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We laid a lot of groundwork for town to use to burn each other.Rej wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:38 pmnovaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:57 pm We did it my fellow cats.
Good game y'all. Thanks for hosting DDL.
Cats MVPs of the game, me included
(Notifications: 7)JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:11 pm First indication that you've been eliminated as a mafioso:
A) Reading original host post for an updated list
B) Checking the end of phase post
C) Receiving a PM from the host
D) Logging in and seeing 90 JJJ notifications
Seems pretty non-indicative of alignment because of that to me. Probably why two people are getting different reads over it.Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:01 pm Yeah, she was on me before switching off silently at some point in the last hour or two.
That was certainly not role-fishing. I don't see how it couold be. No one can give role indications at all, by the rules... and even if they could, I would not expect a rolechecker to just admit it.
The fact that one of the two baddies left tricks rolecheckers is something I wasn't thinking about. Originally, the post was going to be just A and B, and before I posted I thought, "Are there other options I could list?" It was a spontaneous addition, foolish in retrospect.
Anti-alignment becomes distancing and not voting for the scum wagon, according to JJJ, is considered a boon, because WIFOM.Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:06 pmI'm surprised to see the ways people get themselves to believe that the Day 1 lynch incriminates me rather than the opposite. I thought I'd be more at risk of a nightkill after that, not a lynch.speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:01 pm LC, nutella, Sprit, TSP, Dragomir, and Michelle. JJJ can be subbed in for either of the last two if I'm wrong about the reliability of character calls.
Oh no is it a salad
@JaggedJimmyJay It's your favorite, POE! Come get it, boy. *whistles*
Same.Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:58 amAlso, I've been on teams where I just don't give input to the kill, due to not being around, or not wanting my own personal stuff to influence game decisions for my team.speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:46 am This whole nightkill analysis based on character, devotion to the site and out-of-game closeness to TH is kinda angleshooty.
I know I can't condemn it, as I got caught up in it and the Mac/JJJ go has changed my perception a great deal, but I thought I'd put that out there.
Mac is town.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:48 amWater them changes of perception, sonny?speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:46 am This whole nightkill analysis based on character, devotion to the site and out-of-game closeness to TH is kinda angleshooty.
I know I can't condemn it, as I got caught up in it and the Mac/JJJ go has changed my perception a great deal, but I thought I'd put that out there.
'Caught up' is usually a promise of contribution. Shake the ants out of your pants, both of you.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:44 amFair
Just as delicious but not made in Australia?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:30 am Mac's suspicion of me is authentic. nutella's is Great Value brand Mac suspicion of me.
I'm not at home and this could not be more muddled.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:39 am I'm not interested in a Mac lynch, to be clear to the viewers at home.
No you don't. I'm still salty about Phenon Origins the first.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:33 amI have no desire to emotionally manipulate you or anyone else. I don't think that kind of thing is honorable Mafia play. If you've felt emotionally affected by something I have said, I am genuinely sorry. Your read can be whatever, but I am absolutely serious about this. I play the game above the belt.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:31 am For those playing at home Jay watched the recent game in which I was emotionally manipulated off my reads by wolves who called be dumb and I subsequently failed to lynch them btw. So if you don't agree that my points against him are bad then perhaps consider that he is using actual knowledge of my weakness against me here.
JJJ also ungave Rej shit?
Here he takes a Rej read I considered disingeneous and thought to give some validity to it. It's not all black and white. Never is. But I don't know if this makes JJJ look better or worse, given the subject. Just a little more consistent.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:27 amI agree that it's fallacious, though that's something I am thinking about. Rej has only played one game with me, and it was that one. So it makes some sense that he'd be inclined to assess me on that basis.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:20 amHe's banking all of his analysis on the one Persona game, which is fallacious as heck. "JJJ isn't doing things exactly like he did in P5" is not a case, it's a justification.
Sure, if yer a nob.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:57 pmIs the discomfort and waffling something to scumread there?speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:46 pm I don't want to lynch Fayt. Their posts imply a great degree of unfamiliarity with this whole mess. Is there something there to scumread aside from discomfort and waffling?
So have I but I wasn't paying attention. And also you were 3P I think.Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:23 pmI am not good with numbers but she hosted for me and we maybe played 2 or 3 games together. I feel like they were never full games.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:18 pmDo you have a past with Rej or is this just commenting on general scum behavior, with Rej trying to further conversation instead of letting you stay quiet?
So she also saw me from the perspective of host.
Ah, 'twas I who was making the joke. Picturing you as a self-important town fetishist getting your gob swiggening, while ignoring the context of your post. (As 'Tell me more' might as well be a catchphrase of yours by now)JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:20 pmMine was not a joke at all, so it certainly wasn't an obvious joke. "Tell me more" meaning "expand on your read" meaning "why" seems pretty obvious though.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:16 pm "Hard to buy speedchuck's progression in this obvious joke."
"How dare speed not buy Dragomir's progression in this obvious joke."
I have moderate suspicion there. Too much to dismiss, but I'm not married to it.Do you think Rej is bad?speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:16 pm Yes. I was mitigating your comment because I don't think it excuses the behavior. Meta reads are trash. And Rej just popped an 'interesting' tell a few posts ago, so that's juici. Where should I be moving?
Do you have a past with Rej or is this just commenting on general scum behavior, with Rej trying to further conversation instead of letting you stay quiet?
DoggoJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:08 pm Those who haven't already provided a read on speedchuck are now required by law to do so.
"Hard to buy speedchuck's progression in this obvious joke."JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:49 pmSpoiler: show
speedchuck gave me this "ew" in response to my prod of Dragomir. As soon as I provided the most obvious translation available ("why"), speedchuck bailed on the ew entirely. Rather hard to buy that progression.
Spoiler: show
Just mentioned this. Meh.
Okay, that's on me for using a term wrong. Can town not lolcat? (I thought the pun would work given the setup flavor)Spoiler: show
"whoa"
"self-destructing"
Nah
Spoiler: show
Orange: sure it's goofy, but speedchuck knows well that goofy and evil are not equivalent.
Red: this just looks fake to me at face value. Even if Dragomir is mafia, it's not "obvscum", and "lolcatting" would be essentially the same thing anyway. "Is Dragomir always mafia, or is he just mafia?"
Mac seems town to me today. He just comes off scummy because of his sparkling personality.Spoiler: show
Non-read on Mac with a built-in suspicion-by-default clause -- not an ideal response to Turnip Head saying why Mac is a cat.
Directed more at the people with suspicions of both players.Epi observed that speedchuck hadn't voted yet at this point. This then contributes to the negative environment for both players without meaningfully investigating their alignments. It's a question directed at everyone and by extension at nobody.Spoiler: show
Yes. I was mitigating your comment because I don't think it excuses the behavior. Meta reads are trash. And Rej just popped an 'interesting' tell a few posts ago, so that's juici. Where should I be moving?Spoiler: show
"small point in his favor" is meh. chuck's vote is still there with so sign of moving.
Same here buddyJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:23 pm I have far too little knowledge of where @speedchuck stands on most players.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:27 amI agree that it's fallacious, though that's something I am thinking about. Rej has only played one game with me, and it was that one. So it makes some sense that he'd be inclined to assess me on that basis.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:20 amHe's banking all of his analysis on the one Persona game, which is fallacious as heck. "JJJ isn't doing things exactly like he did in P5" is not a case, it's a justification.
I saw that he'd played a couple other games, but didn't notice specifically that.Because not Dragomir. Dragomir's current play feels scummy, but doesn't make much sense as scumplay on further reflection.
Felt like a disproportionate reaction, hardly worth noting at the time. But it's escalated to the point that he has a vote on you, and that read doesn't seem genuine. He's banking all of his analysis on the one Persona game, which is fallacious as heck. "JJJ isn't doing things exactly like he did in P5" is not a case, it's a justification.Rej wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:07 amGimme a break I cant ISO posts on mobile, can I?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:35 am @Rej what is your absolute favorite thing ever about sprityo in this here game thread?
I know you've already sorted me but I'm curious about this. I'm always curious about how I seem to be online vs. in person.
Only game I've seen you in you were a ubiquitous townread. Do you usually get scumread? Where? (perdon if this was already asked)
IDK Mac always comes off overtly scummy to me.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:33 pmThis post smells like a litter box. Paints quite a big picture of events. "Actually pretty scummy"? Mac is purring like a devilMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:24 pmI'll answer for him. Firstly, you have been actually pretty scummy. So for Rej to defend you is TMI. Rej has no reason to feel like you have been civvy enough to question the people casing him.Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:18 pmWhy? What about it strikes as TMI?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:20 pm Agreed with concern about Rej take. Potential TMI on Dragomir.
Rej is taking the opportunity to gain your trust by dismissing the case as incredulous, which is invariably how you would feel as a civ. In the event of a civilian flip of you he is distanced from the case making of a bad lynch, which is where people first look for wolves (even though it's usually never that simple).
Now, onto Fayt, who we have common ground on.
I like the idea here. I disagree, but I like it.Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:52 pm So here is why Jay is bad. First, these quick and fast reads he's throwing with cat and dog reads feel like an attempt to generate early town cred by coming in hot and strong with all that. The downside with this is that there's no expansion afterward from all that. There's a little reason given to the good Nutella read by I'm not really focused on that one. What I am focused on are the scum reads. They're thrown in there and that's about it. The Mac wolf read came and gone just like that, making it feel like there wasn't any actual thought process into it in the first place and the Turnip vote doesn't even look real. It just got placed in there.
Now my second reason against Jay is with how he's tackling me. He puts me rock bottom in his rainbow with a bright red like I'm strong read but my conversation with him didn't reflect that for me. It feels like he's still trying to decide on how to read me. That doesn't match up with my rainbow placement. The entire feel that I'm getting about him is that he's not wanting to drive. He wants to sit in the back and let someone else drive while he takes a few jabs here and there. Does that make sense?
My interpretation is funnier.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:47 amThat’s one interpretation!speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:24 amOoh yeah baby, call me town some more, that's the stuffJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:12 amHow dare you say “ew” to me.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:02 amEw.
Really tho what
The translation I was going for is “why”.
Ooh yeah baby, call me town some more, that's the stuffJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:12 amHow dare you say “ew” to me.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:02 amEw.
Really tho what
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:10 amcan i vote this guy in this day?speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:58 amThat's cool. I collect eyes.Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:45 amcats are talking about cats. afaik Scar the lion is just an oversized cat ^^JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:40 amWhat more can you tell me about this here thing?
i will keep my eyes on speedchuck
This game allows you to make poor decisions.
