The Syndicate

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 21, 2022 3:00 pm What I wanted to say at EoD was (I posted at some point that I'd give the correct mech response 10 minutes before EoD): Heal TSP

I wasn't present around EoD though. The reasoning is that Mafia would have healed him earlier, but also telling mafia that's the plan is counter productive.

Right. Oh well.

I’m not sorry.

60% of the time, my reads that I was 100% sure of were correct.

*lied

Imagine being the wolf team and thinking two town players lord for no reason

Lol how embarassing

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:49 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:17 am why are we wagoning linearpoint AGAIN

Because she was mechanically proven to be lying?

who cares

Enough people to yeet her over your objection.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:03 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:54 pm I don’t even like Dolby’s play today but the Dolby wagon seems rly bad tbh

Partially in my new worldview of townies Sig, Dya, Urist and Scotty, Syn and Petit are kinda on the wolf shortlist.

And maybe I’ve even been wrong on Tony idk.

Petit just being generally meh and Syn pushing against LP yeet and for Jack/Urist yeets, which are both wrong and therefore wolfy.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:54 pm I don’t even like Dolby’s play today but the Dolby wagon seems rly bad tbh

Partially in my new worldview of townies Sig, Dya, Urist and Scotty, Syn and Petit are kinda on the wolf shortlist.

I don’t even like Dolby’s play today but the Dolby wagon seems rly bad tbh

Just like everyone who wouldn’t yeet Dunya yesterday was a wolf, everyone who won’t yeet LP today is a wolf only today I’m righter.

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:17 am why are we wagoning linearpoint AGAIN

Because she was mechanically proven to be lying?

Why do you keep saying things like “let’s kill Jack” or “Jack and Urist are both mafia,” don’t elaborate and then leave?

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:16 am why do all the wagons on jack and naa get crushed in short order whenever they happen

Cause I’m unyeetable duh

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:35 am Actually I don’t think there’s one person I’ve read by “they’re doing things I like = town” except Jack, all my town reads keep doing dumb things

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:14 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:12 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:10 pm Someone is evading the blockers to get these kills out. And half of the people have seemingly claimed blocker. They just getting through.

Could be credence to this sig hitman theory

I don't know what kills you could be refering to but NAA claimed the poison on TSP

Mafia kills

Aren’t blocked by Pal 2

I disagree with Scotty’s read but at least he’s doing the mechanically correct move, here.

@Marmot @Dolby

Do either of you think there’s a world we’re Tony is a wolf and no wolves have a poison heal today?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:21 pm We should make a list of people who have done a good job and people who haven’t

People who haven’t:
Urist
Jack
Syn
Dolby
Wilgy
Scotty
Sig

People who sorta have:
NAA
Marmot
LP

People who are confirmed RBs:
Dya
TSP
Chicken I think someone make sure


POE is suspiciously the top list

Lmao

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:12 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:11 pm Marmot should be a locker tonight then probably but someone should heal me

Lul

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:39 pm This also means Jack didn't carry the factional kill. Fun

Which tbf is worth fuck all cause any wolf team with me on it sends the wolf kill elsewhere but sure, maybe we can corner case that into confirmation if we’re suuuuuuper lucky.

Nanook confirmed I should have gotten a blocked notification at end of N2.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:35 pm Jack can be partnered with TSP mainly because he soulread TSP town all day yesterday, and if TSP is mafia and dunia is town, that means Jack was wrong on exactly two of his most confident Day 2 reads.

TSP also blatantly shielded LP yesterday.



These are arguments for openwolfing wolves, but that's a thing wolves do so sure it can work.

This could be worth looking into. I would be pretty embarrassed if Tony turns out to be a wolf.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:33 pm I also feel like I'm moving towards a TSP/LP/Urist(orMaybeJackOrMaybeBoth) world


LP and TSP seem like reasonable scum team fits. Rask can't be paired with TSP. Dya probably isn't paired LP.

I guess NAA and Wilgy could literally be teammates, but I do think scum!NAA isn't doing himself any favors defending a POE candidated if Wilgy is town.



Also per my observation yesterday, the thread got quieter when the wagon jumped from LP to NAA, which makes those two look unaligned AND LP like the potential scum between the two.

Oh yeah. I’m glad one of us remembered that.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:32 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:31 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:30 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:29 pm I don't think DrWilgy is mafia.

This is where you would then add, “because…..”

I've tried on other cases, nobody will care either way about justifications, and will just continue with their read.

Let's try this.

I don't care about your read with a lack of justification.

I do but it’s to do that thing where I assume people who defend my scumreads without reasoning must be doing it because they too are scum.

And I already fucked that up bad this game so yeah, I want an answer if it hasn’t already been given.

The idea that I’m w/w with Urist and he accidentally red peeked me is pretty funny though.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:18 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:16 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:15 pm Why do you think Urist is scum in the Urist/Jack cc when Jack himself is even calling Urist town?

this actually isn't a bad take but I'm gonna leave NAA to explain

I'm curious to hear what Urist says, but based on what we've seen thus far, I read it as Jack trying to sweep it under the rug.

I am because I townread Urist for the claim and I know I’m town so someone is misinterpreting or mod error. I’ve read my discord 3 times and I don’t think I’m misinterpreting.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:16 pm Urist, Jack, and NAA are w/w/w and they're just going to push this toward an LP chop as the day goes on.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:24 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:16 pm I just hate that it’s D3 and none of us have any info mech to talk about. Just that dya is a blocking god and NAA has poisoned someone in the POE.

I’ve failed 2 actions in a row. No idea if I was blocked or if I missed my die roll.

you should have been told you were blocked n2

Okay. Then yeah, host error, I guess.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:16 pm Town - Jack, Tony, Marmot, Scotty, Urist, Sig, Dya
Wolf - LP
TBD - Dolby, NAA, Wilgy, Petit, Syn

I feel like I should be able to pick the three wolves out of that bottom group.

Ranking the non cleared players, I’d probably go

Syn
Dolby
(scum line is here)
NAA
Petit

I’m not locking that in but that’s my initial thought.
Wilgy

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:17 pm jack scumreading cfc gang

sad

also jack are you fullsending on it being a host error

Or Urist being misinterpreted. He claimed currently Pal3. He did not claim to have previously used Pal3 to block me. That’s an assumption on Scotty’s part.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:13 pm Urist is town anyway. If he’s a wolf, he uses that claim to bury me or doesn’t make it at all.

There’s no motivation for w!Urist to immediately corroborate my claim of not succeeding in an action N2 unless he’s one of those players who is super paranoid about getting caught lying and like didn’t read the setup to know town literally can’t have tracked him and gotten back info already.

Cause even if w!Urist did P2 block me and even if he gets tracked as having done so, it’s not damning to keep quiet cause nothing proves it’s w!Urist and not just t!Urist. W!Urist gets less than nothing out of that claim.

Town - Jack, Tony, Marmot, Scotty, Urist, Sig, Dya
Wolf - LP
TBD - Dolby, NAA, Wilgy, Petit, Syn

I feel like I should be able to pick the three wolves out of that bottom group.

Urist is town anyway. If he’s a wolf, he uses that claim to bury me or doesn’t make it at all.

There’s no motivation for w!Urist to immediately corroborate my claim of not succeeding in an action N2 unless he’s one of those players who is super paranoid about getting caught lying and like didn’t read the setup to know town literally can’t have tracked him and gotten back info already.

And yeah, if I was a wolf who was Pal3 blocked, I’d say I was P3 blocked. It would be a more believable claim because I’d know there was a townie who could confirm I was telling the truth (as HK flipped Druid so it wasn’t him) vs claiming something I’d know was going to be revealed to be a lie (cause again, whoever blocked me is a living town player).

Unlike LP setting up for a Sig misyeet ftw, there’s absolutely no motivation for w!Jack to make this play.

Either Urist used a P2 block on me or Nanook made an error.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:01 pm “Paladin paradox resolution: If two Paladins target each other with blocks, the higher class level prevails. If they are the same class level, both are considered roleblocked for Class Actions but NOT for the factional kill.”

Jack says he blocked urist with Paladin 2
Urist says he blocked jack work Paladin 3.

Urist says he’s Paladin 3. He didn’t clarify what action he used on me. Like he could have used Paladin 2 and then already leveled to 3 and you’re just assuming.

Linki: I am 100% certain I was not notified that I was blocked.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:45 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:39 pm Additionally, I was told that I couldn’t earn CP by using Pal1 unless it actually healed poison.

i was told the opposite on n0. going to confirm with nanook. maybe he released another sneaky midgame patch, he seems to like those.

And please do confirm this.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:56 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:51 pm Urist, are you Paladin 3?

Yep

To clarify, when you blocked me, did you block me with the Paladin 3 action that informs a player they were blocked even if they don’t have a night action?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:53 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:52 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:51 pm Urist, are you Paladin 3?

Paladin 2 is also a block…

Yes, but Paladin 3 informs the blockee they were blocked.
Hence, you saying you don’t know if you were blocked or not, and urist saying you should know you were blocked..

If he used Pal3. If he used Pal2, I wouldn’t.

You’re making a claim for Urist. Urist claimed a block on me AFTER I said I didn’t know if I was blocked or not so if Urist was gonna say I was mechanically outted as lying, he could have said it then.

Maybe he’ll come back and say so (a lie or a host error) but I doubt it cause host error isn’t that common and Urist likely town.

I maintain I was told Pal1 only gains CP from actually healing poison.


If anyone healed a non poisoned player and got CP for it, I’m calling hax.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:51 pm Urist, are you Paladin 3?

Paladin 2 is also a block…

Yeah, no, I wasn’t informed of a block. I don’t want to give the exact wording cause that’s like don’t quote mod communication but I wasn’t told I was blocked so I wasn’t hit with Paladin3 on either night unless there was a host error.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:47 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:24 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:16 pm I just hate that it’s D3 and none of us have any info mech to talk about. Just that dya is a blocking god and NAA has poisoned someone in the POE.

I’ve failed 2 actions in a row. No idea if I was blocked or if I missed my die roll.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:24 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:16 pm I just hate that it’s D3 and none of us have any info mech to talk about. Just that dya is a blocking god and NAA has poisoned someone in the POE.

I’ve failed 2 actions in a row. No idea if I was blocked or if I missed my die roll.

you should have been told you were blocked n2

Paladin:
Level three: Heavy Attack (blocks your targets Class abilities AND the factional kill–your target is informed they were blocked, even if they used no abilities)

Presumably, I was hit with this, instead.

Level two: Light Attack (blocks your targets Class abilities, but does not affect the factional kill)

But let me check discord for a block notice and the poison heal CP explanation.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:45 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:39 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:34 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:29 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:26 pm @Jackofhearts2005 what actions?

Pal2 block on Sig (figured he was doing nothing helpful if town and could be doing bad shit if wolf) and then a Pal2 block on Urist. Which like isn’t a brilliant move but like I said, I don’t have any strong scumreads (except now LP).

Ok, so assuming that nobody has a roleblock to claim, there's a 2% chance that Jack is town, 98% chance that jack is mafia (the probability of 2 Fails on 85% in a row.

It would be nice if someone claimed a block but wolves, Dunya and randomized t!Sig (maybe not, idk how his point assignment is determined. Presumably also randomly) can’t or won’t claim blocks on me. Additionally, I was told that I couldn’t earn CP by using Pal1 unless it actually healed poison. Under that logic, a Pal2 block on someone that was only Pal1 (ie who had no action to block) might not earn CP anyway, without the 15% (or whatever) fail chance even entering into it.

Player roles flipped...

But not their actions. And Sig hasn’t flipped, nor have any wolves.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:42 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:23 pm There’s no reason whatsoever to make that lie as a townie.

Then again, that’s a really stupid lie to make as a wolf cause why?

There is tho. As she said, she was probably going down, so why not force the wolves to kill her so she doesn’t reveal info if sig was the one to make the kills.

This is all assuming sig is bad at all, which…I mean…he probably isn’t…

Hmm

But even if Sig was bad, wolves wouldn’t waste a kill trying to protect him when Sig dies for free at the whim of the town without even using a yeet.

This doesn’t make sense as a play even if a t!LP w!Sig world.

Plus, t!LP would have to bet that nobody would claim a block on her even though her action failed, causing a town loss to threaten a wolf that is already dead. Whereas w!LP also risks her own yeet but the payoff for succeeding is a wolf win and the penalty for failing is a single wolf yeet.

It makes more sense for a wolf to lie when not getting caught means a win than for a townie to lie when getting caught is a loss.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:37 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:34 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:29 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:26 pm @Jackofhearts2005 what actions?

Pal2 block on Sig (figured he was doing nothing helpful if town and could be doing bad shit if wolf) and then a Pal2 block on Urist. Which like isn’t a brilliant move but like I said, I don’t have any strong scumreads (except now LP).

Ok, so assuming that nobody has a roleblock to claim, there's a 2% chance that Jack is town, 98% chance that jack is mafia (the probability of 2 Fails on 85% in a row.

in the interest of not getting flamed in post i'll say i did block jack n2.

This is a good thing to claim.

Also a good look for Urist. Not a great look because maybe he’s claiming an action Dunya or Sig actually made or maybe I missed my roll but gth, I don’t think a wolf quickly fake claims this action. If wolves are going for the 4 player death by cuts strategy (and maybe they’re not but we’ll have a very good guess soon), Urist is proooobably town.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:34 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:29 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:26 pm @Jackofhearts2005 what actions?

Pal2 block on Sig (figured he was doing nothing helpful if town and could be doing bad shit if wolf) and then a Pal2 block on Urist. Which like isn’t a brilliant move but like I said, I don’t have any strong scumreads (except now LP).

Ok, so assuming that nobody has a roleblock to claim, there's a 2% chance that Jack is town, 98% chance that jack is mafia (the probability of 2 Fails on 85% in a row.

It would be nice if someone claimed a block but wolves, Dunya and randomized t!Sig (maybe not, idk how his point assignment is determined. Presumably also randomly) can’t or won’t claim blocks on me. Additionally, I was told that I couldn’t earn CP by using Pal1 unless it actually healed poison. Under that logic, a Pal2 block on someone that was only Pal1 (ie who had no action to block) might not earn CP anyway, without the 15% (or whatever) fail chance even entering into it.

[VOTE: LP] aubergine

Assuming this isn’t a big brain sacrifice bunt, getting rid of a wolf here and confirming the two least active players (Sig and Dya) as town is potentially game winning. Luckily, jinxes don’t really exist.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:27 pm Oh, there is wolf motivation. To come in tomorrow with info pointing to Sig being wolf (assuming Sig is town).

So if LP is a wolf, Sig is almost always town, here.

I don’t see any Town motivation for telling this lie.

the only town motivation was to try to bait a kill onto herself and frankly the logic used doesn't hold but I believe it more than her actually being on sig

She was never gonna bait a kill by threatening an empty slot when there’s a special mechanic explicitly for killing empty slots.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:26 pm I gotta say, last time LP was caught in a lie, a bunch of town explained away how it made sense, and definitely not alignment indicative. So maybe I was being too harsh on Dolby, and should instead continue lobbying to have LP killed.

And LP was a wolf, right?