The Syndicate

OTOH

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:42 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:39 pm watch out for sig teammates on the nova wagon
Oooooh shoot.

Lotsa folks I’m wary of up in there, for much better reasons than anybody has to be wary of nova.

I refuse to join any head-ass CFD.

(This one is somewhat reasonable, but I have principles.)

Tranq wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:55 pm Ok so if the players who voted for me could switch their votes to someone else, that would be great. I'm a civ. Colin's vote especially sucks, he didn't even acknowledge any of the posts i made today

Should i leave my vote on sig or are y'all about to CFD nova or something?

linki: Dear god...please catch up and revisit your vote, Timmer.

Are your posts today supposed to make you look good? Because half-heartedly saying “I’m a civ” doesn’t.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:49 pm She's has that "I take on attractive forms to lure people towards me before revealing my horrific real form and stealing your soul" girl next door vibe.

Sounds like my last ex.

Switching to [VOTE: Tranq] aubergine. Hate this Sig wagon

If Sig gets lynched and is good, people have to listen to me tomorrow and lynch who I want. If he’s bad, disregard message

I legit would vote to lynch more than half of the player list. Y’all fucking shady.

Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:01 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:57 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:52 pm If you were juliets who would you be recruited by?
Why would juliets be recruited? Just because her role wasn’t “Grimdark I’mmafia” doesn’t mean it had to be town, either. The “nice person is bad” trope is actually the whole game.
If you could've recruited anyone at the start of the game, who would it be?

DharmaHelper

Enrique wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:52 pm If you were juliets who would you be recruited by?

Why would juliets be recruited? Just because her role wasn’t “Grimdark I’mmafia” doesn’t mean it had to be town, either. The “nice person is bad” trope is actually the whole game.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:11 pm Wonder why DDL keeps wanting to lynch INH for shit that Tranq has also done but somehow everything that Tranq does is fine

Yes

I admit that my post completely ignores Luna’s actions, because I can’t be bothered to look her votes and suspicions up, but somebody else can.

I want to draw people’s attention to an earlier post:

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:29 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:45 pm Rows and flows of angel hair
And ice cream castles in the air
And feather canyons everywhere
I've looked at clouds that way

But now they only block the sun
They rain and snow on everyone
So many things I would have done
But clouds got in my way

I've looked at clouds from both sides now
From up and down, and still somehow
It's cloud illusions I recall
I really don't know clouds at all
Yin and/or Yang?

For those of you who aren’t hip, this is the first verse to Judy Collins’ “Both Sides Now,” a song about the dual natures of life, love and, yes, clouds.

Check out that role list and see which ones have a “dual” or “double” function. The guy with holograms, maybe, but he’s dead. And then there’s Yin and Yang.

Luna was one of that half, and is dead, and civ to boot. If these roles function as they did in the past, then the other half would now be bad (if my understanding is correct).

I’m not saying there aren’t other viable wagons (Tranq, Sabie, G-Man, and Sloonei might be pulling our legs quite frankly) but I think this deserves consideration and it’s where my vote goes as of now.

[VOTE: INH] aubergine

We can lynch DH if/when it makes sense to lynch DH.

I met some ladies last night. We did not get physical or down and dirty, but I did end up listening to music and taking a nap. And I spent about twice as much on drinks as I usually do, so I guess I upped the ante as well.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:52 am square S69 is where the sex cave is located

U-Pick feels like it was a million years ago.

Off to get very drunk. Maybe I’ll out myself as scum later?

I’m not moving from Sabie just in case a head-ass CFD happens in that direction in the last 3 minutes

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:28 pm I’m not sure I sense a big push to save. I get more of a confused vibe from the thread right now. We’ve got a player kamikazeeing and another player who seems to want us to think he lied. It’s an unusual situation.

Baddies could certainly use that confusion to their advantage but I don’t know that I see a big push being orchestrated right now.
I think DDL needs looking at. He's being shifty.

Agree

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:45 pm Rows and flows of angel hair
And ice cream castles in the air
And feather canyons everywhere
I've looked at clouds that way

But now they only block the sun
They rain and snow on everyone
So many things I would have done
But clouds got in my way

I've looked at clouds from both sides now
From up and down, and still somehow
It's cloud illusions I recall
I really don't know clouds at all

Yin and/or Yang?

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:17 pm Keine neue posten von Quin. Colin’s leaning hard at Sabie. I think he’s got a schoolyard crush on her. Neither Tranq nor INH feel sincere today. Sabie’s my next ISO. I’ll join the Quin train for now.

I am incapable of feeling love for another human being

I see the logic in lynching INH — how can you not? — but I just don’t know if I buy that that’s what he meant, honestly. I post in the thread at least once a game drunk off my rocker as many of you know and I’ve never outted myself while doing it.

These are all pretty good wagons tbh

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:32 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:17 am In response to the notion that there’s no real case against Sabie other than the old lady: I’ve made a few comments when I read something pingy, but the gist is that I think the way Sabie has reacted to pressure and to the alleged info is really scummy. You can go read her ISO and decide for yourself.
So if I'm too calm and confident in saying I'm not bad that makes me bad and if I defend myself that makes me bad. I just believe someone is trying to frame me and they are using this old lady info and just running with it. No one even responds to any of my accusations or thoughts on anything. Everyone just says an old woman used sabie and jagged blade in the same sentence let's just go make assumptions from that to make a case against sabie and mislynch her.

I am responding to you.

Defending yourself doesn’t make you look bad, but changing the defense again and again because what we know doesn’t match up does, and I think you’ve done that.

In response to the notion that there’s no real case against Sabie other than the old lady: I’ve made a few comments when I read something pingy, but the gist is that I think the way Sabie has reacted to pressure and to the alleged info is really scummy. You can go read her ISO and decide for yourself.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:57 am Tranq, I still have trouble believing you found something called the "Mirror of Truth" that told you "Wilgy may be bad." That's like the most pointless thing ever.

Agreed.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:54 am I saw a few people still accusing me. I wonder is it based on any kind of actual argument or just the crazy lady who people are very much interpreting incorrectly. Also just want to know if that info came from the hosts then how was it able to be shared in the thread as a direct quote? Isn't that not allowed? If people think I'm bad because I voted wilgy I made an argument for why I thought he was bad. I also wasnt the only one who believed he was bad. As a civ you go off what you think is baddie behavior but you dont know for sure. It was an honest mistake. Unless there was some trickery going on but again that also is uncertain.

“I’m not scum and the info is wrong, but if it’s not, isn’t it against the rules to reveal it?”

Tantalizing as other lynches may be, I really don’t see myself voting for anyone but Sabie today.

[VOTE: SABIE] aubergine

I found the Locket of Disappointment last night.

Inside, there’s just a picture of me.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:40 pm "firing squad assembled against him" I guess you mean Sloonei and myself saying "yuck" and "bad reasoning"?

K.

Chucko too.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:53 pm TBH I think our votes should he weighted by the number of posts we make each phase.

Imagine this as a mechanic in a future game. JFC.

I feel a kinship to Sig because nobody ever gets what the fuck we’re talking about and it always gets us in trouble. If he is scum then, oops, but I feel fine about him so far and this firing squad that’s been assembled against him feels unreasonable (dare I say ... manufactured?)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:25 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:23 pm Sig is such a common mislynch that we were able to frame him twice in Retrocausality. Not gonna fall for that one without better arguments.
I still don’t care about this. If I find him suspicious in this game, I’m going to pursue it.

You should then take caution to recognize where your suspicions have led towns in the past.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:23 pm And this isn't me defending sabie because I've had my own reasons for suspecting her. But this feels crazy manufactured.

Did Sprit manufacture it with the old lady stuff?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:21 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:18 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:03 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:32 pm Told you wiggly was good also WE NEED TO STOP WITH CFD SHIT!!!!!!
It rarely helps town and had basically resulted in two civs dead.

We need to lynch sab shes mafia or a baddie no way around that.
She's also newer to TS and have played on other sites correct? If those sites allow infoduming which I'm sure they do then she's probably very skilled at deflecting info that plus peoples bias to infodunping here is why shes still alive and we lynched a civ.
Oh so you're saying we were on mafia before the CFDs? Interesting.

Your sabie reasoning is trash
And I think his Sabie reasoning is pretty good. Something strange there as far as the old lady goes and her actions re: Wilgy don’t help her case one bit.
"She's probably very skilled at deflecting because she played elsewhere" is absolutely terrible justification

Like, show me how's she's deflecting and maybe you have a case. Asserting it's true because of reasoning that turned out to be completely wrong seems like maybe the kind of thing you shouldn't agree with

I believe that Sig believed that when he said it, I don’t need to agree with it.

As far as deflecting, I wouldn’t call it that per se but I think her approach to Wilgy has been inconsistent and has changed at particularly revealing times (when she was facing a lynch / when Wilgy flipped good).

Sig is such a common mislynch that we were able to frame him twice in Retrocausality. Not gonna fall for that one without better arguments.

*getting

What I’m gettinf at is, I’m in love with Sig.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:03 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:32 pm Told you wiggly was good also WE NEED TO STOP WITH CFD SHIT!!!!!!
It rarely helps town and had basically resulted in two civs dead.

We need to lynch sab shes mafia or a baddie no way around that.
She's also newer to TS and have played on other sites correct? If those sites allow infoduming which I'm sure they do then she's probably very skilled at deflecting info that plus peoples bias to infodunping here is why shes still alive and we lynched a civ.
Oh so you're saying we were on mafia before the CFDs? Interesting.

Your sabie reasoning is trash

And I think his Sabie reasoning is pretty good. Something strange there as far as the old lady goes and her actions re: Wilgy don’t help her case one bit.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:34 pm sig's vote was on DharmaHelper. No one else voted for DharmaHelper. Sig came on near the end of the day to shrug at every single case that existed. Sig then left. Sig is now blasting others for lynching wilgy.

My vote was on Kylemii as a lone lyncher. Am I scum?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:18 pm sig is lamenting both the wilgy lynch, and the late bandwagon which was pushed as a counter to the wilgy lynch. Like, what?

For example I don’t see a problem with this ... independently of one another, it’s perfectly reasonable to dislike two competing wagons and be town.

I also find most things Sig is saying to be reasonable. The Wilgy lynch made some sense given the info we had and the way Sabie treated it but he is a very easy mislynch too and CFDs really are nonsense.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:16 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:13 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:03 am [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

A hunch, i want to pursue later.
So as of right now I am the only person spirityo has accused the entire game. I don't even see a vote from them in the first lynch poll. They haven't even really shared any thoughts on anyone yet. I'm all for speculating about gameplay and roles and everything because I also do that but usually by this point in the game some of the speculation is regarding players and reads on players. Just find that interesting.

I am still not convinced wilgy isnt bad. Unless he just really doesn't care about this game at all he didn't even put up any defense about being accused or voted for. And he still really hasn't been around. It also now seems like maybe TH was defending him.

I was just speculating if TH was the trickster could he have killed nutella and someone killed him. I dont know if that really impacts anything but it would be an interesting turn of events if it did happen that way.

Can someone condense the argument on g man so I can get a better idea of where that is coming from? I didnt really get much from trying to read him before.

I know I haven't posted much there is a lot to follow and I get busy with work and things. I've been keeping up best I can though at least with reading everything.
This post gives me the heeby-jeebies. A no u against sprit, redirecting traffic away to what some may call a cop-out vote in Wilgy, and this perfect “open to lynching G-Man but also open to not doing that” twist at the end ... maybe I’m a crackpot but it feels like we can learn a lot from this if G-Man is lynched and turns out bad.

Jeebies Status:

Heebied.

Sabie, INH, Tranq. One of these three tomorrow.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:13 am
Tranq wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:56 pm Don't CFD me. I have info on Wilgy. He's bad!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:36 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:22 pm Here is Luna:

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:18 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:59 pm I have reason to believe that nutella was killed by one of the five players I ISO’d.

Okay, thanks. I have reason to believe that G-man is not guilty.

I have reason to believe you don't know what "mechanically cleared" means.

I have reason to believe ... uh, hold on ...

Stuff happened, not in the thread, that makes me believe Sloonei’s list. Luna said stuff happened to make her believe G-Man is good. Her use of my language implies it was stuff happening not in the thread, or stuff involving game mechanics like roles, map tomfoolery, etc.

Here is Sabie:

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:57 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:50 pm Nevermind Sabie I dunno if legally you can answer that
I dont know if I legally can either but I think I've made it pretty clear indirectly.

I may be imprecise with my language, but you get what I mean.

Here is Luna:

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:18 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:59 pm I have reason to believe that nutella was killed by one of the five players I ISO’d.

Okay, thanks. I have reason to believe that G-man is not guilty.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:05 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:56 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:49 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:47 pm I do think it’s kinda suspect that so many people would dump shit like they have tbh. I dunno if this is tinfoil but I bet there’s a scum counting on reduced risk of nightkill or certain protections amidst the Dumpers.
huh? we've had two dumps as far as I can tell.
I’m counting you, Luna, sprit and sabie all as dumpers, using the term loosely. Every one of you said you knew something either explicitly or implicitly.
I see. If one of us is fabricating things, who is it?
I think sprit is the most honest seeming. Super weird thing to make up. You and Luna are probably tied for next — Luna’s came after yours and could be a “well, a fake dump isn’t so risky now” kind of move; you, I have reason to believe but nonetheless can’t say I can clear you from that. Sabie’s is most likely to be a reactive “don’t lynch me” move (Luna’s is quite reactive as well, but not to save her own skin.)
I don't think any of us are lying, for what it's worth. But I also don't think sabie and luna have dumped anything.

Luna supposedly mechanically cleared G-Man; Sabie is allegedly mechanically incriminating Wilgy. That’s what I’m referring to if it wasn’t clear.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:56 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:49 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:47 pm I do think it’s kinda suspect that so many people would dump shit like they have tbh. I dunno if this is tinfoil but I bet there’s a scum counting on reduced risk of nightkill or certain protections amidst the Dumpers.
huh? we've had two dumps as far as I can tell.
I’m counting you, Luna, sprit and sabie all as dumpers, using the term loosely. Every one of you said you knew something either explicitly or implicitly.
I see. If one of us is fabricating things, who is it?

I think sprit is the most honest seeming. Super weird thing to make up. You and Luna are probably tied for next — Luna’s came after yours and could be a “well, a fake dump isn’t so risky now” kind of move; you, I have reason to believe but nonetheless can’t say I can clear you from that. Sabie’s is most likely to be a reactive “don’t lynch me” move (Luna’s is quite reactive as well, but not to save her own skin.)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:49 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:47 pm I do think it’s kinda suspect that so many people would dump shit like they have tbh. I dunno if this is tinfoil but I bet there’s a scum counting on reduced risk of nightkill or certain protections amidst the Dumpers.
huh? we've had two dumps as far as I can tell.

I’m counting you, Luna, sprit and sabie all as dumpers, using the term loosely. Every one of you said you knew something either explicitly or implicitly.

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