The Syndicate

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:40 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:39 am
alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:38 am like my read on SPF in deck mafia was she was town because of NKA and you completely ignored it

i get that you don't like analyzing NKs esooa but i think you ignore it way too much when wolves pick night kills for a reason
I correctly wolf read people off nka that game myself

seriously stop
who? you absolutely did not

what a fucking joke lol

I'm going to leave

like wtf

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:38 am like my read on SPF in deck mafia was she was town because of NKA and you completely ignored it

i get that you don't like analyzing NKs esooa but i think you ignore it way too much when wolves pick night kills for a reason

I correctly wolf read people off nka that game myself

seriously stop

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:37 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:33 am Alison only makes sense as a nk specifically to make me look like shit. Her d1 reads were both town. She wasn't being a threat to the wolves. Which is why my first inclination was that her death spews Nanook/Esooa as always having one between them.

But you all can't get there because you don't have my alignment. Which against was why I just wanted to be flipped so you could see it.
yes and guess what

she's gonna revaluate the game with a flip

wolves don't want that
people very rarely re-evaluate after flips

this is

the most ridiculous post in the thread

@MacDougall here's probably where my frustration will be it's peak

I'm actually legitimately annoyed though

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:33 am Alison only makes sense as a nk specifically to make me look like shit. Her d1 reads were both town. She wasn't being a threat to the wolves. Which is why my first inclination was that her death spews Nanook/Esooa as always having one between them.

But you all can't get there because you don't have my alignment. Which against was why I just wanted to be flipped so you could see it.

yes and guess what

she's gonna revaluate the game with a flip

wolves don't want that

in a recent wolf game I actually night killed ender specifically because his reads were wrong

that wasn't the main reason but like

I wanted to kill him to make him leave an incorrect legacy before he got to it and solved the game

it's actually good sometimes that good players are wrong early lol

like it's not a frame kill it's just.. premptive

what game will wolves not want to kill Alison?

Almost always she's killed unless she's being hard scum read persistently

so like they just do it

Alexa you're basically being surprised about an early SPF or shady night kill cause they're wrong on their day 1 read

that's just like, not that important when factoring in the night 1 kill

doesn't matter if these players are wrong day 1. They will make your wolf game harder

also trying to NKA with one night kill and no scum flips isn't very easy, there's too many directions to take it

the best approach here is to say "Alison is good so I want to sheep her confirmed town reads"

but not any NKA imo

at least only in decent moderation

okay well I actually am the person who knows how this site works

but sure continue

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:21 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:20 am n1 nka when the kill was on the strongest player is zzz
She tunneled a villager who you defended all day one. She was far from the obvious nk

I am town and I predict who will die each night phase to see how accurate my thinking is and I predicted it was decently likely to be alison

wasn't hard

n1 nka when the kill was on the strongest player is zzz

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:15 am you can literally verify what I said by asking people. Alexa has zero benchmark for reading me. She appears to be defaulting to scumreading the three players she has the least meta of which is a pretty big clue that she's flailing in general and probably fallen into the pocket of someone who knows how to play around.

Esooa routinely reads me wrong.

Ender also has consistently misread me when he has been town against me.

Lime Coke played one game with me where I was town and he was wolf. He has no idea how to read me.

Wiml actually reads me okay tbh but he has limited exposure to my town game.

Alison has been fooled by me constantly lately and was entirely desperate to be right on Mac wolf here and tunneled me badly.

Nanook and TSP both have the most experience with me but of course yall won't sheep there because that's the POE.

eh

pretty sure I ended town reading you in scythe

I forget

syndikate I don't feel bad about my read on you at all

the mash I wolf read you

African birds was a really bad read by me but you also spent the game trying to pocket me and I was tilted af

not gonna care to think about more

fwiw one of the reasons I town read ender is I feel like he's just

being way too background for his wolf game

and I believe him

like I get the feeling he cares about what I say even though he's not tried to vocalize that much to buddy me. And he's mentioned one or two times in passing he's working on his non-partnered graph but it's just like. A thing he's doing to solve. Nothing more. I don't feel his voice in anything I've done has been opportunistic and I get his stuff re: wiml. I still think his thinking on "hey cool I town read transcend" into remembering "ah wait I got tilted into scum reading him" was really towny. Like if he had a read that's what he remembers but getting tilted into a scum read sometimes just happens and the fact he forgot it makes me think it was genuinely tilting into a scum read as it was a temporary emotional thing, which is why he didn't remember immediately.

I just feel a lot of general townyness from him

@EnderWiggin if you want some home work I'm interested in thoughts on Alexa. Like her ISO in general. I think my PoE of 4 does win the game but some extra assurance would be nice

Lime coke if you prefer

I'm gonna sleep soon so I won't be myself right now but I plan to

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:04 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:04 am @MacDougall are you proud I've been very calm this game
yes esooa much proud

wow ty dad

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:05 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:03 am the reason why is Alexa bringing up something from CoV made me realize she stopped quoting posts from other games to justify reads after I said it looked scummy showy lol but I'm probably dumb
No I didn’t quote anything because I’m on my phone right now and didn’t read the ISO?

nah that's not the point

@MacDougall are you proud I've been very calm this game

the reason why is Alexa bringing up something from CoV made me realize she stopped quoting posts from other games to justify reads after I said it looked scummy showy lol but I'm probably dumb

I am now worried I'm misclearing Alexa

meh probably not

I made

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:55 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:52 am I'm gonna feel pretty bad if I'm misreading wiml
but fuck mac right

I'm not confident enough in my read on you to feel bad I need a mistake in it

TSP I'm sad you didn't advance

that's probably not nice to say. Just was thinking and decided to post it lol

I'm gonna feel pretty bad if I'm misreading wiml

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:41 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:39 am Mac how could I get mad while listening to this>?

>Matryoshka.

Good taste.

I don't know the rest.

I'm not actually listening to that

I'm listening to this

Mac how could I get mad while listening to this>?

get fucked

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:36 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:34 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:32 am Esooa somehow playing a game with continual hostile town flare ups and remaining chill is crazy to me though. Until she joins the fuckfest I am still sus.
would you like me to start calling you names?
...

yes I would actually

I'm not feeling it right now

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:32 am Esooa somehow playing a game with continual hostile town flare ups and remaining chill is crazy to me though. Until she joins the fuckfest I am still sus.

would you like me to start calling you names?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:27 am but also lol at thinking that

if it helps u get through the day u can pretend I replaced you with Ender

the wolves are all in TSP/Nanook/Mac/Wiml

7-2

3 misses

4 person PoE wins

Time to pack it up

wiml why do you think Mac is a wolf

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:12 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:07 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:00 am Also kirsten dare me to make you townread me in just two bullet points?
you can try
- You know I have a personal wolf meta of actively attempting to pocket you as a wolf and that I'll lean into this very strongly in a game.

- You're scumreading me for not appeasing your meta read in the same way that I normally do and then going out of my way to say your meta townread is bad because my meta townread is better.

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:00 am Also kirsten dare me to make you townread me in just two bullet points?

you can try

I'm impressed Mac has the wim to do this but I believe this page makes Mac a wolf

I'm probably not changing my mind on my current reads baring some surprises

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:58 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:56 am I doubt Ender is a wolf, Mac.
if Wiml is town he is a lock wolf is what I said

And you called Wiml lock town

I doubt Ender is a wolf, Mac.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:45 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:14 am @MacDougall whart did you think of my wiml post
fabulous post

How confident are you that Wiml is a wolf?

I don't mean to push Wiml too much. I just think the questions I'm asking are important

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:42 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:34 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:08 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:02 pm I'm probably not budging on the transcend read tbh
I noticed what you said earlier and I think it's a pretty consistent trend throughout his posts.

My issue was that there was no cohesive progression. He was switching between saying that he thought LC was towntelling and then still tunneling him regardless? I really don't think the strength of the reads he expressed actually matched his actions at all and it reads to me more like poor handling of TMI that LC is town and feeling obliged to townread certain posts that LC made than genuine read progression.

I'm trusting your judgement for today though.
can u quote the thing from Transcend that made you think this
It wasn't one thing, he did it like 5 times.

It's hard to read long ISOs because of software issues on phone but it was like a trend of pushing LC -> oh wait he's towntelling -> back to pushing LC like the previous comment never happened and that happening numerous times.

Where was Transcend tunneling LC?

Also who do you think is most likely a wolf right now Wiml?

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:08 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:02 pm I'm probably not budging on the transcend read tbh
I noticed what you said earlier and I think it's a pretty consistent trend throughout his posts.

My issue was that there was no cohesive progression. He was switching between saying that he thought LC was towntelling and then still tunneling him regardless? I really don't think the strength of the reads he expressed actually matched his actions at all and it reads to me more like poor handling of TMI that LC is town and feeling obliged to townread certain posts that LC made than genuine read progression.

I'm trusting your judgement for today though.

can u quote the thing from Transcend that made you think this

I just don't believe you saw what I posted, which is an extremely towny way of reading LC, you read MCM, where he has nothing close to to that, you disagreed, then you read mountainado, and then you agreed with it. That doesn't make sense.

@MacDougall whart did you think of my wiml post

what did you not agree with in this post? What was left out that made you later change your mind?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:56 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:02 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:42 pm I actually don't have a single read yet.
eh bad post

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:05 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:21 pm Like, she hasn't really done anything that's her town game YET. If Alexa gets going she'll be obvious town.
bad

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:06 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:41 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:38 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:21 pm Like, she hasn't really done anything that's her town game YET. If Alexa gets going she'll be obvious town.
Everything I do is my town game because I’m town

(I also agree I don’t think I’ve done anything AI yet if someone had a correct read on me it would be surprising or a crapshoot from numbers/probability odds)
Yes, and everyone that is townreading you that's not me has TMI.

I will then tunnel those individuals, and then complain about them once they flip town and take 0 blame.

Then proceed to lead town into an L.
ok this is kinda towny

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:13 pm ok i'm caught up

idk who a good vote is

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:16 pm ilario
3
38%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, alexa, Lime Coke

meh?

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:16 pm brad why are you voting ilario

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:19 pm i think ilario/alexa might be tvt and someone on the scum team (ender, lime, nanook) is poking at them

couldn't tell u which

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:23 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:20 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:15 pm due to my ridiculously high scum flip ratio idek if i've played as town with either ilario or alexa so this would be my first time sorting them in a forum setting lol

i've specced games w/ both of them as scum and they usually make it p deep if not endgame
I've explained 1 thing about her meta, when she's going to certain people (Illario, Esooa to an extent this game) trying to get them to townread her it's typically in her town meta. She works extremely hard on getting townread early and then solves. People have called it LAMIST but that's just what she does.

She'll use her vote multiple times but it's gonna be hard to track with this site. She's been verbally saying her votes though so basically treat it like EM forum games.

There's a few other things. Like, I've found her as town quickly in numerous games. She's not a hard town to find.
while this is probably valid have u ever been tricked by wolf!alexa?

i feel like her games would be v difficult to distinguish because she has extremely high wim as either align

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:24 pm [VOTE: lime coke] aubergine

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:25 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:24 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:16 pm brad why are you voting ilario
Because Illario does whatever he can to NOT townread me when he and I are town. Even when I'm obvious as fuck town through a WHOLE game, he'll keep me at null and refuse to move me.
This game he started off with a townread on me. That actually caught me off guard and pinged me.
dis post is yucky

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:28 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:21 pm Like, she hasn't really done anything that's her town game YET. If Alexa gets going she'll be obvious town.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:20 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:15 pm due to my ridiculously high scum flip ratio idek if i've played as town with either ilario or alexa so this would be my first time sorting them in a forum setting lol

i've specced games w/ both of them as scum and they usually make it p deep if not endgame
I've explained 1 thing about her meta, when she's going to certain people (Illario, Esooa to an extent this game) trying to get them to townread her it's typically in her town meta. She works extremely hard on getting townread early and then solves. People have called it LAMIST but that's just what she does.

She'll use her vote multiple times but it's gonna be hard to track with this site. She's been verbally saying her votes though so basically treat it like EM forum games.

There's a few other things. Like, I've found her as town quickly in numerous games. She's not a hard town to find.
this was a rlly quick transition it almost feels unnatural
like just read over this

it's not bad it's towny

there's only one post relating to his LC read that I disagree with the read

I think LC is town but most the points here are valid

the process of having mixed reads on LC leaning wolf after catch-up>saying he doesn't know who to vote>exploring the wagon on his town read (illario) and disliking LCs play around it into voting him is good>actually going back to find posts to pull what he doesn't like feels like conviction/belief in the read I like

quote my post where I quoted Transcend's progression on LC and tell me what was bad about it

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:28 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:24 pm Wiml give me one good reason you are not voting Transcend.
Because this game is actually a significant improvement over both the wolf games of his I read today. His reads here aren't great but if you compare them to the other game where they're static and nonsensical (he's completary unable to explain read movements outside of vibes and etc) that I've started to come round to him being town.

this is basically exactly what I said and u came to agree so

Yeah

pretty sure my reasons weren't bad lol

so what's up

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