don't need to think about it. I know that you are soft claiming vig. "Reading your posts" didn't accomplish that, your refusal to entertain what I am saying did. I don't like that you are doing it so I am kind of confused and flailing about it. You should be mod-killed for it imo.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:19 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:17 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:16 pm I am pretty sure it was clearly stated at one point that the plan was just to kill whichever of the two wasn't lynched.

Only by you.

Okay. So?

The vigilante themselves never agreed to the plan unless the vigilante is you.

I mean obviously not everybody made some clear overt statement that they understood the plan. That would be silly. But it was there.

I do not think that it is reasonable to assume that the vigilante, or the mafia, or anyone would have known of, and in addition to that, automatically agreed with, a plan to shoot Fayt.

Firstly, I didn't know if it.

Secondly, what if Fayt is the vig?

Thirdly, what if the vig thought Fayt was a civ?

The point is this entire line of thinking Fayt is suspicious because they are alive is irrational. Fayt is alive specifically BECAUSE she is suspicious imo.

Nutella, I just checked. You referred to them as "the vig" all game. Michelle referred to them as he. It's a total slip.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:17 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:16 pm I am pretty sure it was clearly stated at one point that the plan was just to kill whichever of the two wasn't lynched.

Only by you.

Okay. So?

The vigilante themselves never agreed to the plan unless the vigilante is you.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:17 pm No, that's not a slip. Come on.

HOW THE FUCK IS IT NOT?

Michelle literally used "he" to refer to the vig TWICE. The Mafia have a rolecop. The Mafia probably rolecopped Dragomir hence how they were able to be so accurate with the roleblock.

Michelle is female. Since when do females refer to gender neutral things as he?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:16 pm I am pretty sure it was clearly stated at one point that the plan was just to kill whichever of the two wasn't lynched.

Only by you.

Oi, Michelle scum slipped. Read my post.

I think Dragomir is the vig and Michelle knows it and Michelle roleblocked Dragomir in order to keep both of them around tbh.

I honestly cannot see where there was a plan to vig Fayt specifically documented. I can see where the plan was to lynch Fayt and vig Jay, but given Jay got lynched the only existence of a "lynch Fayt" plan is in the undertone of the aforementioned plan. Speaking as though there was a clear and decided plan for the vig to vig Fayt is bad faith imo.

And this is the only post anywhere near the EOD that references any kind of vig directive.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:43 pm If the lynch is JJJ and he flips villager the vig shoudl hit the one who he feels best to flip mafia, he already did a very good job.

As an aside it's interesting that Michelle is referring to the vig as a "he" is it not? Given that Nutella and Fayt are both females are were in the game, is this not revealing that Michelle actually knows who the vig is *cough* because rolecop *cough*?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:04 pm And yeah lynching fayt may be the logical choice. I just feel like Drago could have done that but maybe I'm overthinking it and falling for fayt's innocence mask.

Luckily you don't have to decide. Present your course notes and let's decide as a group.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:02 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:59 pm Why would the cat roleblock a vig that was going to kill Fayt, if Fayt is not a cat?

I know I've not been paying super close attention but we've lynched three people since this revelation and none have been Fayt. So surely I am missing some reason as to why?

Man I've been over this several times already. To buy himself another day, keep a likely mislynch target around.

So what, I already said I haven't paid any attention to this, give your mod cleared townie the low-down please lol.

Show me where Drago was "overt in orchestrating the vig plan bc he knew he could prevent it and keep fayt around" please.

Then show me how that makes more sense than "Fayt roleblocked a vigilante that was going to shoot her".

Why would the cat roleblock a vig that was going to kill Fayt, if Fayt is not a cat?

I know I've not been paying super close attention but we've lynched three people since this revelation and none have been Fayt. So surely I am missing some reason as to why?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:25 pm I can't explain the kill choices, but the vig isn't much of a threat to them if they have a perpetual repeatable roleblock.

But the living cat correctly guessed who the vig was, on night 2?

I personally have no idea who the vig is, do you have suspicions? Did you at the time? I am asking you to try to ascertain whether the vigilante would have been easily guessed or whether it was total luck that they got it right, in order to determine the likelihood that it is as simple as it appears, and not that the vigilante just digressed from the plan and rather targeted someone that came under doctor protection or some other possibility.

I see what you mean. That would require the cat who is the roleblocker to correctly identify who the vigilante is on that night and to have not killed them since right?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:15 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:09 pm See the thing is I think it's either Fayt or Drago who prevented Fayt from being killed. Do you see michelle doing that?

I missed this whole thing. Eli5.

The consensus plan was for the vig to kill fayt after Jay's flip (or to vig whichever if them wasn't lynched if the game didn't end). There was no vig kill. The cat has a block.

Who is/was the vig?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:09 pm See the thing is I think it's either Fayt or Drago who prevented Fayt from being killed. Do you see michelle doing that?

I missed this whole thing. Eli5.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:02 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:50 pm I think Jay is probably screaming at me from across the rainbow bridge. I can't ignore the data.

[VOTE: fayt] aubergine

Either way, you are clearly an incredibly skilled player and I'm glad to have you on the site.

Why would Fayt produce an unprovoked fake town read on you in this scenario while a mod cleared civ is shading you if she was the last Mafia?

Also what data?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:59 pm Mac you have gone silent.

I am literally at work lol. I dragged some employees into a meeting to give them a brief about an amazing thing we're doing.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:50 pm I think Jay is probably screaming at me from across the rainbow bridge. I can't ignore the data.

[VOTE: fayt] aubergine

Either way, you are clearly an incredibly skilled player and I'm glad to have you on the site.

Why would Fayt produce an unprovoked fake town read on you in this scenario while a mod cleared civ is shading you if she was the last Mafia?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:38 pm Thought we were doing gth?

Yeah sorry bout that I got dragged into a meeting. How bout now?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:29 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:27 pm I've just literally agreed with almost everything you've said this game. That's just how it goes sometimes man. Great minds and all.

Except for the parts where I suspected you, which you mostly just didn't address. Which is not in your town meta. Your town meta is usually to exhibit some frustration when people are misreading you, not remain calm and pragmatic, which is literally your scum meta lol.

I tend to ignore a small amount of suspicion. It's if it starts to look like I might actually be in the running that I get really frustrated. I'm happy to have an nk-survivability-optimized amount of scrutiny.


But really take another look at the posts about speed and rej you quoted. Would I ever treat teammates like that lol. No. Those are my honest progressions.

Ack you can't really use this as a defense Nut lol. I have too much respect for you to think this type of arbitrary thing is outside of your scum range. I need to distinguish you based on what win con you are playing towards overall.

Nutella wanna do a trustfall?

Imo it's nutella vs. Michelle.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:27 pm I've just literally agreed with almost everything you've said this game. That's just how it goes sometimes man. Great minds and all.

Except for the parts where I suspected you, which you mostly just didn't address. Which is not in your town meta. Your town meta is usually to exhibit some frustration when people are misreading you, not remain calm and pragmatic, which is literally your scum meta lol.

So if that's the case is anyone aside from me not on the table?

Strong words to recant on. ALWAYS town you said.

I cannot recall a person agreeing with my reads any more than you have in this game. It's actually insane. This is just a smattering.

It's almost like you've taken an intentional position to just not enter into conflict with me? Have you?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:27 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:21 pm

Fayt wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:34 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:36 pm I thought Fayt was part of the recent MU wave but they're not lol

Sup Starlight

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:30 pm We already have something of substance to talk about, people. If you haven't already piped in, I want to know what y'all think of Dragomir or anything related to the conversation surrounding Dragomir.

So for the dragomir thing, I might be late on this because I haven't had a chance to reply until now. There are things I'm unsure of and this is off of first impressions but I do lean scum on him. As reasons stated above but also because of Dragomir not wanting to do first impressions but then jump onto another target (i.e. LC) so he must think of something about LC that strikes him as odd or did he just drop the LC name to get people off of his back.

Secondly, I don't think Dragomir and JJJ are bussing each other. If they are then I'm definitely fooled. If Dragomir turns out to be scum, I find Jay as town and vice versa. However, there is a chance they could both be town but I don't think both would be scum.

Fake. Super fake. Fayt is bad.

"I do lean scum on him". She is emphasising "I do" as opposed to just "I lean". She is responding someone who does not. There is only one person who has actively said that they do not and that is Rej. This is consequentially distancing of Rej.

The second paragraph spews both Jay and Drago as town.

Oh baby this is that good shit. My poor boofer mouth is gonna need a glass of milk after that, hooo-wee.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:26 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:34 pm I don't think Epi's case on Jay holds much water at all. Nothing that was pointed out is outside of Jay's town play. It's still a mild town tick for Epi though. I still think Jay is town.

my thoughts as well

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:29 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:36 pm Of all the people who were just participatory in that flurry Nova's contributions were the most skewiff. I don't understand what he was trying to do at all.

also agree here, I was happy with nova's contributions d1 but today so far he's done nothing, just made scattered comments all over the place and idk what his actual thoughts are.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:38 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:50 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:47 pm Facts:

JJJ gave Rej a bunch of shit. Did not vote there.
JJJ voted LC, whom he called good that same Day.

What else am I supposed to do with this?

So you are suspicious of Jay because he is wrong?

Firstly, what if LC is also a cat?

But I'll unpack this for a second. In this scenario you propose Jay to be Rej's teammate and unwilling to bus him. Would it not stand to reason that if he was unwilling to bus him that he would be willing to defend him? Did he defend him? If you can show me evidence of Jay trying to manipulate others into rescinding their read on Rej I'll listen more.

Personally I think the chances are rather high that we had two cat wagons up on day 1.

I dig this, I'm also still sort of on the LC/rej both cats train. So what do you think is the likelihood of Jay being their teammate in this scenario vs a civilian?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:57 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:24 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:20 pm Agreed with concern about Rej take. Potential TMI on Dragomir.

Why? What about it strikes as TMI?

I'll answer for him. Firstly, you have been actually pretty scummy. So for Rej to defend you is TMI. Rej has no reason to feel like you have been civvy enough to question the people casing him.

Rej is taking the opportunity to gain your trust by dismissing the case as incredulous, which is invariably how you would feel as a civ. In the event of a civilian flip of you he is distanced from the case making of a bad lynch, which is where people first look for wolves (even though it's usually never that simple).

Now, onto Fayt, who we have common ground on.

This post smells like a litter box. Paints quite a big picture of events. "Actually pretty scummy"? Mac is purring like a devil

Just looking at TH's posts and this one stands out. If I wasn't me I'd be pretty convinced that I killed him for this.

But given I am in fact a dog ... perhaps this kill was made in the hopes of somebody breadcrumbing that.

Turnip Head had a pretty strong town read on Dragomir. I am want to think that a wolf team that has Dragomir in it that just lost a member would not kill someone who had an incorrect scum read on me and was town reading Dragomir.

I also think that TH wasn't proving to be much of a threat. I don't see how a scum team that has players unfamiliar with him would choose him as a kill.

It just seems like a pure POE shot given how good TH looked in light of the Rej flip.

I kinda found it strange how Jay decided to leak that he had an interaction analysis with Rej/TH. Almost seems like Jay was trying to make us think he didn't know TH was gonna get the bullet. @JaggedJimmyJay why did you post the TH/Rej interaction analysis?

this is a good point tbh

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:52 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:20 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:20 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:06 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:05 pm bleh [VOTE: Rej] aubergine

But Michelle says Rej is Civ.

I am going to veto a Long Con lynch.

This post here is not Rej's teammate.

What are you talking about, that is literally him using a third party to try to hard defend Rej? That's like the most teammate indicative shit ever lol.

Lol yeah I'm with mac on this one. Don't see how you could use that to clear LC in the slightest.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:02 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:54 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:54 am Just btw I 100% believe Jay would absolutely kill TH if he thought it was the right move, "site health" be damned. I have wolfed with Jay and cannot in a million years imagine him saying "let's not kill TH because he's only just came back" if TH was empirically the best kill to be made. He'd be like "exterminate the prick and even better because I can say that I'd never do it and dumb shits would believe me muahahaha". Jay is absolutely cold and pragmatic as scum and him even trying that on as defence is scummy as shit.

@nutella you have scummed with Jay, what do you think?

100% agree as you may have surmised from another post I just made lol

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:05 pm Worthy of thought.

Rej lynched by a single vote on day 1.

Flipped wolf on his wagon.

Why did Speedchuck not just vote for LC?

Fair.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:43 pm I'm remembering how much I agreed with mac's early accusations of fayt, and thinking I tone cleared her too easily later. Plus Jay's points about her defending him, and the weird sprityo vote... yeah ok. [VOTE: fayt] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:36 pm Drago is always town here. Michelle is ALWAYS town here. Mac, Epi, or Nova could theoretically be pulling the wool over my eyes but I've mindmelded with them too many times to not want to think about that unless I have no other choice. It's within LC, Fayt, Jay, and Dom. Fayt is the only overlap I have with Jay's list so that's the most logical option I suppose, but my gut is weakest there and if Jay is scum then, well.

Do you still feel this way towards Drago and Michelle because since they're both alive it now reads like TMI.