Mountain Mafia [END]

[Sloonei]

Similar to the conversation I highlighted between Jay and colonialbob, what do people think of this exchange (and the surrounding exchanges) between Jay and wilgy?

In the quote why did you ignore "what line of thinking would an answer lead you down?" And shift the subject?

I don't know what that question means. What does that question mean?

If I answered X, what would you think? If I answered Y, what would you think?

I think wilgy is a decent suspect, but parts of his Day 3 interactions with jay don't strike me as those of two teammates. Wilgy lives in a world of WIFOM though.

[dunya]

"poll runs til 2:43 am" well I guess I'll.... probably be up for that

West coast, huh? Us eastern folks have it a bit later.

Yesss. Feel our usual suffering

[dunya]

Similar to the conversation I highlighted between Jay and colonialbob, what do people think of this exchange (and the surrounding exchanges) between Jay and wilgy?

In the quote why did you ignore "what line of thinking would an answer lead you down?" And shift the subject?

I don't know what that question means. What does that question mean?

If I answered X, what would you think? If I answered Y, what would you think?

I think wilgy is a decent suspect, but parts of his Day 3 interactions with jay don't strike me as those of two teammates. Wilgy lives in a world of WIFOM though.

do you recall wilgy ever bussing a team mate? how did he approach it before?

[Kylemii]

"poll runs til 2:43 am" well I guess I'll.... probably be up for that

West coast, huh? Us eastern folks have it a bit later.

The time works for me (barely) because I live on the west coast and currently have no societal value. Most people live on the east coast and also have jobs or school.

[Kylemii]

"poll runs til 2:43 am" well I guess I'll.... probably be up for that

West coast, huh? Us eastern folks have it a bit later.

Yesss. Feel our usual suffering

Yeah on the plus side this will work great for everyone who lives between Dunya Standard Time and Quin Standard Time

[Sloonei]

Similar to the conversation I highlighted between Jay and colonialbob, what do people think of this exchange (and the surrounding exchanges) between Jay and wilgy?

In the quote why did you ignore "what line of thinking would an answer lead you down?" And shift the subject?

I don't know what that question means. What does that question mean?

If I answered X, what would you think? If I answered Y, what would you think?

I think wilgy is a decent suspect, but parts of his Day 3 interactions with jay don't strike me as those of two teammates. Wilgy lives in a world of WIFOM though.

do you recall wilgy ever bussing a team mate? how did he approach it before?

Not specifically, but it's absolutely something I can see him doing.

[Sloonei]

"poll runs til 2:43 am" well I guess I'll.... probably be up for that

West coast, huh? Us eastern folks have it a bit later.

Yesss. Feel our usual suffering

Yeah on the plus side this will work great for everyone who lives between Dunya Standard Time and Quin Standard Time

I have no real gripes with the deadline times because my east coast presence has granted me a lifetime of preferential deadline treatment. It's about time the rest of you got to experience this convenience.

[Sloonei]

Plus I like that when I leave for work I don't have to worry about missing the last 5-6 hours of the day.

[Kylemii]

Another point against Quin? His two suspects named after JJJ's drop? Me and Eloh. I think he feels like he's been cornered.

This post seems dumb without the context. Immediately after JJJ's flip we received a fuckload of connections to start making. There were several players who could be linked as possible teammates of JJJ, who had previously been brought up as suspects by many. So it seems weird to me that he specifically and only listed elohcin and me.

I believe Quin named us two on the spot because she and I are were contemporary suspects that aren't on his team.

[Sloonei]

It has been a while since we heard from Quin.

What are thoughts on speedchuck's tinfoil theory about me, kyle?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

For future reference, is replacing back into a game a thing? I've done it several times on another site. I was vanilla town or some passive role (with no non-public night actions) and died early. Then I replaced a non-poster, with no more knowledge than I had with my other role. Is that a thing here?
I haven't seen it yet.

Not that I want to die and replace INH, or that anyone else can. Just wondering.

Yes, but it's more rare here since kills are janitored. Mesk is the only one I could see replacing back in, and she was inactive to begin with so she might be unavailable. Well, we can always ask her.

[mention]Mesk514[/mention]

[Elohcin]

Epi, whi INH? You seem to place votes on inactives early in the day and then come around EoD to place a real vote on a player you find suspicious. Am I correct in this?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm fine with lynching Malakim.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

*votes*

[speedchuck]

For future reference, is replacing back into a game a thing? I've done it several times on another site. I was vanilla town or some passive role (with no non-public night actions) and died early. Then I replaced a non-poster, with no more knowledge than I had with my other role. Is that a thing here?
I haven't seen it yet.

Not that I want to die and replace INH, or that anyone else can. Just wondering.

Yes, but it's more rare here since kills are janitored. Mesk is the only one I could see replacing back in, and she was inactive to begin with so she might be unavailable. Well, we can always ask her.

Not to mention that we don't know who she used her insanifying role on.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Well that's usually a gray area, but if a role doesn't have much critical information (as in, an investigation result), you can usually just ask the replacer player to hide that information.

[Elohcin]

"poll runs til 2:43 am" well I guess I'll.... probably be up for that

West coast, huh? Us eastern folks have it a bit later.

The time works for me (barely) because I live on the west coast and currently have no societal value. Most people live on the east coast and also have jobs or school.

Haha, or both. Mine is 5:43am. I suppose I could get up super early and place a bandwagon vote and go back to bed for an hour.

[Kylemii]

It has been a while since we heard from Quin.

What are thoughts on speedchuck's tinfoil theory about me, kyle?

I'm looking for it... Do you mean the tinfoil theory that you're a high posting big mountain? I couldn't find any explanation for it beyond that.

[Kylemii]

I couldn't figure out what he was doing asking you to vote for Malakim. Was that part of the tinfoil?

[speedchuck]

It has been a while since we heard from Quin.

What are thoughts on speedchuck's tinfoil theory about me, kyle?

I'm looking for it... Do you mean the tinfoil theory that you're a high posting big mountain? I couldn't find any explanation for it beyond that.

It's based on Sloonei's voting patterns (with JJ and Malakim) and Jack's death.
It ignores Sloonei's early scumread of Jack and Sloon's town contributions.

I am also curious what you think of it. Post #3972.

We need a tinfoil hat smiley

linki: Sloonei didn't vote for Malakim on a different day. I was just checking his reaction if I asked him to vote for a bit. If he had voted, that would have meant something. His refusal doesn't mean much, as it was an unusual request.

[Elohcin]

I think I'm leaning towards a kyle vote after everything I've read since the JJJ lynch. I spent several days thinking he was civ. But I think I was wrong.

I see some of you are mentioning quin as well. I always seem to get scum vives from him, so I don't like to pursue it much. But I'd be okay with lynching him too. When he is bad, he plays quieter than when he is civ.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

@Sloonei Would you vote malakim with me please? You don't have to stay or anything. Just vote him for a while.

Why?

Because mal is bad. And I'm doing a thing.

I like my vote where it is for now.

linki: huh well that settles that I guess

would telling me what the Thing that you are doing defeat the purpose of said Thing?

It would have, but the purpose is already defeated now. Basically, I'm tinfoiling you.

Also I am a suspect to you because you believe I bussed Jay. How can you treat my line of suspicion as illegitimate? We're looking for the same thing; it's just our results that are different.

No. You're a suspect to me because

1) I believe Jimmy and Dom/Mal are w/w and you voted to save Dom/Mal. Worse, you did so with no reasoning or conviction.

2) You voted Wilgy with all my other suspects instead of Jimmy or Speed, which no explanation, creating a scenario where the only town read of mine between the three of them was more likely to be lynched as of an hour before EOD.

3) You keep handwaiving the incredibly strong cases against Mal (obviously saved by Jimmy) and Quin (obviously trying to save Mal and then Jimmy and refuses to say why).

I don't actually care one way or another about your vote for Jimmy. If you hadn't voted or said anything at all, the outcome would be the same.

This bothers me, because I'm prone to find a few townreads and stick to my guns REALLY HARD on them. You're one of those townreads. You still read town. But it bothers me that you haven't moved against malakim in any substantial way. (I know you already probably responded to this somewhere. This game has too many posts.)

If there's a high-posting mafia member, it might be sloonei.

Was it you who first brought up the "Jay being bussed" theory? (I honestly can't remember, and the game is getting too big for me to want to look.) Introducing that after JJJ got lynched took the focus completely away from you. Could be an interesting gambit for you OR a scummate. As for killing Jack, you're the one scumread he had that nobody else was following. The most likely to slip through the cracks if Jack just disappeared, as everyone else has a townread on you and was basically ignoring Jack.

I was testing in a silly childish way to see if you'd even put a single vote on Malakim for kicks. You refused. You probably refused because my request was silly, but it doesn't give me good feels. Thus, .

Of course that also mostly dependent on Malakim being scum, sooooooooo

Tbh I buy Jack's theory.

It's just that my current view on Sloonei is that his votes look so bad I find it hard to believe a scum Sloonei would make them.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Y'all converted me to saying "scum" lol I used to hate that term but now I use it all the time I guess I used to say "baddies" and that just feels silly/childish to me now, idk. I guess "mafia" is a decent generic term too

Well scum allows for terms like scummy, scumhunt, scummates, scumteam, scumbuddies and scumget.

[speedchuck]

Why?

Because mal is bad. And I'm doing a thing.

I like my vote where it is for now.

linki: huh well that settles that I guess

would telling me what the Thing that you are doing defeat the purpose of said Thing?

It would have, but the purpose is already defeated now. Basically, I'm tinfoiling you.

Also I am a suspect to you because you believe I bussed Jay. How can you treat my line of suspicion as illegitimate? We're looking for the same thing; it's just our results that are different.

No. You're a suspect to me because

1) I believe Jimmy and Dom/Mal are w/w and you voted to save Dom/Mal. Worse, you did so with no reasoning or conviction.

2) You voted Wilgy with all my other suspects instead of Jimmy or Speed, which no explanation, creating a scenario where the only town read of mine between the three of them was more likely to be lynched as of an hour before EOD.

3) You keep handwaiving the incredibly strong cases against Mal (obviously saved by Jimmy) and Quin (obviously trying to save Mal and then Jimmy and refuses to say why).

I don't actually care one way or another about your vote for Jimmy. If you hadn't voted or said anything at all, the outcome would be the same.

This bothers me, because I'm prone to find a few townreads and stick to my guns REALLY HARD on them. You're one of those townreads. You still read town. But it bothers me that you haven't moved against malakim in any substantial way. (I know you already probably responded to this somewhere. This game has too many posts.)

If there's a high-posting mafia member, it might be sloonei.

Was it you who first brought up the "Jay being bussed" theory? (I honestly can't remember, and the game is getting too big for me to want to look.) Introducing that after JJJ got lynched took the focus completely away from you. Could be an interesting gambit for you OR a scummate. As for killing Jack, you're the one scumread he had that nobody else was following. The most likely to slip through the cracks if Jack just disappeared, as everyone else has a townread on you and was basically ignoring Jack.

I was testing in a silly childish way to see if you'd even put a single vote on Malakim for kicks. You refused. You probably refused because my request was silly, but it doesn't give me good feels. Thus, .

Of course that also mostly dependent on Malakim being scum, sooooooooo

Tbh I buy Jack's theory.

It's just that my current view on Sloonei is that his votes look so bad I find it hard to believe a scum Sloonei would make them.

IKR? If his hard bussing and good reads were an act, why didn't he seal the deal with good votes?

[Kylemii]

It has been a while since we heard from Quin.

What are thoughts on speedchuck's tinfoil theory about me, kyle?

I'm looking for it... Do you mean the tinfoil theory that you're a high posting big mountain? I couldn't find any explanation for it beyond that.

It's based on Sloonei's voting patterns (with JJ and Malakim) and Jack's death.
It ignores Sloonei's early scumread of Jack and Sloon's town contributions.

I am also curious what you think of it. Post #3972.

We need a tinfoil hat smiley

linki: Sloonei didn't vote for Malakim on a different day. I was just checking his reaction if I asked him to vote for a bit. If he had voted, that would have meant something. His refusal doesn't mean much, as it was an unusual request.

Post numbers aren't displayed on mobile... At least I don't think so. Can you link it?

[speedchuck]

It has been a while since we heard from Quin.

What are thoughts on speedchuck's tinfoil theory about me, kyle?

I'm looking for it... Do you mean the tinfoil theory that you're a high posting big mountain? I couldn't find any explanation for it beyond that.

It's based on Sloonei's voting patterns (with JJ and Malakim) and Jack's death.
It ignores Sloonei's early scumread of Jack and Sloon's town contributions.

I am also curious what you think of it. Post #3972.

We need a tinfoil hat smiley

linki: Sloonei didn't vote for Malakim on a different day. I was just checking his reaction if I asked him to vote for a bit. If he had voted, that would have meant something. His refusal doesn't mean much, as it was an unusual request.

Post numbers aren't displayed on mobile... At least I don't think so. Can you link it?

Maybe

[Kylemii]

I think I'm leaning towards a kyle vote after everything I've read since the JJJ lynch. I spent several days thinking he was civ. But I think I was wrong.

You weren't wrong. Can you explain why you're leaning towards a vote for me?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

"poll runs til 2:43 am" well I guess I'll.... probably be up for that

West coast, huh? Us eastern folks have it a bit later.

The time works for me (barely) because I live on the west coast and currently have no societal value. Most people live on the east coast and also have jobs or school.

Societal value is for suckers. I feed myself from the tears of the scum I lynch.

[Sloonei]

It has been a while since we heard from Quin.

What are thoughts on speedchuck's tinfoil theory about me, kyle?

I'm looking for it... Do you mean the tinfoil theory that you're a high posting big mountain? I couldn't find any explanation for it beyond that.

You just commented on it a page or two ago.

[Kylemii]

It has been a while since we heard from Quin.

What are thoughts on speedchuck's tinfoil theory about me, kyle?

I'm looking for it... Do you mean the tinfoil theory that you're a high posting big mountain? I couldn't find any explanation for it beyond that.

You just commented on it a page or two ago.

Right, I thought the last half of that post was about Jack.i didn't see that Jack was writing about Quin.

[Kylemii]

I guess it's a valid theory.

But there's still a lot of Inferred Evidence pointing to Sloonei being a big mountain, and when I think back to names of players supporting Jay's lynch, Sloonei is the first one.

[Quin]

Another question for people who are good at analyzing this sort of thing: Why might Jack have been killed? He was still on a lot of people's radar and has been a controversial figure for much of the game.

He was after myself and Quin most recently, as well as malakim.

I think mafia analyzed the day 2 no lynch result (they don't know who Everest is, and neither do the majority of us, but they do know who Sutter Buttes is so that's one advantage over us) and figured Jack must have some important role after we began discussing it a little more yesterday. Why wasn't Jack lynched? Let's kill him. Also he's one of the loudest participants in this game, and has flung shit everywhere it's supposed to and everywhere it's not which is extremely good because it rifles everyone's feathers.

The Daisy kill is slightly weird to me though. Maybe they figured out she was K2 from writing style (and opinions).

But why would they think Jack was the person lynched and not Sloonei?

[Quin]

Another point against Quin? His two suspects named after JJJ's drop? Me and Eloh. I think he feels like he's been cornered.

I don't know how this is relevant to anything.

[Quin]

Another point against Quin? His two suspects named after JJJ's drop? Me and Eloh. I think he feels like he's been cornered.

This post seems dumb without the context. Immediately after JJJ's flip we received a fuckload of connections to start making. There were several players who could be linked as possible teammates of JJJ, who had previously been brought up as suspects by many. So it seems weird to me that he specifically and only listed elohcin and me.

I believe Quin named us two on the spot because she and I are were contemporary suspects that aren't on his team.

I named you two because I suspected you well before his lynch. It was not "on the spot".

[Quin]

I think I'm leaning towards a kyle vote after everything I've read since the JJJ lynch. I spent several days thinking he was civ. But I think I was wrong.

I see some of you are mentioning quin as well. I always seem to get scum vives from him, so I don't like to pursue it much. But I'd be okay with lynching him too. When he is bad, he plays quieter than when he is civ.

Examples please.

[Kylemii]

Another point against Quin? His two suspects named after JJJ's drop? Me and Eloh. I think he feels like he's been cornered.

This post seems dumb without the context. Immediately after JJJ's flip we received a fuckload of connections to start making. There were several players who could be linked as possible teammates of JJJ, who had previously been brought up as suspects by many. So it seems weird to me that he specifically and only listed elohcin and me.

I believe Quin named us two on the spot because she and I are were contemporary suspects that aren't on his team.

I named you two because I suspected you well before his lynch. It was not "on the spot".

You were asked the question on the spot and answered quickly.

[Quin]

Another point against Quin? His two suspects named after JJJ's drop? Me and Eloh. I think he feels like he's been cornered.

This post seems dumb without the context. Immediately after JJJ's flip we received a fuckload of connections to start making. There were several players who could be linked as possible teammates of JJJ, who had previously been brought up as suspects by many. So it seems weird to me that he specifically and only listed elohcin and me.

I believe Quin named us two on the spot because she and I are were contemporary suspects that aren't on his team.

I named you two because I suspected you well before his lynch. It was not "on the spot".

You were asked the question on the spot and answered quickly.

Okay. And why is that scummy again?

[Kylemii]

Quin who are you looking at for this lynch?

[Quin]

You, Eloh and malakim.

[Quin]

Please answer my question.

[Quin]

Maybe not Eloh, actually. One of 3J's biggest lynch targets was Eloh. She's earned some respite through his flip.

[Kylemii]

Okay. And why is that scummy again?

It's scummy because a scum quin following a lynch of teammate jay, in a game where his teammates may already under fire, and so many players are difficult to accuse because of the general civvie-trust vibes of the thread, when being asked what his suspects are, might quickly respond with listing two suspected players who aren't on his team.

Why me and Eloh? Why not Cbob or speedchuck or sog or LC. Why specifically list those two players? You weren't specifically asked for 2 suspects.

[Quin]

Okay. And why is that scummy again?

It's scummy because a scum quin following a lynch of teammate jay, in a game where his teammates may already under fire, and so many players are difficult to accuse because of the general civvie-trust vibes of the thread, when being asked what his suspects are, might quickly respond with listing two suspected players who aren't on his team.

Why me and Eloh? Why not Cbob or speedchuck or sog or LC. Why specifically list those two players? You weren't specifically asked for 2 suspects.

Because I was asked for suspects and I gave suspects. You and Eloh were my suspects.

[Kylemii]

You, Eloh and malakim.

what are your thoughts on malakim?

[Kylemii]

Hey.... Quin? I also wanna hear your thoughts on LC, Cbob, and Sig too.

[Quin]

You, Eloh and malakim.

what are your thoughts on malakim?

3J's ISO's on Day 4 ended with him giving a conclusive read of some description on every person except for malakim. I'm currently reading into that as though he didn't want to lock himself into any particular perspective.

[Quin]

Hey.... Quin? I also wanna hear your thoughts on LC, Cbob, and Sig too.

Maybe later.

[Kylemii]

Hey.... Quin? I also wanna hear your thoughts on LC, Cbob, and Sig too.

Maybe later.

[speedchuck]

Okay. And why is that scummy again?

It's scummy because a scum quin following a lynch of teammate jay, in a game where his teammates may already under fire, and so many players are difficult to accuse because of the general civvie-trust vibes of the thread, when being asked what his suspects are, might quickly respond with listing two suspected players who aren't on his team.

Why me and Eloh? Why not Cbob or speedchuck or sog or LC. Why specifically list those two players? You weren't specifically asked for 2 suspects.

Reaching

[Kylemii]

Okay. And why is that scummy again?

It's scummy because a scum quin following a lynch of teammate jay, in a game where his teammates may already under fire, and so many players are difficult to accuse because of the general civvie-trust vibes of the thread, when being asked what his suspects are, might quickly respond with listing two suspected players who aren't on his team.

Why me and Eloh? Why not Cbob or speedchuck or sog or LC. Why specifically list those two players? You weren't specifically asked for 2 suspects.

Reaching

Do you think that Quin is a civ?