The Syndicate

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:07 pm Now townies, don't yell at me, I did the best I could.

I literally claimed Radishes was confirmed town the day after there was no kill

How you didnt read that as Oh she is the doctor

is beyond me

but you did your best, I suppose.

Just actually listen to me next time.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:06 pm @Jackofhearts2005 lets say you are town and I end up thinking you are town. LLD and Radishes vote for you. You and I vote for LLD? There's a tie and it's a toss up. Do you see it going any differently? What do you see as the plan if I agree with you?

Stop making deals with the scum.

What you have done is not game throw Jack and any assertions you are by being scum here are plainly lies.

Juliets, please just vote Jack.

Okay here we go.

If we lynch scum
3 possible outcomes:
Scum was poisoned, town lynches 3p next day Town wins.
Commuter was poisoned, no one was poisoned, same thing.
Doctor was poisoned, 3p wins.
2/3

If we lynch 3p
Scum poisoned, town wins
Commuter poisoned, scum shoots doctor, town loses
Doctor poisoned, scum wins

1/3

If we no lynch
Scum poisoned, town lynches 3p nezt day Town wins
Doctor poisoned, scum shoots 3p scum wins
Commuter poisoned.... Is a scenario of its own

4p night lylo
If poisoned poisons scum, and scum shoots town, 3p wins.
If poisoner poisoned scum and scum shoots 3p town wins.
If poisoner poisons town, town always loses.

1/3 and 1/9 is 4/9

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:52 pm

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:49 pm

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:46 pm Lynch scum wins 2/3 times.
Lynch third party wins 1/3 times.
No lynch wins 4/9 times (1.33/3)

Lynching scum is mathematically correct

What are the odds if we lynch town?

If we lynch a townie, townies lose in all worlds. 0/3

I don’t believe you’re actually doing any math and also, you’re proposing that scenario so...

If Juliets is town and Radishes is 3p you are scum

So

I can show you the work on all worlds yeah?

But that is how most lylo works and no lynching takes control out of our hands.

I can explain more in-depth if needed buy it is strictly wrong

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:49 pm

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:46 pm Lynch scum wins 2/3 times.
Lynch third party wins 1/3 times.
No lynch wins 4/9 times (1.33/3)

Lynching scum is mathematically correct

What are the odds if we lynch town?

If we lynch a townie, townies lose in all worlds. 0/3

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:47 pm

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:45 pm Like I can break down the math for you on each one if you want but the math is obvious honestly

Ok no problem. My head is not comprehending the math as well as you guys.

Also, I broke down and decided I needed some wine.

Oh honey.

I am... Sorry.

I have been trying not to comment on your dad for fear of it being seen as a game thing to convince you

But seriously, if you need to replace out or ask for an extension or... Whatever

Just do it. It is more important you find time to grieve and rest than to win this game.

Okay?

Lynch scum wins 2/3 times.
Lynch third party wins 1/3 times.
No lynch wins 4/9 times (1.33/3)

Lynching scum is mathematically correct

Like I can break down the math for you on each one if you want but the math is obvious honestly

Juliets, we need to lynch scum.

Radishes if you do not lynch Jack I will lynch you instead. I will not no lynch today.

There, that ahould be 3 jack votes.

Juliets if you think I am town and you should just trust me on this.

Radishes if you want a chance at winning you also need to do this.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:10 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:06 pm What if we no lynch and see what happens?

Honestly, this is where I started the day.

What would make this a bad idea?

Mathematically wrong.

Do not do this.

Honestly I get you are fighting for your scum win and you think I am kingmaking against you

But I am doing the correct mechanical choice for town Jack. It is only coincidental that I get to enjoy watching you lose.

I showed mathematically it is better to lynch scum.

But you still want to lynch the third party.

I wonder why

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:33 pm I feel like I am going to make us lose this game because I'm having trouble honestly deciding between Jack and LLD. Each time one of them posts I think "yes, they are town". I can feel all the dead townies screaming at me "Cant you see it's [insert name]?" I wish I knew LLD's game better. The only thing I know about her, from the champs finale, is she was able to bend people to her will. She is a great player. I'm more familiar with Jack's game and he looks so town to me, but I remember nutella suspected him. He is also a great player.

A Radish vote feels like we would end up in a tie. LLD is not moving off Jack and Radishes will likely vote there I think.

Ugh.

Juliet

Both Jack and I are claiming the same thing that we <cannot talk about because raisins>

only difference is I have been doing it since about 3-4 Game days ago. I cannot tell you when but since YOU KNOW YOUR ROLE

and you thus knwo what role I would have to be

PUT TWO AND TWO together and then go look for what day that would be, and what I instantly say AFTER that.

It is a weird thing to say for a player who barely reads the game, I woujld thikn.


But even if you have to, ignore us both on mechanics. We are both gonna play it is a mystery with those mechanics

so just look at voting patterns

I voted myself, I pushed Nutella and I did not vote Iaafr

All of these as you mentioned are nigh impossible for the late game scum player to have done.

Consider that if I was scum I would have been on a team with Eva and Mac. This would have been motivation not demotivation for me to play.

And consider that if I was this out of it in a game with them on my scum team?

I would have jsut told them to bus me day 1, been super try hard for 1 day, died, and been happy to not have to play more.

right?

so the fact I am alive here as a lurker is testiment that I was always the final <mislynch> of this game.

I told you something way way back when I self voted myself.

Either lynch me then, or never lynch me.

All players chose not to lynch me for 2 days.

If you reasonably made that choice as town you cannot go back on it and fall right into the trap scum would ALWAYS aim for which is to point at how little I have done this game and try and fuck with me that way.

The reason I am here is because both evil parties wanted me here and the reason you are here is because they.... redacted. There is a reason you are here and it is mechanical and I cannot talk about it.


So you get me.


Just vote Jack. I promise you it is not wrong.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:44 am

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:37 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:11 am I’ll take things I would love to say but would result in a town loss for 100, 200 and 300, Alex.

Given Juliets role we both know what we are claiming to be,

so I do not know why you are trying to pretend she doesnt know either. She knows her own role as town so she knows what we are trying to claim.

She knows what I did with my role, and she knows when I did it too.

I know Juliets knows the remaining town role.

You don’t know which of us is which town role. If you did, the town would have already lost and nothing I do matters. You don’t and I’m not going to tell you.

I know exactly which town role I am and which one she is.

And you do too, because you are soft claiming mine.

So good luck with that.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:11 am I’ll take things I would love to say but would result in a town loss for 100, 200 and 300, Alex.

Given Juliets role we both know what we are claiming to be,

so I do not know why you are trying to pretend she doesnt know either. She knows her own role as town so she knows what we are trying to claim.

She knows what I did with my role, and she knows when I did it too.

[mention]juliets[/mention]

Vote Jack of Hearts

Juliet, I do not see myself changing course today. This is the correct move because if the poisoner killed scum we win even if we lynch scum.

and if the poisoner fails to kill due to points or targetting the commuter, then we win tomorrow anyway.

We never gain any win percentage by lynching the poisoner here. Our best move is lynching scum.

Join me.

She knows which role I am because I have been softing it for 3-4 game days.

It is incredibly obvious.

And as a result she knows what role you are for pretending to be my role.

It is optimal to kill you today.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:17 pm What if our 3P is out of points? I guess that is a long shot, surely he would have saved some for the end.

We should lynch the scum Jack today.

It is optimal for us.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:15 pm

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:13 pm Not that I disagree with you on Juliets being town but how is she confirmed town here?

Cannot believe I am asking literal actual scum player this question but

Not fucking telling for raisins.

Okay so you are confirming yourself scum to me, and then confirming Juliets town via that angle.

Thank you.

Juliets, Jack is attempting a mirror of my play that I started doing about 3 game days ago. I think you understand what I am saying.

I think we have this game solved, and we are in a weird spot that...

if the poisoner targetted the commuter, we should lynch the scum.

If the poisoner targetted the scum, we profit more by lyncching poisoner, but if we lynch scum we still have a chance at it tomorrow in 3p.

and if the poisoner targetted the doctor. we lose no matter what.

Which means actually, our best play is lynching the SCUM.

We win in 2/3 possible worlds in that outcome.

Come lynch Jack with me.

Not that I disagree with you on Juliets being town but how is she confirmed town here?

Cannot believe I am asking literal actual scum player this question but

Can we petition the mod for roleclaiming rn lol

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:28 pm

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:21 pm But we are likely kingmaker unless the Third-party jilled the scum.

Because even if we lynch scum if they 3p poisoned town we lose.

So we have two opitions.

Option 1) lynch for the third party and hope 3p hit scum for a win
2)no lynch and see what happens. If the 3p kills town then the scum has to no kill or risk losing to the poison.

I think 1 is far superior we just lose in mpst non scum poisoned cases

So

Thanks LLD. I need to think this through.

I am p. certain

the outcome is this

Jack wolf
Radishes 3p
You and I town.

And I think that means I know your role and you know my role.

Go look at my postings and see if you can solve for this, Juliets.

There is a doctor a commuter a wolf and a poisoner 3p left.

Last chance to get it right before you more or less confirm this is an angle you are pushing.

Given we need to lunch the third party...

Let us examine the third party kills and try and isolate who benefits from them.

But we are likely kingmaker unless the Third-party jilled the scum.

Because even if we lynch scum if they 3p poisoned town we lose.

So we have two opitions.

Option 1) lynch for the third party and hope 3p hit scum for a win
2)no lynch and see what happens. If the 3p kills town then the scum has to no kill or risk losing to the poison.

I think 1 is far superior we just lose in mpst non scum poisoned cases

So

I am not scum. Consider that I have called Radishes town for this long. I will give you another hard opinion.

Radishes can be third party but not scum IMO.

Cannot say more.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:39 am

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:12 am Colin Scum Pawn 3p

I think.

Pawn as 3P, that's interesting. Anything specific that leads you to this conclusion?

Half stance on Eva makes some sense with it. Lurking makes sense with it. It fits and they lack team connectives to really be mafia honestly?

But colin wanting to lynch Radishes is so bad that it eclipses any wrongness Jack may have about me or 112.

Jack has an outside chance for being wrong this late in the game.

Never lynch Radishes.

Colin Scum Pawn 3p

I think.

I concede pawn might have somr lurk town equity.

I don't care.

He needs to die on percentage right now before odds lower and he is in lylo.

Okay I will explain this one last time

Person most likely to kill Eva there is Pawn

Person most likely to take a strong stancr of Eva's alignment there is Pawn. But he didn't

Pawn does not fit town Pawn in this game

So Pawn needs to die

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:20 pm

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:01 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:18 am LLD, if you're here to play now, maybe ISO Mac for interactions with Eva or other wolves?

Also I can't read Jack because I've changed opinion about five times so far, so anyone else is allowed to do that for me.

I am not ISOing anyone lol that sounds like a lot of work.

Pawn needs to die so.

Just like nutella did.

okay sure

I can go back to lurking if you prefer.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:18 am LLD, if you're here to play now, maybe ISO Mac for interactions with Eva or other wolves?

Also I can't read Jack because I've changed opinion about five times so far, so anyone else is allowed to do that for me.

I am not ISOing anyone lol that sounds like a lot of work.

Pawn needs to die so.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:51 am

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:46 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:43 am Oh, is LLD playing now?

Player list is lower, my friend.

So you and me lets chat about what to do

you are so fucking town lol

Pawn and Eva called each other town and Pawn never wavered on that. Eva flipped scum. Pawn has gone AWOL since.

Thoughts from someone who knows them best?

It doesn't mean any guarantees but I was voting them yesterday and told you that the reason for this was that. Pawn can't be let to live after that, so it is a required lynch, really.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:43 am Oh, is LLD playing now?

Player list is lower, my friend.

So you and me lets chat about what to do

you are so fucking town lol

You didn't choose to lynch me on the two days I gave you to do it.

Further, you watched yesterday I was the 3 vote counter wagon to the scum lynch.

Anyone who thinks I am anything other than the clear and obvious scum attempt to avoid the Chemist lynch is... wrong. Dead wrong. And possibly intentionally so.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:14 pm Wait, @Lady LambdaDelta, why Pawn?

Said this earlier, he is close with Eva and didnt take a hard enough stance one way or another. Needs to die before lylo.

Not today.... maybe not even tomorrow.

Just.... Pawn needs to be marked for death and not let to slide.

Pawn on the other hand needs to die for not being on Eva. Its not that I think Pawn is perfect on Eva, its more that their percent chance on Eva is significantly higher than others and so they probably have decent equity here, especially since I can't remember them taking a strong stance on Eva either way

[VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta] aubergine

I'll leave my vote here for the next two cycles.

If I'm still alive after this round of votes and shoots Ill come back tomorrow and maybe Ill say something.

but you shouldnt lynch or spare me based on that or any promise of content

As for reads dont know don't care. I was wrong on Nutella, Im willing to die for it. I was thinking of 180ing today to try and read from that but honestly I canna be arsed so

Feel free to lynch me today fi you need to.

but if you dont lynch me today, dont lynch me later. I don't really wanna be used by scum as a mislynch to win later so

I dont even know whether a 2 day clock is available given the numbers but I have to assume it is.

Lynch me today or tomorrow if you are ever going to. Otherwise, don't.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:19 pm @Lady LambdaDelta
@juliets

What are both your opinions of Epi at this time?

Probably scum tbh