The Syndicate

Me: omg my first ever IC! I can slank and shitpost to my heart's content and don't have to worry about being a liability to town or getting mischopped! This is so freeing!

Also me: *gets shot by Vig N1*

I say we be spicy, not boring.

Good night.

I don't like any of the current wagons. I didn't intend to sit on my vanity wagon but I may just do it anyway.

SPF, Nutella, Jay, LC, leetic

Just noting.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:34 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:31 pm Why can't people be hedgey? It's D1 and the wolves aren't obvious.
[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine Yeah that isn't happening.

All this "x could be scum, but could also be town" and "I don't want to vote for anyone, they're all so towny" doesn't help town at all and makes it easy for wolves to hide.

Ah yes, as opposed to people overstating their confidence on their reads, which wolves simply find impossible to fake doing.

Why can't people be hedgey? It's D1 and the wolves aren't obvious.

See this is why I chose someone 'off the board' a bit. If I don't have any good leads then may as well play darts with a middle-presence slot.

It's always interesting to note *when* the 'MR is uninspiring' narrative first picks up. I'm not actually sure I've noticed a particular pattern to it - sometimes it's mid round, sometimes it's later, sometimes it's not until D2.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:50 pm [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Response to SPF is pretty fart

There's nothing much I feel the need to say to her or to anyone. SPF's was a fairly lazy but understandable reaction to my posts. People who high post and give 'effort' don't tend to like people who hang around not keeping up with them, and all it takes is a little thing to nitpick (such as my 'shrug' at the Mac thing) to become 'PoE because why not'. This is particularly true in a gamestate with quality players doing quality things - it's hard to find good wolves on D1 and easy to go after the leftovers of the lobby.

I've given a few passing thoughts on things I had passing thoughts on, but I will not be making any effort to do more, particularly not in D1. I stand by my initial bold declaration - I will not be a miselim this game.

Dear SPF,

Please refer to my opening post in this game.

Best,

Radishes

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:07 pm Anyway, I still don't feel particularly inspired to get into reading today. Maybe this is just how I play D1 now. I largely don't know what's going on apart from feels. So sorry about that. I don't plan on not playing the game, but this day phase has just been bleh, and I'm tired.

Hi, welcome to radish style Mafia. You are officially a jaded vet of the game.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:02 pm Can I get a brief summary of the main wagons so that I can attempt to weigh in on stuff?

The only one with actual clear reasoning is Mac's for questionable mech usage (but falcon is vouching for him). The rest are various shades of shrugs.

I was legally obligated to play as a winner (technically) of Philo 1.

But I did not expect it to fill this quickly nor with this quality of players. I also should not be playing Mafia at this time tbh.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:30 pm How is Anne better than NAA? In what ways is Anne scummy to you?

Dunno but I'm sure I'll think of reasons eventually.

Yeah having not read his posts at all, just based on past games and the feel of this game, NAA feels like a shruggy cop-out vote.

But also I don't know what I'm talking about basically at all so.

Let's vote Anne instead?

Lmao why is that emoji there. Stupid fingers on my stupid phone.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:39 am I don’t really know what else to say, but that just sounds like a terrible role.

The OP does state that all roles are independent of alignment and the setup was created with this in mind.

I think this sort of thing would be accounted for tbh, or at least I have raisins for thinking so.

That's good because my plan to give a town point to the first person to shrug at me worked.

Yeah my voice carries no weight but Marmot is probably just town. Partially meta based read on this.

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:10 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:01 am Mac's story doesn't feel like a lie? When mafia lie about mechanics they tend to either keep it simple ('I'm a cop') or overly complex ('I'm a cop on Nights that fall within the fibonacci sequence but I only get a result if its a 3P who has activated their ability and I get a double cop on N1'). Mac's story is specific in a different way ('after 26 hours I got fed up and used it') that is unlikely to be fabricated.

Or it is just a clever lie I guess, which is also a possibility because uh we're starting to reach peak 'confirmed town' in a game that's supposedly not bastard, so I can only imagine the power Mafia have here.
It doesn’t have to be a lie for him to be mafia. I don’t have any gripes with the claim I have gripes with how he used his role. And idc if he waited 26 hours I’m sure mac would see the value in having his slot cleared especially when people were already wary of him at the start of the game, especially when he has the ability to carry this game himself if he became clear and tried. What does clearing falcon achieve for town? I’ve seen falcon cleared one game before and he just proceeded to stop caring about the game and essentially 5 posted every day phase, it was a bad decision by mac if he’s town to clear falcon over himself considering ive heard falcon is pretty easy to read from others and the fact that falcon is gonna sheep Mac regardless despite being the clear and i think too highly of Mac to think he would make a bad play like that whilst simultaneously having a poe that I have an immense amount of trouble seeing of having any sense to it. He essentially has me and 2 slots who I have clearing interactions with on his poe, it’s just incredibly strange to believe that he legitimately believes me being scum with either dizzy or Cassandra makes sense based on the interactions I’ve had with both slots.

Counterpoint: it sounds exactly like Mac to get bored of waiting and make a snap decision.

You might be right of course. I do think someone amongst the 'clears' could easily be lying or else Mafia have extra PR power.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:04 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:01 am Mac's story doesn't feel like a lie? When mafia lie about mechanics they tend to either keep it simple ('I'm a cop') or overly complex ('I'm a cop on Nights that fall within the fibonacci sequence but I only get a result if its a 3P who has activated their ability and I get a double cop on N1'). Mac's story is specific in a different way ('after 26 hours I got fed up and used it') that is unlikely to be fabricated.

Or it is just a clever lie I guess, which is also a possibility because uh we're starting to reach peak 'confirmed town' in a game that's supposedly not bastard, so I can only imagine the power Mafia have here.

It can be truth, and Mac can be mafia fwiw

I realise this. But occam's razor and all that.

[VOTE: Anne] aubergine

Mac's story doesn't feel like a lie? When mafia lie about mechanics they tend to either keep it simple ('I'm a cop') or overly complex ('I'm a cop on Nights that fall within the fibonacci sequence but I only get a result if its a 3P who has activated their ability and I get a double cop on N1'). Mac's story is specific in a different way ('after 26 hours I got fed up and used it') that is unlikely to be fabricated.

Or it is just a clever lie I guess, which is also a possibility because uh we're starting to reach peak 'confirmed town' in a game that's supposedly not bastard, so I can only imagine the power Mafia have here.

Articulating things is hard at 6am.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:50 pm I'm going to be out of the house for a few hours, might be back at around 10 PM eastern at the latest.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:07 pm Town:
Cassandraaaaaaa
Anne
Illario/Leetic
SPF
IAAFR
Nanook

This is MOSTLY where I'm at currently.
This is my town list so far, if anyone has any questions on why they're there I'll probably pop on like 1 or 2 times between now and when I'm back home, so I'll be able to answer them the best that I can.

Yeah I'll bite - why am I on the list?

(I assume you just missed me by accident.)

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:01 pm god this was as stupid to get caught up on as i thought it would be

Just don't ever get caught up on D1 convos. That's my philosophy.

It actually is and now I feel bad for voting him

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:50 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:48 pm [VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine

Tell me no one else is thinking this in the back of their mind
I think we all are.
Even I was tempted to recheck my role, no joke

We just mindmelding again

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine

Tell me no one else is thinking this in the back of their mind

Is that a good vote

[VOTE: NAA] aubergine

Science

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:01 pm Regarding my leadership capacity (re: alexa): remember from the article (shameless plug) that one of the first core questions to ask about leadership in Mafia is whether or not the game actually calls for it or has a need for it in a given situation. Just joining a game and immediately going Leader Mode isn't necessarily a good thing.
why do you feel this game doesn't need leadership?

Philosophers are the OG anarchists

Don't mind me, just here dropping truth bombs.

You are all largely right but also somewhat wrong.

Gonna quote this post-game for the cred.

I'm a flame thrower.

K my bus ride is over byeeee

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:49 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:48 pm I was going to give a free town read to the first person to SR me but it was not really a proper read and also I don't want to give any town points to Marmot yet anyway.

This is inside your scumrange

Spoiler: show
Do I get a townread now?

But that's not really a proper read either.

I was going to give a free town read to the first person to SR me but it was not really a proper read and also I don't want to give any town points to Marmot yet anyway.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:06 pm nutella can join, Master Radishes has work to do

I'm already out of my wolf range simply by posting. You just have work to do to find me.

Jay, just always accidentally end up in high posting games when you have too much work and then you'll be forced to fly by the seat of your pants. Ez.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:09 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:50 am None of the conversations interest me so far.
Can you please write an article about how to play like this so I can adopt that method for the rest of eternity? Thanks in advance.

I would but that doesn't interest me either.

None of the conversations interest me so far.

Dear wolves,

Let’s make this clear so you don’t waste your time: I will not be one of your miselims this game.

You will soon think I could be, of course. Even with the postcap I will likely not be able to keep up with the tryhards on this roster, and I will inevitably be perceived as low-hanging fruit. ‘MR will be an easy chop’ you’ll think. ‘Probably a flash wagon candidate.’

But you will be mistaken. You simply won’t be able to mis-elim me. Not this time. I will pull out the WIM when I need to. I have tricks up my sleeves. In fact, save me the energy and just treat this post as an inno child claim. I am for all your intents and purposes untouchable. If you decide you want me out of this game, you will need to spend a kill on me.

It is not your fault you randed wolf, and I am nothing if not sympathetic to an unfortunate rand, so I give you this warning now to help you plan around it. Everyone deserves a fair shot.

In the words of Descartes, ‘I post therefore I am town’. Or, in the words of a more modern philosopher, ‘U Kant touch this’.

Good luck, wolves. Just don’t say I didn’t warn you.

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