The Syndicate

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 11:21 pm Not gonna lie. I suffered in the spec chat. Even got mad at Urist a couple of times.

This was a tough game and a tough set up.

Thanks @Michelle for playing along with the bus. Thank you @falcon45ca and @Urist for trusting me with managing the kills. Thank you all for not clipping my wings.

Urist we could have won night 3! Next time, just trust me! Lol

Well done carrying us to victory! I cant say “i never doubted you” because i did at times yes, but im happy you proved me wrong.

Thank you members of the town! And thank you hosts for hosting the game.

Thank you for the host @dunya

Family emergency IRL, I won't be around today.

Nook, just shoot whoever you think is scum

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 11:43 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:09 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:56 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:08 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:39 pm Falcon Wolf. 100%.
Wilgy Wolf. 100%

(I actually have no read on you but i wanted you to see how unhelpful reads like this are unhelpful).

Why is Falcon a wolf, sell me on it.
Meta. This game. Lack of force. No presence. Read ISO.
This game has largely been a speed run, and as I'm not a high volume poster by nature, it's been harder to get into my groove.

This just reads like an opportunistic wolf trying to leverage a less aggressive town slot into a ML

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine
Normal. Strong opinions. Question based hunting. Confident reads. Finds patterns.

This. Lack of force. No movement. Solving more absent.

No movement is a false narrative, and as I've mentioned already the speed run aspect of this game is affecting my typical solve approach.

What about my opinions this game feels weak to you? Cuz your read on me is as contrived as your posting gimmick

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:56 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:08 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:39 pm Falcon Wolf. 100%.
Wilgy Wolf. 100%

(I actually have no read on you but i wanted you to see how unhelpful reads like this are unhelpful).

Why is Falcon a wolf, sell me on it.
Meta. This game. Lack of force. No presence. Read ISO.

This game has largely been a speed run, and as I'm not a high volume poster by nature, it's been harder to get into my groove.

This just reads like an opportunistic wolf trying to leverage a less aggressive town slot into a ML

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:12 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:23 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:22 pm Okay. This kill surprises me.
Wolfy.
Falcon. Give me your top 3 scum, who you’d shoot today?

Space Daisy, Creature, Urist and Wilgy

I figure 4 is better than 3, and I feel there's at least 2 Maf in that POE

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:17 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME i'm pretty sure ddl & wilgy are town, so if you're right about spacedaisy then the scumteam is just guillotine, creature and falcon.

Can you explain why you're so sure DDL & Wilgy are town?

Seems everyone else is having trouble finding town, where does your confidence on them come from?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:08 pm Asking someone to restate their case (or even just link it) is not an onerous or unreasonable request tbh

Agreed

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:57 pm wtf are you on about falcon? I literally have said I don't see the point in me repeating a stance I have made clear throughout the entirety of three days and the person holding the shot doesn't agree with. I have said zero about any other interactions with anyone else. How am I stifling anyone? I'm not. In fact, the opposite, I've said that once I'm past my night of work, I intend to do some ISOs on others instead because I'm done taking about Creature.

Nook, as pointed out I have all of 40 posts, an ISO isn't difficult. And if you have questions aout my stance after that, you can ask me. I have no problem answering questions, but I am not going to go on about this one person anymore when you don't agree. If what I said before didn't sway your opinion I wouldn't expect repeating it ad nauseum would somehow make a difference. And I don't have more information than you, so if you don't believe it and you have the shot, whatever man. I can't control that. I'd rather do something else today.

I wasn't talking about interactions w/ others, I was talking about interactions with you and Nook.

You say you'll be around after work and do some ISOs. OK, I'll give you some space to hunt

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:22 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:14 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:12 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:03 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:01 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:00 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:59 pm

I very much doubt you're keeping stats on how accurate it is
Who the fuck does that
Someone that would then have the standing to say "this id a reliable tell" rather than it being as much nonsense as any other supposed tell
Bro if you don't wanna follow me it's up to you. I like this tell and I like to use it so I'll use it.
Ok. You see how this is useless to anyone not named ddl, yes?
You are not going to convince me to change my mind on Creature by telling me my logic doesn't appeal to people other than me.

I made my point, I think scum may act arrogant about town, if you don't think they do, stop using your precious posts on that subject.
ftr I am known as a very doomerist player. I once predicted town would lose in a mash when it was 34 v 3, besides being known for being very pessimistic and calling the game a loss whenever town started to get things wrong. So it's pretty common for me to complain about the gamestate especially when we're clearly losing here. tbh I am trying to complain less here because that isn't going to be helpful for alignment sorting when we need it the most rn.

It's still pretty discouraging when I am being wolfread by almost everybody and I am failing to have any solid read. I have you as a townread because I have the most reasons to townread you and I am way too tired to visit a world where you're wolf. Even if you're a wolf here, I suppose we can still find the other two wolves. But town needs to act up.

Hmmmmm...actually I ragged on you in GoC for being a "doomerist" and was wrong. I don't think it would be difficult to fake as Maf tho, but it's something I hadn't considered yet.

That last sentence tho...just feels gross. Like a heady mix of TMI/perspective slip/pocketing

[VOTE: space daisy] aubergine

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:52 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:34 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:23 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:12 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:09 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:38 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:35 pm

No, that was my intuition saying that.

Also, Space Daisy
Spacedaisy's case was like "creature is playing like textbook wolf but i don't tell you what the textbook wolf is" and "creature is posting hence wolf".
That was not my case, but whatever. I'm done talking about you. Nook has made it apparent he doesn't agree on you so I'm not wasting my time talking about someone I believe is wolf but will never be shot. I will instead be focusing on others today, probably doing some ISO's. But not tonight because I have to work my ass off tonight, fun times.
I'll shoot anyone if there's a good case for it, everyone is on the table today
You didn't agree with me before, I don't expect you to before, so I'm not wasting my time. You do what you think is best. I don't have extra information that you don't so if you don't see the same things I do, I don't care and I don't want to waste time talking about them more.

DDL's sudden flip on Creature is an unexpected change for no clear reason.
This is supremely unhelpful lol, by this logic I may as well just shoot at random
I don't see the point in repeating myself. I don't see why me not discussing Creature anymore since you don't agree, and instead looking at other people again is unhelpful.

The point is discussion. Even if you don't agree, it's about talking with each other and trying to develop our reads.

You've had less than 40 posts this game, so it's not as tho conversation has been exhausted. Why does it feel you're trying to stifle interactions?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:39 pm Falcon Wolf. 100%.

I can't even tell if you're scum pushing my slot or potato town.

What's your take on Space Daisy rn?

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:38 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:35 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:32 pm Did the rest of the wolves tell you to go hard on me today?
No, that was my intuition saying that.

Also, Space Daisy
Spacedaisy's case was like "creature is playing like textbook wolf but i don't tell you what the textbook wolf is" and "creature is posting hence wolf".

Oh, sorry that was an ambiguous post on my behalf.

What I mean to say is I'm sus of Space Daisy as well

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:39 pm Do I follow logic, the dumbest of dumb reads, or consensus?

Weigh in in the comments and don't forget to like and subscribe

Prolly a smidgey of all 3, with a dash of intuition

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:37 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:34 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:29 pm Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.
I like to think I'm open minded.

Tunneling scum is towny btw
but I'm not wolf so your apparent overconfidence on me looks staged af
Hmmmmm, gonna have to disagree with ya there and say this looks staged.

How is sus of your slot overconfidence?
It doesn't look like you have any reason to wolfread me. Instead, it looks like you're resorting to pressing the same key and using smug cowboy lines as if that's going to make your non-case compelling.

This kinda just reads like a wolf who's upset they're being SR when they think they've been playing a strong town game.

Also ignore the fact that I rarely make "good cases"

Let's pretend your POE isn't 50% OMGUS right now. Who else is in your POE besides Guillo?

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:35 pm From what I have right now:

Town:
Creature
Dragon D. Luffy
NANOOK

Null land:
DrWilgy
Spacedaisy
Urist

Wolves:
falcon
Guillotine

OMGUS

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:32 pm Did the rest of the wolves tell you to go hard on me today?

No, that was my intuition saying that.

Also, Space Daisy

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:31 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:29 pm Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.
I like to think I'm open minded.

Tunneling scum is towny btw
but I'm not wolf so your apparent overconfidence on me looks staged af

Hmmmmm, gonna have to disagree with ya there and say this looks staged.

How is sus of your slot overconfidence?

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:29 pm Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

I like to think I'm open minded.

Tunneling scum is towny btw

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:23 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:22 pm Okay. This kill surprises me.
Wolfy.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:24 pm I always found your RD 1 town read on me as pockety

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine
Not sure if I am fan of this entrance.

Funny, I have the same feelings about yours

I always found your RD 1 town read on me as pockety

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:22 pm Okay. This kill surprises me.

Wolfy.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:55 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:51 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:56 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:40 pm Why do I feel like people (aka scum) is avoiding hollowkat
threadspewed town baby
How ya figure that?

[VOTE: HK] aubergine
cause I'm not a runaway easy wagon to get on

I don't see what that has to do with the price of eggs in China

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:03 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:01 pm I haven't paid much attention to falcon after the truth meta thing tbh.

He doesn't look much different from last game, I think?
I feel unimpressed by falcon so far, but I'm unsure if that is strongly indicative.

I'm not an impressive person in generally speaking, so this read is accurate.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:56 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:40 pm Why do I feel like people (aka scum) is avoiding hollowkat
threadspewed town baby

How ya figure that?

[VOTE: HK] aubergine

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 11:41 pm Those Dizzy votes look really shady to me. Again, so not a shock. Dizzy is like the only person I fully trust right now. Those votes make zero sense.

How do you read Dizzy's vote on themselves?

You've mentioned Creature, what's your take on DDL? Do you have reads on players not on Dizzy's wagon?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:30 pm GTH scum team is hollowkat, daisy and dizzy. Maybe wilgy in place of one of them.

Undecided on Urist, I'm now entertaining the idea that mafia would at least make a more balanced act than whatever hes doing.

Talk to me about Daisy plz

What do you mean by a more balanced act re: Urist?

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:48 pm Okay. Maybe I need a second opinion on DrWilgy.

I thought he was his usual town self and wouldn't be wolfreading me as wolf, but I'm sorta afraid his posts are noticeably smaller than the Lost in Space Hustle game I played with him.

I have no idea how to read Wilgy, and I don't think I'm alone. Are his posts smaller this game in a sense of their individual content is slimmer, or just lower post volume?

How would you rate the quality of his posting vs Lost in Space?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:25 pm Also I told you guys Sig was in his classic town tinfoiling meta and nobody listened. People always yeet him because he says things they disagree with, even though that is NAI for him. Double meh.

tea

ehm

eye

Also, I don't get it...is it in his classic town tinfoil meta, or is it NAI? Cuz' it can't be both

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:13 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:59 pm My POE is Sig, SpaceDaisy, Wilgy & Marmot

These aren't just gut reads, but also involve the large & small intestine
Why Marmot? I see their name thrown plenty of times.

Pure gut. I'm not great at reading Marmot

My POE is Sig, SpaceDaisy, Wilgy & Marmot

These aren't just gut reads, but also involve the large & small intestine

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:16 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:12 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:09 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:54 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:47 am When I die please shoot Guillo because this push is fabricated bullshit on a very flimsy reason. DDLs reason isn't any better
Why are you going to die? Seems a bit overdramatic
I was going for emphasis there.
How do you read Creature, given how you feel about the others on your wagon?
I feel like it's super lame to say creature is a trash panda but creature is a trash panda

Do you have any SR's outside of those voting for you? Cuz' that's kinda lame

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:09 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:54 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:47 am When I die please shoot Guillo because this push is fabricated bullshit on a very flimsy reason. DDLs reason isn't any better
Why are you going to die? Seems a bit overdramatic
I was going for emphasis there.

How do you read Creature, given how you feel about the others on your wagon?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:05 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:03 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:01 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:54 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:47 am When I die please shoot Guillo because this push is fabricated bullshit on a very flimsy reason. DDLs reason isn't any better
Why are you going to die? Seems a bit overdramatic
I don't think Hallowkatt is going to die.
Are you buying HK's "woe is me"? I don't like it, comes across as a bit of desperate AtE
It's a good thing I don't care about your vote then...

You powerwolfin' bro?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:01 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:54 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:47 am When I die please shoot Guillo because this push is fabricated bullshit on a very flimsy reason. DDLs reason isn't any better
Why are you going to die? Seems a bit overdramatic
I don't think Hallowkatt is going to die.

Are you buying HK's "woe is me"? I don't like it, comes across as a bit of desperate AtE

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 9:58 am One can pretty much talk about mechanics yet recognize wolves' easiest thing to do is talk about mechanics.

This seems like fortune cookie wisdom...what are you actually trying to say here?

Also, where did your TR of me RD1 come from?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:47 am When I die please shoot Guillo because this push is fabricated bullshit on a very flimsy reason. DDLs reason isn't any better

Why are you going to die? Seems a bit overdramatic

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:57 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:56 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:54 pm I don't know how valuable night kill analysis is going to be - other than it's not a mechanically minded mafia team.
I don't do calculus. What makes you think this?
Explaining would be playing against my win condition.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:54 pm I don't know how valuable night kill analysis is going to be - other than it's not a mechanically minded mafia team.

I don't do calculus. What makes you think this?

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:11 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:53 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:22 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 1:14 pm I think DDL is most suspicious so far today, for his comments in regards to falcon. It very much reads like maf throwing out some early confirmed town reads.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine
fingersplints was mostly on DDL. If wolves bothered to ISO her then this might be a WIFOM kill.
DDL is 100 % town. I'd bet this and my three next games on it.
ok, so fingersplints was a dodge kill?
Looks very blatant if they killed her for suspecting DDL.

How do you read the MK?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:12 pm I would kill creature, Sig, or Falcon today probably.

Pocket accepted

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:19 pm I would kill mafia today as well tbh

This is a fresh take.

I like it

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:39 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:38 pm What do you all think about falcon btw?
Sketchy truth metas aside I feel nothing.

I don't like it much when I feel nothing about a player.

If you don't like it, then that means you feel something

And you're the sketchy one. Etch-a-skecth extraordinaire

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:38 pm What do you all think about falcon btw?

He's Town, I just checked his rolecard

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 12:45 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 12:41 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 11:03 am Alright so what we're doing is rolling 1d100, and if you get AT LEAST this high a number, you save Nanook:

Odd Nights
Code: Select all
# of Living Pandas   Save if you roll at least this number
10                   66
9                    63
8                    60
7                    55
6                    50
5                    45
4                    33
3                    25
2                    15
Even Nights
Code: Select all
# of Living Pandas   Save if you roll at least this number
9                    60
8                    55
7                    50
6                    45
5                    35
4                    25
3                    10
2                    1
Do we claim what we roll so we know who's on Nook? I'm not a big mech play guy
I think we shouldn't so wolves can't count how many saves we used.

Ah, good call

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 11:03 am Alright so what we're doing is rolling 1d100, and if you get AT LEAST this high a number, you save Nanook:

Odd Nights

Code: Select all

# of Living Pandas   Save if you roll at least this number
10                   66
9                    63
8                    60
7                    55
6                    50
5                    45
4                    33
3                    25
2                    15

Even Nights

Code: Select all

# of Living Pandas   Save if you roll at least this number
9                    60
8                    55
7                    50
6                    45
5                    35
4                    25
3                    10
2                    1

Do we claim what we roll so we know who's on Nook? I'm not a big mech play guy

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:55 am
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:52 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:36 am Would everyone be ok with pre-rolling their saves/no saves? What I mean by this is, privately roll & note down whether or not you're saving Nanook at each Panda count so that we can answer any how to questions during the day and nobody is stuck thinking about this at night.

Also, it allows people to start privately forming ideas of what they're going to do with their saves... We can even probably set objectives like "if you have more than 3 saves by day 3, you should use one randomly... Etc... That way we can communicate all of the mech during the day, all calculated - none revealed. Don't soft claim, don't hard claim.
what dice are we rolling?
I think this is fine, it's pretty much in line with the probability you came up with, but mine is a bit more conservative

Odd Nights
Panda % No Save % Save
10 0.666666667 0.333333333
9 0.633333333 0.366666667
8 0.6 0.4
7 0.55 0.45
6 0.5 0.5
5 0.45 0.55
4 0.35 0.65
3 0.25 0.75
2 0.15 0.85

Even Nights
Panda % No Save % Save
9 0.6 0.4
8 0.55 0.45
7 0.5 0.5
6 0.45 0.55
5 0.35 0.65
4 0.25 0.75
3 0.1 0.9
2 0 1

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:09 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:05 pm I'm gonna shoot at 24 hour mark every day, first person to complain about it or call it anti-town gets shot today
Not opposed to this. Waiting 48 hours for a flip feels unbearable.

Oh, Creature suckin up to Nook, eh?

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Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:39 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:38 pm I'd think we need min 3, possibly 4 players assigned to save Nook.

2 seems to easy for Maf to penetrate, but 3 should work I'd think
We're really fucked up if we choose three mafia as our trusty players.

We can rotate them each night. Using an RNG might be the best way to make it less likely Maf becoming the Nook Safety Team, which we can now refer to as the NST for convenience sake

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