The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:23 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:37 am the only unconfirmed person is nijuu and then speed I'd say. I feel great about everyone else.
. . . do you know what 'confirmed' means?

yes, confirmed town by me. CONFIRMED.

confirm
kənˈfəːm/Submit
verb
past tense: confirmed; past participle: confirmed
reinforce someone in (an opinion or feeling).

You guys are so rude to people whose first language isn't English.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:21 am I do NOT believe that there is an active player deliberately not killing as some crazy strategy to win the game by lynch. My main reason for not believing this is that we JUST came out of Chicka-Chicka-1-2-3 Mafia, which dragged on FOREVER. Ain't no one interested in implementing a slow-play strategy that will extend this game any more. Seriously, that had better not be happening. Not only is it a drag, but it a) makes the dead players have to wait longer with no game to play, and b) hurts the energy of The Syndicate as a whole. I already feel like this site has slowed down so much - that extended downtime hit us hard, and we're nowhere close to fully recovered despite some awesome immigration from HCRealms.

I also find it difficult to believe that role powers keep getting in the way. If we're really that "lucky", then I imagine that nijuu is the best choice today, because a replacement player might try to target some invincible role that someone tried earlier, a targeting choice that a whole-game-player would have known to avoid.

But still, inactivity. Gotta be. I should be dead. People have been puking my Civvieness all over the thread so much that I've written and re-written my Last Will and Testament fifteen times. And if they knew my role, which some do, then they'd know I'm as vulnerable as a newborn lamb.

All signs point to nijuu. We'll deal with the active crapster tomorrow if it doesn't pan out. Voting nijuu.

also this.

also even if we forget about inactivity and the missing night kills, and don't factor those in, something still doesn't add up about JJJ/WILGY/ELOH's interactions about nijuu.

also come on, I want this game over so I can study indefinitely after work and not have an excuse to procrastinate.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:31 pm It just took reading that day, as I recall. I think we all spelled it out real good.

exactly.

the only unconfirmed person is nijuu and then speed I'd say. I feel great about everyone else.

also there's no fucking way I wouldn't have killed you all by now tbh. That's not even wifom, that's stone dead cold hard facts.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:26 am
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:56 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:48 am
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:27 am I don't know why nobody died last night, but chances are slim that they were going for an odd number of players come end game because..they already had it. There have been so many missed night kills in this game that I don't think we can put it up to role usage anymore. I don't think there are even enough relevant roles to account for them.

I'm not bad. You can even sort me if you read my posts. I don't have it in me to come up with a convoluted scum strategy that involves intentionally withholding kills right now. That's pure WIFOM, aye.

I think nijuu is the way to go. I think we've had a low activity scum team from the start. Glorf/INH never showed up. Eloh said she was insanely busy. I recall Wilgy mentioning being out of touch with the game, and kills only started when 3J replaced MP.
What about Sprityo?
sprityo was in this game?
He still is.

hey ddl, I'm pretty much confirmed townie so take your nose and go sniffing somewhere else.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:17 am Alright, we're missing NK's for Nights 1, 2, 5, 8 and 9.

Assume Aconcagua got targeted once with a night kill and by some miracle Kilimanjaro used their role successfully all three teams. We're still one night kill unexplained. Chimborazo must have stolen a night kill protection or the mafia targeted a now-protected Matterhorn. Some combination of these things could account for the lack of night kills.

But I don't think so. I cannot bring myself to think that we we've been this lucky with role usage in this game.

why do you say "now-protected" and what do you mean by "now"?

also, chimborazo can only steal from mountains taller than it.

[mention]Marmot[/mention], does the Wreckin role for killing get passed on to another scum team member when it dies?

already been debunked.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:52 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:07 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:43 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:53 pm
YET ANOTHER IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

insertnamehere has replaced Glorfindel.
INH replaced in with time to submit a kill for Night 1.

Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:53 pm

insertnamehere posted elsewhere at 11:36pm EST this same evening.
And dunya said that she thinks there is more of a team kill rather than a specific role that can send in the kill because if it were a specific role then marmot would have replaced her there.

So if only the killer mafia role is allowed to send in a kill, then I think it has to velong toneither INH or dunya. Most likely INH since he replaced in first. @Marmot can the team send in the kill as a group pm? (Hey... doesn't hurt to ask, right?)
Sure!

but since there's no double targeting we can't say 2 no deaths was because the last scum targeted Matterhorn 2 nights in a row. Is it possible Olympus is also immune to NKs. I mean, I know a lot of 3P roles that have that distinction.

That was updated a couple days ago.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:39 pm Jay's mentions of nijuuINHglor:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:45 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:45 pm INSERTNAMEHERE/GLORFINDEL
SPACEDAISY
DOM
bad
good
bad
Jay's first mention of nijuuINHglor. In his fake GTH reads, he lists them as "Bad"

It is literally the only mention in his ISO of nijuuINHglor.

He talked plenty about Dom and Mesk and even sig (the last I will probably make a similar post for after this one). But that's all he spoke of INH?

DrWilgy's mentions of nijuuINHglor:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:32 am Thanks for this Speedchuck.

Something that caught my eye was the "INH/BLP - uuuuuuh good." To your knowledge, did Cbob ever attempt or push an INH lynch?
"Mount Elbrus - Twice in the game, Elbrus may peek at another player’s alignment, though he will only learn the truth on one of these occasions."

It is possible that Elbrus checked INH but responded with "uuuuuuh" because he didn't know if he could trust his double edged sword result.

Linki - Interesting, I can toss that theory a bone. How was Cbob's interactions with Sloonei before and after the JJJ lynch?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:43 am It's true that it could be due to no posts, but this is contrast to his earlier "No reads on Dom, Wilgy, INH, sprit."

Did anything really warrant a change there? Out of us four why did only INH get the "uhhhhhh?" (I promise I'm not jealous or anything... It's not like I wanted Cbob's uhhhhh.)

Re Sloonei, I can ship it and it makes rational sense, but Sloonei is the person I have felt the worst about since JoH died. Guess I gotta take another step back.
Wilgy trying to build doubt in our minds on cBob's use of "uhhhh" in front of INH. He elaborated on it and makes a joke on "how he's not jealous", but he is undoubtedly trying to push that as a good thing from cBob's list of reads, like he checked INH and there was a possibility he was good.

Feels very forced to me.

He does go on to pair Nijuu with sig after she replaces in and suddenly he has a harder time validating nijuuINHglor as a civ.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:20 pm Did more thinking about Sloonei's reason for civ questions. I don't have the time to list em out or explain right now, but the ones I had the hardest time validating as civs were (and in this order) Niju-sig, Dunya, Long Con, Quin. With everyone else, I can see them in a civ light easier.
His last post was "why aren't you lynching: dunya, sig, LC or Quin"

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:04 am Wtf is going on
You tell us
I just got here dude. Why aren't we lynching Dunya, Sig, Quin or LC?
no mention of nijuuINHglor, which is weird since he paired them together before.

Eloh's mentions of nijuuINHglor:

Eloh's fist mention of INH was listing him directly under DrWilgy on her rainbow.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:47 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:00 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:57 pm I was amazed at how many called me scum in their gth reads. Does this reflect my contributions thus far or mostly what you were feeling from sprityo? Genuinely curious.
I fell asleep after your first handful of posts (you must have been boring )and just woke up to the GTH reads. So my read was about 90% sprit and 10% dunya, without having read most of your contributions.
Fair enough. I don't know you well, but I feel your answer here is genuine.

I kind of did my own GTH as I was reading through the thread. Of the low posters, I think Dom and wilgy may be good although there was one post of wilgy's that seemed very scum, but then he better explained himself and that sounded pretty genuine. But then again maybe it was a slip and he noticed how scum he sounded and then just tried to make up for it well. I think INH and mesk could be bad. Oh and sig is quiet too but I'm unsure about him. I could be missing some. Of the outspoken players, i think jjj, cbob, and dunya are good. I think thats all. The others are all in between participants imo, not over chatty and not too quiet. Maybe I'll try doing a list of my gth tomorrow qhere I can include everyone. I'm very sleepy.
She mentions INH here again and pairs him with mesk, as "could be bad". She didn't shy away from calling Wilgy bad. She called Jay good. I don't feel like she had to mention all three of her scum mates in this post, so this could be a -1 for why nijuuINHglor are scum. I would say her "Oh and sig is quiet too..." is more suspicious in this context, assuming she decided to mention all 3 teammates.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:07 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:43 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:53 pm
YET ANOTHER IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

insertnamehere has replaced Glorfindel.
INH replaced in with time to submit a kill for Night 1.

Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:53 pm

insertnamehere posted elsewhere at 11:36pm EST this same evening.
And dunya said that she thinks there is more of a team kill rather than a specific role that can send in the kill because if it were a specific role then marmot would have replaced her there.

So if only the killer mafia role is allowed to send in a kill, then I think it has to velong toneither INH or dunya. Most likely INH since he replaced in first. @Marmot can the team send in the kill as a group pm? (Hey... doesn't hurt to ask, right?)
here she throws nijuuINHglor under the bus. But this was all to be taken with a grain of salt, because she's saying IF THE TEAM CANT SEND THE KILL as group, then it has to be either INH or dunya. she goes on to (lol) asking Marmot. Of course she knew the answer to this already, though. So what does her post offer us contextually?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:28 pm Dunya...before I go to bed... I don't put as much time into mafia as you do. We cannot all do that. I am responsible for three (possibly 4 if you count epi) lives other than my own. For their education, discipline, and well being. I have not made any in depth cases for anyone. I rarely do. But, I share my opinion often of what's going down in the thread and I participate as much as possible, and I vote! I'm here to help as much as I can. You can't punish me for being mediocre. I'm much better for the civs than INH, sig, and other non-participants.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:00 am I think our problem is we're bouncing around too much. What happened to our suspicons of say...sig, INH, kyle? I thunk we suspect people and then move on to someone else without finding out if our suspicons are correct. And.... I think (if we have vocal baddies) they're who must have a hand in steering us away. I still think LC could most definitely be bad. Anyway...not fully caught up, but I've had my one cup of coffee,so I must get off my ass and do some more work.
she keeps mentioning INH's name. She's better for civs than INH (this is when I was harping her about her inconsistencies and possible scumtells). It's more than likely she'll throw us a bone to catch and latch onto. INH as their inactive voter and sutter buttes which means they didn't even benefit from his role. Definitely highly suspicious of INH now.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:32 pm Epi, whi INH? You seem to place votes on inactives early in the day and then come around EoD to place a real vote on a player you find suspicious. Am I correct in this?
questions Epi on his INH vote. Feels like she's feeling him out how serious he is at keeping it there or moving it. If it's going to be a full blown case, I bet she wanted some of the credit by bussing INH.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:41 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:49 am I mean.... it's possible one of the role secrets is a protect or a roleblock but.... 2/5 is a really bad murder success record.
This is true. Is there is a protect or roleblock secret, then that person must have a leprechaun in his butt. And if so...keep up the good work.

If not, then I think JJJ might have been the only really active baddie and that's why he played so shitty (no offense J). Anyone know of a game where JJJ was a lonesome baddie and know how he played in it? Let's see...some quiet/quieter players include Sig, INH, Wilgy, even Epi and nutella have been quieter than usual imo and could have missed deadlines. Think about how the end of phases have been pretty all over the place as well. It could have caused missing the deadline. I don't know. Lots to think about. Lots more to read too.
Tries to harpoon on this "baddies must all be inactive cos no kills" and lists some names. Includes INH, cos she has to. But then makes a soft defence of him to nutella, whom was a suspect on her list too:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:45 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:59 am Anyone got any good reasons to choose either sig or inh over the other?
Sig has posts and INH doesn't is the only reason I can think of. I would think if someone opened their role PM and saw it was scum, they would at least ty a little bit to help out his/her team rather than just being a total no-show. I think ita more likely that a civ is the no-show.
ooops, I closed Eloh's ISO.

Anyway, I really want to lynch nijuu before sig now.

Any takers?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:56 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:48 am
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:27 am I don't know why nobody died last night, but chances are slim that they were going for an odd number of players come end game because..they already had it. There have been so many missed night kills in this game that I don't think we can put it up to role usage anymore. I don't think there are even enough relevant roles to account for them.

I'm not bad. You can even sort me if you read my posts. I don't have it in me to come up with a convoluted scum strategy that involves intentionally withholding kills right now. That's pure WIFOM, aye.

I think nijuu is the way to go. I think we've had a low activity scum team from the start. Glorf/INH never showed up. Eloh said she was insanely busy. I recall Wilgy mentioning being out of touch with the game, and kills only started when 3J replaced MP.
What about Sprityo?
sprityo was in this game?

I replaced him.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:27 am I think nijuu is the way to go. I think we've had a low activity scum team from the start. Glorf/INH never showed up. Eloh said she was insanely busy. I recall Wilgy mentioning being out of touch with the game, and kills only started when 3J replaced MP.

3J replaced MP Night 1, so that theory doesn't hold true. Eloh was busy, but she was around every day.

I'm going with nijuu for reasons stated before (I did believe strongly it was her out of sig/nijuu)

so gou means hashtag?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:52 pm

The truth comes out....

so she's little, and therefore a little mountain. checks out.

This is gold. Pure gold.

[mention]nijuukyugou[/mention] : who do you think is bad?

Who do you think is bad, then?

also, you should try to place roles on remaining players. it's not as hard as you think if you pay attention. Just don't spectate about it in the thread, but for your theorizing and info, it narrows down that scum list for you.

anyway, if it's not nijuu, I have to do more new ISOs. So I fucking hope it's nijuu.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:58 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:41 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:24 pm nijuu... or anyone.
right now I wanna live with the theory nijuu is the last scum cos I don't suspect anyone else except chuck and he's almost a self-acclaimed 3p so.....

it would go back to nutella if it's not nijuu.
I'd lynch Quin, LC, Speed or you before Nutella.

cool story bro, but idc

also, you'd lynch speed but you won't lynch LC cos speed knows something....makes sense.

And what about Kyle?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:23 pm I deleted two posts from an incorrect account.

For a moment I thought you were resurrected and got happy.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:24 pm nijuu... or anyone.

right now I wanna live with the theory nijuu is the last scum cos I don't suspect anyone else except chuck and he's almost a self-acclaimed 3p so.....

it would go back to nutella if it's not nijuu.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:28 am I believe Matterhorn must have died.

Or it was added after Matterhorn satisfied their condition.

Would explain last night's no kill. It's possible nijuu targeted Matterhorn.

That's exactly what I want you to do.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:09 pm
you wrote:but kyle, you idiot, isn't sig more likely to be mafia, or he at least has a similarly probable chance?
maybe. but I get the feeling from nijuukyugou's posts that she is trying to post the right things to look like how a civvie would look trying to move forward and survive half heartedly

you, again wrote:but kyle! such behaviors are also just regular behavior for how a civvie would act in this sort of situation, it can't be taken as being purely alignment indicative, fuck you kyle, thanks for wasting my valuable time
wow that's actually a pretty good point, thanks for bringing it up, i suppose she is also acting in the way she would if she were authentically disoriented by being flung into this situation like she was, thank you strawman that I made up

still you wrote:so then what makes you think that nijuukyugou's the last wolf?
just a hunch

Why didn't you vote for her then? I've been begging for it. Speed and Long would have been up for a nijuu lynch too.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:15 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:14 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:10 pm yeah lets maybe lynch speedchuck
don't be crazy. he's the self-acclaimed (kind of) 3p. why the hell are we doing what he wants us to do?

Also, he's clearly got that you/me mentality in his posts, and is not helping town by narrowing it down for lonely scummer a "100%" townie list of "confirmed roles".

get outta here.
ico Pay de Rizaba Oay

Pico de Orizaba can only lynch someone who's voted for him. So he can lynch you with him.

the only way I'm lynching him is after sig/nijuu flip town. Then he's been lying about being the 3P and either the 3P is one of sig/niju, or already been night killed by scum. and then I never play mafia with him again. -_-

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:10 pm yeah lets maybe lynch speedchuck

don't be crazy. he's the self-acclaimed (kind of) 3p. why the hell are we doing what he wants us to do?

Also, he's clearly got that you/me mentality in his posts, and is not helping town by narrowing it down for lonely scummer a "100%" townie list of "confirmed roles".

get outta here.

if it's not sig, it's nijuu. If it's not nijuu, it's speedchuck.

everyone else is 100% town.

whats a towncore

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:45 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:43 pm lmao @ nutella.

sorry, I just found it hilarious Kyle and DDL were still hypothesizing me as scum. Like, come on.
It's not as ridiculous as tinfoiling me though lol. Speed was talking about confirmed townies without even mentioning me?

wanna lynch him?

lmao @ nutella.

sorry, I just found it hilarious Kyle and DDL were still hypothesizing me as scum. Like, come on.

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:52 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:39 pm
Anyway, I really want to lynch nijuu before sig now.

Any takers?
No thanks!

Judging by what I've read, I'd agree that the last mafia is inactive AF. Hell, if I weren't me, I'd probably vote me, too, judging by my predecessors' behavior (or lack thereof). But I'm not going to do that, obviously. Didn't realize how inactive sig was (I was going by what the thread said in the last few cycles and his lack of commentary) but just looked at his ISO and saw he hasn't posted since last month (that sounds so much more intense than it actually is, haha). So, going the inactivity route, I'll put my vote on sig now. I'm still reading up on why speed is bad, but I make no promises on intense hunting.

What is this about speedchuck being a bomb? I thought this was Mountain Mafia!

awww, ok. I'm going to hop on lynching sig first. If he's not the last scum tho, you're kinda next in line which is a shame cos you're so cute.

here's hoping it's sig

hey guys i'm scum

I know but theorizing and confirming 100% role alignments of other players is not very good right now.

I don't think it's wise to do this now when numbers are so great. If our theory of nijuu/sig doesn't hold up, we need to be discreet about who we are.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:39 pm Nevermind, I read kilamanjaro's role.

You're right. It totally could be Niju.

Kilamanjaro, Matterhorn, Mont Blanc (tunneling to a protected player), Chimborazo, Aconcagua

yesterday still withstanding, we pretty much know for a fact 3 of the 4 failed nightkills now were not a result of inactive players who forgot to send in night actions but protections.

well if I was scum now, I'd send in kills because everyone trusts me. But if I was a scum speedchuck or a scum Quin for example, who have people who oppose them, then laying low and getting the numbers down to something more reasonable that 1v9 before you resume killing will throw everyone off guard.

if we lynch sig today and nijuu is the last active scum, she's totes gonna kill speedchuck tomorrow night

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:13 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:07 pm another angle to consider... acquiescing to speedchuck's request puts us at a higher risk of losing if we're really just 100% wrong about sign and Nijuu. If for example LC or Quin or whomever is the final mafia and we lynch Speedchuck today and he starts killing again tonight things start getting dice-y.

You want to kill Sig. If kills happen tonight, you can rule out Sig. Ruling out the same number of people.
If kills don't happen, then you get more confirmation.

If I was an active scum, I'd simply not send in a kill. It's not unheard off.

I seriously think nijuu is the last scum though and she either forgot to send in a kill, intentionally didn't send one in to make the other inactives look bad, or targeted someone who was protected last night.

also, when it comes to Mafia, I learned the hard way to never trust the 3P. I got blown up by a dickhead once after trusting him.

It goes like this when I'm town: Townies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone else who isn't a townie

While a 3P isn't my lynching priority, lynching priorities go like this: scum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harmless 3P who could have a hidden agenda

If we don't lynch you today, and lynch another townie instead (one of sig/nijuu), does your win condition become impossible to obtain?

like, usually a janitor mafia will exist. This person doesn't exist and Marmot said the role list was literal and accurate. So who's wiping away the info?

honestly, as townies, our alliance is to townies, not helping 3P win without knowing what's at stake for us. While I sympathize with your cause, I don't believe in it as much as I believe in mine.

also: a question. since there's no janitor role actually indicated in the OP. does that mean scum team also don't know the roles of the people they killed? or do they? I don't know how you do these secret kills on the syndicate.

Matterhorn:

Matterhorn, Italy/Switzerland (4,478 m) - Matterhorn is known less for its height, and more for its almost perfect pyramidal shape, with 4 ridges rising up to an obvious peak. It is still one of the highest peaks in the European Alps. --- Secrets --- If you manage to finish four separate day periods with 0 votes, you will become immune to all active night actions for the rest of the game.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:41 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:41 pm so my real question, if we lynch you DOES ANYONE ELSE OTHER THAN YOU DIE?

also: if we lynch you, DO you die?
No

Yes

Have you lied when answering any of my questions?

can you tell me why you didn't write a blurb about either Eloh or Wilgy in your player list? was it intentional? Y/N

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:33 pm Ah, but it's good ol speedy! How can you say no to that face?

remember Pirates? and remember how trustworthy his face looked when he was coughing up all those fake statistics and theories? Yeah, so do I . :P

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