The Syndicate

If I could pick I'd agree with Mac's Epi idea for the same reasons that he'd be a valuable clear if he's good and a valuable red check if he's bad.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:01 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:58 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:56 pm @Thunal33 any input?
Hi. I'd rather you target a PoE player since I think it would be a waste to choose either of us.
What is your PoE?

Here it is.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:37 pm Target in Epi, Falcon, Roxy, Rondo imo.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:56 pm @Thunal33 any input?

Hi. I'd rather you target a PoE player since I think it would be a waste to choose either of us.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:39 pm You townread him for his willingness to sling mud and engage with the thread.

Now you are scumreading him for "appealing to the thread than, say, him throwing out that Splints/Zenon were w/w in Solar System without a care about what everyone else thought".

Which is it?

That was more of a side reason to townread him and my change is partly just seeing how sins act with two of them flipped and another one outed. They mostly acted *different* while not necessarily being scummy, and I think Falcon fits that profile. I realized that his way of engagement was different and not as towny as I had thought.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:42 pm

Falcon was in a champs game?

Nope. Wiml triggered the same tell as a wolf, I townread him for it, and I realized it's not clearing to be paranoid about something that seems unrelated to the game and it's more about the mindset underneath it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:41 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:28 pm Any volunteers?
Wilgy
Dubz
Falcon
Epi
Matahari
Roxy

Target Epi with immediacy. He is the highest value solve in this list imo.
Why do you think he's the highest value solve?
Why are you asking this now, after you agreed with it?

The rest of them are more likely to self resolve than Epi and I don't worry about them carrying as much as I would if Epi was mafia. Epi is the most effective deepwolf in this list of players, and if he is town, knowing that his perspective is genuine is also at least equally as valuable as the best person on this list. Imo.

I was nodding and thought it made some sense since he wasn't as easy to read as some of the others and then it occurred to me to ask to see your reasons.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:37 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:28 pm Any volunteers?
Wilgy
Dubz
Falcon
Epi
Matahari
Roxy

Target Epi with immediacy. He is the highest value solve in this list imo.
This is a good PoE tbh. I'm increasingly suspicious of Falcon since his solving seems different than I'm used to seeing from him. More appealing to the thread than, say, him throwing out that Splints/Zenon were w/w in Solar System without a care about what everyone else thought.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 12:49 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:08 am Falcon is mafia.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:52 pm
I have a fairly confident town read on Falcon. Part of it was him calling tutuu's meme game off because the pic didn't match her description. That's the kind of nitpicky paranoia I think comes way more often from town. Same with him talking about the details with Kate's vegetable list. Even though that one isn't entirely serious, imo it still shows Falcon cares about looking for things that seem off. I think his willingness to sling mud and engage with the thread also leans towny.

I had a tell I was confident in (Falcon noticing tutuu's picture didn't match her description and making a read off it) until it failed me in a champs game I spectated.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:28 pm Any volunteers?
Wilgy
Dubz
Falcon
Epi
Matahari
Roxy

Target Epi with immediacy. He is the highest value solve in this list imo.

Why do you think he's the highest value solve?

Target in Epi, Falcon, Roxy, Rondo imo.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:28 pm Any volunteers?
Wilgy
Dubz
Falcon
Epi
Matahari
Roxy

Target Epi with immediacy. He is the highest value solve in this list imo.

This is a good PoE tbh. I'm increasingly suspicious of Falcon since his solving seems different than I'm used to seeing from him. More appealing to the thread than, say, him throwing out that Splints/Zenon were w/w in Solar System without a care about what everyone else thought.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:28 pm Dennis is outed baddie

DrWilgy is ...

Dubz ... was towny day 1, did they even post day 2? Where's Dubz? Someone was saying he was outed yesterday and I was assuming it was some sort of joke? Dubz got given a Zenon gift on n1 with three votes and then didn't even show up?

Epi is ...

falcon is ... alive ... which is weird

jack "self resolves" so is town

Mac is me, I am Mac

Matahari is ... kind of like ... rand but ... wolfy side of rand ... kinda want SVS to solve Matahari @S~V~S what say you?

Michelle is ... I thought towny for the omgus day 1 but that's too generous. @Thunal33 why u clearin'?

Nanook ... probably wouldn't have killed Zenon and Zenon looks like a fairly clear John Doe kill to me? And he's all level 1 and whatever which is fine. Like whatever townread the guy.

Rondo is all setup solving and stuff and I just think he's town now cuz like why not (HE KNOWS TOO MUCH DONT TRUST HIM).

Roxy is ... kind of like ... rand but ... wolfy side of rand ... kinda want SVS to solve Matahari @S~V~S what say you?

Seanzie teabags evil

S~V~S is a derpcleared IC

I looked at Thunal's ISO to see the thing I'm supposed to see to townread them and I couldn't find it but I'm townreading them now anyway

Sooooo

Thunal wants me to townread Michelle so fine.

Towncore

Thunal
Rondo
Nanook
SVS
Jack
Seanzie

Sussy baka list

Wilgy
Dubz
Falcon
Epi
Matahari
Roxy

We have John Doe and 5 sins left.

There are 6 names there.

If your name is there and you can self clear with mech. Do it.

Michelle's d2 continued push on you also looks good for her. It feels like headstrong town Michelle and I feel like she both believed her push on you and wouldn't go that hard on it if she were a baddie since it would be a really risky move.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:21 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:15 pm We are in World 1

In world 1 everything is just easy and fun

In world 1 the following players are town

Rondo for setup solving
Thunal for wim and hard solving
Nanook for being super towny and probably never killing Zenon
Seanzie for teabagging 2 sins
Jack because he "self confirms" and wolves never claim to do that (do they? lol)

Who else is level 1 AN TOWNIE?
ehh I still am not convinced we're in level 1 world and I wouldn't clear Rondo. I've played enough mafia.gg games with lost wolves to know not everything that looks like a signal is one, but I think it raises the odds of him being mafia and I'm a little paranoid at how agreeable and conventionally towny he is compared to Solar System.

I'd add you and Michelle to the list.
Your solution is based on the idea Pyxxy knows who Joh Doe is, talk me through how you came to that?

I'd guess he does because we know John Doe knows the sin's identity and Kate's role doesn't say anything about not knowing John Doe. I kind of feel like knowing John Doe would be the default. It's also some setup spec that spending two whole phases with there not being a true informed minority isn't even really mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:15 pm We are in World 1

In world 1 everything is just easy and fun

In world 1 the following players are town

Rondo for setup solving
Thunal for wim and hard solving
Nanook for being super towny and probably never killing Zenon
Seanzie for teabagging 2 sins
Jack because he "self confirms" and wolves never claim to do that (do they? lol)

Who else is level 1 AN TOWNIE?

ehh I still am not convinced we're in level 1 world and I wouldn't clear Rondo. I've played enough mafia.gg games with lost wolves to know not everything that looks like a signal is one, but I think it raises the odds of him being mafia and I'm a little paranoid at how agreeable and conventionally towny he is compared to Solar System.

I'd add you and Michelle to the list.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:59 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:48 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:39 pm Here's some interesting mech info. From Kate's role:
-You will become mafia, gaining BTSC with all other members a full phase after becoming mafia.

So if pyxxy's conversion was similar, then he wouldn't have BTSC with John Doe d2. I'm not sure if "a full phase" means day and night cycle or just a day phase.

And I noticed last night that John Doe has a profile in the setup roles spoiler. Here's the only thing on conversion from it:
You start with no teammates. If a Deadly Sin changes to align with you, you will immediately know their identity but ???

So John Doe would know pyxxy's alignment, but would pyxxy know John Doe's alignment? I'd guess so and I'll solve in a world where he does but it's possible he doesn't.
Tell me about your current worldview.
Rn from what I've learned from how sins act I think baddies may play in a way that's different from their usual play, even if that difference doesn't translate to TMI. Falcon and Roxy are in my PoE since they both come across as different from their usual game. I had a tinfoil on SVS but I don't think that's true because from what you said Kate had a real townread on her.

I have a cool theory that might narrow down who John Doe could be. Assuming pyxxy does know the identity of John Doe, he made a post SOD2 saying he thought DOOM was killed for non-setup related reasons. I read into this post as genuine so I think John Doe is someone pyxxy could believe killed DOOM for non-setup reasons. Off the top of my head that means, say, Mac isn't John Doe since I couldn't imagine him killing anyone for non-setup reasons and pyxxy would know that. I'll look into who else fits that category.

I realized there's a lot of people who I'm not sure if they would kill someone for non-setup reasons, and I'm not sure pyxxy would know either. Personally I don't think Mac, Michelle, or Epi would but I'm not sure how much pyxxy knows the Syndicate crowd or who he would make the connection of "the NK was for non-setup reasons" for.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:38 amhi rondo

This leans w/w with Rondo. Pyxxy's d1 takes talked about different people than his d2 takes. He paid attention to tutuu and Rondo d1 yet didn’t say anything about them d2 except for this. Pyxxy didn't have BTSC with John Doe and this makes me paranoid that it was a signal to him.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:38 pm
I think whoever killed doom did it for non-setup-related reasons

either they wanted her to take a break (but missed that she dropped the class) or they were actually annoyed by the off-topic posting

I put myself in the former category except I saw the drop message + in.....Cosmere? there was a game with me and doom and my biggest takeaway is that sometimes she just shares shit and if it makes me squint + confused then she's town. sample size like 2-3 games though

This post reads to me as truthful. Assuming pyxxy does know who John Doe is, I think he would believe that John Doe would kill someone for non-setup related reasons.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:27 am
*slams the yes button while tears of pride stream down my face*

He said his role and I didn’t even think about it lol.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:36 am

any chance you've got a theme/setup/movie-plot-related reason to think this

I watched the first episode of Twin Peaks instead of Se7en without knowing that ep 1 was basically as long as a movie

back on the topic at hand

from what Seanzie said it didn't seem like Kate had a way to win with town

hmmmmmm okay so grain of salt like Seanzie said, but iirc Seanzie said he was posing as a sin? so (heavy fan theories here -->) maybe Seanzie did something like say that he could win alone or with scum, and then Kate went "oh yeah samesies Seanzies"

this might be worth asking Seanzie to speak further on, I don't think it would reveal much and it might help confirm how much to trust point #1

re: #2, after being in a game with Kate and SVS, can confirm they can accurate snipe each other, so if I believe #1 then I'm inclined to believe #2

idk about #3/dont wanna hear about #4 atm

I’m inclined to think him trusting Kate on SVS was genuine. I feel like if he were scum with SVS this post would make a bigger deal of either him trusting SVS or him not trusting SVS.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 3:37 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:23 pm Why are there 9 on Kate?

Asking in a non-partnered way.
lmao nook posted exactly like this when we were wolfing together and lily got mech outed

putting nook in the sin bin

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 3:50 pm

"Asking in a non-partnered way."
bit is NAI imo for nook

"Why are there 9 on Kate?"
is what I really think is sus nook behavior

although now I'm rereading my ol' pal nook and actually I think not knowing anything is maybe townie, but showing up to know a thing is what was bad
search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&t=24 ... d=665&ch=0

consider me taking nook out of the auto-sin bin :/ hm

When wolves waffle like this they tend to do it on townies. I don’t think Nook is John Doe from this since it feels like pyxxy was doing a real read on him. The first post also has the self-confidence to make me think it was real.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:48 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:39 pm Here's some interesting mech info. From Kate's role:
-You will become mafia, gaining BTSC with all other members a full phase after becoming mafia.

So if pyxxy's conversion was similar, then he wouldn't have BTSC with John Doe d2. I'm not sure if "a full phase" means day and night cycle or just a day phase.

And I noticed last night that John Doe has a profile in the setup roles spoiler. Here's the only thing on conversion from it:
You start with no teammates. If a Deadly Sin changes to align with you, you will immediately know their identity but ???

So John Doe would know pyxxy's alignment, but would pyxxy know John Doe's alignment? I'd guess so and I'll solve in a world where he does but it's possible he doesn't.
Tell me about your current worldview.

Rn from what I've learned from how sins act I think baddies may play in a way that's different from their usual play, even if that difference doesn't translate to TMI. Falcon and Roxy are in my PoE since they both come across as different from their usual game. I had a tinfoil on SVS but I don't think that's true because from what you said Kate had a real townread on her.

I have a cool theory that might narrow down who John Doe could be. Assuming pyxxy does know the identity of John Doe, he made a post SOD2 saying he thought DOOM was killed for non-setup related reasons. I read into this post as genuine so I think John Doe is someone pyxxy could believe killed DOOM for non-setup reasons. Off the top of my head that means, say, Mac isn't John Doe since I couldn't imagine him killing anyone for non-setup reasons and pyxxy would know that. I'll look into who else fits that category.

Here's some interesting mech info. From Kate's role:
-You will become mafia, gaining BTSC with all other members a full phase after becoming mafia.

So if pyxxy's conversion was similar, then he wouldn't have BTSC with John Doe d2. I'm not sure if "a full phase" means day and night cycle or just a day phase.

And I noticed last night that John Doe has a profile in the setup roles spoiler. Here's the only thing on conversion from it:
You start with no teammates. If a Deadly Sin changes to align with you, you will immediately know their identity but ???

So John Doe would know pyxxy's alignment, but would pyxxy know John Doe's alignment? I'd guess so and I'll solve in a world where he does but it's possible he doesn't.

I see you've already sheeped me.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:23 pm Or thunal, probably gonna sheep thun actually

Cool, I'm very sheepable. You should vote Dennis.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:15 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:05 pm Nice! This is going really well!

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine
Is it? At the end of the day we need to find John Doe.

Well it's day 3 and we've already killed 2 baddies with one more outed. It's a lot better than I expected from a game where baddies can genuinely solve.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:05 pm It says Pyxxy was Mafia aligned.

I think he converted to mafia.

Nice! This is going really well!

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:21 pm Thanks. That all sounds reasonable at first glance.

One more question if you don't mind:

How do you view the idea that Kate and Dennis are okay with how things are playing out?

Forgive me if you already answered this and I glossed over it. Long day.
I did already address this, tldr I think it is because Kate kinda thought she might be screwed pretty much since SoD, so she had already mentally processed it. I saw her rolecard (or, part of it rather), so I had her dead-to-rights, and there was no way she was winning that thunderdome. I believe she is still independently aligned, so even if she did survive one extra day, it wouldn't actually help her win. Similarly for Dennis.

I also think regardless of their behavior, seeing their flip will help us figure out what sorts of things to be expecting.

Got any theories on their wincon? That's something I'm curious about especially since Kate and Dennis both just gave up. I feel like their lolcatting isn't characteristic of two people who just 100% lost the game so I'm wondering if the sins have a collective wincon.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:18 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:07 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:05 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:02 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 7:29 pm So who do people think John Doe is?
Nook, Thun, Jack, Wilgy, Falcon all deserve more scrutiny IMO. You might as well, but this is the first post I think I've seen of you, so I'm not actually qualified to say anything about you at this point.
If I had to order the list it would probably be

Nook
Falcon
Wilgy
Jack
Thun

In order of most likely baddie to least likely baddie.
Since you're the hero of the day, might I ask for a morsel or two on each as to why you think that?

No pressure- hunting a singular person is hard, but apparently you've had some fun behind the scenes to get you to this point.
Nook - his recent posting re: Kate and Dennis being outed reminds me more of scum!nook pretending to be disinterested rather than town!Nook actually being disinterested.

Falcon - I read his D1 ISO and was actually thinking about targeting him, but since I expressed sus of him D1 and voted for him, I thought it would be harder to run the gambit I did with him. His D1 ISO did not have the characteristic game-related prods that I associate with town Falcon. I don't remember anything from him D2, which also isn't great.

Wilgy - I don't know. They're behind the scenes in my mind today even more so than usual.

Jack - Spending a whole lot more time messing around rather than scum hunting. I don't think I saw a single solving post at all today.

Thun - I had a bad feeling about her yesterday, but take that with a grain of salt since I always have a bad feeling about her. I also thought about targeting her overnight, but decided against it since I often suspect her regardless of her alignment, especially early game (so y'all should figure her out... or I will eventually).

I'm pretty sure my name on a playerlist gives you a bad feeling lol.

About Nook, I think his posts about being disinterested were not entirely serious regardless of alignment. It feels *too* exaggerated and fake for him to think people will believe he isn't exaggerating. It's like he's trying to be hard to read and if he is he's succeeding.

I have paranoia about Falcon because he's too towny if that makes any sense. Normally he seems against the grain, has a somewhat narrow focus, and sometimes comes up with theories out of left field. Here it seems like he's prodding a lot of places and feels more productive on a surface level but there isn't the kind of conviction I normally feel from his pushes.

One thing I'm wondering is what Kate's real read on Wilgy and others was. Afaik she's not informed and therefore will have done some genuine solving, but I looked back and can't figure out if her Wilgy read is real or fake. She certainly didn't pursue it to the extent she often pursues her confident scumreads.

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:59 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:58 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 2:08 am
Okay I see. But I don't understand how you feel that way at all. They are disconnected thoughts only in the way I also don't connect my thoughts. But am I a wolf?

I say things and move on without elaborating constantly is that wolfy?
It's not the same thing. With you I feel like there's an interest or sequence to your thought process even if it's sometimes random and disconnected. I don't feel the same way with Wilgy. It's disconnected in that it feels like he doesn't care about knowing the answers to his questions.

I don't think Kate and Dennis being outed means he's clear, but I also think my time rn is best spent looking for difficult wolves. We don't have huge likely t/t wagons pushed by very skilled players if the game is easy, I don't get randomly suspected if the game is easy, and I don't think Kate is the first to get outed if the game is easy.

As far as who could be the difficult baddies, I don't think it's Mac or Tutuu. I have an idea that it might me SVS and I also want to look into Falcon and Jack. As far as SVS, I find it weird that Kate didn't make a read on her at all. SVS being fooled by Kate makes sense, but similarly to how Kate ignored Dennis Kate also ignored SVS but even more and I'd expect Kate to have some read on her. Dennis may have signaled SVS because he thought Seanzie was SVS, but what if Dennis signaled SVS because he thought she was bad for other reasons?

@MacDougall I really believe you can find me as town if you read my ISO.

I laughed. I wish I weren't postcapped since I'd engage so much more with you lolKate.

Zenon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 2:08 am
Okay I see. But I don't understand how you feel that way at all. They are disconnected thoughts only in the way I also don't connect my thoughts. But am I a wolf?

I say things and move on without elaborating constantly is that wolfy?

It's not the same thing. With you I feel like there's an interest or sequence to your thought process even if it's sometimes random and disconnected. I don't feel the same way with Wilgy. It's disconnected in that it feels like he doesn't care about knowing the answers to his questions.

I don't think Kate and Dennis being outed means he's clear, but I also think my time rn is best spent looking for difficult wolves. We don't have huge likely t/t wagons pushed by very skilled players if the game is easy, I don't get randomly suspected if the game is easy, and I don't think Kate is the first to get outed if the game is easy.

As far as who could be the difficult baddies, I don't think it's Mac or Tutuu. I have an idea that it might me SVS and I also want to look into Falcon and Jack. As far as SVS, I find it weird that Kate didn't make a read on her at all. SVS being fooled by Kate makes sense, but similarly to how Kate ignored Dennis Kate also ignored SVS but even more and I'd expect Kate to have some read on her. Dennis may have signaled SVS because he thought Seanzie was SVS, but what if Dennis signaled SVS because he thought she was bad for other reasons?

@MacDougall I really believe you can find me as town if you read my ISO.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:55 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:53 am Kate told Seanzie she tracked Greed but wouldn't tell him who it was.

Seanzie has mech knowledge Kate was Lust.

I track Kate to Dennis. It tells Seanzie who it is.

I'm top scumread? Why just give up? Why not just claim I'm lying or something? Why doesn't Dennis just claim Kate lied to Seanzie about him being Greed? Why do are they both ok with death?

How did Seanzie know Kate was Lust in the first place? N0 action? I need answers.
Kate didn't track Greed, she had some sort of BTSC with them, and said she targeted them to create it since she was confident they were bad (which made me think greed had to be in {Roxy, Matahari, SVS, Dennis}, and I was delaying outing about Kate for a while because I was trying to get her to give me more info so I could narrow it down, and was strongly thinking it was Dennis before you revealed, but your reveal, plus Kate kinda tensing up in the chat made it so the ruse had diminishing returns)

I did not know Kate was lust, but I ISO'ed her N1 and she didn't look like town!Kate, so I targeted her. I got BTSC with her, and I came in out the gate saying that I was a sin and I would have died if I targeted a non-sin, so I knew she was a sin. Gambit paid off, and she slipped up kinda quick, then doubled back because I think she realized I could be lying, and then we went back and forth for a while with her not trusting me, then I found out that we can say anything we want in BTSC (and promptly shit my pants because all the sudden I needed a fakeclaim). She was asking if I was Pride, which made me think it was a trap, so I claimed to be lust and that I was starting an orgy/cult and needed to recruit other sins to win. She didn't believe me, and sent me a screenshot of her rolecard (she is lust). I found a way to backpedal, and said I was gluttony and that my own sins are not enough to satisfy me, so I think I convinced her that my cult was real, and that I just needed to find 3 other sins. She told me she knew who Greed was, and I spent the rest of the time trying to figure out who Greed was, but I could tell she didn't fully trust me (she asked me to share my role card and I didn't, so yeah...) I think I did a good job of being like "well, at EoD you'll have the option to join my cult. After you're the same alignment as me, I will full-share. Until then, there is not really any incentive to share anything since you could possibly screw me over." and I told her that telling me who greed was could wait until night when she was recruited, which I think allowed me to fish for hints for a bit longer, since I could ask her about her reads to get clues.

That's really cool. I missed your cool gambits and mech plays. So it seems like Dennis wasn't really outed, then why did he just give up alongside Kate? And would he even know about all this? Yes things looked bad for him but not completely impossible.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:29 am like obviously it's preferable to killing town but

what if killing sins is like entirely not beneficial, or worse yet helps John Doe?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:46 am I dunno I'm just mad sus about why they both went belly up and Kate immediately started just complimenting Seanzie. Neither give a single shit about being caught. Why?

I thought it was too easy too especially with Dennis. Afaik Kate and Dennis didn't know for sure Seanzie wasn't a sin.

Not only that, but it felt too easy that Seanzie caught Kate and Dennis in the first place. Sean said Kate basically admitted to being lust and told him who greed was. That seems like careless BTSC even if you do think Sean is a sin. Even if you out yourself, why out someone else?

I still think we get a lot of info from flipping a sin and hopefully we get to see into what their win condition and abilities are. I also don't think the game would punish us for killing a sin. That sounds really harsh and it sounds like too unusual game design to punish us for getting it right.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:35 pm Kate, since yer busted, why not try and do some good for the Town and help solve?

You wouldn't know if it's her real solving or not lol. It would be fun to try and figure out if it's real or BS, so why not.

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 8:53 pm This is what happened.

I woke up at fuck oclock and saw a ping to sub my action. 3am taking a piss Mac subbed Kate and went back to sleep.

I wanted to track someone who otherwise doesn't self resolve and had the potential to be a deep wolf. That's all. Thank me by sussing me tho that'll help lol.
Don't get me wrong, you're playing fine but seanzie single handedly got me.

Kate is addressing Mac as if he’s town and my gut says she’s really admitting defeat to him since she treated Seanzie the same way. Kate believes Mac is town.

From the info Seanzie outed I’d guess Kate wasn’t informed since she has a choice to be solo, so I don’t think her being outed necessarily says anything about the alignment of her pushes.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 8:54 pm Thunal is playing like John Doe and is my prime suspect for John Doe.

Me being John Doe makes no sense. I’m never afraid of Doom’s “suspicion” on literally 6 people for being on the later 10 person Porscha wagon. If you think I’m bad then read my ISO because I really think you can find me as town.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:59 pm Tutu, Mac, Rondo, Jack, Roxy, Thunal

these voters arent sketch at all

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 8:57 pm
Thunal is playing clean and I won't be able to prosecute her beyond feels bad but I just want her solved by mech or something.

Honestly, I'm fine with this. I'd rather be confirmed town and hopefully turn around my solve and catch baddies than have people be paranoid of me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 8:04 pm I don't trust Thunal either fwiw.

I wasn't going to vote Kate after that post until Sean outed the mech, and that wasn't even meant to be an argument for voting her. I was going to ISO and reconsider her and then come to a conclusion. Tbh I think I'm obvious town just from my solving. I don't come out of the gate pushing you if I'm bad, I don't reconsider and reevaluate this many times, and I don't keep going when as a baddie I'd have no reason not to shut up because I'm universally townread and literally have a post restriction. Behind the scenes I don't think of the fact that I'm often wrong on Dizzy when I catch him early and make that connection to you. My play makes it obvious not just that I'm solving the game, but that I care about solving the game.

Nice, I do trust Sean's mech but I am a little bit annoyed that I partly sheeped Kate. I want to solve this game well.
[VOTE: Kate] aubergine
Here's what I had written up incase it's still relevant:

I saw Mac's claim and I believe it. Here's Kate on Dennis d1:

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:30 pm Also I'd civ!Dennis doesn't show up soon, we might want to consider that town!Dennis doesn't exist.

@Dennis come hither, young child.

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:59 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:17 pm

Have you said my name this game yet
Yup.

vs D2:

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:36 pm

Low posting tentative Dennis is bad.

Jolly joker Dennis is good.

He vacilating. His posts sound like him, as if youre talking to him which is good but they are less frequent than usual. He deserves an eye at the very least.

@dennis come forth to be judged.

I find it odd that Kate still doesn't have a read on Dennis after the visit. In a Kate town world I don't think Kate's action was protective, and she'd probably choose a different target like Tutuu if it negatively affected the target (like a roleblock) so if Kate is town her action on Dennis would likely be investigative. It's possible this action failed (and here I stopped to look at the thread, but I was going to say if it succeeded I think Kate would have some read on Dennis)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:33 pm I think Kate and Dennis have w/w equity

I'm curious and I assume you mean both know the other's identity. That would probably mean someone was converted, if this is the case who do you think it was? I was considering voting Dennis instead of Wilgy because I thought his whole attitude was not really caring about finding wolves and that his takes were a bit too safe but I thought he made some decent observations like saying you forcing your reads d1 was towny. Kate hit some town points for me d1 like her whole headstrong push on tutuu and then struggling with whether to vote her since she'd feel bad if she were wrong.

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:01 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:25 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Rn this is my best guess.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 1:19 pm
While I agree. This is a TMI pocket attempt.
I looked at this post a lot and in addition to the possibilities of Wilgy being scum with TMI or it being a fake derp, Wilgy could also be 3p who didn't know that there was only one wolf in the game and thought wolves would have TMI.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:20 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:54 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:49 am Wolfy 4th vote on Tutuu.

Have a nice day.
ah okay here, let me help you make this kind of post NAI for you

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine
Does Pyxxy legitimately think that voting me would suddenly turn a post that should be NAI to a post that should be NAI? How does your voting me ACTUALLY make a difference here?

I wasn't giving you anything AI in the first place.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:05 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:26 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:22 am Ah, a 22 day game 1 and it's not champs...

Can either a 3p or a townie give me a tldr? Wolves stay quiet, I want no misinformation from you.
Tutuu is sus, Dennis is stiff as a board, Epi seems towny, Dubz seems towny, Kate seems towny, Thunal seems towny
Thank you. Can you express the gist of Mac as well?
These quotes are here as examples of how Wilgy sort of has these disconnected thoughts and doesn't follow up on anything. So far his posts feel like trying to look busy rather than solving.
I generally think being disconnected on an island is town indicative do you not?

It's not about being disconnected on an island, it's about his thoughts being disconnected from each other like he doesn't have much interest in following up on the previous thoughts. Kate was there first which is what drew my attention to Wilgy and I definitely give weight to Kate's reads and think she's town.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Rn this is my best guess.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 1:19 pm
While I agree. This is a TMI pocket attempt.

I looked at this post a lot and in addition to the possibilities of Wilgy being scum with TMI or it being a fake derp, Wilgy could also be 3p who didn't know that there was only one wolf in the game and thought wolves would have TMI.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:20 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:54 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:49 am Wolfy 4th vote on Tutuu.

Have a nice day.
ah okay here, let me help you make this kind of post NAI for you

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine
Does Pyxxy legitimately think that voting me would suddenly turn a post that should be NAI to a post that should be NAI? How does your voting me ACTUALLY make a difference here?

I wasn't giving you anything AI in the first place.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:05 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:26 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:22 am Ah, a 22 day game 1 and it's not champs...

Can either a 3p or a townie give me a tldr? Wolves stay quiet, I want no misinformation from you.
Tutuu is sus, Dennis is stiff as a board, Epi seems towny, Dubz seems towny, Kate seems towny, Thunal seems towny
Thank you. Can you express the gist of Mac as well?

These quotes are here as examples of how Wilgy sort of has these disconnected thoughts and doesn't follow up on anything. So far his posts feel like trying to look busy rather than solving.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:16 pm
So basically your argument that I'm mafia is that I'm not?

I've already said my argument that you're mafia a couple times today but I'm doubting it now and changed my mind since the post you initially responded to. I remembered that I'm always wrong when I try to catch Dizzy early game and the connection between that and scumreading you early game made me question if you'd be so level 1 as scum knowing your play.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:57 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:20 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:06 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:52 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 8:34 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:42 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 9:14 am Epi civ, Thunal sin, Mac virtue, tutuu massive sinner, DOOM virtue, zenon leaning sin, Kate the one scum, Dubz leaning sin, Scotty leaning host

ttyl
Kate mafia? How come? @pyxxy
wanted to see her react to me saying it

still very cautious doesn't really line up with the Kate that solved Sumemr Sh*t by N2 and died for it

I think she's a sin
Do you still think this? She had clearly delineated reasons for that amazing call out she did in Summer Shit, there was a bit of a baddie panic in real time that she was in the thread for that gave her that. There isn't anything even remotely like that here; while I guess she could be a sin, her game as Lost Wolf in Scooby Doo I think it was, was impressive, and I think (could be wrong) that the Purples are perhaps similar to lost wolves, comparing her to a game where there was (at least on Day One, not sure if that is still the case, would Scotty even tell us if a bad team forms?) is pretty unfair, don't you think?

I'm just catching up to you, so if you went into more detail after this point, sorry, I'm not there yet.
I appreciate this read, it's very fair and unbiased. I have thought to myself about 1000x that I'll be punished for quite some time for having a few good games. I'll be lynched if I'm "off" and nk'd if I'm active. I'm trusting my gut a lot less her than I have been lately because the stuff I used to sus people isn't happening her. The last game for instance, the sdn'rs defended hard and that's where that solve came from. That just isn't gonna happen here.

I'm also petrified bc the person I want to vote the most is wilgy and I was massively wrong on him before.
I've been feeling the same way about this game. Even though there are 8 non-town I've had a hard time finding scumreads. Even Mac is a somewhat low confidence scumread for me.

@Seanzie what's your read on me? I thought you'd have one by this point.
I was the towniest player on day 1 and it's not even close. My effort to solve outstripped everyone's several fold. So I'm being pushed for:

Suspecting Michelle who has yet to flip.
Miselimmimg Porscha.
Seemingly some suspicion is also coming my way for trying to push Rondo and Epi as potential Doom killers.

Firstly

What wolf proactively miselims a townie they proclaim to have a godread on in a way that generates nearly half the playerlist sheeping? Anyone familiar with my wolf play would know that I am not that player. Anyone familiar with my town play knows that persuading half the game to kill a town day 1 is squarely in my town range. So let's assume I as mafia or nefarious 3p decided in this of all games that making myself the largest possible target immediately was optimal wolf play...

I clearly believed my case or nobody would have been persuaded by it. I wouldn't have bothered making a case persuasive enough because what is the net benefit? Why do I double down on Porscha when others are telling me not to? Why even sus her to begin with when she omgusses me and easy to pocket by townreading her? To get her over? Why do I care about any specific player? If I needed a miselim in this game I just need to live. I'm at best independent at least on day 1. Survival is all that matters. Do you really think I need to create a miselim? Tutuu, Doom and more all appeared as wagons... I would have no idea of their alignment so why would I even fight their chops?

Nanook's assessment here is egregious for exactly him. I don't blame anyone else for misreading me. But if my sin is getting wrongly convinced I found a wolf on day 1 and getting them over then I'm guilty. Now tell me since when is mafia as simple as flipping the person who miselims the town day 1?

If you were solo mafia in this game on day 1. Or one of the 3ps. What would your day 1 play be? To pick the player people are most likely to scumread you for pushing and then build a case good enough to kill them so you can get the blame? Is that what you'd do?

I think your Porscha read and case was genuine regardless of your alignment. I'm not debating that. But scum can genuinely solve too, and while you did have towny posts (one example is you talking about probability and having a back and forth with Zenon about getting the level 1 wolfy slots out) I don't think you having towny posts means you're town because it's you and you can fake a lot. Tbh I don't think I'll end the day with my vote on you and why it's still on you is because I'm looking through the rest of my PoE to find someone I'm confident in voting and I haven't gotten there yet.

I thought about the level 1 vs not level 1 thing I mentioned earlier and ultimately I'm not confident you're scum because no offense but if you're scum you aren't playing well. Your plan would be to start by openwolfing, get early heat and respond by pushing slots known for OMGUS, then spearhead a risky d1 elimination to hit what you think is a scum but would be a huge negative if she weren't.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:24 pm im just praying that mac is scum coz thats the only universe where town has a chance to win imo (i still townread him ftr)

if he's town and he's getting mischopped by mostly other town here - i just dont see how we're winning this boys and girls

Can you give me the rundown of why you townread Mac? I'm getting a little concerned my Mac read is like my experience with Dyslexicon. With Dizzy if I think I caught him early game, he's town. The level 1 is that Mac isn't town and I still stand by that he was forcing his d1 reads to happen quickly instead of letting them happen naturally. However I have doubts about Mac's play being level 1. If Mac is scum he wouldn't be playing to his usual level of play and he'd be failing at avoiding suspicion.

Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:10 pm
Isn’t omgus meaning still the same as it used to be? Like if someone suspects you, and you suspect them back solely because they suspected you first? I hesitated giving my impression of Zenon because she had listed me as a suspect once or twice. But my reaction to her day one actions weren’t because she had suspected me, they sort of came into focus after the night kill. And I’m not married to it, but I still don’t feel great about it.
How does omgus relate to being killed off?

Yeah it's the same meaning. I was prodding you because you were concerned about your push sounding like OMGUS and I thought that meant you were concerned about looking suspicious for OMGUSing. But it looks like you mean that you wanted the thread to know your push was for other reasons than OMGUS, which is different and imo townier.

Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:12 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:44 am @falcon45ca where are you today with your thoughts?

@Matahari what be your reads after the last elim?

@pyxxy what did you make of the NK on Doom? Does it affect your reads today?

@Dubz where are you at in your reads today?

@Dennis do you have a rainbow or reads list yet?
I would say that I don’t want to say because it would sound like omgus. But maybe I should discuss it so I can get some feedback. I am thinking that Zenon did some very strange things yesterday. She made such a fuss in the thread about Portia and Tutuu being town and then at the last minute let Mac persuade her to vote Portia. She also made a fuss about my vote for Doom. Then Portia dies, followed by Doom. Idk, but it feels like a sham. Like Zenon pre-cleared herself from any wrongdoing, and who would suspect her after she was so vocal about trusting them? It just feels really ick to me.
And speaking of Portia, her role had a 1x day kill, I’m surprised she didn’t use it before she was miselimmed. I sure would have, she must be a lot nicer than I am.
I still trust most of the people I listed yesterday, but I’m wondering why people don’t trust Dennis. I’ve never played in one of his wolf games, so I don’t have anything to compare. But I haven’t seen anything that catches my eye yet, where he is concerned.

Why would you care if it sounded like omgus, especially if you were willing to sacrifice yourself before?

Anyway, here's where my head is at:
Town:
Michelle
Zenon
Kate
SVS
Dubz

Townlean:
Falcon
Tutuu
Epi
Roxy
Nanook

PoE:
pyxxy
Rondo
Sean
Jack
Dennis
Matahari
Wilgy
Mac

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:06 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:52 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 8:34 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:42 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 9:14 am Epi civ, Thunal sin, Mac virtue, tutuu massive sinner, DOOM virtue, zenon leaning sin, Kate the one scum, Dubz leaning sin, Scotty leaning host

ttyl
Kate mafia? How come? @pyxxy
wanted to see her react to me saying it

still very cautious doesn't really line up with the Kate that solved Sumemr Sh*t by N2 and died for it

I think she's a sin
Do you still think this? She had clearly delineated reasons for that amazing call out she did in Summer Shit, there was a bit of a baddie panic in real time that she was in the thread for that gave her that. There isn't anything even remotely like that here; while I guess she could be a sin, her game as Lost Wolf in Scooby Doo I think it was, was impressive, and I think (could be wrong) that the Purples are perhaps similar to lost wolves, comparing her to a game where there was (at least on Day One, not sure if that is still the case, would Scotty even tell us if a bad team forms?) is pretty unfair, don't you think?

I'm just catching up to you, so if you went into more detail after this point, sorry, I'm not there yet.
I appreciate this read, it's very fair and unbiased. I have thought to myself about 1000x that I'll be punished for quite some time for having a few good games. I'll be lynched if I'm "off" and nk'd if I'm active. I'm trusting my gut a lot less her than I have been lately because the stuff I used to sus people isn't happening her. The last game for instance, the sdn'rs defended hard and that's where that solve came from. That just isn't gonna happen here.

I'm also petrified bc the person I want to vote the most is wilgy and I was massively wrong on him before.

I've been feeling the same way about this game. Even though there are 8 non-town I've had a hard time finding scumreads. Even Mac is a somewhat low confidence scumread for me.

@Seanzie what's your read on me? I thought you'd have one by this point.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:31 am Morning! Congrats for pushing the town cop Mac, and in general showing no real solve itg and receiving town reads for that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:17 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:04 pm ngl how Doom has been treating me all game I am probably never going to come around to them being town
if we are looking for someone who found Doom's presence problematic try this on
DOOM's pushes weren't strong enough to become problematic for a player like Rondo.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:18 pm I also found Rondo generally unusual and wolfy d1 fwiw.
Tell me who plays like usual in this game. These level zero reasons make little sense to me and allow you to push everyone. How is this scumhunting?

Honestly I'm not sold on the Rondo push either. I keep getting the feeling Mac is trying to force his reads through rather than letting them happen. I've had a few town games where I've done the same but I think it makes him more likely non-town who needed to think of *something* or risk suspicion.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:31 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:30 pm
Spoiler: show
...

[VOTE: Matahari ] aubergine

I agree with this push.
Noted how Mac ignored it

He said something about solving Matahari but I was surprised he didn't go for it and went for Rondo instead.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:31 am I'll tell you how your push on me went.
Naked vote
Put me lowest in reads list
No real reason
High confidence all time
Backtracking when the wagon vanished
It's not like you didn't give me space to breath, no, but you didn't care about my alignament at all.
About Porscha, yes, your push was exactly suffocating her. Shrugging at people sheeping you is nagl

Honestly it feels really good to have you agreeing with that push. It's hard to argue with Mac when he calls my arguments nonsense and BS, and it's easy for him to make me doubt because he can argue well and has a strong personality.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:31 am Do you think mafia would post restrict you when your D1 was mainly all caps and disrupting the thread flow?
I take the action to restrict you as the towniest itg

ngl the thought of a townie post restricting tutuu because they didn't want the constant posting and caps was something I didn't think of and it's funny. I do think the ability to postcap someone especially with a vaguely threatening note is inherently evil though.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:31 am I think Zenon is town and tutuu a sin
What's your read for them?

I still think there are a couple things in Tutuu's EoD that make her more likely town. The biggest is the appeal to Kate's accuracy. If tutuu were 3p/wolf I think she'd be unlikely to think of "my town flip might make Kate doubt her accuracy" in the first place, and her later reaction to Kate feeling bad about pushing her makes me think it wasn't an intentional appeal.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:44 am

Zenon
Kate
Macdougall
DrWilgy
falcon45ca
jackofhearts2005
Michelle
Dubz
Thunal33
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

This

I'd take Mac and Wilgy off but other than that good list.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 1:26 am Recruitment game.

Zenon and tutuu following MacDougall on Rondo.

You all do what you want with that.

Zenon is the more unusual one imo because of how much she felt bad following Mac onto Porscha. @Zenon why follow Mac again?

About Epi roleplaying as the sins, I don’t know how he had a posting restriction day 1. I don’t think that makes him evil though since nobody picked up on his roleplay so why would he out it in the first place if he’s evil?

I’m really liking SVS so far. I think her posts are sort of from an outsider perspective in a good way and I think her attention to detail is towny. She’s also pretty different from her wolf game in GoC from what I remember.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 8:32 am
Here she was saying that she did not find Michelle's posts baddie this game. Waiting on "whoever" to clear Porscha for her. Was wide open to hearing from others.

Like this to you specifically:

Matahari wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:31 pm
Thank you for that. I’m not familiar with anyone’s meta, so I appreciate comments like this, it will help me to get to know Doom better.
She is wide open and engaging. What more do you want from a townie? 1000 posts? Not everyone can do a lot of posts bc they do not have time or it is just not their style. You can blatantly see the town in these posts if ya care to take the actual time to read her 5 posts. lol

Honestly I found that same post suspicious because it felt like she was trying to back off Doom too easily.

However I reread her stuff today and I think her initial push onto Doom (reading into that Doom said she tried to look bad) was somewhat towny.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:33 pm how did I not give Michelle breathing room?

how did I not give Porscha breathing room?

what are you even talking about?

I have scumread
I explain it

With Michelle I did nothing at all that looked like not giving her breathing room

With Porscha I made a case and then left the thread entirely

9 people followed it

What is it that I should have done instead if I have a reason for suspecting someone?

With Porscha it was about you trying to convince everyone to get on her and get her eliminated with things like saying she's naked mafia and her not having posts outside her wolf range when she is sometimes a slow starter. I know I tried a similar push on Porscha a couple games ago (solar system) as a wolf so I know that she can be easily pushable for "not being obvious town". Breathing room might not be the right word for it but it was what I thought of. As far as Michelle, it was with how few posts she had for you to make a fairly confident wolf read on her despite her saying she was busy irl at the time.

My fear is that you called both of them not town with high confidence and did a lot to convince others when both Michelle and Porscha are players that sometimes take awhile to get started. I'm cooling on you somewhat after rereading your post about probability since there's definitely a town Mac explanation for both pushes as well and they were likely genuine regardless of alignment. My suspicion is that you'd be more hasty with the pushes as non-town.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:16 pm Rondo is the other slot who would have a tangible reason to kill Doom based on day 1.
Yeah i had the same thought and hes scum regardless imo

Wait i forgot im supposed to not post a lot. Ok ill post .. no more than 50 times today

Unless im poe - then i can post a lot and maybe that kills me if u guys want me dead i still dunno if im poe or towncore or what lmao

You can be my guinea pig lol. You seem not dead so I'll say I can post at least as many times as you.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:53 pm Earlier, I was made to post in ways that alluded to the seven deadly sins.

If you will notice, my first post was lust, my second (to S~V~S) was envy, etc.

Hope I didn't offend anyone. I am free to post normally.

My probable post limit is so hard since I have so many things to say.

To Epi: I'm just laughing at this because I did get a little frustrated about the draft posts and I can't believe I never thought of it. No hard feelings, I think it's funny now.

To explain my Mac argument, I think Mac did scumread Porscha. I also think there's a pattern of Mac not giving his suspects breathing room, first with Michelle and then with Porscha. I think the degree of confidence in the Porscha push was misplaced since both me and him know that Porscha has taken awhile to show herself as town sometimes. I get the sense that he was trying to force his reads to happen soon to try to be the town hero, rather than letting his reads happen naturally and actually being a hero. Do I think this necessarily makes him a scum? No, but I think it increases the chances.

Also my Falcon townread that I felt so proud of might not be as good as I thought it was. That same towntell of being paranoid about semi-unrelated things just failed me when I used it on Wiml in his champs game that prematurely ended. It's not out of the question to think Falcon, as a 3p/wolf, happened to notice Tutuu's picture didn't match her description and tried to make a read off it. I still townlean Falcon for his general approach and that he appears unconcerned with how he's perceived.

About the Doom kill, it is weird but I think a weird kill is more likely than redirection. There was probably 1 mafia in the game n1 and ime when 1 mafia is in charge wtf kills are more common. As far as who would do it, if I had to guess it would be Matahari. Doom mainly suspected her voters and Porscha voters but I think people who are present would know that Doom doesn't have any thread pull. Matahari might go "oh, Doom called me out, she could be a threat". I'm looking at her ISO rn and she seems too agreeable, specifically her backing off Doom when Zenon said she was town which is also another point of paranoia for me. From Matahari's limited POV, Doom both suspected her and was extremely in her town meta and so would make sense as an NK.

I think I'd rather go here.

[VOTE: Matahari ] aubergine

I got a note last night that said "It will be wise to not talk much today." I'm worried if I reach an unknown post or word count I'll die so I'll work behind the scenes. I think those were t/t wagons and I think Mac is pushing people who are easy instead of caring if it's right.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

I think I will stay on Porscha. Tutuu had some town pings and while Porscha isn't wolfy I don't think she's been townie either.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:00 pm oh yeah final final msg pls dont cfd i dont think its good. i mean i know im town and there might be a chance we hit a non-town but... porscha's wagon is lowkey cfd she didnt have a chance to respond. very few people are here (noone is here who is a wagon contender). so like, ... if we cfd to someone last second, they flip town, this will be torment for me tomorrow lol, it will just be a lot of distraction coz ppl will still be scumreading me and a lot of ppl are like "i dont wanna solve further until my scumread flips" and it just slows down the game. i think its cool if i flip here and tomorrow u guys evaluate and the ppl who are getting pushed ought to get a chance to respond. coz like, ... ive had all the time in the world to respond to my accusators, it didn't sway them, so if i dont get chopped i think i just slow down the game and it hurts town

What changed? @tutuu

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:54 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:53 pm Ugh now I'm wondering why tutuu didn't really defend herself against the points I made.
which points?

Like how little attention and time you spent reading Kate and how you didn't read into Mac's emotion.

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