The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:36 pm

abyssum wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:23 pm i'd like to state, for the record so nobody here gets any funny ideas about me, that my reads are not usually this good

The next time you are wrong about one thing I am going to write a ten page case against you

that's okay, i won't read it

i'd like to state, for the record so nobody here gets any funny ideas about me, that my reads are not usually this good

the discord link doesn't work so i'm suing this site

Team Mac + Team Mulder. GN!

i very genuinely was SUPER PUMPED about that GTH exercise and really enjoyed participating in it

whew

omg i'm like getting into bed so i can't post all of my thoughts but OMG. thank you guys a lot

Tsaiah wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:42 am Can i just mention

Aby

Was correct in their pursuit of all three mafia

:333


HOW ABOUT THAT, ABY "I'M WRONG A LOT" SSUM

@abyssum

listen im actually IRL dead

holy shit guys this was massively fun and you're all the bomb

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:39 am

abyssum wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:38 amOH MY GOD

MULDER AND SCULLY 2018

OH MY GOD

OH MY GOD

wat

good morning/afternoon/evening/whatever, people

i can see Jay is doing some analysis and i've elected to completely and 100% ignore it until i look through everyone's ISO on my own

i cant believe my D1 voting went from one scum to the next i am actually so tickled

OK the only asshole here is RNG

abyssum wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:09 pm tsaiah i want your thots on sprityo post-eod if you will

i want to clarify that i want this regardless of robot's flip

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:11 pm Hey I already towncleared tsaiah. No one ever takes my word for such things though apparently.

more than one townclear is good

tsaiah i want your thots on sprityo post-eod if you will

i'm not going to gather all the posts and talk about them yet but i've seen at least 4 things from tsaiah that i think she's way likelier to say as town than scum so far

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:04 pm

abyssum wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:04 pm my secretary typing skills finally come in handy eff you guys

Let it be known that we're no longer a thing. I'm breaking it off.

our office romance has finally ended

my secretary typing skills finally come in handy eff you guys

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:00 pm Things I need clarified:

What "TMI" and "CFD" are.
What a "godfather" is.

I guess that's all. I feel like this whole thread is just waiting for today to be over.

TMI=too much information. "X is TMIing Y" is like, scum!X is townreading town!Y or something along those lines
CFD=chinese fire drill, u vote people really fast and kill them right at eod

godfather=mafia who shows up as town to cops

Tsaiah wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:56 pm

abyssum wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:50 pm

Tsaiah wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:48 pm

abyssum wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:46 pm TSAIAH WHERE'D YOU GO

I'M RIGHT HERE

I have a veritable shitton of stuff i wanna talk with you about too, post-eod

WHY NOT PRE-EOD.

a) it's a bunch of different things i gotta dig back up from when i was quickly and sleepily catching up on the way to work
b) i'm on mobile trying not to get rained on while i wait for a ride home from work

...fine. I GUESS.

i might have questions for you too now that i'm more strongly digging into your iso

like clearly if robot is town we should do a big old reassessment party (more GTH plz?) but also it's going to send me down the sprityo rabbit hole at least somewhat

there's no confirmation that it's 3 mafia, right?

mac i am dedicated to this team so i'll read Tsaiah for you ok? ok.

Tsaiah wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:48 pm

abyssum wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:46 pm TSAIAH WHERE'D YOU GO

I'M RIGHT HERE

I have a veritable shitton of stuff i wanna talk with you about too, post-eod

WHY NOT PRE-EOD.

Tsaiah wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:31 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:29 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:19 pm Someone tell me why Tsaiah has been given a town pass?

I wouldn't say I've given her a "pass", but I did think her alien interactions were mostly good. And she seems genuine. Do you have a beef?

I cannot shake the feeling that she is coasting by on the fact that MP town cleared her on like the second page and as a result has really just let the game float by. It is not a good argument at all, I just have my doubts.

It's fine, I'll get a more definitive read on you if you don't let me be forgotten about. ;3

Work eats me extra bad on the weekends (and sleeping less than i already do just isn't a viable option, if i'm gonna be functional enough there to retain gainful employment. xD) I no-choice slept enough last night that I'll probably be able to stay up a little to work on the game tonight, should be able to devote some more time to it after work tomorrow, and then I'm off for two days (yay!)

tsaiah why aren't you Team Mac yet. hey tsaiah. why arent you team mac

oh hi

TSAIAH WHERE'D YOU GO

hey [mention]Tsaiah[/mention] do you have some Words you could lend me about why you were eager for my response to Jay's post about my + alien's reads lists?

tsaiah as a subject is something i need to put on my big girl brain pants for

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:26 pm

abyssum wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:00 pm i could stake my reputation on Mac and Luna being town in this game because i don't have any reputation to speak of. BAM

I have kept count of your reputation so far, and you're already close to seven so be careful.

shit. that's somewhat more than six

hello highposters

i vot colon

Tsaiah wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:17 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:03 pm i feel okay about the robot lynch in all ways except morally

Never, ever lynch Kyle this game

Already thought interactions cleared him well, but this is just such a towny way to come at this

i don't want to lynch kyle for Raisins, but why is this a strong point in his favor? if this was a mislynch he'd feel okay about the robot lynch in all ways except morally, too

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:09 pm

abyssum wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:00 pm i could stake my reputation on Mac and Luna being town in this game because i don't have any reputation to speak of. BAM

I was unclear from your previous posts - is this based on Luna's tone, her interactions with Alien, or a combination of the 2? SHe's been slightly pingy to me at times (although less so than, for example, Robot, DH, or sprit).

Also, fair point on the baddie thing - you're right, #3 lynch train isn't really "caught". And it is still a possible thing to have happen, regardless.

Linki Kyle, Mac, and Colin. Well....it's only bad if we're wrong about it....right?

my initial read on Luna was based sorta on her content itself (not 'tone' exactly, but she doesn't seem afraid of her own opinions regardless of how they're taken), but i think the interactions with alien are pretty good. he tried to discredit her at a lot of different avenues and insisted on her not being "genuine" without ever really being able to talk through that read or what it meant. Luna also started giving alien some town points to alien when he was sort of a sinking ship, and he grabbed onto those and seemed genuinely grateful/like he wanted to capitalize on them.

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:00 pm Points about sprit are interestng. I always shy away form thinking civvies have caught 2 baddies on D1; I've seen it suggested a lot but never seen it really happen (unless of course 1 baddie tries SUPER hard to save the other and basically outs themselves). Sprit was 3rd possible lynch train behind Mac yesterday, so I'm leery.

However, that is my only justification for putting sprit slightly higher on my tier list than others, and I'm fully aware it's a weak one as it's non-thread-based.

Linki: Mac, it seems you and DH are playing different games. But I'm glad we're a friendly bunch!

ehh. i can understand being leery about it, but third possible lynch train is not really being 'caught' imo.

then again i came outta a game where the top two D1 lynch options were both mafia, and both of them had pretty decent support and traction.

i could stake my reputation on Mac and Luna being town in this game because i don't have any reputation to speak of. BAM

Lunalee is just, like, not at all scum from these interactions unless i'm just a massive idiot.

but wow the robot stuff still looks pretty bad on re-ISO

nvm robot and sprityo being teamed is /probably/ a dumb take

colin can you not steal my thunder plz.

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:40 pm

RobotNerd277 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:53 pm here have my notes sheet that I decided like halfway through that I would post

Spoiler: show

#1065 - http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 22#p474422
DH keeps commenting on how he hasn't read the thread. This is annoying. I do agree that calling someone a pussy or a coward isn't the same as calling them mafia. That being said, I think JaggedJimmyJay is anything but that.

I'm not liking the JJJ + DH interactions? It reads as both townies, but being really distracting. I'm mostly just annoyed about that, but it doesn't read as scummy from either party.

#1094 - http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 55#p474455

ooooh spirityo has an iso wall of macdougall. Saves me the trouble for now!

Wait, has macdougall not actually posted a bunch of solid argument stuff? I figured it was somewhere in the 7 pages I hadn't read.

I'm not liking this "only person I have a negative read on" bit from spirityo but I'm still not a fan of mac. There's a lot to pick at in this thread. MP's willingness to throw "town" at people, DH's unwillingness to read the thread etc. Anyways, the end of spirityo's post is a bit yelly but he makes a point against Mac that I agree with. I still want to do my own iso because ~bad vibes~

#1104 - http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 7b#p474465

Agree with Kylemii. I hope there's an explanatino for how on eart you get a townread on DH.

pseudo-random-neuron-firing -> where's tsaiah?

#1114 - http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 80#p474480

wonderful, mac responded to spirityo's post. I should also answer those questions when I get around to it, because idk who I believe less tbh, spirityo or mac.

I feel like I should address the "melted like butter on a hot plate" thing but idk what to really say. I intend to take more of a look at Mac later? I probably should have done this last night instead of getting distracted but also whatever the past is in the past.

I... keep skimming over MP's posts. Sorry! I'll probably read what you have to say... eventually!

What about the 'only person I have a negative read on' part don't you like?

hi, i'm here for a minute (might be the rest of tonight until 11ish central time, but i may be being pulled away by IRL before then)

i'm reading through some of the earlier alien stuff again and found this interaction with robot, and i'm thinking it paints two possible universes; one of a robot partner & one of a sprityo partner (and i wanna springboard for the sprityo argument)

robot partner: alien took the time to read through robot's post and decided to toss a somewhat easy question their way so that both of them appear to be solving

sprityo partner: alien saw someone criticizing an aspect of sprityo's play and decided to try to pick it apart somewhat (or, in a luckier scenario, both of these things are true). i wanna point this out bc i keep mentally returning to sprityo posts & interactions that he's had with alien. on D1, i was digging at alien because of his attempts to discredit Lunalee wrt Turnip Head, but the way alien engaged Lunalee on sprityo may actually be a bit more compelling/teammate-compatible. there's a specific post that's giving me a hard time: alien's defense of Turnip Head can be more easily read as TMI-y than the defense of sprityo here, because alien is posting about sprityo's motivations/desires here in a way that he may not be fully comfortable doing as mafia. alien's ISO is full of qualifying statements about people's play, which is not in itself bad & characterizes a lot of people's play, so this is sort of jarring. continues that general trend here. alien is saying what sprityo did, not what he Could Have Been Doing.

i was moving away from sprityo as a partner but i think i'm heading back that way as a possibility (maybe even if robot flips mafia but i need to go through their interactions there as well). think i'm gonna make another reads list to try to sort some of these thoughts instead of just vomiting them into the thread at random (disclaimer: might not have enough time to make it cute and colorful)

if alien was just TMIing town in both TH and sprityo i'll laugh but the handling is different for sprityo, too.

(p.s. sorry for my part in inactivity/thread complacency today; i had some Stuff interfering w/ my presence for a bit but i'm going to try to put more effort into solving this game when i have time)

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:30 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:08 am Has anybody made a post about whether Alien is similarly hedgey in other games?

The Russ post is very good. I like it a lot. However, I think Alien's probing of abyssum looks very townish too, but I'm not sure I buy going after Russ for making his post. Hmm hmm hmm

It's not very good, his analysis of my posts with the two colours is biased and misrepresents them, his point about me having many interactions with Jay means nothing without actually looking at the content in those interactions which he didn't do, probably because he doesn't need to because he's not actually trying to sort me, his insistence that I only have one read in M Plus 7 I don't understand how he thinks that at all but he's not the only one so maybe I am just coming across badly, and his insistence of my treatment of the slip being suspicious also makes no sense to me and it feels like he's just trying to push an agenda on something that isn't really there

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] tyty for the big post! how do you feel about exchanges like this between Alien + Colin--does it read like two teammates talking to one another to you, and why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:53 pm I appreciate that Marmot isn't wasting away in eternal "I have to catch up" purgatory, and is instead placing votes based on even one little thing that he found -- and it makes sense that he found it since he was the focus of the post.

i think i tentatively like it but mostly because of the timing

as a lynch isn't going down Right Now or incredibly soon

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:05 pm Here I got one, who is gonna look better and who worse once alien flips?

I’m not sure how much interaction I’ve seen between alien and other players outside of his questions that would indicate alignment

i know this isn't in Alien's ISO, but i actually think this may reflect poorly on sprityo & want some input on it

Alien hadn't flipped at this point, so the only people who knew what he would flip were his teammates. the way that sprityo has this post worded sort of has an implicit red flip in it; even though sprityo doesn't say that alien will flip mafia, the emphasis on alien's questions leans that way. (town Alien's questions wouldn't necessarily indicate much of anything but sincerity on Alien's behalf. there's a possibility that sprityo is referring to responses to questions tho)

MP7 noted that this came pretty shortly before alien's actual flip. could be feeling some pressure to appear involved and like he's progressing the game forward

i'm keeping in mind Jay's point about breaking up me/sprityo as teammates, but i thought i'd make a note of it anyway

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:28 pm Astronomical post in progress. Please stand by...

i am EXCITED

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:53 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:52 pm You gave select reads on random players in randomised groups with very little structure to the post it's a known scum tell.

What? They're not random players they're the ones I have strong feelings about, and they're not random groups they're 'would lynch vs town'

OOOOH

[mention]Tsaiah[/mention] come here when you can and tell me what you think about this!!!

abyssum wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:21 pm he probably just TMI'd Kyle and Colin too. he didn't really do much to explain his take on the situation, he just said it feels/seems like they're town/town based on their arguing. it was done at a time when Alien started needing town allies as well. this isn't really catastrophic if Alien needs to lynch one of them later down the line either, since it's just an impressions post without much passion behind it. ("not really catastrophic" lends itself well if one of them is scum too though)

if i had to put one of them as the scum partner in that situation, it'd probably be Colin? but Colin has a couple of other good looks independent of that situation

in very close proximity to this, alien quoted a post that i made and said that he townread me for it, which makes me think he was just trying to tack on town supporters where he could.

he probably just TMI'd Kyle and Colin too. he didn't really do much to explain his take on the situation, he just said it feels/seems like they're town/town based on their arguing. it was done at a time when Alien started needing town allies as well. this isn't really catastrophic if Alien needs to lynch one of them later down the line either, since it's just an impressions post without much passion behind it. ("not really catastrophic" lends itself well if one of them is scum too though)

if i had to put one of them as the scum partner in that situation, it'd probably be Colin? but Colin has a couple of other good looks independent of that situation

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:10 pm Ughhh Mac's mindset makes sense but I disagree since I never like to assume people will inevitably be mislynched as a Townie because they can always bring it back, but I don't think it's necessarily alignment-indicative because I know people who favour lynches like that as Town 'they're gonna die inevitably anyway so let's kill them for info', but it is definitely scum compatible and the fact he suggested it to Jay after Jay's story makes me think 'hmm' and that in combination with my earlier points makes me inclined to lean that it's a Mafia sided thing rather than a Town thing (how's this for hedge!)

Can someone give me a run down on the sprito case since it looks like it's him vs me vs mac right now?

I have to go away again now, I'll be back in like an hour I think

(sorry in advance to Alien for the notifications and to the thread at large for the jumping around that will inevitably happen in this ISO; i do nothing sequentially because i'm the worst)

i think this sort of post from Alien has a very high chance of being Alien expressing some irritation/frustration at one of his potential mislynch targets posting in a way that looks townier. i don't think this progression is really unusual for Alien, either

scenario A (where Mac is town): he knows that Mac is posting like town would, and he feels compelled to acknowledge that towniness (because what if other people see it?) but at the same time wants to discredit and dismiss what Mac is saying. scum Alien sees town behavior and acknowledges it, at least from what little i've learned from playing with him. it's almost like the initial suspicion is easy because he can post confidently about it, but as further engagement from town comes around, that confidence is shaken and he starts feeling like he needs to give them points even when scumreading them or discrediting them

scenario B (where Mac is a partner): at a time when both Alien and Mac are wagons and in a position where a lynch is possible, Alien is trying to discredit Mac's lynch plans of a third party (Turnip Head). it's possible that, in a world where Turnip Head is town, Alien is trying to nab some credit if that lynch goes off, because he can point back to the post where he outlined the issues with that sort of lynch (though this relies on a world in which Alien is willing to get some heat on Mac in exchange for Alien's own cred). while i don't think there's a lot of coordination if this is the case, Alien may not be the type to coordinate actions out of the thread.

i don't think that Alien, when talking about Mac as a partner, feels any compulsions to acknowledge when Mac makes a towny post. i also don't think he feels the need to explain and explain about Mac's potential mindset, or why he feels the motivation to do what he's doing, or the ways that his plans can go wrong--unless Mac is actually town. please offer takes on this, especially the people here who have also played with Alien or spectated the games that he played (but anyone is welcome to weigh in).

the interesting thing here is that Alien is talking about Turnip Head (or rather Mac's proposed plan of lynching Turnip Head). this is the second time that Alien has very indirectly defended Turnip Head--the first was with Lunalee, when he used her reads post to call her suspicion on TH insincere & also question the validity of her read on him.

i think that Turnip Head could be town based on scenario A, btw; it could be that Alien is just prone to TMI and happened to TMI the same player twice in two different places. in the unlikely world where Mac/Alien are teamed, i don't think the team is Mac/Alien/Turnip/(mystery slot if there is one).

stray thought: i want to look at posts where Alien directly addresses people instead of addressing the thread or speaking about them in the third person. [mention]M Plus 7[/mention] [mention]Tsaiah[/mention] [mention]RobotNerd277[/mention] when Alien was town in G9, did he make the sorts of posts where he would quote somebody and make general statements about them instead of engaging them/using second-person language mostly?