The Syndicate

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 4:26 pm

Johann wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 1:20 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 12:41 pm give me the gun

What is your comment on recent posts

jack is onto something. y'all shoulda been more paranoid after a jack flip, not using the same poe

also, jack's alone

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 4:17 pm I’m prepared to take gman/hyena/wilgy/FG as town and lose if I’m wrong.

I’m also fine giving @Funnygurl555 the gun if she shoots outside that grouping. Then scum can either poison me tonight or watch me shoot another one tomorrow.

Johann wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 1:20 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 12:41 pm give me the gun

What is your comment on recent posts

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 12:00 am If you go through my mafia career, it is littered with players I’ve bussed. I rarely get bussed. I’m always the last wolf. Last wolf in Inception, Shockhead, MU Anniversary 2019, Kirby. Last two surviving wolves in Pirates, Wire. I bussed in MU Thrones Mash. I never get bussed, especially by the likes of Boo or Wilgy, who wont be able to endgame alone.

If I have a teammate, they don’t try to bus me yesterday and if I have a teammate, they see the Mac flip and go “guess Jack was town.”

Instead, Wilgy and Nanook still want me dead. Boo voted for Nanook after he said he wanted to shoot me and left without saying a word.

@Funnygurl555 @Johann @G-Man

You’re seeing this shit, right?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2020 5:46 pm Lol seriously why is nobody posting?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Johann @Funnygurl555

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:50 pm FG if you have an actual good reason to town read me to the degree you are I would love for you to play that trump card before I get 86ed.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:34 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:00 pm also idfk what's wrong with flip flopping. at least i'm out here acknowledging that i've been wrong. consistent reads are for twg gods or ppl who are too bullheaded and end up wrong, or wolves

I'm all about the flip flop life FG. Flip flop til ya don't stop I say.

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:16 pm @slooney

I asked boo to explain to me in simple terms why is dougall scum to him but he couldnt drop the victim mentality for one sec and kept saying some big words like.some politician

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:10 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:08 pm two years ago i was scum with an inactive partner. i bussed her and got her killed (i didn't mean to ;__;) and powerwolfed my way to endgame where i got S T O M P E D by a third party who won instead

johann your speculation is wifom imo, and i think answers would vary with what kinda players you're talking about

I just dont see a world where Jack buses Wilgy after going hard on boo

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 5:10 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 8:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:53 pm I kinda want to shoot Jack. Does anyone object?

I have no reason to single Jack out as a suspect. He wasn't here when I was here last night. But at least if he gets shot he can preserve his unlynchable claim some more.

I don't like that Jack is acting low key. He's also skating. He also won't get lynched if he's scum. I think he's a good shot. Maybe not the most likely to flip wolf but he's the most likely to flip wolf in a way that destroys the scum team if he is one.

Also I do think he is one. I don't believe half the shit he says. He's just applied an urgent scattery tone to the few posts he's made that makes it look authentic. He cleared Johann off being wrongtown and I never understand people that do that. Johann/Jack feel teamy to me.

I agree with the feel of Jack, but I wouldn't think them to be w/w.

That's two of the people you had previously confirmed. Was there anything other than the above that changed that?

So, if Jack is actually Wilgy's partner, would he push Jack but ALSO defend Johann here? Like, if his partner Jack flipped mafia, he'd WANT people to think Johann could be teamed with him. So, like, I'm pretty confident in saying that Jack and Wilgy are never w/w here.

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 1:05 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 12:19 pm

Johann wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 12:15 pm Hyena question for you

Why didnt you push for Dragomir despite scum reading him

I only started scumreading Dragomir at the beginning of D2. Two things happened that made me start scumreading him -- 1. Nutella flipped town, and 2. he voted to give Nanook the gun after Nanook said he wouldn't shoot Drago if he received the gun. I feel like I brought up both of these points multiple times throughout D2. That was my push on Dragomir. I wasn't as active on D2 as I was on D1, though, so maybe the volume of my posts (or the lack of it) made it feel like less of a push? Like, I feel like I did push for Drago.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:58 am I strongly do not want Johann to have the gun

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:51 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:49 am

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:48 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:47 am

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:45 am When it comes to that kind of talk i believe mafia is the one that has to think about it

Town doesn't have to think about that - it aint in our place to do so - our goal is simple
Mafia on other hand has to talk about such mechanics and all possibilities

boo was replying to dusk thinking about his own death and he called it predictable and.... "unimaginative"

His whole post has no use for us tho? Everyone already knew Dush being poisoned is obv.
Did we really need an essay on it why?

boo has made any essays. i'm not surprised he made one about night kill speculation

So let me get this straight
Out of all post boo has done - the one he talks about why dusk was poisoned when we all know why dusk was poisoned - is what makes him a townie to you?

Cause that what it is when it you break it down to the core

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:51 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:49 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:47 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:42 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:39 am

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:33 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am

TBD. Nanook had a list somewhere, someone in it. I'd like to think Mac and Jack are teammates, but it seems a bit too easy. I think it's probably only actually one of them, and the other is playing the other.

I can see Mac as scum more than Jack
Sell me that pitch by your words and not nanooks

I'm not really invested in you voting with me. Whichever one of them hatched this scheme doesn't expect you to be on my side of this, and even then, I still see being able to get the numbers to burn them on what they did here. So if you're more open-minded then they thought, it's still easier for me to show you that it's worth risking trusting me through my interactions with other people, not directly with you. You don't trust me. Fair enough. I've given you reason not to. So you're to tunneled on me to not be able to find a way to doubt anything I can tell you. If you have more specific questions I can try and help you get there that way, but I'm not going to be able to sell you on trusting me in the way you're asking here.

;______; this looks townie y'all

Lol no it doesn't.

"I only look bad because the players making decent points about me are wolves" is not...

Just no. I disagree.

he isn't trying to recruit people to his side he's just doing his own thing

He is currently the most present and focused on contributing making he has been all game or at least since his omgus on Nutella and it's to OMGUS me and Jack. He hasn't even attempted to ISO or gamesolve and is preferring to ate and accuse us of masterminding schemes and being out to get him.

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:48 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:47 am

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:45 am When it comes to that kind of talk i believe mafia is the one that has to think about it

Town doesn't have to think about that - it aint in our place to do so - our goal is simple
Mafia on other hand has to talk about such mechanics and all possibilities

boo was replying to dusk thinking about his own death and he called it predictable and.... "unimaginative"

His whole post has no use for us tho? Everyone already knew Dush being poisoned is obv.
Did we really need an essay on it why?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:47 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:42 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:39 am

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:33 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:25 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:23 am @G-Man Jack and Mac are running a divide and conquer gambit. It's playing off of Johann's total distrust of me, your and Wilgy's general not keeping up, FGs regularly going all over the place as she tries to make up her mind, and my ability to generally alienate other town. I'm not really sure how they're fitting in Hyena.

If you trust your gut, (currently) vote for me, along with me and Nanook. We may need to shift the vote over to FG later in the day, bit that's where things currently stand.

In case you get the gun.
Who dies?

TBD. Nanook had a list somewhere, someone in it. I'd like to think Mac and Jack are teammates, but it seems a bit too easy. I think it's probably only actually one of them, and the other is playing the other.

I can see Mac as scum more than Jack
Sell me that pitch by your words and not nanooks

I'm not really invested in you voting with me. Whichever one of them hatched this scheme doesn't expect you to be on my side of this, and even then, I still see being able to get the numbers to burn them on what they did here. So if you're more open-minded then they thought, it's still easier for me to show you that it's worth risking trusting me through my interactions with other people, not directly with you. You don't trust me. Fair enough. I've given you reason not to. So you're to tunneled on me to not be able to find a way to doubt anything I can tell you. If you have more specific questions I can try and help you get there that way, but I'm not going to be able to sell you on trusting me in the way you're asking here.

;______; this looks townie y'all

Lol no it doesn't.

"I only look bad because the players making decent points about me are wolves" is not...

Just no. I disagree.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:45 am
Need I remind you that wolves say all kinds of shit.

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:45 am When it comes to that kind of talk i believe mafia is the one that has to think about it

Town doesn't have to think about that - it aint in our place to do so - our goal is simple
Mafia on other hand has to talk about such mechanics and all possibilities

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:43 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:35 am

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:21 am

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:00 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:50 pm I doubt scum jack poisons me btw considering i was strongly townreading him a lot of yesterday and changed the shot off him last night, regardless of how widely townread I am. That is unless a different partner needed me dead, but worth thinking about. I would say I am likely dying for being consensus town so my scumreads while a good reference point aren't going to be everything, but mafia I am townreading would still have no reason to want me dead. So if anything probably take away my townread from my death rather than my scumreads

All townreads of someone poisoned are inherently irrelevant.

Once poisoned, you cannot get the gun. Who you trust is not going to weigh into who will then be shot the night after you die.

SR reads can be more relevant, if the mafia think they'll hold enough water to result in someone you suspect getting shot.

So, as with most mafia kills, it all boils down to WIFOM of "would they kill someone to (soon) shut them up, so people ignore their SR" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... ah shit, they weren't actually relevant and we got town" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... but maybe they expected that, so let's not listen!" vs etc, etc.

The only useful takeaway from your being poisoned is that the mafia we have here went for the unimaginative option. You were the runnerup for the gun, and in general unlikely to ever be shot, and poisoning you means you cannot get the gun today. Those are all directly useful things we don't have to wonder about them thinking, they're why you're the unimaginative option. But the mafia can't control if and how your reads come into play by deciding to kill you. It's even WIFOM for them until it goes through, because they don't know how the town will react to it.

this is why i tr'd boo

For that?
For talking game mechanics?

well from that i don't think killing duskfall would be boo's decision, and i also think boo would really wanna talk about sTrAtEgY in a maf chat

Boo: Lol nobody read too hard into Dusk's death!
FG: This means Boo probably didn't kill Dusk.
Jack:

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:39 am

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:33 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:25 am

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:23 am @G-Man Jack and Mac are running a divide and conquer gambit. It's playing off of Johann's total distrust of me, your and Wilgy's general not keeping up, FGs regularly going all over the place as she tries to make up her mind, and my ability to generally alienate other town. I'm not really sure how they're fitting in Hyena.

If you trust your gut, (currently) vote for me, along with me and Nanook. We may need to shift the vote over to FG later in the day, bit that's where things currently stand.

In case you get the gun.
Who dies?

TBD. Nanook had a list somewhere, someone in it. I'd like to think Mac and Jack are teammates, but it seems a bit too easy. I think it's probably only actually one of them, and the other is playing the other.

I can see Mac as scum more than Jack
Sell me that pitch by your words and not nanooks

I'm not really invested in you voting with me. Whichever one of them hatched this scheme doesn't expect you to be on my side of this, and even then, I still see being able to get the numbers to burn them on what they did here. So if you're more open-minded then they thought, it's still easier for me to show you that it's worth risking trusting me through my interactions with other people, not directly with you. You don't trust me. Fair enough. I've given you reason not to. So you're to tunneled on me to not be able to find a way to doubt anything I can tell you. If you have more specific questions I can try and help you get there that way, but I'm not going to be able to sell you on trusting me in the way you're asking here.

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:36 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:35 am

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:21 am

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:00 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:50 pm I doubt scum jack poisons me btw considering i was strongly townreading him a lot of yesterday and changed the shot off him last night, regardless of how widely townread I am. That is unless a different partner needed me dead, but worth thinking about. I would say I am likely dying for being consensus town so my scumreads while a good reference point aren't going to be everything, but mafia I am townreading would still have no reason to want me dead. So if anything probably take away my townread from my death rather than my scumreads

All townreads of someone poisoned are inherently irrelevant.

Once poisoned, you cannot get the gun. Who you trust is not going to weigh into who will then be shot the night after you die.

SR reads can be more relevant, if the mafia think they'll hold enough water to result in someone you suspect getting shot.

So, as with most mafia kills, it all boils down to WIFOM of "would they kill someone to (soon) shut them up, so people ignore their SR" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... ah shit, they weren't actually relevant and we got town" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... but maybe they expected that, so let's not listen!" vs etc, etc.

The only useful takeaway from your being poisoned is that the mafia we have here went for the unimaginative option. You were the runnerup for the gun, and in general unlikely to ever be shot, and poisoning you means you cannot get the gun today. Those are all directly useful things we don't have to wonder about them thinking, they're why you're the unimaginative option. But the mafia can't control if and how your reads come into play by deciding to kill you. It's even WIFOM for them until it goes through, because they don't know how the town will react to it.

this is why i tr'd boo

For that?
For talking game mechanics?

well from that i don't think killing duskfall would be boo's decision, and i also think boo would really wanna talk about sTrAtEgY in a maf chat

I meant, out of all of his posts he done this game the one he talks about game mechanics is most valuable one?
Not his reads overall? Opinions?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:33 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:29 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:16 amSeriously?

it was a really well-done and genuine looking ate if g-man's town

which idk if that's something he can do but it's lame and i'd be pissy about it post-game

but who knows? i tr'd long con in ac for that self vote

but anyways idk if g-man does shifty strats like that

AtE should be alignment neutral, if one alignment can do it so can the other.

but... but but but but he was sad 'cause he didn't feel included in y'alls community T-T i felt for the guy

I mean I’ve said similar shit as mafia, I don’t think it’s particularly AI. YMMV

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:21 am

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:00 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:50 pm I doubt scum jack poisons me btw considering i was strongly townreading him a lot of yesterday and changed the shot off him last night, regardless of how widely townread I am. That is unless a different partner needed me dead, but worth thinking about. I would say I am likely dying for being consensus town so my scumreads while a good reference point aren't going to be everything, but mafia I am townreading would still have no reason to want me dead. So if anything probably take away my townread from my death rather than my scumreads

All townreads of someone poisoned are inherently irrelevant.

Once poisoned, you cannot get the gun. Who you trust is not going to weigh into who will then be shot the night after you die.

SR reads can be more relevant, if the mafia think they'll hold enough water to result in someone you suspect getting shot.

So, as with most mafia kills, it all boils down to WIFOM of "would they kill someone to (soon) shut them up, so people ignore their SR" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... ah shit, they weren't actually relevant and we got town" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... but maybe they expected that, so let's not listen!" vs etc, etc.

The only useful takeaway from your being poisoned is that the mafia we have here went for the unimaginative option. You were the runnerup for the gun, and in general unlikely to ever be shot, and poisoning you means you cannot get the gun today. Those are all directly useful things we don't have to wonder about them thinking, they're why you're the unimaginative option. But the mafia can't control if and how your reads come into play by deciding to kill you. It's even WIFOM for them until it goes through, because they don't know how the town will react to it.

this is why i tr'd boo

For that?
For talking game mechanics?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:29 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:16 amSeriously?

it was a really well-done and genuine looking ate if g-man's town

which idk if that's something he can do but it's lame and i'd be pissy about it post-game

but who knows? i tr'd long con in ac for that self vote

but anyways idk if g-man does shifty strats like that

AtE should be alignment neutral, if one alignment can do it so can the other.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:28 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:27 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:25 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:59 am Jackofhearts2005 if it's between you and hyena, hyena isn't someone i'd shoot. so it has to be you

if it's between you and mac, mac is town, therefore i'd shoot you

idr what the two nanook said was

y'all really about to not give me the gun? w/e. then give it to me next time

None of this tells me why you suspect me. I want to know why you suspect me so I can tell you why you're wrong.

I get that you're blasting Boo over me. That's a good thing. But I'll be damned if anyone is ever going to shoot me without laying out exactly their reasons for doing so such that we can evaluate if they made a mistake or if they were full of shit.

It's very important that people who suspect me say exactly why they suspect me. Not why they don't suspect others. Not a blanket "everything Jack said is verified bullshit." Not "Fuck you, I'm confirmed town." Not "Jack is meh." Actual reasons that people think I could be mafia. Cause I'm not. A townie will either have understandable but wrong reasons or they'll see the light and not shoot me.

i don't like you because you're trying to break up a poe that people have been building up over the game. and after drago was shot down, there's some credibility to that poe

but that also means you'd die, or the wolves would die. it's a good deep wolf strat and it's making me uneasy

What POE am I trying to break up? Specifically.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:25 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:59 am Jackofhearts2005 if it's between you and hyena, hyena isn't someone i'd shoot. so it has to be you

if it's between you and mac, mac is town, therefore i'd shoot you

idr what the two nanook said was

y'all really about to not give me the gun? w/e. then give it to me next time

None of this tells me why you suspect me. I want to know why you suspect me so I can tell you why you're wrong.

I get that you're blasting Boo over me. That's a good thing. But I'll be damned if anyone is ever going to shoot me without laying out exactly their reasons for doing so such that we can evaluate if they made a mistake or if they were full of shit.

It's very important that people who suspect me say exactly why they suspect me. Not why they don't suspect others. Not a blanket "everything Jack said is verified bullshit." Not "Fuck you, I'm confirmed town." Not "Jack is meh." Actual reasons that people think I could be mafia. Cause I'm not. A townie will either have understandable but wrong reasons or they'll see the light and not shoot me.

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:23 am @G-Man Jack and Mac are running a divide and conquer gambit. It's playing off of Johann's total distrust of me, your and Wilgy's general not keeping up, FGs regularly going all over the place as she tries to make up her mind, and my ability to generally alienate other town. I'm not really sure how they're fitting in Hyena.

If you trust your gut, (currently) vote for me, along with me and Nanook. We may need to shift the vote over to FG later in the day, bit that's where things currently stand.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:16 amSeriously?

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:00 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:50 pm I doubt scum jack poisons me btw considering i was strongly townreading him a lot of yesterday and changed the shot off him last night, regardless of how widely townread I am. That is unless a different partner needed me dead, but worth thinking about. I would say I am likely dying for being consensus town so my scumreads while a good reference point aren't going to be everything, but mafia I am townreading would still have no reason to want me dead. So if anything probably take away my townread from my death rather than my scumreads

All townreads of someone poisoned are inherently irrelevant.

Once poisoned, you cannot get the gun. Who you trust is not going to weigh into who will then be shot the night after you die.

SR reads can be more relevant, if the mafia think they'll hold enough water to result in someone you suspect getting shot.

So, as with most mafia kills, it all boils down to WIFOM of "would they kill someone to (soon) shut them up, so people ignore their SR" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... ah shit, they weren't actually relevant and we got town" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... but maybe they expected that, so let's not listen!" vs etc, etc.

The only useful takeaway from your being poisoned is that the mafia we have here went for the unimaginative option. You were the runnerup for the gun, and in general unlikely to ever be shot, and poisoning you means you cannot get the gun today. Those are all directly useful things we don't have to wonder about them thinking, they're why you're the unimaginative option. But the mafia can't control if and how your reads come into play by deciding to kill you. It's even WIFOM for them until it goes through, because they don't know how the town will react to it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:15 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:15 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:14 am Scum king is Boo

Royalty is G-Man and FG
Jester is Jack

Everyone else is cleared.

Gg welcome to Mac town.

NEITHER ME NOR G-MAN ARE WOLVES HERE

Go ahead and clear G-man plz.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:14 am Scum king is Boo

Royalty is G-Man and FG
Jester is Jack

Everyone else is cleared.

Gg welcome to Mac town.