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ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:08 am Dragomir in deadchat: "Occam's Razor is stupid, it shouldn't be a real thing, I've seen plenty of times where the simplest explanation wasn't what happened!"
No, I'm just not sure. I was heading in the direction that you were scum but now I don't need know what to think. I need to read more.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:21 pm Also,
I'm not personally offended or anything, but really? No read on me? Is it unfamiliarity?
That's cool bro.
I'm not comfortable voting on weak scum reads.speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:58 pmYou've got this nailed down to a POE of 5 on D1 and you aren't comfortable voting?Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:56 pm Its gonna be hard for me to participate in these remaining hours. I'm quite busy right now so EoD activity is a no go from my side.
My reads right now still have LC as scum but it's not as strong as before. Leetic has creeped up in my scum reads, but it's not very strong either. My reasons don't felt good enough to support a vote on him and I have had a couple mindmelds with him. His defense against my recent accusations were just as well.
Speedchuck is probably my strongest scum read atm doubt that's not saying much as it's still kinda weak, just barely above the other two. I don't think I'll be voting anybody for this phase.
My town reads, on the other hand, are quite strong. max, Sloonei, and FG are the highest; all three equal with each other. Turnip Head, TS, Ted, and Epi follow behind.
Radish and TSP are my remaining null reads.
Hmm, ok. I guess it's just a preference of play.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:29 pm I wanted to give Drago a chance, but his recent posts have not been very impressive. For example:
This is just disingenuous. I find it difficult to believe that this guy has never heard of the concept of pressuring, and it's weird that he hasn't called out Sloonei for doing basically the same thing. What, does he want me to try to drop everything a few hours into the thread and get someone lynched based on a minor suspicion?Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:37 pmDo you always just give a scum read, explain why, vote and then proceed to not actively get that person lynched? I know it was early in the DP but it's a pattern that I've seen you do. It sounds like you are more dependent on ppl agreeing with your assessment and joining the wagon. You don't seem like you actually want to get that player lynched.leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:13 amMikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:57 amI would like to know from you. Are you worried about me pocketing you?
I saw that. You still didn't explain what was wrong with his post but instead his energy drop.speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:13 amNope. I expanded later.Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:02 amThis was a pretty flat read. You basically did: "that post was bad for LC. So I vote LC now."(iirc you did vote for him after this post right?)speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:55 amHis third post and initial vote for Sloonei are pretty bad. I agree with that.
Not much else to look at.
There's no expansion. It's basic read that you can generate on anybody. It doesn't feel genuine. Add this to the pile for why Speedchuck is scum.
No, I don't have anything "interesting" in mind.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:45 am Drago's still throwing me off. Drago, you have the uncanny ability to show up when you get mentioned in the thread, so can you say something interesting that I can comfortably townread you for?
I see then.tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:38 amIt's generally against a wolf's nature to go on ranting for 3 pages. It gets very tiresome at some point. You won't and don't want to convince your wolf partner that you are wolf, because he already knows it.Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:35 amWhy shouldn't you? If it can make ppl think you're not wolf(which I assume would be the goal), then you wouldn't drag it out right? Do you believe that you accomplish that with much fewer posts?Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:49 pmyeah ted and I did it last game but it only went on for about 6 posts total, and that was enough to seal the win in the end. It’d be pointless to drag an act like that out over several pages.leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:46 pm For my feelings on the matter, while stranger things have happened, even when I pulled off the "argue with scumbuddy D1 about something pointless for distancing", I didn't do it for nearly as long. Sloonei and Mikey were quite dedicated in their argument, so I find it doubtful that they are w/w
That's why anti-spews are sudden and often related to a specific set of posts, maybe at EoD when one wolf is getting lynched. If you're a wolf, your word is truth, and stating the truth only takes a single line. If you're a town, you don't know the other person is a town, thus, it takes 3 pages of conflict before you lean one way or the other.
This is something I have a game problem with. Every townie has a goal of fulfilling the town win con. 99 percent of the time, that means not getting lynched if you can help it. A lot of us have developed a smooth town meta as to protect ourselves from being nightkilled early or caught too easily as scum.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:38 amWait, so are you admitting to forced contribution in order to get brownie points?Spoiler: show
I hate that I agree with this.leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:30 pm speedchuck's ISO is similarly shallow, asking questions about Mikey and going after LC are his only contributions. As LC was an easy target, it can easily seem like he's trying to blend in - especially given how the later posts have been only jokes or similar. [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine
Why shouldn't you? If it can make ppl think you're not wolf(which I assume would be the goal), then you wouldn't drag it out right? Do you believe that you accomplish that with much fewer posts?Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:49 pmyeah ted and I did it last game but it only went on for about 6 posts total, and that was enough to seal the win in the end. It’d be pointless to drag an act like that out over several pages.leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:46 pm For my feelings on the matter, while stranger things have happened, even when I pulled off the "argue with scumbuddy D1 about something pointless for distancing", I didn't do it for nearly as long. Sloonei and Mikey were quite dedicated in their argument, so I find it doubtful that they are w/w
No, I disagree. She's super casual and nonchalant in her posts. Everything feels natural, even some of the occasional awkwardness. She speaks her mind and doesn't care. A play style that reflects one of a town than a scum.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:28 pmHer play style is completely null.
I accept meta info from leetic, but that doesn't mean it's a bad vote right now.
Ok, could you at least answer the question tho?Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:09 amIt's not a real read, Drago. It's made-up to try and spur on conversation in a dead thread.Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:56 amWhile yes, I did do a false dichotomy with presenting only two options when there could be more, what is wrong with what you're doing is how you're dismissing the entire post as a fallacy even though only a part of it was. The entire reason for why I scum read you wasn't a fallacy but you keenly ignored having to explain yourself against me. If I must stress again, how does Sloonei not opening this game the say way he did in a previous game make him scum when many ppl never open the same way as well? I certainly didn't open the same way as in a previous game, you didn't either as this is the first game I've played with you where you voted for someone in your first post. So why were you being a hypocrite LC?Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:52 amFalse dichotomy.Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:47 amHave you know counters to my points about you?Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:45 amI haven't felt like myself lately...speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:34 am Assassin's creed has people in the modern day going into a matrix-like thing and reliving the lives of assassins of the past to gain skillz.
Maybe nutella and JJJ are like a templar and an assassin from the future and they're in our heads right now, living our lives, making our posts.
Yeah, I do have to agree with you on that one.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:03 amMostly, yes. I wouldn't call it strong, but it's a definite positive for LC. I don't see him staying up til 4 AM to produce a fake read if he's scum. Especially since the result was a town read on leetic; he wasn't even doing it to build a case on anyone.Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:58 amIs this just a meta read? It doesn't feel particularly strong.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:51 amFor drago's sake I decided to go back and read the couple of pages that I missed. I might be inclined to slap a town read on LC for this post alone. LC is not in the habit of getting carried away with analysis at 4 AM, quarantine or no quarantine. At least, I don't think he is. This is a good look.
This was a pretty flat read. You basically did: "that post was bad for LC. So I vote LC now."(iirc you did vote for him after this post right?)speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:55 amHis third post and initial vote for Sloonei are pretty bad. I agree with that.
Not much else to look at.
Is this just a meta read? It doesn't feel particularly strong.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:51 amFor drago's sake I decided to go back and read the couple of pages that I missed. I might be inclined to slap a town read on LC for this post alone. LC is not in the habit of getting carried away with analysis at 4 AM, quarantine or no quarantine. At least, I don't think he is. This is a good look.
While yes, I did do a false dichotomy with presenting only two options when there could be more, what is wrong with what you're doing is how you're dismissing the entire post as a fallacy even though only a part of it was. The entire reason for why I scum read you wasn't a fallacy but you keenly ignored having to explain yourself against me. If I must stress again, how does Sloonei not opening this game the say way he did in a previous game make him scum when many ppl never open the same way as well? I certainly didn't open the same way as in a previous game, you didn't either as this is the first game I've played with you where you voted for someone in your first post. So why were you being a hypocrite LC?Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:52 amFalse dichotomy.Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:47 amHave you know counters to my points about you?Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:45 amI haven't felt like myself lately...speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:34 am Assassin's creed has people in the modern day going into a matrix-like thing and reliving the lives of assassins of the past to gain skillz.
Maybe nutella and JJJ are like a templar and an assassin from the future and they're in our heads right now, living our lives, making our posts.
This post further backs up what I've been saying about you. Only giving reads to just get your contribution points. You don't sound like you want to lynch them but just want to say your scum reads. I hate that.leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:51 am Reads on a few more active players:
Dragomir: I think a lot of his posts have been more CWAC. I mean, there's very little that he has posted that Sloonei hadn't already posted, and he's only interacting with the same people that Sloonei had been. GTH scum, because I do not see him making his own content.
Funnygurl: Likely town, seems similar to her town play in the hydra game.
Master Radishes: I do like their posts so far, does seem like they are trying to solve the game and approaching multiple players, so town read.
Sloonei: I'd say town, as he is now trying to get discussion going.
tedxtr: I honestly am not a fan of this slot, I explained why their vote for me was kinda lame and I don't really like his "Was to shoot shit around, I wanted to bait a reaction or something", it seems like backtracking given that his initial vote for me was laden with the same amount of reasoning. Scum read for sure.
ts account: His play in this game is much different than what I'm used to, he's much more tunnelly than he usually is and is much less casual during D1. I haven't seen his scum play yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is it.
Wait, so are you admitting to forced contribution in order to get brownie points?leetic wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:23 amThey were the six most active people at that point. I couldn't go too deep into them as I had a physics class at 11 and I just wanted to contribute something before thenSloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:38 pm I want to return to this post as well:No one asked for this and it did not seem like it had any direction to it. leetic just plopped down six reads on six sporadically-selected names. I could see this being the product of a big bad wolf who wants to look proactive. The reads are all pretty superficial, and we can see the seeds of his ted vote which he is still clinging to at this very moment, and which I've just highlighted as the basis for my current vote. The dragomir suspicion also seems arbitrary, and the ts read is the kind of loosely-held suspicion that I could see as a mafioso putting a pin in a case in the event that it gains momentum later on.leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:51 am Reads on a few more active players:
Dragomir: I think a lot of his posts have been more CWAC. I mean, there's very little that he has posted that Sloonei hadn't already posted, and he's only interacting with the same people that Sloonei had been. GTH scum, because I do not see him making his own content.
Funnygurl: Likely town, seems similar to her town play in the hydra game.
Master Radishes: I do like their posts so far, does seem like they are trying to solve the game and approaching multiple players, so town read.
Sloonei: I'd say town, as he is now trying to get discussion going.
tedxtr: I honestly am not a fan of this slot, I explained why their vote for me was kinda lame and I don't really like his "Was to shoot shit around, I wanted to bait a reaction or something", it seems like backtracking given that his initial vote for me was laden with the same amount of reasoning. Scum read for sure.
ts account: His play in this game is much different than what I'm used to, he's much more tunnelly than he usually is and is much less casual during D1. I haven't seen his scum play yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is it.
You voted him.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:24 amWhere did you get the idea that I wanted Sloon's head?Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:22 amIt bothers me how Leetic never talked to Speed about his mechanical talk when he wanted Sloo's head when the latter did it.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:34 am Assassin's creed has people in the modern day going into a matrix-like thing and reliving the lives of assassins of the past to gain skillz.
Maybe nutella and JJJ are like a templar and an assassin from the future and they're in our heads right now, living our lives, making our posts.
I don't think so. Mafia tries their best to make as much sense as possible but in their attempt to do that, they can spear super fake and contrived. I don't get that feeling from Radish in that post.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:18 amIn your view do the mafia tend to make posts that make no sense as a rule? I don't give Radishes points for sounding wise in a post in which he is just postulating nothing and arrives nowhere.Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:15 amI like this post from Radish, more specifically, that second paragraph. It makes sense.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:16 amThis is my concern with TS too. I don't scum-read him for his overall reasoning/argument, as poor as I found it, but equally I don't get why I've seen one or two people say he and Sloonei must be civ/civ, as his general stubbornness does feel a bit like a scum who doesn't want to be seen backtracking.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:52 amYou could argue in a post-modern mafia setting that going after someone for mechanics talk is the new low hanging fruit. I don't think your suspicion of sloonei for this looks particularly genuine. It's an easy suspicion to fake early and you haven't really let it go, like you're afraid what it would look like if you backed down herets account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:15 amThere exists somewhere a big imaginary book of mafia. When players are good enough, they get a chance to write a chapter of the book. In some footnotes, you will find clear references to mechanical discussion being a scumtell. I do not know what to tell you beyond this. I am not the one who decides what are and aren't considered scumtells, though I do have a few scumtells of my own that I have not seen other players share.Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:09 am I could use the same logic against you. You have only played a fraction of the amount of mafia games that exist so you can't truly know that mechanical talk is widely considered a scumtell. It might have been from the games you've played but not the many others have.
So basically, trying to say that mechanical talk is a scumtell is bullshit. It's not a universal opinion. I want you to explain to me what really makes mechanical talk a bad thing.
Generally, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will struggle to generate content. This is the closest thing you can get to objective in mafia- sort by postcount will almost always win more games than any individual player's reads, it has been tested. As a result of this, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will latch onto low-hanging talking points. In mystery games especially, mechanical discussion is inevitable from any alignment, but scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) are happy to engage in this discourse, as it means they don't have to provide fake content.
Happy?
This is not a strong enough feeling for me to commit to an SR, as basing a read off a single prolonged discussion is not, in my experience, always the best tell. I'd rather see him get engaged in different discussions first.
It bothers me how Leetic never talked to Speed about his mechanical talk when he wanted Sloo's head when the latter did it.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:34 am Assassin's creed has people in the modern day going into a matrix-like thing and reliving the lives of assassins of the past to gain skillz.
Maybe nutella and JJJ are like a templar and an assassin from the future and they're in our heads right now, living our lives, making our posts.
I like this post from Radish, more specifically, that second paragraph. It makes sense.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:16 amThis is my concern with TS too. I don't scum-read him for his overall reasoning/argument, as poor as I found it, but equally I don't get why I've seen one or two people say he and Sloonei must be civ/civ, as his general stubbornness does feel a bit like a scum who doesn't want to be seen backtracking.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:52 amYou could argue in a post-modern mafia setting that going after someone for mechanics talk is the new low hanging fruit. I don't think your suspicion of sloonei for this looks particularly genuine. It's an easy suspicion to fake early and you haven't really let it go, like you're afraid what it would look like if you backed down herets account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:15 amThere exists somewhere a big imaginary book of mafia. When players are good enough, they get a chance to write a chapter of the book. In some footnotes, you will find clear references to mechanical discussion being a scumtell. I do not know what to tell you beyond this. I am not the one who decides what are and aren't considered scumtells, though I do have a few scumtells of my own that I have not seen other players share.Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:09 am I could use the same logic against you. You have only played a fraction of the amount of mafia games that exist so you can't truly know that mechanical talk is widely considered a scumtell. It might have been from the games you've played but not the many others have.
So basically, trying to say that mechanical talk is a scumtell is bullshit. It's not a universal opinion. I want you to explain to me what really makes mechanical talk a bad thing.
Generally, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will struggle to generate content. This is the closest thing you can get to objective in mafia- sort by postcount will almost always win more games than any individual player's reads, it has been tested. As a result of this, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will latch onto low-hanging talking points. In mystery games especially, mechanical discussion is inevitable from any alignment, but scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) are happy to engage in this discourse, as it means they don't have to provide fake content.
Happy?
This is not a strong enough feeling for me to commit to an SR, as basing a read off a single prolonged discussion is not, in my experience, always the best tell. I'd rather see him get engaged in different discussions first.
I agree with this. His reads all felt very forced and surface level especially the Sloonei one. His reason against him was unreasonable and lacked any sort of solid support behind it to warrant a vote. It felt like he wanted to sus somebody so he can contribute early on and Sloonei happened to be ittedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:35 am Horrendous Sloonei vote.
>votes Sloonei for setup speculation
> votes Mikey for pushing Sloonei for setup speculation when Mikey was speculating himself
> ends up on Mikey
Mikey = ts account
Also, it all feels contrived and fake and very surface level. Like he had no real suspicion in the first place. He just bounced out between reads even though it made no sense from a logical standpoint.
I believe that you stretched the fuck out of those 3 Ted posts that you quoted. Especially the first and last one. You really tried to make 'quite frankly' and 'trying to wrap my head around' look like something a scum would say even though that could easily just be a choice of wording that Ted simply wanted to type. It's not alignment indicative at all. You seriously tried to generate a scum read at Ted and I don't think it worked out too well.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:10 am Okay, here are a couple posts from Ted that pinged me:
Disclaimer: it's early D1 etc etc.
This is a cop out to talking about the (at the time) ongoing Sloonei-TS debate. 'Trying to wrap my head around the mess' comes across to me as a scum uncertain how to slip into the predominant conversation.
A light shading on TS (who I assume is Mikey), followed by a rather qualified reason for TRing Sloonei. Again, just reads as someone who is hesitant to lay down solid reads.tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:59 am If ts account is [NSM] Mikey I don't remember him being this jumpy actually.
linki : I liked how you reacted to ts account's push on you, particularly one post somewhere. I guess you handled the callout pretty well, it's maybe something to do with how bad the votes on you were that deceives me into it, but idrc for now, you're sloonei.
(Quote chain that I cut)
For one thing, it had definitely petered out by this point. But mainly, it has the tone of a scum who is trying to appear frustrated, e.g. 'quite frankly' and such phrasing.
The rest of his ISO is uninspiring. Mostly null posts that don't really indicate alignment either way, and nothing that looks townie enough to overrule my suspicions. Some of the other posts that don't sit well with me include a minor mechanics comments, a seemingly random and unexplained vote on Leetic ('this feels good for now', really?), and some weird commentary on a Mac who had barely entered the thread at that point. Even his entrance posts look a bit questionable under this light, but admittedly by this point I may be tunneling a bit.
Ted sits at the bottom of my list at the moment. I don't normally vote this early into the game, but hey, sometimes it's fun to switch things up. [VOTE: tedextr] aubergine
Do you always just give a scum read, explain why, vote and then proceed to not actively get that person lynched? I know it was early in the DP but it's a pattern that I've seen you do. It sounds like you are more dependent on ppl agreeing with your assessment and joining the wagon. You don't seem like you actually want to get that player lynched.leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:13 amMikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:57 amI would like to know from you. Are you worried about me pocketing you?
Wait, why?Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:18 pmI submit for your towncore consideration: Dragomir.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:17 pmI'd be willing to invite Ted into town core on the following conditions;Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:16 pmanyway look at thissssstedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:41 am Word salad. Leetic's post about Sloonei's activity at SoD felt out of place, so did his "setup speculation" post. In Sloonei's position as town, it's perfectly reasonable to ask about the absence of 2 players when it could be an issue that may cause a re-rand. If Leetic were scum though, it wouldn't be an issue because he'd know that his scum buds aren't missing so who the fuck cares about two townies missing.
look at this MINDSET
lol if i'm wrong on ted my confidence will sink
Ted also agrees that Mac, TS Account and Funnygirl are townlocks.
TS Account and Funnygirl have strong town read on Ted.
Wdym?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:25 pmalso what did I say?Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:14 pmI don't recall you ever following up on this tsp thought. Did something change for you on him?ts account wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:38 pm I have a soft mindmeld with leetic re: sloonei. However, I'm more suspicious of it because I do not think speculation of sloonei's nature is pro-town in any way. Since it is early enough in the game, this read is more of a town read on leetic than a condemnation of sloonei. I also want to point out TonyStarkPrime's callout of LongCon (and sloonei's somewhat, but Tony was not involved before this) which I think is not justified.
I can't make any more judgements until RVS is over, which is hopefully soon.
PS The submit and preview buttons are backwards.
This girl is a lock town for now. That could change as I continue reading.Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:57 pmleetic is my town bro because we're in a band together
it's called LEETIC AND THE BAND
/never forget
haha jk we're not town bros 'cause i'm a wolf
I disagree with that statement.leetic wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:14 pmLook at a game like this one. While there was some joking in the beginning, players were still putting reads on each other right off the bat. Five hours of absolutely nothing happening was unusual for here as far as I was concerned.Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:07 pmI have a question for you. Why didn't you consider talking about mechanics to be a "getting things going" action? It was the most pressing matter at the moment because their were 2 players that signed up and weren't added to the player list. It is of something to talk about you wouldn't say?leetic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:22 pm Usually much more has happened by now. This feels weird.
Right now, [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine. He is usually one of the more active people who tries to get stuff going, but right now his only contributions have been setup speculation. I'm not really seeing him trying to get any meaningful discussion going so I have to be suspicious.
What in your mind constitutes as getting things going? There were less than 5 ppl online at that time, everybody was trying to get their first posts in. What did you expect of Sloonei to be capable of doing at that time? I believe that you were unreasonably coming after him for not contributing when his options were very limited.
Mechanical talk isn't really a "getting things going" action because it tells you nothing about the alignment of the person doing it or other people.
It is fine and dandy and all that you don't like mechanical discussion, but why is that you specifically targeted Sloonei against and not turnip head who dis the exact same thing as Sloo. That being, talk about game mechanics?ts account wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:45 pmIt's a problem, because you were framing it as a potential game mechanic, when I do not think discussion of that avenue is fruitful for town.
You cannot. The best you can do is open up new tabs.
I don't recall you ever following up on this tsp thought. Did something change for you on him?ts account wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:38 pm I have a soft mindmeld with leetic re: sloonei. However, I'm more suspicious of it because I do not think speculation of sloonei's nature is pro-town in any way. Since it is early enough in the game, this read is more of a town read on leetic than a condemnation of sloonei. I also want to point out TonyStarkPrime's callout of LongCon (and sloonei's somewhat, but Tony was not involved before this) which I think is not justified.
I can't make any more judgements until RVS is over, which is hopefully soon.
PS The submit and preview buttons are backwards.
I agree with that statement from Ted. It's how things are appearing to be.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:09 pmThis is such a weird thing to say at this point.tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:08 pmI think wolves have little to no thread control and villagers are having a horrible day one.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:04 pm I think we are a bit of a mess right now and the mafia team would be content to maintain the status quo. Turnip Head is a player who stands out as not rocking the boat. I don't know if that's fair to say. I am making this assessment with only one foot in the game.
This post is still very bad from you LC. You scrutinize Sloo for not approaching the game the same way that he approached it in a previous game. That is a very illogical way of thinking. Most ppl never open two games the exact same way, we just don't. I have a question for you. Do you open the same way each game? If not then was it reasonable to come after Sloo for not opening the same way? Wouldn't that make you a hypocrite?Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:45 pmI would also say the same about JaggedJimmyJay, but he's Schrödinger's player right now. I'll join you on the Sloonei vote, he has three posts and they're all about an issue that's above his pay grade as a player. In A World Asunder, town Sloonei opened Day 1 with two town reads and a vote on a suspect. [VOTE: sloonei] aubergineleetic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:22 pm Usually much more has happened by now. This feels weird.
Right now, [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine. He is usually one of the more active people who tries to get stuff going, but right now his only contributions have been setup speculation. I'm not really seeing him trying to get any meaningful discussion going so I have to be suspicious.
I have a question for you. Why didn't you consider talking about mechanics to be a "getting things going" action? It was the most pressing matter at the moment because their were 2 players that signed up and weren't added to the player list. It is of something to talk about you wouldn't say?leetic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:22 pm Usually much more has happened by now. This feels weird.
Right now, [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine. He is usually one of the more active people who tries to get stuff going, but right now his only contributions have been setup speculation. I'm not really seeing him trying to get any meaningful discussion going so I have to be suspicious.
