The Syndicate

I feel like we should policy lynch Jay D1 each game just to get him out of the way.

Btw, good shit Nova. I'm never town reading you again.

Thanks for the game DDL. Very fun while I lasted. I do hope that you guys enjoyed this side of me

I hate how you guys throw away your correct tone reads to make a logical case for whatever reason.

If I'm going to do a goddamn concession, I'd be more clear with it and not this early too.

No. I said that because once again, I'm the leading wagon.

I'm not actually gonna cry btw.

I think I'm going to cry.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:49 pm

Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:37 pm I don't know. I believe Drago on top of the NK tbh. It was either to implicate Drago or it was just a random kill. I don't think he's pulling the wool over my eyes and his eod behavior sounded genuine but eh.

He's wrong about me being the last cat though so if you want to build a case on me, do so so I can dispute it and put it to rest. We need to look at everyone if we are wrong.

I disagree with your nk analysis. I don't get how you're interpreting it. And you can always apply the wifom/that's-what-he-wants-you-to-think consideration. I mean, consider yesterday. He was trying to emphasize that he suspected LC, but there was never going to be a wagon there so he gave up. Do you think it's possible that he deliberately did that to plant the seed for us to think he wanted to lynch LC but then NKed him to throw us off since we'd think he'd want LC around as a mislynch target. Or that he saw there wasn't enough interest in lynching LC (tbf if LC was still around today he'd be in my poe, but whatever) so he knew he'd need to pivot to another mislynch target, so went ahead and killed LC figuring we wouldn't really know what to make of that. Idk, this is the problem with nk analysis. Too much wifom/potential for it to mean anything or nothing.

You're thinking too much into it.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:53 pm Mmmmmmmmmmm interesting. Shit I actually gotta think about this

Think about what?

Deadass, Fayt has been doing the same thing as Michelle with the supporting role stuff. But my feeling towards Michelle is stronger.

So here is why Michelle is bad.

1. Her reads and "pushes" have been her just piggybacking off of others. She was just a supporting role, never a force in the decision of a wagon being created and all of her scum reads only arrived after others have suspected the said player. Thus the supporting role she has been. The only I guess original, if that, was the Fayt vote. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 70#p556470 this was based on pure bullshit. Just pure bs. I can't count this. It's still a supporting role push cause it only came after LC taked about Fayt being a potential cat.

2. She tries to cover up her siding with Rej as pocketing when there was no such thing. Rej only mentioned her like twice and that was to ask for thoughts. The only thing else was that gth "ok" read he gave to her and multiple other players. You cannot tell me you'd be pocketed cause of this. Here, read. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 85#p554985 http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 63#p555063 I don't buy it. Especially the last one, no reads of her own, just sides with Rej cause she town reads him. Shit, if that doesn't sound like 2 scum buddies trying to help each other, I don't know what does.

3. Her progression of reads on me is asinine. I know this sounds like omgus. I don't care. The progression was scummy. So I will use it against her. She went from a hard town read on me http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 21#p556021 to scum reading me. Yes, I know that reads can change but for her, there was just no progression in it. It was sudden. This also supports the supporting role theory I have on her as she's just been supporting the notion of me being scum. If half the players in this game didn't sus me last DP, she wouldn't either. I guarantee it.

Now, this is my case. Make of it what you will.

I got a fat, juicy case on Michelle coming up. Hold right on.

Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:49 pm What cleared Nova and Nutella for you?

Stop asking me questions. Dang. I can't explain them to you. It just how it is. Take it or leave it.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:45 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:35 pm It's freaking Michelle.

Why?

I've been having a bad feeling about Michelle the entire game. That post of hers addressing my suspicions of both her and Fayt sealed it for me. Don't ask why. It just did.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:44 pm I think you're misunderstanding the soft vote. Maybe deliberately misunderstanding eh?
His vote was on you. If you are bad it was a true tie. If not it was 4 to 3. Whatever. You're still bad

It was fucking 4 to 3.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:46 pm That's manipulative, opportunistic, bad defense

You think I give a damn?

Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:41 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:40 pm

Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:13 pm The LC kill was weird for me.. I'm trying to think if LC suspected anyone other than Drago. But I feel if Drago was the last cat, he would try again to lynch LC no?

Or did he realize no one was going for LC so he shot him?

Can you just vote for Michelle?

I do prefer a Michelle lynch over you but what are your feelings on Nova and Nutella if we're wrong again.

If it's not Michelle then it's you. I really can't imagine it being Nova and Nutella just nah.

Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:13 pm The LC kill was weird for me.. I'm trying to think if LC suspected anyone other than Drago. But I feel if Drago was the last cat, he would try again to lynch LC no?

Or did he realize no one was going for LC so he shot him?

Can you just vote for Michelle?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:06 pm Nova, do you have reason to doubt Drago is the cat?

I'm not sure right now. Most of my thoughts there were linked to my Dom suspicion and Drago being the one Dom was casing, as well as my experience with him. There are a lot of flashes of his civ self in how he's behaving and being stubborn. I'm supposed to reread and reassess some stuff in a bit so I'll see how I feel especially with the whole "that's what he wants you to think" perspective.

Idk what you need to reassess on me bro? What does your gut say? Town or scum?

I'm pretty sure he did. And based on how he came up with the idea to tie shit up, it's probable that he activated his soft vote, meaning that the true vote count yesterday was 4 to 3, Dom leading, MEANING that I AM FUCKING TOWN.

Can we lynch Michelle now?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:42 pm Well certain things make me still believe very strongly that it's Dragomir. LC was the softvoter so that would mean it was an actual tie yesterday. Obviously Drago could be town as that would have made it result in the Dom lynch but other factors still make me think Drago bad. However it could also be Fayt and my worldview would still make nearly as much sense, I just feel like I have more reasons to townread her from the last couple phases. Drago, prove me wrong or make a convincing case for Fayt or someone else, or die.

Didn't LC leave his vote on me?

It's freaking Michelle.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:43 pm You know I'm town and I know that you know it because you are bad.

Or maybe my reads are good? Why should I suspect you? It's crunch time and you want me to include my town reads in a PoE? That makes no fucking sense.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:44 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:40 pm Michelle or Fayt. Hmm.

haha this is hilarious. We both helped you survive yesterday ans now you find us scum? Are we playing the same game?

You know who else helped me survive? Nova and Nutella. You know who's left in the game? Mac, Nutella, you, Fayt, Nova. You know who's confirmed town? Mac? Who the fuck am I supposed to suspect? Myself? Don't bitch about something irrelevant.

Michelle or Fayt. Hmm.

Man, Rej did a great job manipulating you guys. I told you he was trying to make me go down with him by making me look bad by not voting me.

No, it fucking doesn't.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:44 pm aight well, fingers crossed, i mean if dom is the pit bull that makes it more likely drago is bad anyway so

No, it doesn't.

Votes are locked now, oh boy.

That post got fucked up lol.

What the fuck?

Soft voter better not be on Dom.

Oh wow.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:38 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:36 pm Why does this soft voter thing matter?

if the softvoter votes for a townie and it's tied, that townie won't get lynched, though the person who does get lynched could still be town or scum. if the softvoter votes for scum and it's tied, it's a coin flip. so it just slightly decreases the chance of a mislynch idk the exact math it's confusing

Oh. We have 4 minutes and I don't see any vote changes, can we get it set up in time?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:36 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:28 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:28 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:21 pm @Fayt @novaselinenever @nutella @Michelle Let's lynch LC together.

I'm not lynching LC.

What are you gonna do if Dom is town?

I've been mulling over Mac, his facilitator role is unimpressive. Feels like he's doing the bare minimum and he's just like letting stuff happen. He hasn't really been memorable, and he's been cruising on a feel good look he has. But yeah Dom's probably bad for sure, dude's shady af lol.

Hmm, I was hoping you'd say LC was your 2nd suspect but alright.

Why does this soft voter thing matter?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:35 pm I'm willing to accept a tie between Dom and Drago. Ties are cool.

No they're not.

Fine, let's go with Dom.

[VOTE: Dom] aubergine

Fayt wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:29 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:21 pm @Fayt @novaselinenever @nutella @Michelle Let's lynch LC together.

I have a town read with LC though.. why not Dom then?

Also to answer your question previously, I just feel like its sketchy when someone say yeah I think this person is bad and even votes for them in the previous phase but then flip it to another person this phase.

I would think you would try to save yourself more maybe with the soft voter. Maybe it wouldn't have cleared you but it would be a 50/50 gamble if me, you, and Nova went on Dom and the rest on you.

I don't give a fuck about the soft voter. No offense to whoever that person is.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:28 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:21 pm @Fayt @novaselinenever @nutella @Michelle Let's lynch LC together.

I'm not lynching LC.

What are you gonna do if Dom is town?

I pinky promise that I won't play weird for the rest of the games on this site if you guys don't lynch me.

Have you guys never seen a townie play weird before?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:22 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:20 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:18 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:16 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:03 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:57 pm I don't think you guys actually that I'm scum. My behavior is bizarre to you guys and you associate with me being scum which imo more points to me being town instead of scum. About the other reasons like Rej not voting for me, well...I don't know what to tell you.

No, sorry but I do actually think you're scum. And no it's not some bias that I associate you with being scum, how would that even make sense?? You've been town in most of the games I've played with you, and one of the strongest townreads I had in them at that, so that's definitely not an issue. I suppose your bizarreness here is marking difference from those games, but meta is not really that much of a concern on top of the rest of my case for your catness based solely on the events of this game.

Huh? I wasn't talking about meta.

Then what? I thought you were town until this phase lol.

I'm talking about this game. I've been playing bizarre and you guys don't understand it so you attribute it to scum behavior. That's how I feel about it. The only reason against me that isn't linked to my bizarre play is Rej not voting for me which I can't explain.

What changed this DP for you to scum read me?

...I've been over this. Your strange vote behavior yesterday combined with the lack of vig kill

The lack of vig kill shows nothing. Literally nothing. It should not be used against me. My strange voting pattern points that I'm town. Why it does is because it is STRANGE. Like why would a mafia vote like that? Come on now.

[mention]Fayt[/mention] [mention]novaselinenever[/mention] [mention]nutella[/mention] [mention]Michelle[/mention] Let's lynch LC together.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:19 pm Though I guess I have been confirmation biasing a fair amount since forming my case on you today.

What bias?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:18 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:16 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:03 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:57 pm I don't think you guys actually that I'm scum. My behavior is bizarre to you guys and you associate with me being scum which imo more points to me being town instead of scum. About the other reasons like Rej not voting for me, well...I don't know what to tell you.

No, sorry but I do actually think you're scum. And no it's not some bias that I associate you with being scum, how would that even make sense?? You've been town in most of the games I've played with you, and one of the strongest townreads I had in them at that, so that's definitely not an issue. I suppose your bizarreness here is marking difference from those games, but meta is not really that much of a concern on top of the rest of my case for your catness based solely on the events of this game.

Huh? I wasn't talking about meta.

Then what? I thought you were town until this phase lol.

I'm talking about this game. I've been playing bizarre and you guys don't understand it so you attribute it to scum behavior. That's how I feel about it. The only reason against me that isn't linked to my bizarre play is Rej not voting for me which I can't explain.

What changed this DP for you to scum read me?

What are you guys going to do after I flip town? Lynch Dom? Lynch Fayt?

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:58 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:53 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:52 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:48 pm uhh ok so it sounds like the pit bull thing might explain that but drago is still not even attempting to make any sense lol

My understanding is that you guys are trying to understand why I'm behaving how I am?

this is correct

Ok, I can't explain to you guys in a logical explanation.

if JJJ overexplained and you cannot explain what we are going to do?

Unvote me?