The Syndicate

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:12 pm Dusk, has your read on Esooa's slot changed si ce the events involving Gavial?

Nothing has happened to make me want to change, I think esooas reaction to me is one I see frequently among new communities where it's like "I don't really care what the new guy thinks" because he feels like my read is less relevant when others call him towny, which is fair assessment my read probably matters less. But in my experience ive found people treat me more like that when they are mafia than when they are town.

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:11 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:05 pm Seth/glav is like one of those players who is eternal lhf, he plays the game like what he says will always be correct and why his reads don't exist doesn't matter to him.

If he decides to flip his read he will believe that is true, because he convinces himself everything he says is accurate because he said it. He doesn't work off his reads being good because he has good logic or reasoning etc. He believes his reads are good because he is good, which means that his reasoning will always crumble and he will fail to make any sort of sense as town, you can't follow his logic like most players who are trying to find what is correct because he skips the whole finding part and goes straight to "I'm correct".
I think the slot was just super obvious town.

It was but my point still stands about glav saying he will flip any person's read is not scum indicative for him

Seth/glav is like one of those players who is eternal lhf, he plays the game like what he says will always be correct and why his reads don't exist doesn't matter to him.

If he decides to flip his read he will believe that is true, because he convinces himself everything he says is accurate because he said it. He doesn't work off his reads being good because he has good logic or reasoning etc. He believes his reads are good because he is good, which means that his reasoning will always crumble and he will fail to make any sort of sense as town, you can't follow his logic like most players who are trying to find what is correct because he skips the whole finding part and goes straight to "I'm correct".

We will have MORE INFO tomorrow therefore we can make a better and MORE INFORMED decision on who to vote after killing the 3p

Can we get that guy in this game please

Asking for a friend

Herm wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:59 pm List of TOWN and not TOWN

Ydrasse - - - feels like Town
Falcon - - - claimed Villager

Ender - - - possibly Town
Timsup4nothin - - - possibly Town
Wiml - - - possibly Town

KZA - - - 50% change of Town
Duskfall - - - cloudy with occassional Town

Wurzeloni - - - NO READ
Creature - - - NO READ
Orangecrush - - - NO READ
NANOOK - - - NO READ

Alison - - - Very hard to read
Long Con - - - Also hard to read but feels slightly more Town atm
Sig - - - No clue

Lost Monkey - - - Super Lurker

Hollowkatt - - - 3P Survivor

50 percent chance of town should be below no read statistically btw, since standard no read in a game of mafia is like 75 percent town usually

Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:37 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:16 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:15 pm My role is a one shot day cop I targeted hk and it said he was town, I asked and was told I'd be informed if he was 3p so
Let's flip Nanook to confirm?
I'm also a death miller
See Syn post 1: This game is not bastard. There are no elements that lie to the players. There is no godfather, miller, insanifying, or alignment shifting.

I cant tell if he's serious or not

Why is 3p one of our best solvers

Justice for hk

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:15 pm My role is a one shot day cop I targeted hk and it said he was town, I asked and was told I'd be informed if he was 3p so

Let's flip Nanook to confirm?

12/4/1 is easily balanced by power roles btw

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:04 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:59 pm Rolling survivor is such a tough break if true, Im guessing there's more to it though
there's literally not lol, that's the funny part.

If true i feel bad for you lmao, regardless correct play is you must die sorry fren

Oh and he's gone nvm I'll hard carry trust me guys

Having to deal with Seth this entire game is gonna kill my wim likely I'm already dreading the remainder of this game

Rolling survivor is such a tough break if true, Im guessing there's more to it though

Yeah we kill the survivor claim now sad

I'm back to work didn't get fully caught up

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:58 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:52 am
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:46 am Okay duskfall is mafia

Ender is town for secret reasons

[VOTE: duskfall] aubergine
Enlighten me about the Duskfall read
I read a lot of words from him without thinking he's really trying to figure this out

His wolf read on esooa is lame

My gut said so

You just started shading esooa this feels a bit disingenuous

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:27 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:26 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:24 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:23 am gavial I am putting you on ignore
Did you even look at my HK case?
OMG your the most likely player to die tonight due to the massive amount of town reads your getting and you can’t even actually try and vote off scum.
OML.
Pretty wolfy attitude IMO
Oh FUCK THIS SHIT.
I hard claim PR and we will see if your VT claim is real or not tonight.
Kill me bro I double doggy dare yeah!

How does hardclaiming "pr" mean anything in a closed setup bro

Ok glav probably town if he's Seth good to know

Oops double post sorry

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:27 am
Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:06 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:58 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:16 am duskfall is probably town for being stubborn about pushing his reads and interrogating those who believe otherwise
I have a feel that I disagree with this but don't have anything solid against Duskfall.

Is it just because he aggressively defended his question on Esooa when I attacked it?
I actually found your attack on it weird, not scummy just a weird form of attack that was kind of unwarranted still
I still find your question useless and trap-worthy. Please provide a 5-page thesis on why "Is it possible" is at all relevant and how it provides town info to ask.

It wasn't a literal is it possible, it was a do you think this situation is likely, I believe the context of me asking for someone's opinion on it makes it clear I wasn't actually asking is this literally possible in any world

Unless I'm the biggest idiot in the world (possibly) I obviously knew this was possible, therefore you must apply context to what I actually mean in this instance. As far as I can tell the only person who actually didn't understand what I meant was you, consideirng esooa or no one else so far has even agreed with you or mentioned something similar to what you are saying now. Esooa went down the cool not bothered to interact route.

The problem here isn't my question, it's that you appear to take everything absolutely literally which is ok but displays a general lack of comprehension in my opinion. Not trying to be toxic about it but you're digging deeper so it forces me to point it out atp. When speaking human communication often has incidences where what someone says literal and the clear intention are different, it is up to the reciever to grasp what is intended relevant to the context and respond. Clearly you could not do this here and to be honest that a big load of not my problem. Unless you vote me. That would be my problem. Dont vote me please.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:27 am
Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:06 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:58 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:16 am duskfall is probably town for being stubborn about pushing his reads and interrogating those who believe otherwise
I have a feel that I disagree with this but don't have anything solid against Duskfall.

Is it just because he aggressively defended his question on Esooa when I attacked it?
I actually found your attack on it weird, not scummy just a weird form of attack that was kind of unwarranted still
I still find your question useless and trap-worthy. Please provide a 5-page thesis on why "Is it possible" is at all relevant and how it provides town info to ask.

It wasn't a literal is it possible, it was a do you think this situation is likely, I believe the context of me asking for someone's opinion on it makes it clear I wasn't actually asking is this literally possible in any world

Unless I'm the biggest idiot in the world (possibly) I obviously knew this was possible, therefore you must apply context to what I actually mean in this instance. As far as I can tell the only person who actually didn't understand what I meant was you, consideirng esooa or no one else so far has even agreed with you or mentioned something similar to what you are saying now. Esooa went down the cool not bothered to interact route.

The problem here isn't my question, it's that you appear to take everything absolutely literally which is ok but displays a general lack of comprehension in my opinion. Not trying to be toxic about it but you're digging deeper so it forces me to point it out atp. When speaking human communication often has incidences where what someone says literal and the clear intention are different, it is up to the reciever to grasp what is intended relevant to the context and respond. Clearly you could not do this here and to be honest that a big load of not my problem. Unless you vote me. That would be my problem. Dont vote me please.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:23 am
Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:23 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:19 am
Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:16 am I will use this space to say esooas posting is very very bad and their scum equity is rising

Thank you for listening
but how mad are you
I can assure you I won't be the mad one at end game
so you admit to being mad

Are we playing a good natured game of mafia or starting a cat fight I'm confused get on with the game friend no need to make it personal

My unrelenting power over the force will bring you down with lord

Or something

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:19 am
Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:16 am I will use this space to say esooas posting is very very bad and their scum equity is rising

Thank you for listening
but how mad are you

I can assure you I won't be the mad one at end game

I will use this space to say esooas posting is very very bad and their scum equity is rising

Thank you for listening

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:58 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:16 am duskfall is probably town for being stubborn about pushing his reads and interrogating those who believe otherwise
I have a feel that I disagree with this but don't have anything solid against Duskfall.

Is it just because he aggressively defended his question on Esooa when I attacked it?

I actually found your attack on it weird, not scummy just a weird form of attack that was kind of unwarranted still

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:17 am I literally skimmed 70% of HK's posts cause he was getting mad and I didn't care and I completely skipped over Gav's case on him cause I didn't care about that either so I'm not gonna say much about them no matter how many times you ask. That's how mafia works

At least ive learned you're the type of person that is negative utility talking to at the very least

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:04 am
Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:01 am
I was clearly looking for more lmao, town shouldn't give the absolute minimum because they are trying to be constructive and develop the conversation/content not shut it down with as minimal answer as they can get away with no?
Yes and no. Yes town should provide information. No town shouldn't entertain every dumb question that enters their field of vision.

You asked a leading question which leads nowhere except an accusation. Just start at which one they think more likely. Asking "Is it possible" is a dumb trap question.

It really isn't lmao and even if was, highlighting it's a trap is better than nothing and would've been townier than avoiding any type of conversation or conflict outside their own terms

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:00 am
Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:58 am Which I don't mind if you're saying "ok possible but very unlikely"

What I'm not likely is how much I've to dig out of you? If you're town you're being difficult to work with and give out info, why? Can you not just give an actual answer people can work with rather than oh yes this is technically possible etc. Being literal is fine but it's very unhelpful and I'm getting that you don't want to contribute that much or upset the flow. Despite being in thread you're not doing a whole lot.
because I'm playing hereos of the storm rn

So you have enough time to read everything posted as soon as it's posted, reply instantly, vote, give opinions that suit you

But it stops for one or two little posts that might be slightly more difficult to answer and have you think on your feet?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:58 am
Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:56 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:40 amyes
You also said the opposite is possible?
You asked "Is it possible."

The answer should always be yes unless they have a locktown read.

And I'd be suspicious if they have a locktown read.

You're either being disingenuous or dumb.

I was clearly looking for more lmao, town shouldn't give the absolute minimum because they are trying to be constructive and develop the conversation/content not shut it down with as minimal answer as they can get away with no?

Which I don't mind if you're saying "ok possible but very unlikely"

What I'm not likely is how much I've to dig out of you? If you're town you're being difficult to work with and give out info, why? Can you not just give an actual answer people can work with rather than oh yes this is technically possible etc. Being literal is fine but it's very unhelpful and I'm getting that you don't want to contribute that much or upset the flow. Despite being in thread you're not doing a whole lot.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:40 amyes

You also said the opposite is possible?

Voting esooa rn btw

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:51 am
Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:46 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:40 amyes
I can't remember much of what you said from read through, which do you think is more likely and why?
gav town

Can I get a bit more, you're being very non committal here and it's pinging me a lot

If Gav is town that's fine but to say oh well Gav is town going after scum BUT it could also be the opposite is like ?? Unless you have VERY good reasoning that I can't forsee. You're just clearing not committing to a read and laying out how your townreads can be scum?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:40 amyes

I can't remember much of what you said from read through, which do you think is more likely and why?

@esooa do you think there's a chance HK is town and glavial is mafia here?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:35 am oh I thought you asked "is ob5 from 451" and that's his discord name so if it was I was gonna call you and him outed

Sorry fren

Oh wait I'm illiterate you mean to a town

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:33 am
Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:31 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:25 am
Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:22 am Ok my D1 townies:
Alison
Ender
Hollokat
----
Glavial
Herm
What made you change your mind on Gavial after p#505?
I first though it was bad on my first post because the jump in logic to HK scum was like wild

Then when they said it again later I started to believe "oh maybe they actually think that post means something" even though the post doesn't meaning anything obviously. That's important because if they believe the post means something it becomes nai and they become lhf regardless of alignment

Then their really long tunnel effort feels like an overcommitment from what I now am viewing, from my less than 24 hours impression of glavial I think they could see themselves as correct as town and get blinker vision, however I don't really think I see them as someone who will over commit confidently on pushing town as scum THAT hard (or bussing either for that matter). So this push regardless of what HK flips, feels like something I would believe is outside glavials scum range is. Of course I'm making assumptions on their scum range based on what else I've seen.
They've bussed harder than this as mafia and probably (with some effort) could do the same to a town.

Bus as town? You mean tunnel? What games are you referring to?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:34 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:28 am
Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:24 am I am reasonably confident that the whole group of actives players are overwhelmingly town and scum lie in the less active, would rather core a lurker than the people filling up the thread here today 1000 percent

Is this orangeandblack5 from 451 anyone know ?
who tf is orangeandblack5
@Duskfall

A guy I played with recently on 451 idk what else to say lmao I'm asking about orangecrush

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:33 am
Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:08 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:41 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:40 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:29 pm Hey look at me, getting involved in conversations that started before I woke up.

If I can do it, you can.

Give me a read. I don't care if it's as weak as a nerd on first gym day.
I think this post expresses genuine annoyance at Creature's behavior, which is townie.
Not to ruin people townreading me, but I genuinely wasn't annoyed there. Just poking their response back at them.
I double down on town read (unlike Alison apparently oopsie its my read now)
That's a nice pocket you got there sir, can you tell me if it comes with free wifi?

No but it comes as a free win

Idk if it counts as meta I've never played with them before, it's more just judging how certain players act and reading the person no?

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:25 am
Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:22 am Ok my D1 townies:
Alison
Ender
Hollokat
----
Glavial
Herm
What made you change your mind on Gavial after p#505?

I first though it was bad on my first post because the jump in logic to HK scum was like wild

Then when they said it again later I started to believe "oh maybe they actually think that post means something" even though the post doesn't meaning anything obviously. That's important because if they believe the post means something it becomes nai and they become lhf regardless of alignment

Then their really long tunnel effort feels like an overcommitment from what I now am viewing, from my less than 24 hours impression of glavial I think they could see themselves as correct as town and get blinker vision, however I don't really think I see them as someone who will over commit confidently on pushing town as scum THAT hard (or bussing either for that matter). So this push regardless of what HK flips, feels like something I would believe is outside glavials scum range is. Of course I'm making assumptions on their scum range based on what else I've seen.

I am reasonably confident that the whole group of actives players are overwhelmingly town and scum lie in the less active, would rather core a lurker than the people filling up the thread here today 1000 percent

Is this orangeandblack5 from 451 anyone know ?

Ok my D1 townies:
Alison
Ender
Hollokat
----
Glavial
Herm

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:54 am Ok so let’s get to it.
The Hollowcat case. Right!

Hollowcat Case

Hollowcat has a bunch of bad reactions.
Such as Overreactions and “Your the Bad one Not Me!” type reactions with some “Unnatural”and “Not Genuine” Vibes in there
Which is Rand Wolf for them.

In Post#41 Hollowcat calls Esooa town. Now while I also read them the same, it wasn’t till later it stood out. This isn’t anything to do with the “wolfy part” but it’s more of the standby of “is this a genuine read or scum faking?”

In Post#76 Hollowcat instead of simply saying “I would have expected a different answer” which would have led to another conversation
they shut down their vote. Even though it wasn’t a strong reason anyway. But it was too the extent of trying to make them look bad. Like IDK about you but “the answer is poorly” doesn’t look that nice and towny to me and looks like exactly what I said it looks like.

In Post#79 after Esooa questioned their read they resorted to the default “Ha your funny” and if that was a meme read I honestly don’t understand what the point of it was.

Post#89 while again I agree with their read, again not for the same reason. I don’t see any of the genuine vibe here at all.

In Post#97 the first to sus HK was Alison whom calls them out on their lack of villager which I agree with. So HK calls their read weak and votes them. Lol OMGUS much? Not to mention an overreaction.

In Post#109 they are clearly discrediting Alison throwing the tennis ball like they just don’t care. Trying to make it seem like it’s pointless and they would only do this if they had motivational reason.

In Post#115 felt Unnatural like it was said oddly and done IMO like theatre but yeah I suppose it could be WvT. But I still don’t like it

Post#128 is yet again another unnatural post.
It shouldn’t have been said there considering their vote on Esooa not to mention as I said previously that out of nowhere TR Esooa and then calling it off as a meme read doesn’t sit right at all. Oh and yes “skeevy old man” means meme read try me Hollowcat, you ain’t gonna surpass.

Post#156 is an overreaction for me calling them and Falcon W/W aka scum buddies

Post#157 they purposely avoid the question like I said they would

I’ve already went over how bad Post#159 is just go read my ISO.

Post#162 they finally respond to the post that was seen from 157 and responds with “IDC”.

Post#163 Not only bad but first time you see them bringing up something “meta wise” previous game because from their stand point if they are scum which I truly think they are they don’t understand my case on them so they were presuming it had something to do with a grudge but it does not. Why would they even bring this up? I clearly said they did a good job in that game and ain’t the kind of guy to push hard for something that isn’t game relevant. See I’m a vibe man and by vibes this post is hella wolfy from HK.

As for Post#170 again went over it, check my ISO.

Post #174 is a major overreaction. Not only did they try and call out Long Con on their vote (which I’ve rarely meta wise seen HK care this much if a vote is placed on them or not)
anyway, HK then doesn’t like that I stated what I think should have been said (how LC has made a great vote) and then OMGUS votes me practically calling me a LHF and asking to PL.
Which is ????

Damn going with another one in Post#183 with another slap of the wrist town read that in HK’s world is fuckin god knows real or a meme. Like LOL.

Post #189 HK’s right! It’s not a burst of anger because he can’t get angry here because he ain’t being genuine and I’ve already given them exactly what it IS. (Overreaction, First time bring up meta, reverts to make me look bad with the LHF should I continue?) then the response of “I can link you some burst of anger if you’d like?” seems hella out of place like it just feels like a wolfy responses/defend there. Hopefully you guys can feel this vibe as well.

Post#194 came to the point I didn’t give a fuck to read that big part at the beginning of that post but what I did read is this: “My real read is that he's not town. I'm voting for him because he's behaving differently from my expectations of him, and would like to see him start making actually game relevant posts.”
Your expectations of me are???
I’ve been making plenty of game relevant posts thank you very much.

Oh FUCKIN DOOR BELL!
Check out Post#197 “Your case will be approximately as useful as an icebox to an Eskimo” bitch no. If you were town you would obviously admit here your trying to PL me for thinking I’m actually a LHF when I’m not. But instead it’s for some other dumb shit that is clearly false based on what you have given this fuckin game state.

#Post202 is a fuckin scum claim and open wolf lynch this bro now! This door shoe says “There's no policy to my vote on him.” Ok LMAO. Clearly you don’t even understand your own damn posts.

I’m not even going to care to go further.
Feel if I do I’m going to just irritate myself more but yeah that’s the case on Hollowcat so if you don’t want to vote an ObvWolf your kinda floor Matt.

Time to mass ping everyone except the voters and Nanook because he hates me pinging him.

@orangecrush
@Dolby
@Esooa
@Wiml
@EnderWiggin
@lost monkey
@Duskfall
@Creature
@Herm
@falcon45ca

Ok good chance glavial is incorrect townie I think

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:41 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:40 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:29 pm Hey look at me, getting involved in conversations that started before I woke up.

If I can do it, you can.

Give me a read. I don't care if it's as weak as a nerd on first gym day.
I think this post expresses genuine annoyance at Creature's behavior, which is townie.
Not to ruin people townreading me, but I genuinely wasn't annoyed there. Just poking their response back at them.

I double down on town read (unlike Alison apparently oopsie its my read now)

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:40 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:29 pm Hey look at me, getting involved in conversations that started before I woke up.

If I can do it, you can.

Give me a read. I don't care if it's as weak as a nerd on first gym day.
I think this post expresses genuine annoyance at Creature's behavior, which is townie.

I agree and am stealing

Page 5 Alison is becoming more towny

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