The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:56 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:55 pmI still think you two aren't teamed, despite what others have said.
Not teamed as in not both on the same mafia team, or as in not aligned the same way at all?

The former.

But also probably the latter, if I understand you correctly.

I'm going to have company for the rest of the evening.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:52 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:51 pmI would lynch TH before Jay, to clear things up regarding their dichotomy.
Why is it a dichotomy?

*googles dichotomy*

Hmm. Maybe not quite that.

I'm curious if there's a chance we're wrong and TH's arguments toward you are in good faith, like if he's not on Mac's team. Knowing his role would influence that a lot. I still think you two aren't teamed, despite what others have said.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:50 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:46 pm Different levels of short on time. I didn't have a kid in April last year, nor a paying audio project due in a week.

That's a bad example, and if I was certain you understood WHY I'm low on time this game, the timeline of my life and such, I'd say your comparison is dishonest.
Not everyone is keeping up with the speedchucks.
I'm not talking about how many posts you make or how long the posts are -- these are dependent upon time.

I'm talking about the words you use.

Which are affected by the time I have to consider them, dwell on them, and invest in them. Don't be obtuse.

This game is... running at about ninth on my priority list, where this time last year it would be maybe third or fourth. That takes some emotion/feeling/investment out of it.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:55 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:50 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:44 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:38 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 pm Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.
I actually wanna hear this
There's not much to hear, yo. You give me vibes. Even with this post you give me vibes.

"Someone suspects me!? I LAUGH! Tell me of this inconsequential suspicion, fellow townie, and we'll work it out over tea." It's, just, it doesn't feel genuine.
It comes more from a PoV of me having a civ role and transparently laying out my thoughts, which would make me believe I'm obvious town (I never filter my thoughts) and me never being mislynched in one year of mafia is also contributing towards this. I'd rarely been suspected as town so I have high expectation when such claims occur.

Ok, I got lynched once but that was when I was on a holiday at the sea and I didn't care enough to stress myself
Too calculated a response. Bad.

I mean, if you're seriously genuine here, then you have an ego the size of a train and self-analysis out the butt. It doesn't read like transparently laying out thoughts.

So hey, if you never get mislynched, and we lynch you today, then you must be scum, right? Otherwise you wouldn't get lynched.

In case you wanted to look for it, this started my early suspicion of Ted. That never went away. I still feel Ted is scum.

I feel nothing about Colin, which is a bad sign.

I would lynch TH before Jay, to clear things up regarding their dichotomy.

Michelle still rubs me the wrong way, but I'm 50/50 on if that's just a different way of looking at the game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:21 pm There's the dilemma. At least five players for whom I have nearly no trust:

Turnip Head
ColinIsCool
tedxtr
Epignosis
speedchuck

I can think of a reason to give civilian credit to other people. This disregards Tranq, who is a total shrug.

That's a pretty good POE TBH, with 14 players left? Or do you assume some deep cuts?

And why isn't Tranq on the list?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:07 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:03 pm I'm probably not, come to think of it. Though I do get invested sometimes.

I recognize that you're looking for that investment, a genuine desire for hunting perhaps. You're not going to find that much from me this game. You can check my other town games in the past six months and see what you see there, on the flipside. When I don't have time, I don't have much at all.
I don't fault you for being short on time and having less overall to offer. That's the way it goes. What I do think is different for This Speedchuck over Those Speedchucks though is your handling of suspicion. In the recent past, I remember you falling into similar POE positions where you were kind of a default suspect merely for not having a lot of content. Then, when someone tried to lynch you, you showed fire in your resistance to that.

You did it to me in the MU Season 6 Scrimmage when I was trying to mislynch you. You didn't shrug and say whatever. You fought back against a JJJ that you viewed as nefarious trying to take advantage of you. You've said that you suspect me in this game too (still not clear on why), and here I am now driving a wagon that threatens to end you. In response, I get no fire. I get shrugs.

Different levels of short on time. I didn't have a kid in April last year, nor a paying audio project due in a week.

That's a bad example, and if I was certain you understood WHY I'm low on time this game, the timeline of my life and such, I'd say your comparison is dishonest.
Not everyone is keeping up with the speedchucks.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:58 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:47 pm I'm not playing to please, and I'm not playing with a loaded deck of time. I'm not playing with 'feelings', whatever the heck JJJ means by that. Though I did have an earnest case against Tedxstr in the early game.
This is just hard to believe, this notion that you're baffled by my expectation that emotion should be visible. This is ordinary Mafia hunting stuff, not some novel attack that I've invented for the 2019 GOC. Your sarcastic orange thing before that reinforces the idea.

I actually don't think I remember you being an emotional bad guy. If you can recall an exception or counter-example, point the way.

I'm probably not, come to think of it. Though I do get invested sometimes.

I recognize that you're looking for that investment, a genuine desire for hunting perhaps. You're not going to find that much from me this game. You can check my other town games in the past six months and see what you see there, on the flipside. When I don't have time, I don't have much at all.

I'm not playing to please, and I'm not playing with a loaded deck of time. I'm not playing with 'feelings', whatever the heck JJJ means by that. Though I did have an earnest case against Tedxstr in the early game.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:45 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:38 pm What do you think now about Speed?
He is in my POE.

speedchuck’s place in this game for me has been to exist. He is here, he is somewhat involved, and I generally don’t feel much from it. While I cannot confidently call him a mafioso, I have no reason to call him a civilian either.
Glad to hear that.

As I alluded to here, I've succeeded at my goal this game with the limited time I've had. I've been involved, I've existed, I'm a person that can be read and can be counted on to vote. But I'm not going to make anyone 'feel' this game.

linki:

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:44 pm If speedchuck votes for himself we can lynch him

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:20 pm I see a faint sliver of emotion when Colin responds to suspicion. I see a dead fish when speedchuck responds to suspicion.

Yes, I always have dead emotions when I'm a baddie.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:54 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:32 pm Tedxtr - toneread, for his bluster in the early stages of the game.
TH - compatibility with scum wagons
JJJ - keeps making me do things
These aren't reads

I elaborated on the tedxtr read when I had it. I don't have time today to remake cases. Go find it in my iso, it's not that long.

Meh to everything else. You didn't ask for reads in the first place.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:11 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:32 pm Oh heck yeah we're lynching colin and I've read like one of his posts. I'm cool with taht.
self aware scum still scum

Sure buddy, sure.

[VOTE: Colin] aubergine

Oh heck yeah we're lynching colin and I've read like one of his posts. I'm cool with taht.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:57 am Every time I look at speedchuck's posts with renewed motivation to find some kind of spark of something, I still emerge with a shrug. The most significant contribution he has provided recently, to my memory, was his dig at Nanook for the "you trust me for the wrong reasons" thing. I think that was technically a "valid" suspicion, but it was also not much of anything in the context of a Day 5 pursuit. It's all so vacant of feeling. It's a cadaver.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:18 pm Turnip Head
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr
Apart from dear departed Nanook, what do you hate most about these people?

Tedxtr - toneread, for his bluster in the early stages of the game.
TH - compatibility with scum wagons
JJJ - keeps making me do things

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:24 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:26 pm TH and Speedchuck stand out as the players with the weirdest reaction to Mac vs Sig. That is, TH voted SIg, then tried to switch to me. Speed flip flopped between Sig and Mac.
I only jumped between the two of them on a utility standpoint. Like, which one is better to lynch first.
speed, why did you go back and forth twice if the decision was purely mechanical (I think thats what you're saying but correct me if I'm wrong)?

People were chatting with me about it and changing my mind as to which was better to lynch first: Sig for role mechanics or Mac to confirm the slip. It didn't matter much. You can go back and look at the context if you want, it's not like I was shady about it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:26 pm TH and Speedchuck stand out as the players with the weirdest reaction to Mac vs Sig. That is, TH voted SIg, then tried to switch to me. Speed flip flopped between Sig and Mac.

I only jumped between the two of them on a utility standpoint. Like, which one is better to lynch first.

[VOTE: Tedxtr] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:45 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:38 pm What do you think now about Speed?
He is in my POE.

speedchuck’s place in this game for me has been to exist. He is here, he is somewhat involved, and I generally don’t feel much from it. While I cannot confidently call him a mafioso, I have no reason to call him a civilian either.

Glad to hear that.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:50 pm @JaggedJimmyJay @Epignosis @Michelle @Sloonei @speedchuck @Tranq @Dom @TonyStarkPrime @juliets @ColinIsCool

Does anyone townread TH? He seems to be the most consensus suspect and I would rather agree to focus elsewhere and lynch him via secret ballot if there's no way he's escaping lynch anyway.

So speak now so we can organize this.

I haven't read the thread but this sounds splendid

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:16 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:31 am
Dom wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:14 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:33 am Also JJJ and turbup probably aren't scum together, at least. :P

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine
...why?
Suddenly they don't want to lynch each other now that Mac and sig aren't around.
Fair point.

But I feel like they could have done better here. If this whole thing was to create distance, it was stupid. We're in multiball. Distance from scum isn't a clear. The cases they've made on each other just make them both look worse.
Tell me more about that last sentence.

... Oh I see where you can misconstrue that.

Your case on TH makes them look worse. Their case on you makes you look worse.

The distance doesn't matter because of multiball. End result: Net not-as-good.

Granted TH's case on you wasn't as strong as the reverse, IMO, having just looked back at it.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:14 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:33 am Also JJJ and turbup probably aren't scum together, at least. :P

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine
...why?
Suddenly they don't want to lynch each other now that Mac and sig aren't around.

Fair point.

But I feel like they could have done better here. If this whole thing was to create distance, it was stupid. We're in multiball. Distance from scum isn't a clear. The cases they've made on each other just make them both look worse.

Also JJJ and turbup probably aren't scum together, at least. :P

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:05 pm I'm going to chase something things..

speedchuck;

Who is bad and who is good?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:18 pm speedchuck

Dom
Jackofhearts2005
G-Man
Epignosis
juliets

ColinIsCool
Sloonei
TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

Michelle

Turnip Head
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr

sig

Something like that. It's difficult, since there are two teams, and there are multiple players in there I don't recall reading any posts from. Lots of players in this game. Proposed players for each team would be harder still.
I think my individual takes are probably more useful.

Nanook being out of the picture really doesn't change things much.

okay I was wrong

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:57 pm I may not self-preserve. If I am so suspicious that I am out-pacing a confirmed mafioso in the poll, then y'all need to get past me.

I suspect you and I'm still confused.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:28 pm Like...you can’t just hunt off tone in multiball or net wolves lynched.

I lead several wolf lynched in Mass Effect and was furry af.

Watch me.

I'll still include compatibility analysis in my reads. *cough* OTHER people's compatibility analysis. That doesn't mean I'll keep track of who is on what team.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:22 pm Gth, who are the remaining players on each mafia.

Keep in mind that Drago is dead...

No wonder I hadn't heard much from him.

I haven't really been doing 'who on each team'. It requires interactive analysis and teammate compatibility, and I haven't paid enough attention for that. It's simpler for me to just mark down the players I think are scum based on the way they act in thread, and on possible links to one or more baddies. I can ignore incompatibility because hey, if someone is incompatible with Mac they can still be compatible with sig.

If you want me to build a world for you, I'd just build it based on what others have said because I ain't got time for all that. So I won't waste our time.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:13 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:59 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:07 am Of the six Jay voters, Tony, Dom, Epi, Tranq, TH and myself, I only see the potential for two of them to even be baddies.

Of the six Sig voters, Ted, Michelle, Speed, Nanook, Sloonei and Juliets, I have mixed feelings about all of them.
Is it two of the T's? Which ones?

As for the wagons themselves... I'm okay with lynching Jay, but not lynching sig seems really weird.
Tranq and TH.

Can you give us a rainbow or proposed players for each team? I’m picking up your opinions on specific issues but not where you’re at overall.

speedchuck

Dom
Jackofhearts2005
G-Man
Epignosis
juliets

Dragomir
ColinIsCool
Sloonei
TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

Michelle

Turnip Head
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr

sig

Something like that. It's difficult, since there are two teams, and there are multiple players in there I don't recall reading any posts from. Lots of players in this game. Proposed players for each team would be harder still.
I think my individual takes are probably more useful.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:02 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:57 am
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:15 am Looking at the sig wagon, aside from Colin I could see speedchuck as a possible addition. My town lean on him is stemming more from his sprityo post in our other thread than his entire ISO. I'll take a look at his ISO but I think that will probably be tomorrow unless someone see's this as urgent.
ThAt'S a BaD rEaSoN tO tOwNrEaD mE
I agree that it's not great but it had such an impact on me. Anyway, as I said above I will reconsider you looking at your whole ISO. Is there a reason some of your letters are capitalized?

I'm making fun of someone else. Don't worry about it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:07 am Of the six Jay voters, Tony, Dom, Epi, Tranq, TH and myself, I only see the potential for two of them to even be baddies.

Of the six Sig voters, Ted, Michelle, Speed, Nanook, Sloonei and Juliets, I have mixed feelings about all of them.

Is it two of the T's? Which ones?

As for the wagons themselves... I'm okay with lynching Jay, but not lynching sig seems really weird.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:15 am Looking at the sig wagon, aside from Colin I could see speedchuck as a possible addition. My town lean on him is stemming more from his sprityo post in our other thread than his entire ISO. I'll take a look at his ISO but I think that will probably be tomorrow unless someone see's this as urgent.

ThAt'S a BaD rEaSoN tO tOwNrEaD mE

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:36 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:16 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:14 am The ironic thing is that people scumreading me think I'm the AM and my actions are more compatible with being on the Master team than the AM team tbh
So you're saying you're being suspected for the wrong reasons?
Yes.

You get it.

I still think this is a bit scummy, but I laughed at it too. I like you guys and hope you both get lynched.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:41 pm Well, I assume sig is dying, which is fine, but I don't think that's the smartest play. I'm not around much to cause a bit of noise, but oh well

Wait really.

Epi might be in bed but does any person here (other than Sig) know why it might not be the smartest play to lynch sig?

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:26 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:22 pm I scumread everyone with a vote right now. Ahhhhhh multiball.
Ok, why does multiball matter when you suspect everyone with a vote? In the purest sense, it’s still an either-or, black-white, good-bad situation if you are a civvie. This feels like it’s for show.

Because some of my scumreads are not compatible to be on the same team with each other.

I don't care if you think it's for show. I'm amused that all the wagons right now are lynches that could compete with each other, yet could also all be scum.

I scumread everyone with a vote right now. Ahhhhhh multiball.

Spoiler: show

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:55 pm I'm doing school junk at the moment, but I'll throw my Day 0 beef with ted back into the mix because it may be relevant again:

Spoiler: show
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:09 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:02 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:58 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:54 am Swag can’t be identified just felt

It’s just fancy code names for tone reads

Epi was awkward in his exchange with J and you have good tone

Are you gonna get anything from my alignment out of me developing why a tone is good / bad for me? I don’t even think I can do that tbh, it will turn out to be an incoherent chaining of words that don’t help anyone to read me

I just wanted to throw my suspicions out and let people know who I’m observing. It’s page 2 reads anyway, it’s some place to build from.
Tone reads always have underlying reasons.

I can't tell you what I'm going to get out of anything. I do things so we can all see what happens. Do you not want me to ask you questions?
How’d you twist me explaining why tone reads are holistic and are really subjective into me not wanting you to ask me questions lol. My point was that it’s an unproductive way of sorting me, not that I wouldn’t want you to ask me questions lol

Regarding J’s request, i’ll do it some time later prob in like 30 minutes idk i have class

Cyaaaaa
Your bottom two paragraphs read like you don't want to be part of this conversation. "Don't ask me to explain these things, just accept them." I will read you, one way or another, based on what I can glean from your activity. This is our first real mafia game together. My thing is that I ask people questions. Your answers will always tell me something.

Linki: stop posting, dickbutts.
I gave ted a generic Day 0 prod and he responded more defensively than I would have expected. "I just wanted to throw my suspicions out and let people know who I’m observing" felt particularly out of place, since the nature of my initial question was "can you explain the reads you just shared?"

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:50 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:44 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:38 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 pm Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.
I actually wanna hear this
There's not much to hear, yo. You give me vibes. Even with this post you give me vibes.

"Someone suspects me!? I LAUGH! Tell me of this inconsequential suspicion, fellow townie, and we'll work it out over tea." It's, just, it doesn't feel genuine.
It comes more from a PoV of me having a civ role and transparently laying out my thoughts, which would make me believe I'm obvious town (I never filter my thoughts) and me never being mislynched in one year of mafia is also contributing towards this. I'd rarely been suspected as town so I have high expectation when such claims occur.

Ok, I got lynched once but that was when I was on a holiday at the sea and I didn't care enough to stress myself

I got an overdefensive vibe from this too, and I am likewise bringing it up for relevance.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:09 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:57 pm I’ve argued against town reads on myself as town before.
Why though.
Sometimes because I don’t want things about me to be misconstrued, other times because I want to get a better read on the person reading me.
omigawd nuance.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME It looks like you need to show me where you talked about the reasons to townread you.
Find them yourself. It’s just as hard for me to find as you.

Hell no. At least you know what day that was. You have 11 pages of posts.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:19 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:19 pm I wish we got three lunches out of the inception thing
scrolled down from the post where Juliets talked about me and I found this post.

Explain me why you would want me dead (because I was in our 6 thread top wagon with 3 votes) and how is this a villagery thought.

Btw.. who would be the third lynch in your fantasy 3 players lynched in inception thing?

I still suspect you to some extent.

The third player would have been Sig.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:33 pm How about a non-speedchucker tell me something about ted.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:57 pm I’ve argued against town reads on myself as town before.
Why though.
Sometimes because I don’t want things about me to be misconstrued, other times because I want to get a better read on the person reading me.

omigawd nuance.

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] It looks like you need to show me where you talked about the reasons to townread you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:57 pm I’ve argued against town reads on myself as town before.

Why though.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:44 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:11 pm
Spoiler: show
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:46 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:33 am People that are claiming sig has to be scum and aren't questioning why he couldn't have just TMI as a town role (which is the only thing dys' case can be even pointed to, but I don't think that's even a viable probability) is weird. Juliets' vote stuck out like a sore thumb. She went hard on him for no reason, just based off this nonsensical case, and her calling sig desperate so early feels really fake. Moreso, claiming she read his ISO but holding him accountable ONLY for this slip thing is wolfy.
I hate the entire premise underlying this dig on juliets. "You are suspecting sig for the wrong reasons" -- he gave her a bunch of crap for her focus upon the Dizzy-borne "slip" theory against sig instead of whatever other theories were available. I have three gripes:

1) juliets was hardly the only person placing heavy emphasis upon Dizzy's ghost theory. He pulled her out of a hat. She has had vaguely negative energy from various other players all game long, and it makes her a prime target for this kind of bullshit.

2) There is nothing inherently wrong with that theory being the focus. This mindset looks fake.

3) tedxtr insisted more than once that the "slip" could be explained via town-TMI as much as mafia-TMI. I frankly think that's incorrect.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:23 pm Self voting is typically NAI, and not usually worth reading into unless a player has a (meaningfully large sample size) history of only doing it as one alignment.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:28 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:26 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:23 pm Self voting is typically NAI, and not usually worth reading into unless a player has a (meaningfully large sample size) history of only doing it as one alignment.
I'm just going off mac's history of fighting for his life as town. He fights as wolf too sure, but in this case I'd buy that he is tired of how the game has been going for him and figures his best chance at a win is sacrificing himself and letting his teammates go on. (and maybe he figures if he resigns to being lynched we're less likely to figure out who those might be -- though ofc some people are still defending him, but that doesn't make them his teammates)
Or he’s town sick of this shit. It’s NAI

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:29 pm To be clear I think he’s a wolf, I just don’t think that’s why he’s a wolf

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:49 pm I also think anyone hard pushing the “mac has given up, lol gottem” line should be under a close microscope tomorrow
"Sig can be scum, but don't read that because of the slip."
"Mac is scum, but but don't read that for the self-vote."

The circumstances are different, as Nanook didn't go hard against anyone for it, but I still think this is scummy.
I guess I’m scummy for arguing with people that they were TRing me for bad reasons too

Yes? Yes, that is scummy. It would be scummy even by itself. I didn't even see you had done that, so thanks for pointing it out.

There are plenty of scum motives for arguing about your own townread, and few town motives. One of those scum motives is that you can bank on your honesty and objectivity for credit, as you are here. Another scum motive is to talk about your own townread instead of talking about anything useful. (You know your alignment and know what you want to present it as, so anything you say about it is pretty pointless.)

On top of that, this particular post just deflects my observation without accounting for it, tossing sarcasm and misdirection out there.

It's not a slam dunk, but I believe Nanook is scum.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:46 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:33 am People that are claiming sig has to be scum and aren't questioning why he couldn't have just TMI as a town role (which is the only thing dys' case can be even pointed to, but I don't think that's even a viable probability) is weird. Juliets' vote stuck out like a sore thumb. She went hard on him for no reason, just based off this nonsensical case, and her calling sig desperate so early feels really fake. Moreso, claiming she read his ISO but holding him accountable ONLY for this slip thing is wolfy.
I hate the entire premise underlying this dig on juliets. "You are suspecting sig for the wrong reasons" -- he gave her a bunch of crap for her focus upon the Dizzy-borne "slip" theory against sig instead of whatever other theories were available. I have three gripes:

1) juliets was hardly the only person placing heavy emphasis upon Dizzy's ghost theory. He pulled her out of a hat. She has had vaguely negative energy from various other players all game long, and it makes her a prime target for this kind of bullshit.

2) There is nothing inherently wrong with that theory being the focus. This mindset looks fake.

3) tedxtr insisted more than once that the "slip" could be explained via town-TMI as much as mafia-TMI. I frankly think that's incorrect.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:23 pm Self voting is typically NAI, and not usually worth reading into unless a player has a (meaningfully large sample size) history of only doing it as one alignment.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:28 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:26 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:23 pm Self voting is typically NAI, and not usually worth reading into unless a player has a (meaningfully large sample size) history of only doing it as one alignment.
I'm just going off mac's history of fighting for his life as town. He fights as wolf too sure, but in this case I'd buy that he is tired of how the game has been going for him and figures his best chance at a win is sacrificing himself and letting his teammates go on. (and maybe he figures if he resigns to being lynched we're less likely to figure out who those might be -- though ofc some people are still defending him, but that doesn't make them his teammates)
Or he’s town sick of this shit. It’s NAI

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:29 pm To be clear I think he’s a wolf, I just don’t think that’s why he’s a wolf

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:49 pm I also think anyone hard pushing the “mac has given up, lol gottem” line should be under a close microscope tomorrow

"Sig can be scum, but don't read that because of the slip."
"Mac is scum, but but don't read that for the self-vote."

The circumstances are different, as Nanook didn't go hard against anyone for it, but I still think this is scummy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:37 pm I have determined by way of assessing juliets bullshitters that tedxtr is bad.

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:12 pm Am I overreacting or making a point????

The latter. I suppose that was unclear.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:06 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:06 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:05 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:04 am General question for everyone in this game:

If you find juliets suspicious, why do you find juliets suspicious?
Why do you give a shit about this?
Because I am fairly certain there is at least one bullshitter trying to ply her as a suspect.
Sounds like you have a suspect that isn't speedchuck.

I read this post and assumed that Jay had dunked on me with tons of analysis and tunneling, somehow without notifying me in mentions or quotes. I went back to look, and didn't find much at all.

My 1st reaction was that Dom is clearly overreacting.
2nd reaction is that, well, that was kinda Dom's point. There's nothing to really react to, even though I'm Jay's number 2 suspect (not including Sig). Even Jay's on analysis says 'meh, compatible.' Is the game really that towny?

All that said, Jay just spent 48 hours in an echo chamber where I was the only suspect other than maybe michelle. So. That influences your mindset.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:59 pm
Tldr roughly tiered rainbow

Jack
Dom
-
Gman
juliets
-
TH
speed
nanook
Epi
-
Colin
Tranq
-
Sloonei
Tony
Michelle
-
Ted
Jay

This whole f**king rainbow is red.

Yeah Jay and TH are not town/town.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:19 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:17 pm Jay-- put Turnip and sig aside.
Who do we lynch?
Gun to my head lynch choice: speedchuck

*snort*

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