The Syndicate

Actually I would assume that mafia can choose not to kill.

Otherwise it’s kind of broken once there’s one mafia left.

Mitigating those soft clears is that MP would be fairly tied to his old reads, yeah? I’ll have to go back and check what his readslist was before he died the first time, but as I recall it was pretty close to what he was pushing as scum, he just pushed it softer? Which suggests to me that he was building up to opening the POE.

Idk for sure though I’ll have to go back and look at stuff and that’s not happening right this second.

I’m basically saying if it’s a fake claim I’ll lose to it, tbh

I mean if it’s a fake claim it runs the risk of “ok let’s try it then,” yeah?

Like, I don’t think we really should given that our towncore is big enough it wouldn’t really narrow the suspects much, but...it’s still a bit of an unnecessary risk for him if he’s scum yeah?

That’s a pretty weird fake claim tbh

I almost always hate when people ask “should I claim my role?”

We don’t know what your role is how the hell can anyone but you give an answer to that.

DDL basically clear, did not need to come back and switch his vote.

Jack pretty clear from mechanics.

Tony unlikely to be mafia (odds we had two mafia up at EOD?)

Hyena less clear but still lots of reasons to think they’re town.

Wilgy very unlikely mafia.

That just leaves chuck and Jules yeah?

And if it’s not one of them then fuck if I know.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:35 pm What if the last wolf is Nanook half for serious and half just to piss him off?

Why are you like this

I’m gonna go play morbid games for a bit now

Inb4 jack tries to pretend I didn’t kill MP

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:16 pm You said my reads were bad but I was right about MP both times before he flipped.

And if you’d listened to me MP would still be town

BuT kIlLiNg LuRkErS iS bAd

I’ll move to MP in case he does

Yeah me and DDL are one vote

Idk if DDL is coming back before EOD or not he didn’t respond to my ping

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:48 pm If we mislynch Tony, I think we win by lynching Juliets, MP and Nanook.

What happens if we mislynch MP? Or Juliets?

Why are your reads so bad this game jack jfc

Let’s Kill MP Before He Has A Chance To Powerwolf, Also Known As The Nutella Special

Or it’s WIFOM.

Let’s kill him and figure it out from there though, that sounds fun!

I’d switch to MP, lemme see if DDL is around/willing to

I mean, to be totally honest if jack weren’t soft cleared by mechanics I’d be looking pretty hard at him.

But, like, it’s such a waste for scum for radishes to steal Jack’s role N1, and it’s a useless role so they’d basically be punting half the night.

It’s just...it’s a lot to get past, his bad reads so far aside

IM JUST TRYING TO LOVE YOU

Why does my town core hate me so

I mean, I wouldn’t say I was forced to self prez onto radishes, there was time for other options, but hyena bargaining me over is a pretty strong reason to TR him.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:05 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:03 pm Why won’t you accept my love Tony
paranoia, I guess. I think whenever I'm in a POE my natural response is to start reaching for the mastermind behind all this instead of just reaching for the fifth most likely name or whatever.

I’ve been defending you tho, you haven’t really been in my POE. Like I’ve actively tried to keep you out of the POE.

My impression is that Juliets dislikes being misunderstood and approaches suspicion on her as a misunderstanding, she tries to clear it up in her fairly wordy style.

Idk if that’s accurate or not

Why won’t you accept my love Tony

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:55 pm Me and Juliets [VOTE: Tonystarkprime] aubergine

Let it rand!

You’re giving me PTSD

I know at least myself and speed told you why not hyena.

Somebody else probably did too.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:46 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:45 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:44 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:41 pm Winning POE is 2 wolves in 4 players yeah?
DDL, Nanook, Jack, Hyena, Speed, Juliets, Wilgy, MP.

8 players.

Mislynch? 6 players.

Mislynch? 4 players. We lose with 2 wolves.

So it’s 2 wolves in 3. We have one mislynch, assuming 2 wolves and no voting shenanigans.
We have 9 players what’re you on about
Jack doesn't even know Tony exists.

Scum slip leaving their partner out?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:44 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:41 pm Winning POE is 2 wolves in 4 players yeah?
DDL, Nanook, Jack, Hyena, Speed, Juliets, Wilgy, MP.

8 players.

Mislynch? 6 players.

Mislynch? 4 players. We lose with 2 wolves.

So it’s 2 wolves in 3. We have one mislynch, assuming 2 wolves and no voting shenanigans.

We have 9 players what’re you on about

Assuming we’re at 7/2

I guess it’s possible we’re at 6/2/1? Syndicate does love their 3p

That would kinda suck

Winning POE is 2 wolves in 4 players yeah?

So the only TRs of Tony are me and wilgy?

Woof

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:31 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:27 pm Secret TK is not town sided.

Yesterday was a pretty much perfect example why.
Mmm, you’re wrong. I think. I don’t know. I don’t think it’s stupidly broken for town, but it’s almost certainly a better baseline.

I pretty well disagree, but we can talk about it after the game.

Secret TK is not town sided.

Yesterday was a pretty much perfect example why.

Who is that regarding? Wilgy or MP?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:20 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:57 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:52 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:48 pm That’s a pretty bad vote Tony
Why? Who am I supposed to vote? I can be pretty easily goaded as town, but I don’t feel that this matches Speed’s scum games at all. Juliets is... I don’t know.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 59#p603559

Is there a reason wilgy and MP are nonstarters for you?

Also weren’t you on chuck like 20 minutes ago
I’m hesitant to lynch a first day replacement. Wilgy is my partner. He won’t agree to voting for himself.

Ah right forgot wilgy wasn’t possible for you.

Fair enough then, carry on

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:34 pm Maybe I’m biased into thinking tony is town because I feel like I have a decent understanding of him game/a fairly few of the accusations against him remind me of stuff that gets levied at me sometimes, but like, I just don’t really see “he changed his mind and didn’t document it in excruciating detail in thread” as being particularly AI
Nanook, my biggest issue is those MR posts where he is chasing Tony. Is your read that MR was trying to get a townie instead of distancing?

linki looks like we are doing GTH

Yeah, that’s what it looked like to me tbh. I dunno that I’d ride or die with it, but that was my first impression yeah.

Gth is so much more annoying than usual when you don’t even consolidate it, jfc

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:49 pm Can we just take a poll between the towncore of DDL, Hyena, Nanook and Jack of how many townread Juliets, Tony, Speed, Wilgy and MP?

I townread Speed. I’m not confident enough by a long shot to fight for or against the others.

I uh

Have an an annoying answer

I don’t TR chuck but I also don’t have the good reason to SR him I thought I did

Wilgy only playing when he’s potentially under pressure is kinda meh but I’d be lying if I said that was a good way to read most people

MP’s slot was a zero until today and he hasn’t done much to change that yet, I guess I’m hoping he does tomorrow but damn that slot is tough to keep putting off.

Chuck maybe not being scum means I need to rethink Jules and Tony, but like...I still see town when I read them, so I don’t even know.

I’m pretty much at “let’s kill wilgy and/or MP and figure it out from there” tbh.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:45 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:36 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:32 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:34 am My POE is currently chuck/new MP/wilgy*

If there’s only one mafia in there and not both then I need to reconsider juliets and tony. I’m pretty much just accepting hyena as town, same with DDL (I honestly can’t remember why but I think I had a good reason, if I didn’t I’ll realize it later and correct accordingly, too tired to figure it out now). And jack, obviously. But we’ll cross the juliets/Tony bridge if/when we get there, basically not interested in them before the three I listed.

*a derp is enough to buy you a day, but it’s fairly easily faked if we’re being totally honest so it’s not enough to keep him out of POE after nutella flipped the wrong alignment.
Wait, why are you accepting Hyena as town?
Primarily him bargaining me over to radishes D1. It’s so much the opposite of his style when we played scum together last year, most players don’t change that drastically over the course of a year so I’m giving him a strong TR.
But should this be an argument for why Tony shouldn't vote Hyena?

It’s an argument for why nobody should vote hyena imo

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:44 pm I've realized I still enjoy the more social aspects of mafia but catching up on hundreds of posts is basically torture.

I think next time I'll play one of those games that have restriced post count.

Keep an eye out for Ziggy Stardust Mafia, coming soon to a racket near you.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:37 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:34 pm Maybe I’m biased into thinking tony is town because I feel like I have a decent understanding of him game/a fairly few of the accusations against him remind me of stuff that gets levied at me sometimes, but like, I just don’t really see “he changed his mind and didn’t document it in excruciating detail in thread” as being particularly AI
I've been burned by this myself, as recently as that damn MU champs practice game. I feel like it's really hard to tell whether it's more likely a townie who didn't remember and/or explain their feelings fully versus scum with agenda that wasn't well thought out and/or fabricated.

Yeah, I think “you didn’t justify it!” Isn’t particularly AI (I say this especially as someone that often doesn’t fully explain their reads).

So many typos jfc

Maybe I’m biased into thinking tony is town because I feel like I have a decent understanding of him game/a fairly few of the accusations against him remind me of stuff that gets levied at me sometimes, but like, I just don’t really see “he changed his mind and didn’t document it in excruciating detail in thread” as being particularly AI

I don’t see that as a particularly strong TR or as a read a townie couldn’t change their mind on without much notice though?

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:28 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:26 pm Tbf “I think I know why hyena is townread” isn’t the same as “I townread hyena.”
I quoted him townreading me when I made a case on him earlier. I'll pull it up again.

It’s ok, I believe you

EOD is in like 2.5 hours, is everyone asleep?

Tbf “I think I know why hyena is townread” isn’t the same as “I townread hyena.”

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:52 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:48 pm That’s a pretty bad vote Tony
Why? Who am I supposed to vote? I can be pretty easily goaded as town, but I don’t feel that this matches Speed’s scum games at all. Juliets is... I don’t know.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 59#p603559

Is there a reason wilgy and MP are nonstarters for you?

Also weren’t you on chuck like 20 minutes ago

That’s a pretty bad vote Tony

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:32 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:34 am My POE is currently chuck/new MP/wilgy*

If there’s only one mafia in there and not both then I need to reconsider juliets and tony. I’m pretty much just accepting hyena as town, same with DDL (I honestly can’t remember why but I think I had a good reason, if I didn’t I’ll realize it later and correct accordingly, too tired to figure it out now). And jack, obviously. But we’ll cross the juliets/Tony bridge if/when we get there, basically not interested in them before the three I listed.

*a derp is enough to buy you a day, but it’s fairly easily faked if we’re being totally honest so it’s not enough to keep him out of POE after nutella flipped the wrong alignment.
Wait, why are you accepting Hyena as town?

Primarily him bargaining me over to radishes D1. It’s so much the opposite of his style when we played scum together last year, most players don’t change that drastically over the course of a year so I’m giving him a strong TR.

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