The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:01 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:45 pm 1) No, he didn't. He proposed a strategy that ended with him having the most votes. It's right there. He counts the votes with 4 on Epi and 3 on DDL and says "I don't care about being lynched."

I have at times engaged in strategies as a civilian that caused me to end up with the most votes. Indeed, every civilian who has ever been lynched employed some kind of strategy which contributed to their destruction. That is not the same as throwing in the towel.

Nononono.

Epi didn't have a bad plan that resulted in his lynch. Epi's plan was to get lynched. He said, "Juliets, let's make sure I have 4 votes and DDL has 3. I don't care if I get lynched."

Your case is that I didn't really think Epi gave up when he said "I don't care if I get lynched."

That makes no sense at all.

Now tell me that's not your case, don't clarify anything and ask me for more reads.

Epi was trying to get lynched?

Yes.

Or rather, he was doing nothing whatsoever to avoid it, engineering a scenario where he had the most votes and saying he didn't care if he got lynched.

The crux of Jimmy's case is that he thinks I should have known Epi was trying hard to not get lynched even though it is evident that Epi was doing no such thing.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:45 pm 1) No, he didn't. He proposed a strategy that ended with him having the most votes. It's right there. He counts the votes with 4 on Epi and 3 on DDL and says "I don't care about being lynched."

I have at times engaged in strategies as a civilian that caused me to end up with the most votes. Indeed, every civilian who has ever been lynched employed some kind of strategy which contributed to their destruction. That is not the same as throwing in the towel.

Nononono.

Epi didn't have a bad plan that resulted in his lynch. Epi's plan was to get lynched. He said, "Juliets, let's make sure I have 4 votes and DDL has 3. I don't care if I get lynched."

Your case is that I didn't really think Epi gave up when he said "I don't care if I get lynched."

That makes no sense at all.

Now tell me that's not your case, don't clarify anything and ask me for more reads.

Epi was trying to get lynched?

Yes.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:36 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:32 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:24 pm This whole "you're going for a mislynch" thing is so bogus. I had Jack as a civilian read 48 hours ago. I don't need to cook up some convoluted plan to make Jack my specific target if I am pursuing a mislynch. My read turned because I don't believe in it anymore.

Again, Epi looked so bad, 3 people said they thought he was the unlynchable mafia member.

Your case is dishonest, just like the one you made against me D1, just like the one you made against Sprityo.

Both Jay and myself have referenced posts. I think Kyle did too. You opportunistically got your vote onto Epi in a way that made you capable of hand waving away your vote in the event of the mislynch that we now know would have happened. The case is not bogus. Stop saying that it is. It is disingenous anti-intellectualism and I will not accept this in the house of Mac.

Jackofhearts2005, address this specific point.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/begging-the-question

Links to logicalfallacyis.com do not amount to addressing the point.

This is the shit you have not been handling since we started this argument. This is the shit you're pretending doesn't exist.

"Jack knew Epi was town" "His vote was opportunistic"

If I'm bad, I knew Epi was town because I'm bad. You can't therefore reason that I'm bad because I knew Epi was town if there's no evidence I knew Epi was town beyond your conclusion that I'm bad. This is what begging the question is and it's a logical fallacy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:20 pm As I have said repeatedly now:

I think you handled Epignosis in such a way, particularly on Day 3, that evidences you having known he was a civilian all along. You had to force your way into an Epignosis vote with a post that looked utterly fake, and when confronted with a reason to move that vote you fell into the most awkward waffle of a response in the thread (on the basis of Epi giving up which was false).

Jackofhearts2005, address this specific point apart from the parenthetical bit at the end.

Evidences I knew he was a civilian all along - Citation needed or else this is more begging the question.

You had to voice your way into an Epignosis vote - I asked Epi what he was doing and he told me "fucking horses." That was me giving Epi a chance to show me he was town. Forced? Bah.

With a post that looked utterly fake and my reasoning for staying on him was also fake - Cause when Epi says "I don't care about getting lynched" and three people say "Gee, I think Epi cares so little about being lynched he must be unlynchable" then I'm supposed to actually know that his plan to receive the most votes was a ploy to somehow not get the most votes and therefore, my belief that Epi wasn't trying to avoid lynch must have been fake. That about right? And I did this to push for an Epi mislynch instead of....a Sprityo mislynch, when I had already stated that I townread Sprityo.

This whole case is one big joke.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:36 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:32 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:24 pm This whole "you're going for a mislynch" thing is so bogus. I had Jack as a civilian read 48 hours ago. I don't need to cook up some convoluted plan to make Jack my specific target if I am pursuing a mislynch. My read turned because I don't believe in it anymore.

Again, Epi looked so bad, 3 people said they thought he was the unlynchable mafia member.

Your case is dishonest, just like the one you made against me D1, just like the one you made against Sprityo.

Both Jay and myself have referenced posts. I think Kyle did too. You opportunistically got your vote onto Epi in a way that made you capable of hand waving away your vote in the event of the mislynch that we now know would have happened. The case is not bogus. Stop saying that it is. It is disingenous anti-intellectualism and I will not accept this in the house of Mac.

Jackofhearts2005, address this specific point.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/begging-the-question

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:45 pm 1) No, he didn't. He proposed a strategy that ended with him having the most votes. It's right there. He counts the votes with 4 on Epi and 3 on DDL and says "I don't care about being lynched."

I have at times engaged in strategies as a civilian that caused me to end up with the most votes. Indeed, every civilian who has ever been lynched employed some kind of strategy which contributed to their destruction. That is not the same as throwing in the towel.

Nononono.

Epi didn't have a bad plan that resulted in his lynch. Epi's plan was to get lynched. He said, "Juliets, let's make sure I have 4 votes and DDL has 3. I don't care if I get lynched."

Your case is that I didn't really think Epi gave up when he said "I don't care if I get lynched."

That makes no sense at all.

Now tell me that's not your case, don't clarify anything and ask me for more reads.

Come on.

Somebody please tell me I'm not crazy for seeing Epi propose a plan where he gets the most votes, says "I don't care about getting lynched" and thinking that Epi wasn't trying to avoid lynch.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:44 pm Jackofhearts2005 please ignore everyone else for a second and answer my more important and more interesting question instead of their relatively unimportant and boring ones

Did you ask me a question?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:42 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:39 pm Literally says he doesn't care if he dies several times, doesn't care if anyone sees what he's trying to do, proposes a strategy that gets him lynched over Juliets.

That's not trying, Jay.

1) Epignosis tried to lynch someone who is not Epignosis. There is no way to twist that into "Epignosis gave up." He wasn't bothered by being lynched, something he has said in more games than just this one, but he didn't roll over and wait for death.

2) You're focusing on a tiny detail of a larger case filled with goodies that you have to this point done nothing with.

1) No, he didn't. He proposed a strategy that ended with him having the most votes. It's right there. He counts the votes with 4 on Epi and 3 on DDL and says "I don't care about being lynched."

2) Proven wrong about the details, Jay goes back to vague big pictures, just like he has against me all game. Color me not surprised.

[mention]Long Con[/mention]
[mention]Kylemii[/mention]

You guys see this? You think this is an honest case?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:29 pm v This is giving up.

There is literally no way in hell you believe Epignosis was "giving up" after having been shown his efforts to move the lynch to someone who was not him.

The most token effort of all time. Here's the full effort of Epi trying to prevent his own lynch.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:28 pm I don't have any inferences I'm willing to share (since at least one of them is impolite).

I've served a purpose in this, and I'm fine with it, and am satisfied that nobody gets what I've done. If people lynch me for my approach here, then you can deal with them after Night 3. Or not deal with them. I won't be around to care.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:29 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:27 pm I read through wolbre and didn't see anything that excites me for a vote, plus I like what Mac had to say about him. I still don't like his voting Epi and then leaving without having heard Epi's side of things but I think thats probably a cultural thing. It may not be a big deal where he comes from whereas it was where I come from.

I am not keen on voting for you, and I get the impression the feeling is mutual. I suggest you and I come up with someone who isn't you or me and we vote together.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:34 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:31 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:29 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:27 pm I read through wolbre and didn't see anything that excites me for a vote, plus I like what Mac had to say about him. I still don't like his voting Epi and then leaving without having heard Epi's side of things but I think thats probably a cultural thing. It may not be a big deal where he comes from whereas it was where I come from.

I am not keen on voting for you, and I get the impression the feeling is mutual. I suggest you and I come up with someone who isn't you or me and we vote together.

I'm fine with that Epi, I do not want to vote for you. Do you have anyone in mind?

No. That's my trouble.

Fuck it.

[VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:35 pm DDL voted for me for a stupid reason (like I owe him a Kylemii vote explanation), and if you vote for him, then that makes it 3-DDL, 4-Epi, which means you will be unlikely to be lynched, and I'm fine with that.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:42 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:38 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:35 pm DDL voted for me for a stupid reason (like I owe him a Kylemii vote explanation), and if you vote for him, then that makes it 3-DDL, 4-Epi, which means you will be unlikely to be lynched, and I'm fine with that.

Oh gosh Epi I'm seeing DDL as town. I'm trying to understand what Jay is seeing in wolbre, thinking I may have missed something. If you have to vote for me go ahead, I understand and it's just a game.

If he's a civilian, then he's not doing a very good job.

As I said, I'm not keen on voting for you. I suspected you Day 1, but you came through and the clouds have passed.

I don't care about being lynched.

Literally says he doesn't care if he dies several times, doesn't care if anyone sees what he's trying to do, proposes a strategy that gets him lynched over Juliets.

That's not trying, Jay.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:37 pm Scotty is slinging random mud everywhere rather than voting for the guy with a good case against him.

This is what Jay is talking about with the house of cards.

Restate the case in your own words, please. You tend to bull around which is great when you're town and you're not bulldozing at town but at least one of those isn't true and I don't know where your head is at besides being pointed in the wrong direction.

Where's your head on everyone but me?

Bulldozing better not stick. I hate it.

I think you knew Epi was a civ and made an opportunistic vote on him. I feel like I have been seeing a fake scum hunting version of Jack all game.

You want me to provide you with a read on every player in the game? That sure is something I ask of civs when I take suspicion off them to try to slip them up. Do you actually think I am Mafia or is this omgus or worse.

ISO Scotty for me please. Do me one analysis and I will consider analysing the player list.

Why?

How so?

Coming up.

Did I say I thought you were mafia? Can it be omgus if you don't actually say the other person is mafia or vote for them or anything? I honestly don't know how to read you except as town based on results and shared feelings. We haven't gotten results and we don't share reads. So does that make you bad or just having a bad game? Fuck if I know. I know I'm having a bad game but I've never played with bad you.

No. You are flailing. I am not repeating myself. If you cared you would not ask such asinine questions.

Okay. I'm off the fence. I think you're bad, too.

If there's one attribute about Jack, it's that I care.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:24 pm This whole "you're going for a mislynch" thing is so bogus. I had Jack as a civilian read 48 hours ago. I don't need to cook up some convoluted plan to make Jack my specific target if I am pursuing a mislynch. My read turned because I don't believe in it anymore.

Again, Epi looked so bad, 3 people said they thought he was the unlynchable mafia member.

Your case is dishonest, just like the one you made against me D1, just like the one you made against Sprityo.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:20 pm As I have said repeatedly now:

I think you handled Epignosis in such a way, particularly on Day 3, that evidences you having known he was a civilian all along. You had to force your way into an Epignosis vote with a post that looked utterly fake, and when confronted with a reason to move that vote you fell into the most awkward waffle of a response in the thread (on the basis of Epi giving up which was false).

^ This is nonsense.


v This is giving up.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:53 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:42 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:38 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:35 pm DDL voted for me for a stupid reason (like I owe him a Kylemii vote explanation), and if you vote for him, then that makes it 3-DDL, 4-Epi, which means you will be unlikely to be lynched, and I'm fine with that.

Oh gosh Epi I'm seeing DDL as town. I'm trying to understand what Jay is seeing in wolbre, thinking I may have missed something. If you have to vote for me go ahead, I understand and it's just a game.

If he's a civilian, then he's not doing a very good job.

As I said, I'm not keen on voting for you. I suspected you Day 1, but you came through and the clouds have passed.

I don't care about being lynched.

If you’re a civilian, you’re not doing so hot yourself. Not doing so hot regardless of alignment, really. What are you even doing?

Fucking horses.

Didn't you know?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:37 pm Scotty is slinging random mud everywhere rather than voting for the guy with a good case against him.

This is what Jay is talking about with the house of cards.

Restate the case in your own words, please. You tend to bull around which is great when you're town and you're not bulldozing at town but at least one of those isn't true and I don't know where your head is at besides being pointed in the wrong direction.

Where's your head on everyone but me?

Bulldozing better not stick. I hate it.

I think you knew Epi was a civ and made an opportunistic vote on him. I feel like I have been seeing a fake scum hunting version of Jack all game.

You want me to provide you with a read on every player in the game? That sure is something I ask of civs when I take suspicion off them to try to slip them up. Do you actually think I am Mafia or is this omgus or worse.

ISO Scotty for me please. Do me one analysis and I will consider analysing the player list.

Why?

How so?

Coming up.

Did I say I thought you were mafia? Can it be omgus if you don't actually say the other person is mafia or vote for them or anything? I honestly don't know how to read you except as town based on results and shared feelings. We haven't gotten results and we don't share reads. So does that make you bad or just having a bad game? Fuck if I know. I know I'm having a bad game but I've never played with bad you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:19 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:56 pmFiiiiine.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

There's my stance. You've thrown at least 3 bs arguments at townies this game and none of your mountain king routine has done anything to actually lynch anyone bad. I've been pinged by you all game and dismissed it as being too self centered but that doesn't change the fact that I've been pinged by you all game and if I had to stake the game on the next lynch, I'd want you to be it.

Me and everyone else here. This is so fake. Your pings are fake. Get out.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:56 pmI'm not waffling on Mac any more than I'm waffling on the state of the stock market. I just don't know. I'm not going back and forth and wringing my hands. There's just no data.

Take a stance. He has plenty of data.

You first, mongrel.



Day 1, you went after Sprityo, me and LC.

Day 2, Avito

Day 3, Sprityo again.

And now back to me.

When I’m dead, you’ll ignore it. Wrong again. Oh well. All the way to victory.

DDL says you’re tunneling but I don’t see it. Just like on Day 1, your argument is full of things you don’t believe and when you get called on it, instead of clarifying, you just say I’m wrong and I’m arguing against a position you didn’t take.

Hard to argue against a case that’s a moving target. And when I push that, you fall back on me not having enough reads, which your continued bullshittery is not helping with.

You already know that of course. Like I said, you’re not out for truth. You’re out for a mislynch.

This is like when you try to use your ultimate spell in a video game without it fully powered up.

That's exactly what the picture is!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:58 pm By your own logic, you must be bad then, eh?

You've made it abundantly clear that you don't understand my logic -- or at least that you don't care to address it.

Does that make me bad, Jim?

The logic itself is what makes you bad. Your inability to understand it would not make you more good or bad. Your failure to address it if you do understand it while instead attacking straw men arguments makes you bad.

So clarify your damn case.

No more “that’s not what I meant.”

Tell me what you mean. Cause at this point, I don’t think you mean anything. Just throwing shade.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:56 pmFiiiiine.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

There's my stance. You've thrown at least 3 bs arguments at townies this game and none of your mountain king routine has done anything to actually lynch anyone bad. I've been pinged by you all game and dismissed it as being too self centered but that doesn't change the fact that I've been pinged by you all game and if I had to stake the game on the next lynch, I'd want you to be it.

Me and everyone else here. This is so fake. Your pings are fake. Get out.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:56 pmI'm not waffling on Mac any more than I'm waffling on the state of the stock market. I just don't know. I'm not going back and forth and wringing my hands. There's just no data.

Take a stance. He has plenty of data.

You first, mongrel.



Day 1, you went after Sprityo, me and LC.

Day 2, Avito

Day 3, Sprityo again.

And now back to me.

When I’m dead, you’ll ignore it. Wrong again. Oh well. All the way to victory.

DDL says you’re tunneling but I don’t see it. Just like on Day 1, your argument is full of things you don’t believe and when you get called on it, instead of clarifying, you just say I’m wrong and I’m arguing against a position you didn’t take.

Hard to argue against a case that’s a moving target. And when I push that, you fall back on me not having enough reads, which your continued bullshittery is not helping with.

You already know that of course. Like I said, you’re not out for truth. You’re out for a mislynch.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:04 pm A game in which Long Con is still alive on day 4 is a game that I have rarely seen.

Agreed. Still town read him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:58 pm By your own logic, you must be bad then, eh?

You've made it abundantly clear that you don't understand my logic -- or at least that you don't care to address it.

Does that make me bad, Jim?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:01 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:57 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:41 pmSlight town read on:
Kyle

can i plz ask why

Tone. I always look for your tone.

How eerie. You are talking to a parallel universe version of yourself.

Please explain.

You and Kyle are the same person.

Kyle is way nicer than me.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:57 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:41 pmSlight town read on:
Kyle

can i plz ask why

Tone. I always look for your tone.

am i shining?

Somewhat, I suppose. I don’t feel bad about you like I do even sometimes when you’re town.

You did turn this around on me in MK so I’m leaving the townread as slight.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:57 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:41 pmSlight town read on:
Kyle

can i plz ask why

Tone. I always look for your tone.

How eerie. You are talking to a parallel universe version of yourself.

Please explain.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:45 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:41 pm Strong town reads on:
LC, Juliets, Scotty

Moderate town read on:
DDL

Slight town read on:
Kyle

Tell me about the civilian reads on LC and Scotty.

No.

Thanks, Epignosis.

By your own logic, you must be bad then, eh?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:41 pmSlight town read on:
Kyle

can i plz ask why

Tone. I always look for your tone.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:44 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:41 pm Strong town reads on:
LC, Juliets, Scotty

Moderate town read on:
DDL

Slight town read on:
Kyle

Giant waffle on:
The two people who want to mop the floor with your buttocks

Fiiiiine.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

There's my stance. You've thrown at least 3 bs arguments at townies this game and none of your mountain king routine has done anything to actually lynch anyone bad. I've been pinged by you all game and dismissed it as being too self centered but that doesn't change the fact that I've been pinged by you all game and if I had to stake the game on the next lynch, I'd want you to be it.

I'm not waffling on Mac any more than I'm waffling on the state of the stock market. I just don't know. I'm not going back and forth and wringing my hands. There's just no data.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:50 pm Of the absentee group:

Dom, INH, Pennywise

I think the most likely mafioso is INH.

Why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:45 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:41 pm Strong town reads on:
LC, Juliets, Scotty

Moderate town read on:
DDL

Slight town read on:
Kyle

Tell me about the civilian reads on LC and Scotty.

No.

Strong town reads on:
LC, Juliets, Scotty

Moderate town read on:
DDL

Slight town read on:
Kyle

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:37 pm Scotty is slinging random mud everywhere rather than voting for the guy with a good case against him.

This is what Jay is talking about with the house of cards.

Restate the case in your own words, please. You tend to bull around which is great when you're town and you're not bulldozing at town but at least one of those isn't true and I don't know where your head is at besides being pointed in the wrong direction.

Where's your head on everyone but me?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:14 pm I like the case that Jack is bad. [VOTE: jack] aubergine

Not you, Long Con.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 3:58 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 11:27 pm Wolbre is being to nice. I think he's mafia.

sig wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 11:47 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 11:29 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 11:27 pm Wolbre is being to nice. I think he's mafia.

He literally just posted glad to have me here LOL
I'm not gonna respond "fuck you"
Sig stop wallflowering it's irritating me

And overall you're just being really nice this game it pings me.

sig wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 4:09 pm So I don't have the time or really the energy to build a proper case right now, but I'm gut reading Wolbre bad. He just doesn't seem genuine to me this game. I'll probably start tomorrow with a vote there.

Incidentally, that last post was also sig’s last post, in N1. He was killed N2.

Wolbre was sig’s main suspect.

Was Sig silenced on Day 2? (ie was anybody else silenced Day 2?)

The old "silence and then kill" classic routine is a nightkill strategy I can understand.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 3:53 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 3:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 2:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 2:46 am [VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine

It's 2018 bro get with the times.

I'm mad at myself for not seeing this when you saw it.

seeing what

Mac hated one of Jack's posts that I'm beefing with today well before I did.

Oh. I thought you were saying you just now noticed it's not 2005

Wolbre's online and posting elsewhere that he's got computer issues or something.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 2:33 pm The last time I watched Jay destroy someone, he was an Indy. But he sided with town. And he destroyed me. I was scum.

Are you mafia Jack?

Nah. I feel pretty good, too.

No I'm not. We have several inactives. Balls.

[mention]Long Con[/mention] [mention]juliets[/mention]

Weigh in pretty please.

This is pretty yuck/familiar.
But honestly, all I have besides this and Jimmy's BS arguments against me (extending to back before I had actually started playing, mind you) is tone. And really, tone isn't a separate thing. It's the tone of certainty that he goes after people I know are town for little falsehoods that bothers me.

I'm going to have to POE into a Jimmy read.

Wait wait.

I can do better.

What about this one, Jimmy?

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 58#p425158

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 1:19 pm Guys what if mafia is missing kills and they are getting randomized?

Too much to hope for, convenient though it would be for yours truly.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 1:19 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 1:16 pm Hey @JaggedJimmyJay I would feel stronger voting for wolbre. Wanna vote there with me and see what turns up? Or are you absolutely deadset on jack today?

Until I am given anything resembling a good reason to think otherwise about Jack, I will continue to pursue his destruction.

State your case against wolbre in thorough terms and I'll consider what you say.

How's this?

You kinda feel it but you don't have anything you want me to address.

Whatever. I'll take what I can get.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 12:57 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 12:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 12:53 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 12:47 pm "You should have known Epi was town" is just the worst argument.

I have never made that argument, and I have corrected you on it repeatedly now.

Die.

"I don't care about facts wherein I've previously asserted things and you've proven me wrong."

Not without a daykill.

What the hell does this even mean?

You show me where I told you that you should have known Epignosis was a civilian. That's almost the opposite of my argument. You're making shit up.

It means that when you make assertions like "Jack should be lynched because he doesn't care about if people are being logical" and I'm like "I do and I can prove it by several historical examples" you're then like "Oh. I don't care and I refuse to believe that. Proving your point would be a waste of time."

Your assertion about the Sig kill is logically false, too, but you don't care about that either.

I don't need to argue with someone who isn't trying to figure out the truth. I just need to figure out if you're bad or shooting from the hip.

If I don't, I need to find a new set of gifs.

I have all my gifs ready for when I find more than one post about Jimmy that looks really really bad.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 12:53 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 12:47 pm "You should have known Epi was town" is just the worst argument.

I have never made that argument, and I have corrected you on it repeatedly now.

Die.

"I don't care about facts wherein I've previously asserted things and you've proven me wrong."

Not without a daykill.

Really tempted to throw all of Epi's bullshit arguments about Jimmy back in his face. Since I should have been taking those more seriously, apparently.

"You should have known Epi was town" is just the worst argument.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 12:43 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 2:40 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 2:37 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 2:36 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 1:21 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 1:18 am i paused the fireblight ganon boss battle in order to read ur isos don't feel down

I appreciate it. In so doing you've helped to uncover the dark truth that Jackofhearts2005 is himself Ganondorf, the Great King of Evil, the Dark Lord, he who contains the wretched beast Ganon in the Dark World under the great pyramid.

Overreaction much?

Overreaction to what?

I mean if you think I’m a goon, fine, but it’s a bit over the top to call me dark lord, great king of evil. Not like your case is that I’ve been caught summoning demons and sacrificing virgins.

You don’t like that I’ve been unsure and treated a townie who wasn’t acting like a townie as boot a townie.

*more jerk off gifs*

Dude why are you wasting time with this when you can defend against the actual points he made?

Are there any particular points that Jimmy made that you feel I need to address in order to determine my alignment?

I'm tired of fencing with Jimmy about myself but I don't want him convincing others to vote for me.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 12:36 pm I don’t believe that we’re this far behind on Day 4 with a supatown combo of JJJ and Mac. In this instance, fairly or not, their reputation precedes them and my expectations are higher.

I’m sorry if you’re genuine in your Epi interactive iso, JJJ. I just think as far as you establish yourself as emulating your supatown meta, a baddie JJJ can skate by as we continue to mislynch.

I think Mac is equally as guilty with all his switcheroos on D1 and I’ll investigate him further too

How do you even tell if Mac is bad?

He just bulldozes in with instinct and is right like 70% of the time. How does scum Mac differ from Mac that's just hitting that 30% a few times?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 12:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 12:14 pm

Spoiler: show

I don't want to ISO Jimmy. His ISO is soooooo long. Here I go.

Yes it is. And instead of actually hunting, you're going dumpster diving in the 450 post ISO of the guy who wants to destroy you. Waste of time.

It's not hunting if it's you cause you're town right?

Eager beaver/bear.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 12:01 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 11:10 pm I don’t see that exchange as fake, if that’s what you’re implying. I’d almost be willing to rule them out as w/w. Almost.

I hate this post. This is nothing. It reeks of fakeness. To rule Epi and I out as mafia teammates is not a significant concession given that from an uncertain standpoint that is already the least likely reality.

And you didn't even do that. You almost did that.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 4:46 pm I guess I’ll go ahead and [VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

I tend to give Epi some leeway for bs cases, head butting and general grumpiness/laziness but I expect something to come of it eventually.

I like Jimmy's rainbow (save Juliets, who I’m not sure why people are voting for) and the Epi case but I can’t shake a bad feeling about him. Driving me up the wall over here. Waiting for the shoe to drop. Just not sure what kinda shoe it is.

Linki: I’ll read those Nova beefs in a bit. Nova is in one ear out the other for me.

I hate this post. It looks like the standard begrudging "well okay I guess I'll vote for this civilian then, if you say so" stuff that is textbook mafioso.

"Here's why I have been giving Epignosis a long leash, but JJJ said a thing, and I like the thing, but I can't shake this bad feeling about JJJ, it's driving me up the wall..."

Fuck that. You're going to suggest I'm setting you up? Look at this bullshit.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 8:22 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 8:15 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 8:13 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 8:11 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 8:10 pm I'm not 100% sure of either of you.

I'm 100% sure of Avito's alignment.

I was talking about a Day 2 read.

Epignosis is tied for the tally lead.

He doesn't like a lynch of sprityo, his tie buddy.

He doesn't like a lynch of juliets, the only other person in decent range.

Is he a mafioso?

I never give up no matter my alignment so I don’t know what to do with a player who does.

Game theory say scum going for pitty (or in this case confusion?) but that doesn’t bear out irl.

Either way, it’s annoying.

I hate this post. When presented with the best evidence available that Epignosis might be a civilian (that he was consciously working toward a counterwagon that wasn't already accessible to him), you go full waffle and say pretty much nothing -- all on the basis of an assertion which wasn't even true, that Epi was giving up.

I'm sorry you hate the first post but I can see the two of you faking that if you were both bad. I'm not going to lie so that I'm more...idk on the record.

Bro, wait until I ISO you to accuse me of setting you up. It's not a secret you and Epi have been butting heads. Cooking and dogs and whatnot. You voted for him, didn't ya? Getting a bit defensive before I even get started aren't ya? Come oooooooon. You're a good player. I've got my strong points but I'm generally worse. If you're good and I'm bad, are you honestly worried I'm about to set you up and get you mislynched? If you're good and I'm bad, my route out is to be "genuine" and provide "effort" so that you think you're wrong. What an odd accusation coming from you. (Talking to myself. Meta defenses aren't convincing from the subject. Whatever.)

I quoted you a post where I asked Epi what he was even doing, told him it didn't feel like he was trying to be a townie. He basically told me to go pound sand. If you can't see that I couldn't see town Epi yesterday, you're not town.