The Syndicate

And so, here we are...alas good Jack, we barely knew ye...

For TSP

or maybe LM is a hit, which would help a lot here

My legacy is one and only one in Vulgard/Radish...timfoil one in Scotty/Jack...Gavial is the 3P...and the final wolf is ...

Spoiler: show

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:49 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:47 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:46 pm @Scotty @Timsup2nothin @Kylemii

could 1 players have similar roles in a game set up like this?
Similar shrines? Yes. I’m fairly certain besides chaos shrine there have been overlap with exact shrine abilities. I even have some overlap with some of the dead.

But probably not more than like 2, maybe 3 shrines
oh okay. I'm dumb then. nvm I won't cc

In before "Daisy softing she shot Mac, kill Tim immediately!!!"

It is likely that some shrines are only visited by a small number of people, but I would guess most have overlap.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:37 pm If I die tonight, which I firmly believe will finally happen, I’m back to thinking Tim could be town.

Tinfoil scum if lomo is bad: Vulgard or MR/gavial/LC

Tim could still be bad if he came out with this ability trying to get indie to claim. Indie will not cc regardless because they’d be shot. Not currently leaning in this direction, but it is still a possibility in my mind

Uhhh it’s been a pleasure playing with y’all

Okay, no.

I am pretty sure that I have catapulted to the top of the NK list because I won't get chopped without a CC and there ain't gonna be one. So @Gavial do not confirm so there is room for WIFOM, but I am a prime candidate to be watched tonight if you wanna see a wolf. Scotty is a maybe.

Because of that, and because it is the third night after the last great Bhotheia shrine blockfest, anyone that can watch a shrine should watch that one. No matter who they kill unless it is a massive dodge the wolves have to block Gavial, so a list of who went to that shrine will likely have a wolf on it.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:23 pm I’m back. Wow this wagon took off.

But what could it mean?

That we are screwed?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:18 pm How many of those night actions do you think are real?

Wellll...you did go to the chaos shrine...

I believe the visit to Enrique but the nose boop is unlikely

The shot Mac claim is totally ridiculous even if I hadn't done it myself

The fourth is probably believable, though frustrating

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:13 pm Night 1 - Chaos
Night 2 - Bopped Enrique’s nose
Night 3 - Shot Mac
Night 4 - Played too much Persona and missed the deadline.

You are just a really awful liar so I understand why you subscribe to chopping liars. Jealousy.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:07 pm N1 - Quin visited chaos, got cursed
N2 - Quin didn't submit
N3 - no one but me visited Jack
N4 - I learned Boethiah can give out roleblocks

3-Night cycle so I can forget to submit again.

there...may be something useful here...a lot of people visited the Boethiah shrine on N2, so there would have been a number of block actions in play N2...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:35 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:32 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:18 pm Jack...on N2, he targeted Enrique.
Fwiw, this is true.
What did you target with again?
Didn’t say.

Would saying at this time be particularly hazardous, because maybe it prompts...something...so I think maybe you should.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:32 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:18 pm Jack...on N2, he targeted Enrique.
Fwiw, this is true.

What did you target with again?

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:31 pm Like Vulgard and Radish are openly obvious scum.
Not sure why others can’t see this FFS!

I think one is a wolf intentionally hiding by mirroring the other at the EoD where we got Falcon. I can't buy two wolves tracking together like that. So one wolf, one town.

And OMGUS aside, I am about 60/40 that the wolf in the pair is Radish.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:15 pm [VOTE: Tim] aubergine

Vanity wagon let's goooo

[VOTE: Radishes] aubergine

I think I have a good case, but also the opportunity to just indulge in straight up OMGUS without any significant consequences is pretty rare.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:31 pm That first line says "letting my team down", but it looks like you're admitting it's a lost cause.

Is it just an extremely quiet, low-posting mafia team that caused the lack of interest?

If it was just Mac single handedly carrying a team of slankers my shot becomes legendary so I will hope this is accurate.

Hull credit, full credit, bull credit...I take all the fucking credit.

Once again, if this is a miss I blame Jack, if it is a hit I take hull credit for the pelt.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:21 pm Yeah, Monkey fits into basically every scum world.

I am satisfied with what I said earlier...if the team does NOT include Monkey we are gonna lose, and probably already did...because whoever that team is eventually they will get us to make exactly this chop.

I do not think there is a maj hammer in effect.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:15 pm Like you guys are literally looking at the size of the post and assigning it more weight than it merits.

I notice that you didn't make this argument back when people were saying "Radishes really hammered Falcon there, must be town."

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:10 pm Is Lost Monkey a wolf?

Spoiler: show
Actually, yes.

This seems valid.

[VOTE: Lost Monkey] aubergine

I reserve the right to accuse Jack of wolfing should this end badly.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:01 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:42 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:34 pm It seems like a quiet time, and I've only got an hour or so (I won't be around at deadline).

I'll keep looking at falcon interactions and also MR. What's the case on him right now?
Radishes made a quote wall case on Falcon. That's a HUGE investment from the "IDGAF" standard Radishes has set for himself...so we ask "why make that huge investment and never even vote it?"

My suggested answer is that it was just laid down to be read for town cred if Falcon did actually flip.
LOL! I can't stop laughing that the case on MR is that he made a case. I don't think I've ever seen MR make a case like that before.

It seems like he wasn't around at EOD. I don't remember the exact vote wagon changes, but I think there was some shuffling, and it's possible that his vote was on you when you and falcon were his top two scumreads, and you had a larger wagon.

That said, I don't understand why he voted for you. He made a case on falcon, and his read on you was "tim doesn't seem gleeful this game, and v!tim is usually happy". The falcon read to me looks more substantiated.

That's the point. In what world does v!Radishes go to the great lengths of making a case? This is like "sign of the apocalypse world." And then v!Radishes, in sign of the apocalypse world, says "but I'll just vote Tim and go." Just, no.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:42 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:33 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:31 pm We need to solve LoMo at some point with his activity. If we don't yeet him, someone vig him plz.
If a bunch of people gather at one shrine and tell me where then I can maybe buy another shot, otherwise I think the vig shrine visitor on N7 is all we are gonna get.

Night 7 is probably too far away with three scum and a 3P left. If you get a vig tonight, you can't use it until Night 6 right?

I have the basic instruction "put in a target and if you get the shot you shoot." So if enough people gather in one place with me I can shoot. But I am starting from zero because last night was a complete bust. At a guess I need at least five, maybe six, customers...and I am wary of gathering that many people in a pre-arranged place because I think that might trigger who knows what kind of power strike from the 3P, or the wolves even.

I'm sorry I haven't guessed better. If I had understood how ridiculously fascinated everyone was gonna be with the chaos shrine I'd have shot two people already I think.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:34 pm It seems like a quiet time, and I've only got an hour or so (I won't be around at deadline).

I'll keep looking at falcon interactions and also MR. What's the case on him right now?

Radishes made a quote wall case on Falcon. That's a HUGE investment from the "IDGAF" standard Radishes has set for himself...so we ask "why make that huge investment and never even vote it?"

My suggested answer is that it was just laid down to be read for town cred if Falcon did actually flip.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:31 pm We need to solve LoMo at some point with his activity. If we don't yeet him, someone vig him plz.

If a bunch of people gather at one shrine and tell me where then I can maybe buy another shot, otherwise I think the vig shrine visitor on N7 is all we are gonna get.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:33 pm I kinda wanna punt and vote Lost Monkey.

3 player wolfteams without Monkey totally exist tho.

They do potentially exist...but if one actually does exist I think we are already dead and just don't know it yet. I may follow this punt.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:03 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:57 pm Scotty says Jack says “Vote for falcon...if your top scum read...will?” wrt me wanting Tim to vote Falcon instead of Marmot. “This makes absolutely no sense”

That’s me trying to consolidate votes. I was voting for Tim. Tim was voting for Marmot. I think Falcon and Tim are wolves and Marmot is town.

Town Tim (in theory) will be willing to switch from town Marmot to wolf Falcon. Wolf Tim (in theory) will be willing to do the same so as to look townie, especially if he’s worried Falcon will flip anyway without his vote, making him look super scummy.

So in theory, making this proposition protects a townread (Marmot) and a wolfread (Tim) to ensure the death of a wolfread (Falcon).

It’s not a nonsensical stall. It’s me trying to save a townie and yeet a wolf which, in the end, I did.
What if Marmot was a wolf all along tho?
Well then I’m an even bigger idiot and Marmot did exactly what I was trying to make you do.

But I don’t think so. Mac’s treatment of Marmot is suicide for no good reason if they’re partnered.

how would you describe "Mac's treatment of Marmot"?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:57 pm Scotty says Jack says “Vote for falcon...if your top scum read...will?” wrt me wanting Tim to vote Falcon instead of Marmot. “This makes absolutely no sense”

That’s me trying to consolidate votes. I was voting for Tim. Tim was voting for Marmot. I think Falcon and Tim are wolves and Marmot is town.

Town Tim (in theory) will be willing to switch from town Marmot to wolf Falcon. Wolf Tim (in theory) will be willing to do the same so as to look townie, especially if he’s worried Falcon will flip anyway without his vote, making him look super scummy.

So in theory, making this proposition protects a townread (Marmot) and a wolfread (Tim) to ensure the death of a wolfread (Falcon).

It’s not a nonsensical stall. It’s me trying to save a townie and yeet a wolf which, in the end, I did.

What if Marmot was a wolf all along tho?

NGL, I want Radish to be the wolf so I can just sheep Vulgard...

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:43 pm Oh, by the way. There's a mechanical problem.
If I survive today, I don't know what to do. My options are all negative utility in this gamestate like the jailkeep on Gavial.

What are they? Maybe we can brainstorm a creative way to use one beneficially.

I am starting to look for benefits in leaving you and Radish to twist in the wind. I'm getting more and more locked in on one, and only one, of you being a wolf. That leaves two other wolves out in the wild. Rather than take the 50/50/90 between you and Radish, there may be merit in trying to bang out some other wolf that could resolve the issue between the two of you for us.

Now I want to clarify something that I think we as town are largely looking at wrong. The "wolf PR" line of thinking. Falcon should not be treated as a wolf PR. He held the Razor. That was his main thing. He had some other power (I haven't checked back to see what it is) but I am sure the bulk of his power was the Razor and the wolves didn't lose that. So if the wagons came down to Falcon v another wolf (Marmot?) and that wolf was a serious power that would be lost then, yeah, Falcon can just die, bet hellbussed for cred, take his low posting low effort wolf carcass and go.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:21 am At this point, based on what Vulgard posted, he’s got no read on MR and it is purely a self pres. they could still be aligned

If Radishes flips red I will defend Vulgard and probably just follow his reads. I don't think that TWO wolves case Falcon and wind up voting me...that's a wolf and a town that the wolf wants to look like.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:32 am like that's stuff that I'd say as town in this position and not as a wolf but then i took an arrow to the knee

There is nothing I would not say as a wolf that I would ever say as town...that's why I shoot the arrows rather than taking them.

What's your take on Radishes?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:26 am Should I selfvote? I'm getting the impression you're never going to believe me. I've tried to explain my actions for half this day phase and it feels like a waste of time. This isn't AtE, genuine question. Do you think it's +EV for me to do this here as a villager?

No. You should not self vote if you are town. You should focus on the one potentially achievable potential wolf flip that reflects well on you if it happens and do your best to make it happen.

I submit that that would be Radishes. Could he be a wolf? I certainly believe that he could. If he flipped wolf would that reflect well on you? It does with me since I am already tilted heavily towards there being a wolf and probably only one wolf between you. So a Radish wolf flip gets you at least a little protection.

If you are town a counterwagon is always +ev in the immediate sense, so you should build it and push it. Dig hard into Radish. If you just outright prove to yourself that he is not a wolf...great, that helps your win con since lord knows we could use some certainty around here...and if that's how it happens we move to a next case.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:19 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:46 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:41 pm For post game cred: I didn't read much of Tim's post and I don't believe his claim.
This is classic Radish with the IDGAF defense. Building the bad town meta for the next wolf rand, or is this the wolf rand? No way to tell...but there's no way to make him actually help the town here.

If he flips wolf that looks less bad for Vulgard, and Vulgard seems useful if town.

[VOTE: Radishes] aubergine
i'm not extremely familiar with radish's gameplay, can you elucidate on the 'idgaf defense' unless you have already done so in a later post thanks love you

If it does not become clear ping me.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:46 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:39 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:36 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:15 pm YO. Vulgard/Enrique is a WOLF.

Hi. Hello there, welcome to whiterun. Here’s all of Vulgard’s posts on d4 regarding Falcon and the lead up to it:
(Now I do entreat you to read it all in sequence, because it’s QUITE enlightening)

Spoiler: show
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:55 am Nachomamma's ISO I could best describe as inoffensive. There's nothing in it that definitively told me they have no TMI. But it is not a dumpster fire and I do not want to kill this yet.

Falcon's ISO is a step below that. He spent most of the game pushing LHF. The push on Marmot is especially notable because he's tunneled on it hard. If Marmot's mafia, then this looks better for him, but I currently don't think Marmot's a wolf.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:16 am I'm looking at falcon/Nacho/LC/Tim right now as my PoE with Gavial 3p.

Marmot is an outside possibility but I still think it's a town slot.

Still going to check Scotty to determine if clearing him's okay.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:35 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:17 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:09 am Made
MR
DaisyCloud
Jack
TSP

lost monkey
Marmot
Kyle

FMPOV the above are town.

Gavial is my primary 3p read. He's not a pack wolf. I trust he has no TMI based on his play thus far.

If Tim's a wolf, he's partnered with LC. He gave LC an early townshield. "But wolves don't want to look like partners!" Tim's MO as a wolf includes doing those things, I'm sure.

For the record, I reviewed Tim's ISO and I don't townread him. If there's a deepwolf/powerwolf/whatever other than Mac, might be Tim.

I hate that LC pulled this fake redcheck thing. Now I need to read Scotty again.
I'm not sure I've ever seen someone assemble a town core so quickly with so few interactions
Do you have a problem with it because you're not in it, wolf?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:45 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:41 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:22 pm
Hi.
I was told Quin had flipped town :wowee:
Basically the same thing given how hard I townread Radishes.

I agree with his Falcon read, too.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:49 pm

Current wagons are all fine.

Emphasis on wagons. Not vanity votes.

I'm not sure whether Falcon voting no yeet is funny or wolfy. Could be both, could be neither.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 8:08 am Current wagon composition:

Falcon (4): Vulgard, Tim, TSP, Nachomamma
Tim (3): MR, Jack, Scotty

Tim's wagon looks far more pure to me. Falcon still isn't self-pressing, either. It matters less pre-EoD, but still.

I won't vote Tim yet, but I'm leaning that way given the wagon formation.

For out-of-game reasons, I'll be busy for a few hours. I hope I'm able to study EoDs before I have to cast a final vote for the day.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 11:06 am Read EoD1. I concede to Tim that he may be right about Nanook getting vigged in the night. Alison advocated for it and even the yeeted villager found Nanook wolfy. Which means that the kills should be swapped around (Nanook vigged, Alison SPKed). There's also the fact Alison claimed a super pro-town role early d1, so killing her would be +EV for wolves either way.

LC's EoD looks kinda wolfy. He parks a vote on Seanzie and it looks like he's shrugging when he places it.

Seanzie goes down flailing and giving us legacy reads. Nanook scum (wrong). Tim scum (we don't know). "Nook W, Enrique W." Nook is V, and I'm not W. "Tim W, Made V." Made's been greenchecked and Tim is in my PoE.

Tim/Mac EoD 1 interactions look mildly not W/W. I still think it's possible they are partners, though.

Tim disliked the Falcon wagon, and Alison defended Falcon hard for gamestate reasons. Yet now Tim's voting Falcon with me. Tim, what changed?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:25 pm Takeaways from EoD readings:

- DaisyCloud looks unpartnered with several people. I could make a case on her being wolf on an independent level. However, her interactions tell a different story, and she had a villagery response to my case. Not willing to go there as of right now.
- Tim's EoDs, at least the ones he was present for, have not looked great. In hindsight, they look like he is killing townies. And while a villager could indeed be killing townies, he especially sticks out. Why? He's spearheading most pushes. Mac is one person doing that, but he's the other. And those pushes have lead to three misyeets in a row. Tim, you must understand that this is a good reason to tinfoil/suspect you.
- Kyle looks a bit better from his EoD 2.
- Ambivalent on Marmot. Tried pretty hard to save himself at EoD 3, but that's the only time I saw him engaged in the EoD yeet. Meh.
- Falcon and Nacho have never done anything during EoDs. Ever. This fact alone makes me want to vote outside of them today. If they are wolves (especially if both are), then the village has been eating itself alive this entire game. The gamestate doesn't seem to support that. Mac has been supporting pushes on villagers, so they had at least one powerwolf. Would they rely on Mac to do everything for them?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:31 pm Checked Falcon's ISO again and I'm content with leaving my vote there. Even though the wagon composition is... well, it could be better... I'm not coming around to the idea of him being town. He spent most of day 1 pushing LHF, day 2 kicked off with him trying to sell DaisyCloud V, and he's been going UTR.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:27 pm I was curious how Tim would react to me pushing Falcon over him, and I don't like it. He posted from the mindset of "well, I can still get Falcon before I die. If Falcon's my partner, I'm bussing here and maybe this'll give me townpoints. If Falcon's V, at least I get one more villager before I go down." The way he reacted to my thinking looks like he's scrambling to find wolfy things in my posts when there aren't any.

Swapping to Tim, we're killing him today. The mindset of "if Falcon flips town, we're just screwed" isn't villagery. It's the mindset of someone who wants to get another misyeet. Where's the analysis of other slots? If Tim's doubting that Falcon's a wolf (and him debating V!Falcon suggests that), why not look elsewhere? He suggests I'm a wolf, but he doesn't push me. In fact, he's voting with me on Falcon. He seems to believe I'm town and mafia at the same time, since I'm in Enrique's slot. He votes on the same wagon as me and wants to vote out the same player as me, but isn't voting me...

This mindset is inconsistent with what he says. Tim is mafia.

Ok so. Did you see it? Lemme break it down for you.
-he comes out swinging with fresh eyes
-gives everyone a patdown (including a ‘meh’ falcon wedged in there)
-ultimately comes away with a scum team of falcon/nacho/LC/tim. What are the odds...only one of those is bad?
-Tim is baaaad
-the falcon/Tim/LC 2-2-2 tie is a-ok
-(once the falcon wagon picked up steam) well, I’m fine leaving my vote there
-(the falcon wagon is screaming out of the station) that Tim tho. He BAD! Votes Tim

I don’t believe that Vulgard ever really thought falcon would be lynched that day. He was looking for something-{anything}-to slander Tim for, and could justify him switching off and still making it look like he was actually cool with falcon.
This ain’t a bad case though.
I made the same case!!!!

I hate this game sometimes.
I think that if we can somehow win this game, you will be remembered, like that hero Rudy in the movie ‘Rudy’

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:36 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:15 pm YO. Vulgard/Enrique is a WOLF.

Hi. Hello there, welcome to whiterun. Here’s all of Vulgard’s posts on d4 regarding Falcon and the lead up to it:
(Now I do entreat you to read it all in sequence, because it’s QUITE enlightening)

Spoiler: show
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:55 am Nachomamma's ISO I could best describe as inoffensive. There's nothing in it that definitively told me they have no TMI. But it is not a dumpster fire and I do not want to kill this yet.

Falcon's ISO is a step below that. He spent most of the game pushing LHF. The push on Marmot is especially notable because he's tunneled on it hard. If Marmot's mafia, then this looks better for him, but I currently don't think Marmot's a wolf.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:16 am I'm looking at falcon/Nacho/LC/Tim right now as my PoE with Gavial 3p.

Marmot is an outside possibility but I still think it's a town slot.

Still going to check Scotty to determine if clearing him's okay.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:35 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:17 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:09 am Made
MR
DaisyCloud
Jack
TSP

lost monkey
Marmot
Kyle

FMPOV the above are town.

Gavial is my primary 3p read. He's not a pack wolf. I trust he has no TMI based on his play thus far.

If Tim's a wolf, he's partnered with LC. He gave LC an early townshield. "But wolves don't want to look like partners!" Tim's MO as a wolf includes doing those things, I'm sure.

For the record, I reviewed Tim's ISO and I don't townread him. If there's a deepwolf/powerwolf/whatever other than Mac, might be Tim.

I hate that LC pulled this fake redcheck thing. Now I need to read Scotty again.
I'm not sure I've ever seen someone assemble a town core so quickly with so few interactions
Do you have a problem with it because you're not in it, wolf?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:45 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:41 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:58 pm Who replaced Quin again?
Hi.
I was told Quin had flipped town :wowee:
Basically the same thing given how hard I townread Radishes.

I agree with his Falcon read, too.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:49 pm

Current wagons are all fine.

Emphasis on wagons. Not vanity votes.

I'm not sure whether Falcon voting no yeet is funny or wolfy. Could be both, could be neither.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 8:08 am Current wagon composition:

Falcon (4): Vulgard, Tim, TSP, Nachomamma
Tim (3): MR, Jack, Scotty

Tim's wagon looks far more pure to me. Falcon still isn't self-pressing, either. It matters less pre-EoD, but still.

I won't vote Tim yet, but I'm leaning that way given the wagon formation.

For out-of-game reasons, I'll be busy for a few hours. I hope I'm able to study EoDs before I have to cast a final vote for the day.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 11:06 am Read EoD1. I concede to Tim that he may be right about Nanook getting vigged in the night. Alison advocated for it and even the yeeted villager found Nanook wolfy. Which means that the kills should be swapped around (Nanook vigged, Alison SPKed). There's also the fact Alison claimed a super pro-town role early d1, so killing her would be +EV for wolves either way.

LC's EoD looks kinda wolfy. He parks a vote on Seanzie and it looks like he's shrugging when he places it.

Seanzie goes down flailing and giving us legacy reads. Nanook scum (wrong). Tim scum (we don't know). "Nook W, Enrique W." Nook is V, and I'm not W. "Tim W, Made V." Made's been greenchecked and Tim is in my PoE.

Tim/Mac EoD 1 interactions look mildly not W/W. I still think it's possible they are partners, though.

Tim disliked the Falcon wagon, and Alison defended Falcon hard for gamestate reasons. Yet now Tim's voting Falcon with me. Tim, what changed?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:25 pm Takeaways from EoD readings:

- DaisyCloud looks unpartnered with several people. I could make a case on her being wolf on an independent level. However, her interactions tell a different story, and she had a villagery response to my case. Not willing to go there as of right now.
- Tim's EoDs, at least the ones he was present for, have not looked great. In hindsight, they look like he is killing townies. And while a villager could indeed be killing townies, he especially sticks out. Why? He's spearheading most pushes. Mac is one person doing that, but he's the other. And those pushes have lead to three misyeets in a row. Tim, you must understand that this is a good reason to tinfoil/suspect you.
- Kyle looks a bit better from his EoD 2.
- Ambivalent on Marmot. Tried pretty hard to save himself at EoD 3, but that's the only time I saw him engaged in the EoD yeet. Meh.
- Falcon and Nacho have never done anything during EoDs. Ever. This fact alone makes me want to vote outside of them today. If they are wolves (especially if both are), then the village has been eating itself alive this entire game. The gamestate doesn't seem to support that. Mac has been supporting pushes on villagers, so they had at least one powerwolf. Would they rely on Mac to do everything for them?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:31 pm Checked Falcon's ISO again and I'm content with leaving my vote there. Even though the wagon composition is... well, it could be better... I'm not coming around to the idea of him being town. He spent most of day 1 pushing LHF, day 2 kicked off with him trying to sell DaisyCloud V, and he's been going UTR.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:27 pm I was curious how Tim would react to me pushing Falcon over him, and I don't like it. He posted from the mindset of "well, I can still get Falcon before I die. If Falcon's my partner, I'm bussing here and maybe this'll give me townpoints. If Falcon's V, at least I get one more villager before I go down." The way he reacted to my thinking looks like he's scrambling to find wolfy things in my posts when there aren't any.

Swapping to Tim, we're killing him today. The mindset of "if Falcon flips town, we're just screwed" isn't villagery. It's the mindset of someone who wants to get another misyeet. Where's the analysis of other slots? If Tim's doubting that Falcon's a wolf (and him debating V!Falcon suggests that), why not look elsewhere? He suggests I'm a wolf, but he doesn't push me. In fact, he's voting with me on Falcon. He seems to believe I'm town and mafia at the same time, since I'm in Enrique's slot. He votes on the same wagon as me and wants to vote out the same player as me, but isn't voting me...

This mindset is inconsistent with what he says. Tim is mafia.

Ok so. Did you see it? Lemme break it down for you.
-he comes out swinging with fresh eyes
-gives everyone a patdown (including a ‘meh’ falcon wedged in there)
-ultimately comes away with a scum team of falcon/nacho/LC/tim. What are the odds...only one of those is bad?
-Tim is baaaad
-the falcon/Tim/LC 2-2-2 tie is a-ok
-(once the falcon wagon picked up steam) well, I’m fine leaving my vote there
-(the falcon wagon is screaming out of the station) that Tim tho. He BAD! Votes Tim

I don’t believe that Vulgard ever really thought falcon would be lynched that day. He was looking for something-{anything}-to slander Tim for, and could justify him switching off and still making it look like he was actually cool with falcon.
This ain’t a bad case though.

I made the same case!!!!

I hate this game sometimes.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:29 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:23 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:15 pm YO. Vulgard/Enrique is a WOLF.

Hi. Hello there, welcome to whiterun. Here’s all of Vulgard’s posts on d4 regarding Falcon and the lead up to it:
(Now I do entreat you to read it all in sequence, because it’s QUITE enlightening)

Spoiler: show
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:55 am Nachomamma's ISO I could best describe as inoffensive. There's nothing in it that definitively told me they have no TMI. But it is not a dumpster fire and I do not want to kill this yet.

Falcon's ISO is a step below that. He spent most of the game pushing LHF. The push on Marmot is especially notable because he's tunneled on it hard. If Marmot's mafia, then this looks better for him, but I currently don't think Marmot's a wolf.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:16 am I'm looking at falcon/Nacho/LC/Tim right now as my PoE with Gavial 3p.

Marmot is an outside possibility but I still think it's a town slot.

Still going to check Scotty to determine if clearing him's okay.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:35 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:17 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:09 am Made
MR
DaisyCloud
Jack
TSP

lost monkey
Marmot
Kyle

FMPOV the above are town.

Gavial is my primary 3p read. He's not a pack wolf. I trust he has no TMI based on his play thus far.

If Tim's a wolf, he's partnered with LC. He gave LC an early townshield. "But wolves don't want to look like partners!" Tim's MO as a wolf includes doing those things, I'm sure.

For the record, I reviewed Tim's ISO and I don't townread him. If there's a deepwolf/powerwolf/whatever other than Mac, might be Tim.

I hate that LC pulled this fake redcheck thing. Now I need to read Scotty again.
I'm not sure I've ever seen someone assemble a town core so quickly with so few interactions
Do you have a problem with it because you're not in it, wolf?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:45 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:41 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:58 pm Who replaced Quin again?
Hi.
I was told Quin had flipped town :wowee:
Basically the same thing given how hard I townread Radishes.

I agree with his Falcon read, too.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:49 pm

Current wagons are all fine.

Emphasis on wagons. Not vanity votes.

I'm not sure whether Falcon voting no yeet is funny or wolfy. Could be both, could be neither.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 8:08 am Current wagon composition:

Falcon (4): Vulgard, Tim, TSP, Nachomamma
Tim (3): MR, Jack, Scotty

Tim's wagon looks far more pure to me. Falcon still isn't self-pressing, either. It matters less pre-EoD, but still.

I won't vote Tim yet, but I'm leaning that way given the wagon formation.

For out-of-game reasons, I'll be busy for a few hours. I hope I'm able to study EoDs before I have to cast a final vote for the day.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 11:06 am Read EoD1. I concede to Tim that he may be right about Nanook getting vigged in the night. Alison advocated for it and even the yeeted villager found Nanook wolfy. Which means that the kills should be swapped around (Nanook vigged, Alison SPKed). There's also the fact Alison claimed a super pro-town role early d1, so killing her would be +EV for wolves either way.

LC's EoD looks kinda wolfy. He parks a vote on Seanzie and it looks like he's shrugging when he places it.

Seanzie goes down flailing and giving us legacy reads. Nanook scum (wrong). Tim scum (we don't know). "Nook W, Enrique W." Nook is V, and I'm not W. "Tim W, Made V." Made's been greenchecked and Tim is in my PoE.

Tim/Mac EoD 1 interactions look mildly not W/W. I still think it's possible they are partners, though.

Tim disliked the Falcon wagon, and Alison defended Falcon hard for gamestate reasons. Yet now Tim's voting Falcon with me. Tim, what changed?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:25 pm Takeaways from EoD readings:

- DaisyCloud looks unpartnered with several people. I could make a case on her being wolf on an independent level. However, her interactions tell a different story, and she had a villagery response to my case. Not willing to go there as of right now.
- Tim's EoDs, at least the ones he was present for, have not looked great. In hindsight, they look like he is killing townies. And while a villager could indeed be killing townies, he especially sticks out. Why? He's spearheading most pushes. Mac is one person doing that, but he's the other. And those pushes have lead to three misyeets in a row. Tim, you must understand that this is a good reason to tinfoil/suspect you.
- Kyle looks a bit better from his EoD 2.
- Ambivalent on Marmot. Tried pretty hard to save himself at EoD 3, but that's the only time I saw him engaged in the EoD yeet. Meh.
- Falcon and Nacho have never done anything during EoDs. Ever. This fact alone makes me want to vote outside of them today. If they are wolves (especially if both are), then the village has been eating itself alive this entire game. The gamestate doesn't seem to support that. Mac has been supporting pushes on villagers, so they had at least one powerwolf. Would they rely on Mac to do everything for them?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:31 pm Checked Falcon's ISO again and I'm content with leaving my vote there. Even though the wagon composition is... well, it could be better... I'm not coming around to the idea of him being town. He spent most of day 1 pushing LHF, day 2 kicked off with him trying to sell DaisyCloud V, and he's been going UTR.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:27 pm I was curious how Tim would react to me pushing Falcon over him, and I don't like it. He posted from the mindset of "well, I can still get Falcon before I die. If Falcon's my partner, I'm bussing here and maybe this'll give me townpoints. If Falcon's V, at least I get one more villager before I go down." The way he reacted to my thinking looks like he's scrambling to find wolfy things in my posts when there aren't any.

Swapping to Tim, we're killing him today. The mindset of "if Falcon flips town, we're just screwed" isn't villagery. It's the mindset of someone who wants to get another misyeet. Where's the analysis of other slots? If Tim's doubting that Falcon's a wolf (and him debating V!Falcon suggests that), why not look elsewhere? He suggests I'm a wolf, but he doesn't push me. In fact, he's voting with me on Falcon. He seems to believe I'm town and mafia at the same time, since I'm in Enrique's slot. He votes on the same wagon as me and wants to vote out the same player as me, but isn't voting me...

This mindset is inconsistent with what he says. Tim is mafia.

Ok so. Did you see it? Lemme break it down for you.
-he comes out swinging with fresh eyes
-gives everyone a patdown (including a ‘meh’ falcon wedged in there)
-ultimately comes away with a scum team of falcon/nacho/LC/tim. What are the odds...only one of those is bad?
-Tim is baaaad
-the falcon/Tim/LC 2-2-2 tie is a-ok
-(once the falcon wagon picked up steam) well, I’m fine leaving my vote there
-(the falcon wagon is screaming out of the station) that Tim tho. He BAD! Votes Tim

I don’t believe that Vulgard ever really thought falcon would be lynched that day. He was looking for something-{anything}-to slander Tim for, and could justify him switching off and still making it look like he was actually cool with falcon.
You steal my case NOW? Where were you BEFORE I volunteered to eat a night kill?
I just had to look at it myself.

No offense, but you’re not the most trusted person in town. But i appreciate that you had me look at all

Wait, what?

Not the most trusted person in town?

How?

You ya gonna trust more than me?

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:15 pm YO. Vulgard/Enrique is a WOLF.

Hi. Hello there, welcome to whiterun. Here’s all of Vulgard’s posts on d4 regarding Falcon and the lead up to it:
(Now I do entreat you to read it all in sequence, because it’s QUITE enlightening)

Spoiler: show
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:55 am Nachomamma's ISO I could best describe as inoffensive. There's nothing in it that definitively told me they have no TMI. But it is not a dumpster fire and I do not want to kill this yet.

Falcon's ISO is a step below that. He spent most of the game pushing LHF. The push on Marmot is especially notable because he's tunneled on it hard. If Marmot's mafia, then this looks better for him, but I currently don't think Marmot's a wolf.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:16 am I'm looking at falcon/Nacho/LC/Tim right now as my PoE with Gavial 3p.

Marmot is an outside possibility but I still think it's a town slot.

Still going to check Scotty to determine if clearing him's okay.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:35 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:17 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:09 am Made
MR
DaisyCloud
Jack
TSP

lost monkey
Marmot
Kyle

FMPOV the above are town.

Gavial is my primary 3p read. He's not a pack wolf. I trust he has no TMI based on his play thus far.

If Tim's a wolf, he's partnered with LC. He gave LC an early townshield. "But wolves don't want to look like partners!" Tim's MO as a wolf includes doing those things, I'm sure.

For the record, I reviewed Tim's ISO and I don't townread him. If there's a deepwolf/powerwolf/whatever other than Mac, might be Tim.

I hate that LC pulled this fake redcheck thing. Now I need to read Scotty again.
I'm not sure I've ever seen someone assemble a town core so quickly with so few interactions
Do you have a problem with it because you're not in it, wolf?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:45 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:41 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:58 pm Who replaced Quin again?
Hi.
I was told Quin had flipped town :wowee:
Basically the same thing given how hard I townread Radishes.

I agree with his Falcon read, too.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:49 pm

Current wagons are all fine.

Emphasis on wagons. Not vanity votes.

I'm not sure whether Falcon voting no yeet is funny or wolfy. Could be both, could be neither.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 8:08 am Current wagon composition:

Falcon (4): Vulgard, Tim, TSP, Nachomamma
Tim (3): MR, Jack, Scotty

Tim's wagon looks far more pure to me. Falcon still isn't self-pressing, either. It matters less pre-EoD, but still.

I won't vote Tim yet, but I'm leaning that way given the wagon formation.

For out-of-game reasons, I'll be busy for a few hours. I hope I'm able to study EoDs before I have to cast a final vote for the day.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 11:06 am Read EoD1. I concede to Tim that he may be right about Nanook getting vigged in the night. Alison advocated for it and even the yeeted villager found Nanook wolfy. Which means that the kills should be swapped around (Nanook vigged, Alison SPKed). There's also the fact Alison claimed a super pro-town role early d1, so killing her would be +EV for wolves either way.

LC's EoD looks kinda wolfy. He parks a vote on Seanzie and it looks like he's shrugging when he places it.

Seanzie goes down flailing and giving us legacy reads. Nanook scum (wrong). Tim scum (we don't know). "Nook W, Enrique W." Nook is V, and I'm not W. "Tim W, Made V." Made's been greenchecked and Tim is in my PoE.

Tim/Mac EoD 1 interactions look mildly not W/W. I still think it's possible they are partners, though.

Tim disliked the Falcon wagon, and Alison defended Falcon hard for gamestate reasons. Yet now Tim's voting Falcon with me. Tim, what changed?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:25 pm Takeaways from EoD readings:

- DaisyCloud looks unpartnered with several people. I could make a case on her being wolf on an independent level. However, her interactions tell a different story, and she had a villagery response to my case. Not willing to go there as of right now.
- Tim's EoDs, at least the ones he was present for, have not looked great. In hindsight, they look like he is killing townies. And while a villager could indeed be killing townies, he especially sticks out. Why? He's spearheading most pushes. Mac is one person doing that, but he's the other. And those pushes have lead to three misyeets in a row. Tim, you must understand that this is a good reason to tinfoil/suspect you.
- Kyle looks a bit better from his EoD 2.
- Ambivalent on Marmot. Tried pretty hard to save himself at EoD 3, but that's the only time I saw him engaged in the EoD yeet. Meh.
- Falcon and Nacho have never done anything during EoDs. Ever. This fact alone makes me want to vote outside of them today. If they are wolves (especially if both are), then the village has been eating itself alive this entire game. The gamestate doesn't seem to support that. Mac has been supporting pushes on villagers, so they had at least one powerwolf. Would they rely on Mac to do everything for them?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:31 pm Checked Falcon's ISO again and I'm content with leaving my vote there. Even though the wagon composition is... well, it could be better... I'm not coming around to the idea of him being town. He spent most of day 1 pushing LHF, day 2 kicked off with him trying to sell DaisyCloud V, and he's been going UTR.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:27 pm I was curious how Tim would react to me pushing Falcon over him, and I don't like it. He posted from the mindset of "well, I can still get Falcon before I die. If Falcon's my partner, I'm bussing here and maybe this'll give me townpoints. If Falcon's V, at least I get one more villager before I go down." The way he reacted to my thinking looks like he's scrambling to find wolfy things in my posts when there aren't any.

Swapping to Tim, we're killing him today. The mindset of "if Falcon flips town, we're just screwed" isn't villagery. It's the mindset of someone who wants to get another misyeet. Where's the analysis of other slots? If Tim's doubting that Falcon's a wolf (and him debating V!Falcon suggests that), why not look elsewhere? He suggests I'm a wolf, but he doesn't push me. In fact, he's voting with me on Falcon. He seems to believe I'm town and mafia at the same time, since I'm in Enrique's slot. He votes on the same wagon as me and wants to vote out the same player as me, but isn't voting me...

This mindset is inconsistent with what he says. Tim is mafia.

Ok so. Did you see it? Lemme break it down for you.
-he comes out swinging with fresh eyes
-gives everyone a patdown (including a ‘meh’ falcon wedged in there)
-ultimately comes away with a scum team of falcon/nacho/LC/tim. What are the odds...only one of those is bad?
-Tim is baaaad
-the falcon/Tim/LC 2-2-2 tie is a-ok
-(once the falcon wagon picked up steam) well, I’m fine leaving my vote there
-(the falcon wagon is screaming out of the station) that Tim tho. He BAD! Votes Tim

I don’t believe that Vulgard ever really thought falcon would be lynched that day. He was looking for something-{anything}-to slander Tim for, and could justify him switching off and still making it look like he was actually cool with falcon.

You steal my case NOW? Where were you BEFORE I volunteered to eat a night kill?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:29 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:04 pm I do want to add that if I were a wolf with extra KP on N3 with town on a three consecutive mischop run, the regular NK, and a razor kill...no, that wolf NEVER shoots Mac. I shoot the towniest town in the town, day four dawns with three more dead townies and not a sniff of a wolf, and that's game. If anyone suggests a hellbus Mac kill I will genuinely flip out and just wash my hands of this town.

There is a world where a 3P killed Mac, and you're claiming it because they can't cc without consequences, but that is a risky claim to make yes, and therefore unlikely.

I have this timfoil in my head after Syn's hydra that this money role you have is really just another gambit. I'm not voting for you today, because I know there's evidence that points to the contrary of that, but your role also sounds like nothing anyone else has.

I'm kinda surprised tbh. When whoever it was flipped as the "Ashlander Trader" I was kinda thinking they would be similar.

Well if I could just go to shrine every third night and get a shot I wouldn't claim...N7 isn't that far away. And their shots haven't been great, but they haven't been wolfy.

I do want to add that if I were a wolf with extra KP on N3 with town on a three consecutive mischop run, the regular NK, and a razor kill...no, that wolf NEVER shoots Mac. I shoot the towniest town in the town, day four dawns with three more dead townies and not a sniff of a wolf, and that's game. If anyone suggests a hellbus Mac kill I will genuinely flip out and just wash my hands of this town.

@Marmot

I do think there is a shrine granting someone vig shots, and that they shot Nanook N1 and Nacho N4...standard shrine, have to wait three days to go back, accessed it N1.

I am a separate system. I go to a shrine and get 'money' based on how many other people go to the shrine. I get no info about what the shrine does for anyone else, so for all I know I have been to the vig shrine. But the money I collect, when I collect enough, turns into a vig shot. Problem is it took me three nights to get enough for the first shot and that was with a LOT of other players in the game. Last night was a zero. I am a loooooong way from getting another shot. So it was time to just out and clear myself with the one shot I got. If I get CCed, cool, outed a wolf. If the fact that I am town reduces the POE and we bag a wolf, great. If I eat an NK, that's fine I did my part.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:27 pm Lol, I thought you were suggesting that you gave me a bulletproof, which I was happy to play along with.

If I gave you bulletproof when you are already yeetproof you would be an indestructible Marmot...

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:21 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:18 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:16 pm Sorry for slanking, I'm very behind, have I missed anything important? Has anyone read through falcon for spew yet?
I claimed vig and outed you as bulletproof.

If you mean yeet-immune, then yes, yes I am.

I'm not terribly surprised by that claim based on your earlier comments about vigs in the game. Did you claim which kills?

I killed Mac.

I totally lied about outing you as bulletproof.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:16 pm Sorry for slanking, I'm very behind, have I missed anything important? Has anyone read through falcon for spew yet?

I claimed vig and outed you as bulletproof.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:11 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:00 pm

KZA is voting Gavil.
Wait, did I miss an announcement where KZA was allowed to vote?
I thought the person letting that happened died.

Activated before the kill maybe? Artifacts gonna artifact?

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:00 pm

KZA is voting Gavil.
Wait, did I miss an announcement where KZA was allowed to vote?

Part of why I have fought so hard to stay alive instead of just shaking the dust of this dismal town off my boots and laughing at you all is that I figure all this dead people voting means that dying won't get me into spec chat anyway so I might as well stay with you losers and try to help you miraculously see daylight here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:59 pm I used to like it when I townread everyone. Now it just annoys me. What have I become?

Finally getting gud. About frickin' time.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:57 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:56 pm So for Radish to hang a frigging wall post case on Falcon and then say "but Tim feels off, so that case is equal or better and I go there" is just fucking ridiculous.
Is it though

Yeah Radish, it really is. Like, on both ends.

I am accustomed to IDGAF Radish, and when that Radish steps up and says "okay y'all, I know I said I wasn't gonna, but you are obviously totally lost so I went and read ISOs and did stuff and here's a case" I expect a "let's goooooooo!!!!" and a vote and something I can just put on my executioner hat and even if you go crawl in your little Euro time zone bed and leave it to me we are gonna kill a wolf. You make the case, I grab it and run and I am gonna slaughter Falcon and...W T F ??? You aren't even voting it?

On the other end, you are one of the few people who actually gets "yeah Tim always feels wolfy." You've said it game after game after game, no matter your alignment or mine. Yet there you are with a one line case that amounts to "Tim feels wolfy."

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