The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Regarding wild speculation of Nifty as mafia, don't you think he would have killed me instead of Bob? I'm known for tunneling on town Nifty (though I think I've gotten better about this) so I'm dangerous for scum Nifty to have around.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

TonyStarkPrime wrote: I voted for Jack because I want him to claim, not because I necessarily want to lynch him. I didn't vote for Nifty because I don't think he needs to claim right now if he doesn't want to, I just think he has been pinging me so far today. Jack pinged me a lot yesterday by playing a rather unusual game and not acting as I would expect, but that isn't anything related to anything he said in game, especially today. The difference for me with Nifty is he, or at least my interpretation of him, seemed to want to lynch Epi just as much as everyone else did at the time, despite focusing post of his posting on him. To me, if he were town, I would call it tunneling, but when he moved his vote away it suggested to me that he had tested the waters and wanted to try moving away for a while.

I don't like his vote on me either, but I can understand it.

Is that all? I'd rather not but I've narrowed myself down to what? 8 characters? (I haven't played ME2 or ME3 so I don't know how many lady good guys there are off the top of my head.) Plus, given the setup, I don't think claiming is that big of a deal.

Who are you voting for if you aren't voting for me?

Can you explain the second bit, there? What did I do that you wouldn't expect or what did I not do that you would expect?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: There are many reasons to distrust Jack, but I feel that this whole rainbow issue seems off for both of you.

How so?

Dom wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Hey Dom, is Raven your teammate?

Raven mentioned you once as a civ read w/o any context nor prior interaction. I'd bet afew bucks that if he's bad, you're his teammate.

i am not bad and i don't have btsc with raven.

Fredwood wrote:

Dom wrote:

Fredwood wrote: Dom - I really have no clue. The bulldoggedness about Jack's "rainbow slip" feels silly. But unless someone can tell me otherwise, it feels like tunneling and tunneling is kind of townie no? If I'm wrong let me know and I'll change my assessment on tunneling, I never really know what to make of it, INH tunneled on Diz last game and he was a neutral.

y ignore half of case?

To clarify, I'm not ignoring half the case, the fact that the whole Rainbow thing IS half your case is confusing to me. Just doesn't make much sense as a line of questioning/pressure. Jack is clearly on my ping list.

You did entirely mischaracterize what I pushed though.


I'm asking Jack to play ball on the nutella/mp issue. He reverts back to the rainbow issue time and time again. I wonder why.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Dom wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Dom wrote:gfish when did you change your vote?


jack-- wh ywon't you play ball with me?

Originally because I misunderstood your beef and thought you were being ridiculous.

Currently cause I'm at work and swamped. Also you quoted like five people and I'm on mobile.

We can play later, though.

wait you simply misunderstood my allegations on nutella/mp?
elaborate and explain pls

I misunderstood your "he didn't make a rainbow" bit.

I thought you meant you were just so sure I was lying that you knew I was lying about making a rainbow. I considered you unconvincable and thus not worth engaging.

Rather, you thought I was saying I used hexcode (or whatever it's called) to make a colored rainbow in the quickreply and you thought I wouldn't do that so you thought I was lying. You're right that I didn't do that. I understand why you even thought I was claiming that. But it's pretty obvious that I wasn't claiming that.

Was that not clear?

Answer the question asked not the one that you want to answer.

Fredwood wrote:

TonyStarkPrime wrote:

Fredwood wrote:

TonyStarkPrime wrote: 2. I, before today, was confident that Nifty was town, but today his posts seem like he is fishing for an easy lynch if he can get it. I don't like that, especially considering I don't feel he has adequately clarified that suspicion well.


Vote on JOH, who I am pretty sure is scum

Says someone is scummy for trying to go after easy lynches, votes for an easy lynch.

Hypocrisy! Get him!
I don't have a problem with Nifty voting for Epi, I have a problem with Nifty trying to get others to vote for Nifty.

Isn't that the whole point of the day phase? Wilgy is trying to get people to vote for Gfish and IR, is that scummy?

Why did you vote for Jack instead of Nifty then? You laid a vote down on Jack with no explanation, but gave a reason to vote for Nifty but didn't.

Fredwood wrote:

TonyStarkPrime wrote: 2. I, before today, was confident that Nifty was town, but today his posts seem like he is fishing for an easy lynch if he can get it. I don't like that, especially considering I don't feel he has adequately clarified that suspicion well.


Vote on JOH, who I am pretty sure is scum

Says someone is scummy for trying to go after easy lynches, votes for an easy lynch.

gfishfunk wrote:since everyone is silent but I can see Immortal_Raven thumbing through the thread, I thought I would move my vote to him for pressure.

Immortal_Raven, three questions:

1. Why do you think there was one kill last night rather than two?

2. Who has been the scummiest this phase?

3. Who has been the least scummiest this phase?

Keep in mind, my vote in talk-incentive not hell-or-highwater lynch just yet.

gfishfunk wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Immortal_Raven wrote:
For what it's worth, I don't think bob got killed because people read him as civ. bob got killed because someone from the Realms told their buddies that the longer bob stayed around the worse it would be for them. Jack is prone to having the town turn against him, I_R was too quiet yesterday to be a factor in the decision, gfish was too suspect to be a good target. I'm never a N1 kill, I don't become dangerous until the midgame. Silver is also under a lot of suspicion and is likely to set himself on fire and take people with him. From a Realms perspective a non-faction cbob or adam are the best first night, and adam has been off his game.

That last paragraph is interesting. I'd like to hear some Realmsfolk weigh in on it.

I don't disagree, but I tend to believe that scum plays more opportunistically. My own first night kill targets tend to be more gut feel than a meta-analysis, other than staying away from players that have had hard runs or recently had night 1 deaths.

I think its more possible that scum teams comprised of primarily one side or another (syndicate v. hcrealms) would wind up targeting someone from the other site to avoid meta - especially since we discussed meta so heavily yesterday.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

TonyStarkPrime wrote:JOH, especially as town, has a history of contradicting himself in his search for mafia. Any inconsistency definitely needs to be looked into, and I think SVS definitely has a valid question, but I tend to not put too much stock into how much Jack's statements contradict themselves and more into what his general sentiment is and what he thinks about the meta of the game.

Buddying?

I don't think this is true.

I swear I'm good at mafia you guys.

Dom wrote:

TonyStarkPrime wrote:

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey JOH, let's talk. You have plenty of content but for some reason I can't sort you out. Convince me why I should town read you.

it's because he doens't have many coherent thoughts.

He never has coherent thoughts as town. This is almost a good enough reason.

...so....i don't buy this, but elaborate pls.

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey JOH, let's talk. You have plenty of content but for some reason I can't sort you out. Convince me why I should town read you.

it's because he doens't have many coherent thoughts.

DrWilgy wrote:Ok, so I'm thinking we send LC to kill Bob while I'll role block MP.

S~V~S wrote:Quite a few people missed the vote

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Fuuuuu!

Syndicate saves full editor posts but not quick reply ones if the mobile page reloads.

I keep losing content.

I had a cheeky rainbow and everything.

S~V~S wrote:

TonyStarkPrime wrote:

Long Con wrote: 1. This would be the reaction that tickled my suspiciometer. Defensive, with a thin slice of OMGUS at the end.

I'm sure someone has already said something, but this is natural Silver. It is still Is valid reaction, but I don't put too much stock into it.

So tell me the difference between *town* Silver defensiveness and overreaction and *baddie* Silver defensiveness and overreaction reaction. There must be one, and if he is town he will welcome it being put out there.

gfishfunk wrote:Here is an idea. (I post them as I think of them)

Post ONE player you think is likely town. Very simple. If you say yourself, I vote for you.

mine: colonialbob.

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote: Llama has MP done anything this game that indicates that he is bad? Are you bad?

MP is always bad. He just has that sort of luck with Random.org. No, I'm not bad. In fact, my first post of this game was to point that out.

I haven't actually rolled a bad role in ages now. I'm on a long stretch of town roles these days. I'm loving it.

So you're saying you're overdue...

Long Con wrote: 1. This would be the reaction that tickled my suspiciometer. Defensive, with a thin slice of OMGUS at the end.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:
Typical Day One involves me and Bob trying to lynch someone, Silver complains about it (although he'll likely join in more after playing two Syndicate style games) and everyone else just messes around. We needed to have Day Zero awhile ago imo.

We primarily deal with inactive players via special vigilantes that only kill non posters or by Jack rage quitting.