The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:54 am Lol actually I was shading both wolves. I’m gonna say “actually” and claim it makes me town from now on @speedchuck

I was right, BTW. You were using that word to paint them as suspicious. It just so happened that you were doing it subconsciously/on purpose because you were right about them.

Sorry about getting you lynched.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:05 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:10 pm Leetic and Nova are town mvps. Both played a big part in DDL’s lynch, which allowed Leetic to go on and confirm two townies.
You were great. Sorry for lynching you
Speed was town, too, so it worked itself out.

I thought I might be wrong, but eh. End result was the same.

Good game, all! Steely Dan and Vault Hunt are both REALLY close to full!

[VOTE: Juliets] aubergine

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:10 pm You should have let Juliets and Mac answer and react. I'm not a Motion Detector obviously.

My bad

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:31 pm I'm a Motion Detector and I can target someone to see if they performed an action which you did last night.

Heist games are limited to three roles.

We have a claim of Motion Detector, of Inventor, and of Jailkeeper. Jailkeeper is verified.

Three town power roles. All that against 2 scumpeople? Maybe. I guess.

If Nova is telling the truth, either Juliets is scum or she has a town role of some sort and Mac is lying scum.
If Nova is not telling the truth, he is scum.

Waitwaitwait.

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention] Let's assume that you, Mac, and Leetic are our three power roles. How did I not receive anything last night? Can't have a roleblocker. How did Juliets act? Can't have another civvie town role.

Something is screwy.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:11 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:07 pm Let me rephrase:

If the jailing doesn't take effect BEFORE the kill, then it can't block the kill on anyone. There would have to be a specific clause "does not effect mafia" for me to be scum.
You could still be a strongman though so slow down there partner.

Sure. I suppose that makes sense.

Weird for balance, but it makes sense.

Let me rephrase:

If the jailing doesn't take effect BEFORE the kill, then it can't block the kill on anyone. There would have to be a specific clause "does not effect mafia" for me to be scum.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:28 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:20 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:13 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:58 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:34 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:24 pm He was jailed last night, and no you haven't missed anything. Mac has been pretty apathetic
So you're saying that leetic jailing him would override him killing leetic? What makes you think that?
I'm leaning there yep. 'Cause it makes the most sense.
How does it make the most sense? It doesn't make sense to me. Why would his power go through if he was killed?
Action resolution.
Did you ask Epi about this? And he told you if someone killed someone else their power would still go through?

What's the point of the power if it doesn't block kills?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:01 am What kinda porn?

Zootopia.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:12 pm Spill the beans. You either received something or didn't.

I have gotten no PM about it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:54 pm What am I meant to be reporting exactly?

What did you do?

Also RIP leetic!

Mac, report!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:05 am But for real, it's Juliets.

I think you're probably right. Even if I get lynched, Juliets should probably get lynched after.

We'll see how the nightkills and actions go.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:25 pm Speed if it isn't you, who is it?

I don't know. I'll do my best to find out.

Between Nova and Juliets. We'll figure it out tomorrow even if I need to be lynched first.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:59 pmWhat

Was I not clear?

Like, if Jack is scum, it doesn't matter which of us get lynched first. He'll get lynched, and town wins.

If he isn't scum and he gets lynched today, I'll get lynched tomorrow, and I'll have to lay the groundwork for LYLO.

If he isn't scum and I get lynched today, Jack can lay the groundwork for MYLO and he can probably do better than me because I'm in another game and have a REALLY busy weekend planned.

So

Basically if Jack is scum it doesn't matter who you lynch first
If he's town you should lynch me first. Hypothetically.

Make sense? I'm not going to self-vote because people flip out over it, but you guys are welcome to lynch me first if you promise to lynch Jack tomorrow. It would be better.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:58 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:53 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:43 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:39 pm Jack is bad yo
You'll lynch Speed when I flip town?
I will.

I might lynch him today
It's cooler if you lynch him today but it's not a bd as long as he goes.

Honestly if you guys want to lynch me today and Jack tomorrow that's fine by me too. He's put in so much more effort than me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:48 am One of my favorite things about Zootopia is that they take such care with animating background characters. You have scenes with dozens of background animals and they are all individually doing their own things that are painstakingly animated. In that Ox and Cheetah gif, there is a bear on the left doing the running man, a polar bear in the back taking a picture on his phone, a couple animals fist pumping, etc. There is no duplicated animation, nobody just standing doing nothing, no artificially unpopulated spaces to keep from having to animate these extra characters. It just shows what a work of love the movie is.

Zootopia is an awesome movie. Every little part of it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:42 am And one Wednesday Adams gif for if Speedchuck starts moaning about being lynched.

You won't be using that one.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:36 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:29 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:15 am Why the hell does DDL go after his partner for random voting?
Because who gets lynched for random voting? If this were just an aside and if the day had moved on or had ANYTHING ELSE happen, the vote would only have been an aside that 'proved' you two aren't aligned. Which you reinforced with your response.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:17 am It's Speed. 100% certain.
I'm not going to go into meltdown mode if I get lynched today. My thoughts are in the thread, and I'm going to feel like crap if I'm wrong, but it is what it is. I'm somewhat curious as to how genuine Jack's reaction would be when I flip as town.
It'll be like

and if I get lynched it'll be like

And if, hypothetically, I was scum?
(I just really like seeing Zootopia gifs, don't judge.)

linki: Get outta my head

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:15 am Why the hell does DDL go after his partner for random voting?

Because who gets lynched for random voting? If this were just an aside and if the day had moved on or had ANYTHING ELSE happen, the vote would only have been an aside that 'proved' you two aren't aligned. Which you reinforced with your response.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:17 am It's Speed. 100% certain.

I'm not going to go into meltdown mode if I get lynched today. My thoughts are in the thread, and I'm going to feel like crap if I'm wrong, but it is what it is. I'm somewhat curious as to how genuine Jack's reaction would be when I flip as town.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:00 pm It’s probably just Speed anyway. He admitted my behavior isn’t like SHP but his case is that I’m bussing just like SHP.

Reasons to scumread Jack:

-Juliets kill (jack is like alternate universe me, and I'd have done that [yes I know I might get lynched for saying this])
-'Actually' tell
-Full DDL suspicion doesn't come until the day lingers on the two of them for a long time
-Most of the rest of the game is cleared on either not knowing the number of scum or having a plausible role or just being sexy like Nova

The case has never been that you're bussing like SHP.
Just that you're bussing.

That said, I'm at like 45% confidence, and it looks likely that D2 and D3 will be speed and jack lynches in some order. Maybe if we lynch you first the game will end??

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:30 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:22 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:51 pm Speed/Jack

Lynch them back to back, and voilà!
Sure.

Coordinate night actions to verify Mac, and make sure Juliets and Nova are as good as they look. You should be able to do that in two day periods.
I look wonderful

But ARE you

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:51 pm Speed/Jack

Lynch them back to back, and voilà!

Sure.

Coordinate night actions to verify Mac, and make sure Juliets and Nova are as good as they look. You should be able to do that in two day periods.

Jailer.

Meh, I dunno.

Didn't Leetic claim AFTER the Sabie kill? [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] I completely misinterpreted your post.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:20 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:08 pm That is a fair criticism.

It’s really weird that we had two PR claims but Sabie was killed.
... weird mafia janitor thing?
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.

Mafia Leetic kills Sabie. She flips as a vanilla civ and he gets her real role to himself. He claims that role.

Or something. It just popped into my head. What did Leetic claim, again?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:08 pm That is a fair criticism.

It’s really weird that we had two PR claims but Sabie was killed.

... weird mafia janitor thing?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:32 pm Not really. I am in the weeds. Haven't really paid all that much attention at all. Only thing I am pretty sure of is my Lunalee civ read.

At this point that's share by most.

If you want easy things to give an opinion on...

What do you think of Leetic's claim?
What do you think of Nova's effort?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:05 pm I am gonna stick to my guns on speedchuck

Do you have a secondary suspect?

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:13 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:52 pm Jackofhearts2005
juliets
leetic
Lunalee
Macdougall
novaselinever
speedchuck

Things we haven't looked at for everyone:
Read based on interactions with DDL
Read based on Sabie nightkill analysis

I'm mostly curious what you think anyone (besides Mac) has to gain from specifically killing Sabie?
speed, why is leetic so high on your list? I must have missed it in my read.

That list is in alphabetical order.

Jackofhearts2005
juliets
leetic
Lunalee
Macdougall
novaselinever
speedchuck

Things we haven't looked at for everyone:
Read based on interactions with DDL
Read based on Sabie nightkill analysis

I'm mostly curious what you think anyone (besides Mac) has to gain from specifically killing Sabie?

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] Wanna do an exercise thing with me?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:41 pm The thing between you (Jack) and DDL, as I see it, started pretty non-serious. You just both kept doubling down and escalating.

You started with a fake momentary vote on him.

Then you voted mac.

He asked why, citing mac's one post.

You pushed that there needent bee a reason.

He said the vote was disgusting.

You pushed back.

He made a scummier post.

You declared him a wolf.

...

Wow, if the scumteam is Jack/DDL this is like a sitcom level of hilarious. Maybe it is a bit overblown.

Fixed.

The thing between you (Jack) and DDL, as I see it, started pretty non-serious. You just both kept doubling down and escalating.

You started with a fake momentary vote on him.

Then you voted mac.

He asked why, citing mac's one post.

You pushed that there needent bee a reason.

You said the vote was disgusting.

You pushed back.

He made a scummier post.

You declared him a wolf.

...

Wow, if the scumteam is Jack/DDL this is like a sitcom level of hilarious. Maybe it is a bit overblown.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:29 pm Cause I distanced? Read it again.

DDL got lynched for fake casing me.

I distanced from you in SHP, partly because Jay was all over both of us and partly because you and Luna had scum equity and Luna looked bad too.

I didn’t distance from DDL here. He suicided against me. It started with DDL against me, not the other way around.

Besides, do you know how exhausting it is to get a mafia win while alone for most the game? It is not my favorite thing to do.

I'll grant you that. The two games are not equivalent.

DDL made a bad case on you and you struck back. Are you positing that DDL would not make a bad case on a teammate? Or that, if he did, you wouldn't be the first to strike back?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:33 pm Like Jesus I did not mean to cultivate a meta where I can 360 no scope a wolf on D1 and it only makes me look bad.

I feel you there.

I was your first scumread in SHP. Your second post in that game was discrediting a (flimsy) townread of me.

I have no doubts that you would cut DDL's throat and toss his corpse under the bus if things started looking even slightly bad.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:19 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:15 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:33 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:29 am Acts like I’m going to kill him for suspecting me makes it look like he knows I’m town.
Explain this.
Cause why would I kill you if I was scum? You look worse than I do. I’d need to mislynch you.
First off I take offense to that. You look plenty bad.

Secondly I still don't know how that makes me look like I know you're town.
Tell me why DDL was lynched.

Because you distanced from him early like you do in every game and then LITERALLY NOTHING ELSE happened all day. Which you complained about. It left you and DDL as the only remaining points of interest.

I was a scummate of yours in SHP. I'm not giving you any credit for this lynch.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:15 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:33 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:29 am Acts like I’m going to kill him for suspecting me makes it look like he knows I’m town.
Explain this.
Cause why would I kill you if I was scum? You look worse than I do. I’d need to mislynch you.

First off I take offense to that. You look plenty bad.

Secondly I still don't know how that makes me look like I know you're town.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:12 pm Who reads the write-ups? A baddie

Screw you, the writeup was funny.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:45 pm "I've brewed a potion to make us all paranoid and hate each other," said Mamma. "When we drink, we will suspect and try to hang one another. Only two of us will be in cahoots!"

"Excellent work, Mamma," said Morticia.

"To our deaths!" said Gomez, and drank.

It is now Night 0. Nothing happens during this time. Day 1 starts at 7pm EST tomorrow.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:02 pm Not sure how Epi does it, but the natural action resolution I'm familiar with will have the FK fail if they block each other.

FK?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:57 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:54 pm Based on the roles 'revealed' so far, I'd say they possibly have a roleblocker? It would play better.
You're it?

Based on the roles 'revealed' so far, I'd say they possibly have a roleblocker? It would play better.

I'm just Occam's razoring. It's fun.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:11 am @sabie12 hi, I hope you can post today, I would like to know your thoughts. Come join the fun.

Don't feel like this person killed Sabie

The culprit is either Jack, or Mac is lying.

[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:52 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:51 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:11 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:49 pm I don't mind a DDL lynch either. Jack has made a salient point, and it's certainly a more conventional tell than what I spotted. :P

Plus I scumread DDL first.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:05 pm [VOTE: DDL] aubergine

April Fools!
This is the worst DDL vote I believe
What's my scum thought process in choosing to vote DDL, Nova?

I know these posts look bad with a lack of context. But with the particular timing being what it is, what do you see in there?
The though process of "let me not be on the counter wagon to my scum buddy".

What context are you talking about? They look just as bad within the context and the timing. I tied the wagons, and was trying to get Juliet to switch which she was considering. The optimal play for a scum buddy on Jack's wagon is to switch to DDL 'cause the best they'll get is a coinflip, especially for one that allegedly scum read him.

Or I could have just stayed on the counter... wagon...

Nevermind, I forgot when I voted. Fair enough.

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