The Syndicate

Can someone else compile a list of the people reacting to Ramses now and cross reference it with the list of people reacting to him in the previous phases as such

Speedchuck:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:29 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine I have no idea why, I just wanted to not be on Dom for a minute.

Absolutely no reason for a scum speedchuck to do this. Like, absolutely none at all, unless he has also been dispatched to play with my thought processes. I might as well stop my ISO here.

I find his thought process struggling with nutella early on to be genuine. I find pretty much everything he says to be genuine. I came in with a paranoia and still maintain a healthy dose of it, but I struggle to actually substantiate it.

I maintain that since I am town and Vompatti was town, he also has no reason to switch the lynch from me to someone that nobody else can read if he is scum. The Fractal challenge has also been laid down for speedchuck, as I give him a I'M GETTING TIRED BUT HE'S TOWN

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:06 pm Colin literally what? I have absolutely been changing my mind a bunch this game. You're twisting me into what you want to see.

Could be. I would like someone else's input.

Sig:

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:28 pm OKAY SO! Alot of players didn't seem to do the requirement to tell a spooky story. Meaning they didn't read the rules smh at all those players

However, if a mafia member spotted this rule I'd imagine they'd post about it in their BTSC which would cause the rest of their team to follow it. SO I suggest we take a few seconds to look at the people who posted their spooky story in there first post and keep an eye on them for suspicious behavior.

Thoughts?

We've talked a lot about this little idea and I'm not sure where I stand on it. Whether it's a good idea or not is irrelevant; what is relevant is his motivation to do it. From the get-go sig is in game solving, "here's a big idea" mode. Does it look genuine? Is that something sig does as a townie, or is he less inclined to gamesolving like this? Someone else fill me in. Sig himself kinda does:

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:26 am The idea behind it is that I'm more tactical as scum and wanna look civvie so I read the rules since I care more about looking high speed/sup town.
Now Ik not everyone is like that and some civs read the rules but I've not read the rules as a civ since like my first few games here.

Kinda funny how that describes exactly what he's apparently talking about so maybe it is not a scum tell. I don't know.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:21 pm Though nutella seems a bit less in your face then she was in Upick and other recent games, so i'd say that's a bad look. Though she's busy so I'd not want to lynch her yet and she's exhibiting some civ meta.

linki: Agreed

I called up the linguistics department at the University of Buffalo and got myself a sig translator, who said this says "Nutella is bad, but, actually, Nutella is good." I told the professor I didn't understand that, but they told me they were just an imaginary device I was using to write this post.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:35 pm I actually don't like TH play that much so far. He's being less off the wall, its almost like he's trying to copy that meta.

Except that earlier in the game sig called out TH for meme-ing too much because he associates it with his scum meta ... (or am I reading this wrong? My sig translator has gone on strike demanding that the philosophy department chair be drawn and quartered.)

I feel mostly good about the third page of sig's ISO onwards, but I am taken aback again at how much he just throws reads around all willy nilly. On one hand I think a town sig understands himself completely even if I don't, but on the other hand, I wouldn't put it past sig to use this perception to his advantage and make his posts contradictory in an attempt to confuse his opponents.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:42 pm No the dino is a civ ignore me

This in particular is either a scummer playing dumb in the thread or a genuine mistake on sig's part, and I'm inclined to take the latter.

I kinda think sig is good. He gets the GREEN BADGE OF KINDA THINK HE'S GOOD but I do leave open the possibility that I'm wrong about this one.

Scotty 2 Hotty:

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:17 pm You know what, I’m [VOTE: Colin] aubergine. He’s not the lowest poster but I think he’s using the idea of low/no posters on D1 as the safe route and his reasoning doesn’t even make sense

I don't agree with his conclusion but I do see why Scotty would be skeezed out by me D1. I wasn't really into the swing of things and wasn't taking my vote too seriously, which is maybe at odds with what he or others think of my town meta as. His later comments on my "duplicity" continue to move me in this direction. I don't see a scum Scotty hammering me for no reason if people don't take the bait better, so his vote yesterday on me makes him look the best, easily, of the first three I highlighted.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:55 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:49 am @Scotty Why is nutella still alive?
Because I didn’t get around to killing her. Sorry, forgot.

Also don’t see nutella as bad based on how the lynch yesterday shook out but I also haven’t caught up the last 3 pages. I’d rather join the LC wagon

[VOTE: LC] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:23 pm Juliets was most likely the recipient of the Dino with the racket. I saw someone questioning why she would be targeted and the answer to me is randomization. There’s no other reason to target her IMO.

So the dino probably knows who the actual kill target was.

Like I said I don't really agree with this notion, but I want others to weigh in.

Scotty is a lean, lean town to me. He gets a LEAN SLIMFAST MICROWAVE DINNER

Nutella:

I've already spoken on the initial nutella-hunting-Ramses thing, so no more of that.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:00 pm Hmm I can't decide if I think LC missing the vote is at all alignment indicative. Your other points on him are decent though, like Kyle he needs to get more in the game and give us thoughts.

A prod. Something I believe she accused me of later.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:42 pm You guys are making a mistake voting for me. I might not be right about speed or about lap for that matter but at least I am not holding back on stating an unpopular opinion. Why does that look bad?

Look at that last sentence. "Why does that look bad?" Is that a scumslip to your eyes? To mine, it could be. I don't remember if I said it in here or in Retro but I have a really bad tendency as scum to try and fight the shitty logic of someone's suspicions rather than their suspicion altogether when I am scum. That last sentence is, like, textbook doing that to me.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:51 pm Let's lynch LC and if he's bad juliets is his teammate. That's my new theory of the game k

More fuel for my Lunalee tinfoil.

Then there's her case on me. I don't think everyone who suspects me is scum, but I'm taken aback a little by what nutella decides is scummy. I'll give her the second quote but there's nothing suggestive scumminess to me about the third one (and I don't understand the charge of "ultimately unproductive") and she merely quotes my reaction to the flip with a negative smiley. Well, guess what bro, two can play at that game ...

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:08 pm Huh interesting. Rip juliets.

But is my doing that a real suspicion? Is it even accurate? What the hell does it even mean? It's an emoticon! It's not an argument, it's not a rationale, it's a near-Pavlovian suggestion that I'm bad. It's a nice try but it is the definition of meaningless content that looks like it has genuine belief behind it.

Honestly, though, the biggest tell for nutella here is very much what she is not doing. In Easter, I watched her battle her own self-doubt time and again as she offered up a ton of incompatible, discrete reads on targets, changing her mind and being consumed by the uncertainty that defines every townie experience. She rightfully admitted that that's the defining trait of her townie meta, even. In this game, she isn't doing that, at all. Maybe this is an unfair accusation to level against her, but go through her ISO and tell me if you see that or not. It suggests to me that she knows more than we do.

It's official folks. Strap yourselves in and start telling me why I'm tunnelling, because Nutella gets an I AM SENDING NUTELLA STRAIGHT TO HELL AT SOME POINT IN THIS GAME

Do you mean, if they were on the same Mafia team? Because I interpreted your statement as "One of Luna and Frac is scum" and "One of Speed and Frac are scum"

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:04 pm I'm liking Colin's lists so far and say I'd agree with him on everything including Luna. It's worth noting imo Luna and Frac aren't on the same team and neither is Speed or Frac.

I would love for you to substantiate these claims considering those are probably the consensus top 3 townreads from everyone if I'm reading the room correctly.

I'm taking a break from this, but I want people to really respond to these suspicions if they see things they like or disagree with strongly. I'm most curious in hearing what other people think about my tinfoil on Luna, if they can pin down Fractal in any way that I might have missed, and if they can provide insight on players where I indicated I couldn't.

Golden:

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:35 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:31 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:17 pm So we have this:

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:38 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:36 pm And im trying to feel like Epi and use complex things that make little sense to solve shush and let me have this moment. ;(
Maybe you should see if you an find a single instance of Epi catching baddies like that before you go whole hog on it.
I currently townread sig, but is LC the type to go after teammates like this?
Bet im right and that's why he went after me.

I'd say nutella is looking good so are the earlier voters on lc, whoever tied it, and golden. Ill need to reread vote but I'll bet we'll find mafia among the nutella voters
Don't give any credit to me. My vote was luck, I thought both looked town.

This is a pretty good look for Golden, imo. It feels honest, as do the rest of his posts on the matter, and while it would be hard for him to really take credit for the lynch, I do like this admission (while also tinfoilly disliking it for reasons I discussed in ... Blooper's ISO above? I dunno I'm doing too many of these at a time).

There's not a lot to go off of right now and I'm going to need to see more from him before I have a reason to read him badly.

Golden gets a SHRUG OF CONFIDENCE

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:52 am I warned y’all that Vomp wasn’t a good lynch target unless there was literally no better option. Dude has the most bulletproof meta ever.

I’ll be honest, both Nutella and Colin have me quite confused as to their alignment. If I had to guess, with a proverbial gun to my head, I’d say they were both civ.

That brief little list of possible scum reads I posted after LC’s death was mainly gut-based throwing-spaghetti-at-the-wall type stuff. It did weird me out how freaked out Scotty was by being named in it. Little bit too overly defensive IMO

On the road and phone posting, so I’m not sure how much I’ll be able to contribute to the discourse. I’ll leave everyone with this hot take that I really truly only 70% believe in: Marmot, Lapluie, Sig, Scotty. At least one of those people is bad.

Insta-Buddying of me (now available at your local Wegmans) given what I just posted? You be the judge.

David Njoku, #85 Tight End for the Cleveland Browns:

I've never played with Blooper so I have a mild apprehension for her posts, as well as a skepticism directed inwardly of my own apprehension. What I'm getting at is ... I dunno bro.

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:35 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:12 pm I'm gonna [VOTE: nijuukyugou] aubergine

Her greatest contribution thus far is stating that she dislikes when someone asks another player for their meta, and then she describes her meta as congruent between her civilian and mafia play.
Well, that answered my question about your vote when looking at the poll. And this is why I don't like questions about meta - I wouldn't win whether or not I chose to answer it, hence being backed into a wall. But fair enough - I chose to answer it as I did. I actually appreciate the suspicion from you and Luna - I'm noticed! It's sig's trust that weirds me out a little.

Obligatory Day 1 philosophy/early commentary: if none of you buggers catches my eye significantly, I will vote a very low poster. I'll repeat and re-repeat (in reference to other games I've played) that I'd rather lynch a nonplayer and get a chance of catching a baddie lying low than lynch a civ who's actually playing Day 1 because they talk. I'll be here, checking in and out, for a bit. Conversation is nice since I have time to do it, yay!

Marmot's vote was reasonable. Blooper's response is also reasonable, as are the other pieces of this post. T/T for now.

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:09 pm All right, I gotta go soon for Appointment #5343256 today (actually it's #4, but still that's a lot for one day), but I have caught up enough to give a vote.

@ColinIsCool, thanks for answering my question. Makes sense. I like gathering reads and reactions.

I see a linki for Golden - from what I see between the two, it's Luna's (I hope I'm right - I'm just typing from memory rather than going back meticulously through the thread) breakdown of LC's behavior. Missing the vote, contributing fluff, etc. I considered him, as well as lapluie again, for a vote, for being mostly absent and fluffy (awwww), especially lap - she disappeared after suspicion died pretty quick, but I also see others saying this is "normal" for her. I know LC's a busy dude, and the last couple of games I've played with him, he's been like this, IIRC. Mixed alignments, IIRCA (the A is for Again). But I don't like letting possible baddies lie low for long, busyness or "playstyle" or not.

I'm most pinged today, however, by nutella, especially in regards to suspicion of speedchuck. I get it - you're looking at his previous games as a baddie and playing at Supatown. But I found myself asking the same question as someone else (sorry, don't remember who, even though I think it's even on this page): since when did apathy indicate civvieness? I know I've been burned a few times by super active people fooling me into thinking they're good because of their activity, but I feel like I've been fooled more often by those lying close to the surface (literally and figuratively, different verbs).

Yes, my vote is slightly contradicting what I've just said about low-lying players (hell, even as I'm writing it, I'm second-guessing the crap out of myself, as this tie is more favorable than yesterday's IMO), but I'm going with nutella since I feel the stronger ping the more I read her.

(Do y'all want an aubergine with that? They're pretty all right, but I prefer squash in the summer.)

Good god the linki (yes I'm going to comment on it every time it happens)

I'm inclined to agree with Fractal that I like the honest admission of self-contradiction, but at the same time ... I do shit all the time as scum that might make me look bad and then call myself out for doing it precisely so you'll walk away thinking I'm honest. On the face of it, I have no reason to doubt what's happening in this post — the LC stuff may look sort of belabored, but it is also kind of just the vibe of the posting/thinking style I get from Blooper — so that might be tinfoiling.

The other thing to mention is that Blooper has been cursed. I think that this removes her from being Shirley, but the question should be: why Blooper? What's she done to deserve it, in your view? I don't know the answer to that myself.

Blooper/Njoku gets a TYROD TAYLOR FOOTBALL SCHOLARSHIP FOR BEING PRETTY GOOD

I think I was a little harsh on Kylemii above thinking more about it, his color probably shouldn't be orange.

Marmot:

Marmot has been very inactive in this game because he is allegedly climbing mountains, or whatever it is that marmots do. I have no idea what his scum game looks like, so more experienced minds are needed.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:12 pm I'm gonna [VOTE: nijuukyugou] aubergine

Her greatest contribution thus far is stating that she dislikes when someone asks another player for their meta, and then she describes her meta as congruent between her civilian and mafia play.

This is a pretty fair assessment, imo, and a reasonable vote to make.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:01 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:50 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:38 pm Has lapluie posted?
Not that I've seen.
She's checked into the scumchat. She should be here soon.

In Easter JJJ nearly lynched a town doc Marmot for "engaging in WIFOM" which is apparently part of his scum meta. It was wrong then, but note it here.

I understand his thought process for finding me suspicious on D1, so it's a good look for him. Beyond that, there is very little of substance to go off of.

Marmot gets awarded the LAPLUIE MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIP for needing to be active, but I feel townish for now.

Lunalee:

Luna's first pingy moment comes when she does this D1, after saying that she didn't like the idea at all and sort of walking it back but not really:

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:50 am I'm going to [VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine because I think it would be cool to try a randomized day one lynch, and DDL is the next one down on the poll who needs a vote.

She looks throughout D1 as if she is hoping somebody will just tell her to vote for so that she doesn't have to come up with a reason she knows is fake based on almost nothing. It's a perennial scum dilemma and not everybody handles it so well.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:34 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:31 pm
Spoiler: show
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:07 pm Part of the problem with my nutella pings is I notice them almost right off the bat - maybe not her first post but by her second or third I'm feeling uneasy. This time I haven't had that feeling at all. I'm not saying it's AI because I seem to be pinged by her when she is good and bad. Because I'm not pinged this time I'm neutral on her.
This post feels like teammates.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:20 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:13 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:55 pm So why are you voting Dom and not nutella?
Dom pinged me for other reasons. I've explained them earlier. Tonal meta.
@Marmot I may switch to Dom. I trust speedchuck is town, and he has a better read on Dom's meta than I do.
This post feels like bandwagoning.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:14 pm Agree here and if speed suspects Luna he's probably onto something
This post also feels like bandwagoning.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:17 pm My later posts say the opposite.

I've been burned too many times by Luna for underestimating her. I will not be doing that this game.
This post feels like legit frustration.

Gotta love couples in mafia games. So much delicious WIFOM to analyse, from themselves and others.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:05 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:40 pm
lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:38 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:13 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:09 pm laplui e hsnt done abything other than show up and say "aw beans" why does she have multiple votes
I think all the votes for her came before she complained about the beans.
Yeah seriously somebody explain to me why??? Barely said anything that looked sus yet I'm accused
I voted for you by default for not posting. Idk why others did.
I voted for the same reason lap. But now you are posting so I'm going to move my vote to the lowest poster nova who as far as I can see just posted his story and has posted nothing else. He was a low poster in a recent game I just played and was bad.

[VOTE: novaselinever] aubergine
This post feels like really lazy.

Civ Juliets is not lazy iirc.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:07 pm INH’s post tonally was so false to me that I don’t think I’ll be defaulting to nova.
I dunno about Dom. Hard to read I guess.
Epignosis is not in this game but if he was I feel like he's have stuff to nitpick about this word usage.

I think.

I guess.

I want to clarify something about my town meta, DDL. When I'm town I'm a lot more adventurous with my posts, sometimes at the risk of getting lynched early. Also If I were on a scum team with Marmot, I would not be communicating with him in thread like this, I would use our BTSC. I'm insulted that you think I would be that obvious.

Anybody else think the "I'm insulted" bit looks a little heavy-handed? As in, are you really?

The biggest thing in Luna's favor, imo, is that she essentially built the case against Long Con and deserves credit for his lynch. It's possible that the team made a conscious decision to bus him, and Luna did a fair amount of bussing in U-Pick as I recall, so we should examine whether those reasons are contrived:

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:27 am Long Con seems more excited about screaming at the music videos than posting real content, so I'm going to look at him for a second.

He shoots down sig's proposition on day 1, but come on, who didn't.
He missed the day one vote.
He ended up on DDL's list of screaming banshees, but I'm not convinced that means anything.
Put off replying to sig with what he thought about the day 1 lynch.
Continues to scream back at King Ramses
Asks speedchuck and Kylmii why they voted for him (on what I assume was the day one poll?).

Overall feel on Long Con: He seems lazy in this game, and not very helpful. I give him a read of probably scum.

Ask yourself this: looking at the same pieces of evidence, would you come to the conclusion that Long Con is "probably scum"? I sure wouldn't, but I want other people to know. If Luna is scum, this is incredibly crafty of her, but insufficient reasoning would betray her here. It's made even more complicated by the fact that she reads sig later on with more stuff to go off of but is hesitant to give him as convicting a sentence. Hmm hmm hmm.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:11 pm From what I see of nutella's posts, she is very set on getting speed lynched. And speed is trying very hard in this game, which makes him a threat to town. I don't like that look on nutella. She also seems needlessly concerned with the King Ramses sock puppet account. At this point I don't see a reason to be concerned with a sock puppet account that posts random weird videos. And she's voting Lapluie, who I'm also looking at. So they are probably not team mates.

Lapluie looks like low-hanging fruit to me right now. She had a bit of a slow start, and appears to be struggling to keep up. I don't have reason to think she's not town, and I don't want to lynch her today, but I'll definitely be keeping my eye on her.

In fact, after looking at lapluie's posts, if just makes nutella seem that much more scummy for jumping from speed to lapluie. It's like she realized speed wasn't going down easy, so she found a easier target.

This post though does ring true as far as what I know about Luna's town meta. It's a perfect 1:1 replica of her town thinking if she is not actually town, at least as I understand it.

The tinfoil is strong with this one. The tinfoil, pending further discussion, says Luna is on a scumteam with Long Con and they're playing a long con of their own by sacrificing him to earn our trust, and Luna was the point man carrying it out. The evidence does not directly confirm the tinfoil though and I have to say there are proooooooobably more town points than scum ones.

Lunalee has earned a RED BADGE OF COURAGE (BUT POTENTIALLY RED IN A REALLY BAD WAY, LIKE RED = SCUM)

Lapluie:

Lapluie has not posted enough for anyone to have a read on her. I do not believe anyone can really be pinged by what her ISO contains. She is a target for a lynch only as a matter of policy for me.

Lap gets a GRAY BADGE OF INACTIVITY

Kyle:

There isn't a lot to go off with Kyle. As I said earlier it feels like he is just sort of dipping his toes in. Most of his scumhunting looks directed at nutella, particularly when Long Con is facing heavy scrutiny:

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:19 pm hmmmm

well if it's between long con and nutella i think nutella looks worse

however speed brought up some good points about her not playing like fire emblem, i think i want to review LC's activity at early u-pick to see if juliets is right. I remember him being active but maybe I'm just remembering his bts persona

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:27 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:23 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:19 pm well if it's between long con and nutella i think nutella looks worse
What if it wasn't, though?

1.5 hours left. Don't restrict yourself if this is town/town, or if there's a better option.
that's actually what I'm thinking.

long con's behavior in u-pick was different than it is here. in that game sure he wasn't like super "town" day 1 or anything but he put effort into asking questions and even made a big multi paragraph post. That doesn't mean LC isn't mafia here, but if LC is mafia here then he's taking a noticably different (more laid back) approach to the game.

Is this a subtle attempt at defending his teammate, Long Con? It's not a full-on "No way is Long Con scum!", it leaves the door open for a lynch, but it emphatically seems to suggest that nutella is the scummer we should be going after instead (which I don't necessarily disagree with, but if she's town ...)

He later switches from being pro-nutella-lynch to being pro-Colin-lynch, when faced with the option, and I just don't really see his reasoning:

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:36 pm between nutella and colin i think colin looks worse, my main worry about nutella was her treatment of her suspicion of me, but i don't see her lowering it at the end of day 2 before long con's lynch as being an optimal move for a baddie to make when there wasn't any pressure for her to not make that and also suspecting me early game for not seeming like im contributing is pretty easy to get away with.

my read through of colin's posts left me consistently pinged enough that I'm comfy leaving a vote there

But I'm biased, so

Kyle gets a POSSIBLY LONG CON TEAM COMPATIBLE ALERT

insertnamehere:

INH's initial "Hot Tub of Trust" post is a mystifying one indeed. If he is town, why does he categorically remove Vompatti from the pool of potential suspects? Why does he even clear Blooper, looking back? If he is scum, double both those questions. I want to point out too that when he's not tubbing it he plays what I see as a very Epignosis-like game: not belaboring himself to make giant posts of information and argument, not forthcoming with thoughts and feelings because he doesn't have to be. Whether that's a bad thing or not remains yet to be proven.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:09 pm Dom is kinda hard to read for yrstruly, and I honestly don't get why he's the guy that the mob ganged up against on Day 1. I'm always willing to vote for the most inactive person in the absence of any stronger suspects, and Lapluie has earned my ire.

[VOTE: lapluie] aubergine

Yeah, I dunno. Not a bad stance to take at all, but I get in trouble for a sort of bucking-the-eventual-civ-lynch moment as scum and this could be it. Although Dom was not a big force to be reckoned with in this game, so maybe not.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:27 pm Now onto my suspects:

LC reads damn weird to me. I'd be utterly chuffed if he was lynched today. In fact, the people apprehensive about lynching him despite agreeing with the case on him are inspiring some apprehension in myself.

Nutella, I've honestly gotten neutral vibes from. I disagree with her about Speed, but I also agree that a bad Nutella wouldn't necessarily be so vocal about him. I'm willing to keep her around a bit longer.

What are people's stances on siggy-boy?

This comes in near the tail end of Long Con's lynch. A very justifiable vote I don't disagree with, but is it instead a moment of saving face, trying to earn townie points?

INH, I'd like to hear these suspicions articulated when you have a chance.

Insertnamehere gets a HOT TUB OF APPREHENSION

Fractal:

Fractal has consistently been townread by me since he first entered the game. I have no idea what he's capable of as a player, but he's appeared to be very incisive and working in a logical, pro-town direction. He seems to be playing by asking a lot of questions and trying to understand people's reads and/or motivations if they have any. He actively attempts to steer lynches and isn't afraid to play a centerpiece part in the game.

My point is is that if he's bad he is one dastardly motherfucker and I would then be in a "if Scotty's bad I'll eat G-Man's dictionary" moment. I see no reason to doubt that Fractal is capable of doing that, so I want other people to see if they can find a reason this is a bad dude. I can't. I thought at first he looked as if he was just relying on others to build cases for him via his questions because he can't 100% duplicate a townie's lack of knowledge, but then he went ahead and made a big rainbow list that made so much sense. So.

He has a stray mention of Long Con that is kind of interesting in the non-committal scum way potentially, but I felt pretty much the same way and even went after the same target as him. Fractal as scum would literally have been dispatched to gain my trust and weaponize me, basically, and I hope that has not happened. One can also argue that his list of people he's suspicious of as of D2, aside from nutella (lapluie, Vompatti, Turnip Head) are easy targets that anyone could take up issue with more for their inactivity or particular playstyles than for actually looking bad. That sketches me out the most of anything, probably.

Fractal has earned a GOLD STAR

Sorry, what I meant to say was that you should keep making the videos if you want to, but it’s totally up to you.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:44 am

My Host Post Videos over the past two cycles have had no views (except by me when previewing them before posting). Each one is two minutes long tops.

Should I not bother anymore?

I didn’t feel desperate, I felt like I was already dead. Gave the best assessments of everyone I could at this stage. Tomorrow I’m digging in and giving even better ones.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:31 pm And yes I voted for Vomp first, but I don't like the way that wagon picked up, I'd be down for Colin lynch tomorrow.

Are you saying you suspect Fractal and/or speed?

Hahaha, yes, Ramses takes requests!

Can someone explain the argument for juliets not being the target? Because from what I saw in U-Pick she’s a force to be reckoned with.

You won’t see much in FWWM, it was a very experimental game and I was scared if how to handle my powerful role and super quiet.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:20 pm Colin, what other games have you been bad in? Besides Easter?

Fire Walk With Me, Ancient Greece

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:18 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:16 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:13 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:56 pm As a final legacy post in case I still die somehow, if Vompatti is scum you can categorically remove everyone voting alongside me from your POE.
Yikes. I don’t like this as a legacy post. There is nothing legacy about this.

Times like this make me wish this were retrocausality mafia so I can stop myself from checking mafia in the bathroom a few hours ago because now I’m back to you being bad
What do you mean?

If Vompatti is scum, and Fractal or speed are on their team, they have NO reason to persuade people off me. And you have absolutely no reason to switch. I was the consensus lynch candidate for about 22 hours; nobody would have came for any of you, except for maybe you for my calling out, had I died. It doesn’t clear me, but it definitely would have cleared them/you.
It seems hokey as a legacy post, and that also does not clear anyone. That was started towards the end of the day about 20 min before EoD. It may not have even picked up. Mafia could use that as advantageous if they bet on it not picking up

I dunno. From my perspective my goose was cooked so there was simply no reason for anyone to go against the tide to lynch another civ.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:13 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:56 pm As a final legacy post in case I still die somehow, if Vompatti is scum you can categorically remove everyone voting alongside me from your POE.
Yikes. I don’t like this as a legacy post. There is nothing legacy about this.

Times like this make me wish this were retrocausality mafia so I can stop myself from checking mafia in the bathroom a few hours ago because now I’m back to you being bad

What do you mean?

If Vompatti is scum, and Fractal or speed are on their team, they have NO reason to persuade people off me. And you have absolutely no reason to switch. I was the consensus lynch candidate for about 22 hours; nobody would have came for any of you, except for maybe you for my calling out, had I died. It doesn’t clear me, but it definitely would have cleared them/you.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:12 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:10 pm I’m pretty easy to tunnel on. I don’t always think things through and some of my logic can be shit I guess
Honestly what scared me off of you is my internal struggle with your D1 illogic and how I used to make similar illogic as town and be righteous about it.

The one qualm I still have of you is your backhanded compliment that you’re scared of me- it sounded smeary

Nothing backhanded meant by it all — I think anybody who was in Easter has a right to a reasonable fear of your scum prowess, it was a really, really good performance.

Sorry folks, and Vompatti. But I appreciate the vote of confidence you gave me. I’ll do my best to earn it this phase.

I’m pretty easy to tunnel on. I don’t always think things through and some of my logic can be shit I guess

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:06 pm Colin, why did you select vomps specifically as your counter wagon?

Fractal did.

I feel bad for Rico having to whip up new videos as people inevitably hot potato the lynch at EOD at least half the time

Except maybe sig, but I feel alright about sig here.

As a final legacy post in case I still die somehow, if Vompatti is scum you can categorically remove everyone voting alongside me from your POE.

If Fractal is bad then I’ll be amazed. Pat yourself on the back right now because I’ve never seen someone look so genuinely town.

BTW if any of you are curious I had a lovely time at one of the local craft breweries earlier today.

Fractal wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:35 pm no idea what's up with the niju-posting today? we think ramses or a hidden scum ability is at work or what?

Shirley the Medium curses players, probably that.

I can try and do some ISOing if I survive for sure. Timing just hasn’t been my friend in this game to really dig in yet and start making lists.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:30 pm I'd actually be more comfortable giving Colin another day to make himself known. He's capable of a lot of content, and while I've gotten heebie jeebies from the feel of a post or two of his, I think the case on him is the Nutella lynch?

And really, the Nutella vs LC thing wasn't strong. I have no real reason to believe that most of the mafia team didn't bus LC.

Idk, what is the case? Why does this day have like 2 pages?

Linki: I have a strong town feel for Nutella. Don't want to lynch for info. Your desire to lynch her is my only reason to scumread you

I can understand re: the bottom paragraph. My tendency is to tunnel so it’s possible I’m misreading and no u-ing nutella pretty bad, but I did like my vote staying on her yesterday. Her play just feels ... off compared to what I’ve observed in games.

[VOTE: VOMPATTI] aubergine

Fractal wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:29 pm i know you're against the nutella lynch today speed, so maybe Vomp? I think sig's pretty likely town too, so it would be swell to swap there

I’m down.

And I think that, in general, scum are quite content to hitch themselves to even the most facile townie wagon as long as someone else has buy-in, so yes, look at Scotty and TH closely, particularly if nutella is town.

I guess I can understand the case on me, but it’s facile and not how I would describe my behavior as scum for the most part.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:19 pm Do you actually have a reason to read me bad, or are you paranoid?

If you could control the lynch, where would you send it?

Who do you think was targeted for the kill last night?

I’m paranoid.

I do really think nutella is the way to go. It would take out a suspect of mine and give us huge clarity toward Long Con’s lynch.

I think juliets was a logical target. She just brought a town win home in U-Pick and is not someone I’d want on the other team as scum. If it was redirected, my guess would have been you or Fractal or Luna.

*other

I’m assuming people won’t switch though, so, any ither questions people have before you all regret lynching me?

[VOTE: Lapluie] aubergine

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