The Syndicate

I’m not blaming I’m just curious what would have happened.

Of Creature wouldn’t have suggested WimaI
We would have flipped a coin and one of Esooa/Nanook would have died.
Which Would have definitely changed things.

Well people would have thought that at least

Yeah would have been insta scum.

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:35 am @Urist hammered

I want you to know, I fought to make you death immune day 1 and you didn’t go over.

Vote Me!

Let’s hope you guys can figure this out in F3!

I’m still town but ok.

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:17 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:12 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:16 pm snap vote immediately, got it

If you do and we lose to Mac, I’ll blame you for the lost and probably PL you next game.

don't threaten me with a good time

Wait? You’d enjoy being PL’ed by me? Lol.

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:16 pm snap vote immediately, got it

If you do and we lose to Mac, I’ll blame you for the lost and probably PL you next game.

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:09 pm so let's hope he's the catch, gamers!!!

I’m not but if your town I hope you take your time and figure out if it really is deep wolf Mac or if it’s just Kami.

Depending on which of the 3 is scum.

Or Syn makes the correct choice*

Ah whatever as long as Kami promises not to insta vote Mac F3 in the case Syn is scum and Syn makes the correct choice I’m fine with dying today.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:37 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:51 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:48 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:40 pm

Deli wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:37 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:19 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:15 pm enough people have showed up

being confirmed town is fun

I'm the doctor and I protected wiml. I can self target/consecutive target so I have no real qualms with claiming rn

this is a lie

Esooa claims doctor, protected wiml. Given there was no death, this obviously has to be true. Why would it be a lie unless syn knows wiml wasn’t the target of the NK??

Wtf is going on

[VOTE: deli] aubergine

the fuck is this vote

Wait a second I just realized something.
If mafia did attack WimI and if mafia knew the only one that would protect them is Esooa and that happens to be the case, how would mafia go into the next day knowing this logic?
Honestly it may make sense to insta vote WimI to push their kill target and out Esooa.
I think HK could actually be Scum.

I tried reading Syn's ISO in a negative light as if he's mafia and the thing that looked the worst wasn't even a Syn post, but a Gavial post where he sorta TMI'd that esooa was the doctor and performed a successful check on Wiml, and made a push to yeet someone who had incredible town equity.

How did I TMI? I said “If”.

The best thing to do is settle the F3 but we need to do that without tunnel vision.

Kami wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:07 am i dont really care if you guys lynch me not game losing but you need to vote mac tomorrow.
The post of deli purposefully calling me v and him w will make it even more obvious they were w/w if u flip me anyways

If your town.
There’s no way we lynch scum today.
Marmot won’t vote Syn and probably won’t vote Mac from the looks of it.

Also I don’t remember you voting me Mac.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:21 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:16 am Honestly it’s probably better for me to deal with Mac in F3 if they are scum.
Better then Kami and them in F3.
@MacDougall
Can you explain why you didn’t read Syn the way you do now before. Like what stood out as Townie to them before and does it still apply now?

[VOTE: Kami] aubergine

What a strange mentality. What happens to dealing with me in f3 if I am town?

Sounds to me like you know that it's you or Kami today so you're just making shit up to get your vote where it needs to be.

I am reading Syn as probably town but I was confidently reading him town with preflip disassociatives with Marmot. He is more compatible with Creature than he was with Marmot so his clear is not as strong as I thought.

I'm not unvoting you today, this post is outing.

If you are town and Syn is scum, I’ll figure it out.
I look through everything and determine who the scum is within the two of you.
I can call my post outing if you want but I’m town here.

Honestly it’s probably better for me to deal with Mac in F3 if they are scum.
Better then Kami and them in F3.
@MacDougall
Can you explain why you didn’t read Syn the way you do now before. Like what stood out as Townie to them before and does it still apply now?

[VOTE: Kami] aubergine

Alright well if that’s the case I hope you guys find the last scum in the F3.
If you do want me to live then who’s going today.
Although the way I see it is like this.

If I die today Kami is always tunnelling Mac in F3 so if it’s Syn we lose.
If Syn dies today then I’ll be forced to choose between the two 1v1’er which I’d rather not have that over my chest.
If Mac dies today. Then it should be a more clear minded F3 same as if Kami dies.

Mac or Kami.
That’s who I’m voting today.
@Marmot
Give me one.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:21 pm Have you even read any of my posts today Mac? I'm literally confirmed town, but you're listening to the dead townies?

But don’t you want to lynch me too?

Mac could have thought they looked Townie after thus setup for night kill.
Or even maybe thought they were PR or something.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:48 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:19 pm It would also make sense because it felt Creature/Deli felt pretty comfortable dying.
Also the WimI save by Esooa. Didn’t Mac and WimI have major interactions day 1?

I don't think Creature was comfortable dying. Deli most definitely, (especially looking at Creature's bussing of him), but Creature I don't think so. If Creature was comfortable with it, I assume that means that he was likely being bussed. Mac was doing everything but bussing Creature.


Also, I don't know, did they have major interactions Day 1? What does that mean?

But I mean as I said before Deli’s JK claim on Mac could be a scum setup thus why creature was ok with dying because of confidence with Mac.
If Syn is their partner it works the same.
Kami on the other hand I’m conflicted on. Like why would creature be comfortable with Kami?

You even seen it marmot. You know how Mac and WimI treated each other day 1.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:23 pm I came into the day with my order of suspicion being Kami > Gavial > Mac > Syn, but now I suspect Gav pretty firmly over the other two.

I suppose I can understand why to an extent, but like do you honestly think I would do what I did as scum to Nanook?
I could have just went with the flow like Creature if I was scum but I didn’t, instead I pushed Nanook and even formed a case on them that you should remember.

I even shielded you against Mac’s push and comparing you with deli.
Like if Mac is scum it makes sense that Mac tried to make you and deli look aligned because then if you died before creature he would only need to ML 1 player instead of 2.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:02 pm Fwiw, Gavial did immediately accept the Nanook result before talking himself out of it and scumreading Nanook.

Yeah when I realized there was a possibility he could have been scum fake claiming and realize how Nanook would totally make that kind of move, I push it.
I was wrong. My bad.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:05 pm Kami surprised me with their vote for Creature yesterday, ngl. I do think Creature and his partner had a chance to push my yeet, so Kami not eventually doing that does have me scratching my head a little bit.

Well TBF, it was me talking about creature that made Kami vote them.

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:04 pm Esooa didn't say which of Kami and Gavial to go with

reeeeee

No, they came to the same team conclusion that Nanook did.
But that conclusion is wrong.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:20 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:13 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:20 pm I want to open up a creature deli and serve up some marmot

Marmot you say?
You haven’t mentioned them much why do you read them as scum or partners with creature/Deli?

This is also a notable post. Gavial asks Syn why he thinks I (confirmed town) are partnered with Creature/Deli (confirmed scum), especially considering Syn mentioned us all in the capacity in his sentence, and that Gavial opted to split the three people up based on their alignments.

It is true that Syn hadn't talked about me much to this point, but he hadn't talked about Creature either. Syn's ISO to this point had treated Creature and I essentially the same, though Gavial did not treat it this way.

“Serve up so Marmot”
That’s what caught me off guard to respond that way.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:36 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:16 pm Although if Mac is scum it makes sense why they would try and pull the 180 on Syn.

it makes zero sense actually

How?
As scum you would want more options for an ML.

It would also make sense because it felt Creature/Deli felt pretty comfortable dying.
Also the WimI save by Esooa. Didn’t Mac and WimI have major interactions day 1?

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:26 pm Gavial did a total 180 on Mac during D4, from considering him clear and me scummy to considering him the most likely partner

Gavial is the last wolf and knows Deli and Creature are going over

What is his route to victory?

Marmot
Syn
Mac
Kami
Gavial

The POE difference check is between Gavial/Kami. Gavial obviously does not want this. Chopping Mac would be ideal.

Marmot
Syn
Kami
Gavial

Marmot is the NK.

Syn
Kami
Gavial

F3, where Syn (hey, that's me) has been strongly suspecting Kami and ended D4 with considering Kami to be the last partner.

Yes because at the time I thought Deli spewed Mac town.
But Kami brought up a good point it could just be scum planning.

Although if Mac is scum it makes sense why they would try and pull the 180 on Syn.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:10 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:02 pm 5 players left. 1 of them are Ellendil.

I'm confirmed town at this point. Syn is most likely town due to spew.

That leaves someone among Kami, Gavial, and Mac.


We've got two chances, I like our odds here.

Reconsider this.

As much as I wanna say “It’s Syn and I was right day 1!”
I honestly just don’t see it now.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:05 pm Kami surprised me with their vote for Creature yesterday, ngl. I do think Creature and his partner had a chance to push my yeet, so Kami not eventually doing that does have me scratching my head a little bit.

Mac wanted to go with you and has been calling you and deli the team and voted you originally but then shifted to creature when majority of us figured out it was creature and not you.

Yeah I do think it might be Mac.
I’m gonna make (or try to make) a big boy case on them tomorrow!

I mean I’m the one literally taking votes away from Marmot.
And your voting creature with me so.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 3:20 am I'm pretty sure Kami is town

So what?
Do you think it’s me and creature?

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:18 am [VOTE: creature] aubergine

Thank You!

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:01 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:58 am

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:56 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:55 am It just makes way more sense for Creature to be scum then Marmot.

have you reread D3? I have

and I disagree strongly

What do you like about creature D3?

I liked that he was strongly resistant to the idea of sleeping or chopping Nanook, and immediately pinpointed Deli as the liar and the chop

Fair Enough.
Although I think he could have just given up on Deli.
And if it is somehow not Kami and actually Mac. Creature would technically not really care about Deli because Mac could probably win it on their own since they would only need to yeet Kami and Me to win.
It would also make sense for scum Mac to Town read you as hard as they have been if they planned on bringing you to MYLO/LYLO knowing you would vote with them instead of against them. Especially considering I still scum read you.
But the thing is I’d expect you to have done things differently if Creature/Deli were your buddies.
It made sense for you being partners with Nanook but not really Deli.
While I don’t remove the possibility I actually now think you are probably the least likely my probability to be the scum here.
I’d go either Kami or Mac (not sure yet) then You.
But that would also mean I’d have to bet the game on you being town which I’m not sure if I’m ready to do yet considering I’ve had a scum read on you for most of the game. Plus what you had to say about it D3 with that defence on Nanook it’s hard to see that coming from scum.
But I know it isn’t impossible so I’m trying to take everything here into consideration.

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:58 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:56 am

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:55 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:54 am

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:52 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:51 am

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:50 am

Because mac has been an obvious wolf all game, and you're defending him with lies so yes I'm going to focus on someone lying so obviously about what happened.

Can you quote an example of him being “obvious wolf”?

Naw I don't really make cases like that

Can you tell me like something he did that pinged you off to make you feel like he is “obvious wolf”?

Well if were just talking about this day in particular I'd say pushing so hard for a clear is pretty scummy when his vote didn't really matter.
And he seems like he's acting(poorly) when he tried to say the game was easy and won

Ah ok.
And what do you think about Deli claiming to JK them?

mac told her to do it tbh

So you think it was a plan tactic in scum chat?
Alright then what about the push on Mac that Deli strongly gave?
Do you also think that was a plan tactic in scum chat as well?

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:56 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:55 am It just makes way more sense for Creature to be scum then Marmot.

have you reread D3? I have

and I disagree strongly

What do you like about creature D3?

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:55 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:54 am

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:52 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:51 am

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:50 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:47 am

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:40 am Literally just cause of what esooa and some other person said.

Why are you trying to link me to creature so hard, and why are you sticking to your lies about deli's push?

I'm asking you because there's nothing in the thread that could have told me this. There is clearly a wolf between myself and Creature, so yes I am surprised that you haven't talked about this at all. I'm not accustomed to how you play the game, but I'm having trouble following your thought process.

I can stop interrogating you, but I'd encourage you to focus on myself/Creature first before you try to get Mac yeeted.

Because mac has been an obvious wolf all game, and you're defending him with lies so yes I'm going to focus on someone lying so obviously about what happened.

Can you quote an example of him being “obvious wolf”?

Naw I don't really make cases like that

Can you tell me like something he did that pinged you off to make you feel like he is “obvious wolf”?

Well if were just talking about this day in particular I'd say pushing so hard for a clear is pretty scummy when his vote didn't really matter.
And he seems like he's acting(poorly) when he tried to say the game was easy and won

Ah ok.
And what do you think about Deli claiming to JK them?

It just makes way more sense for Creature to be scum then Marmot.

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:54 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:52 am @Syn
@Kami
Have either of you even voted Marmot?
How about you vote Creature instead!

why would I put a wolf in range of hammer

Ftfy

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:52 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:51 am

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:50 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:47 am

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:40 am Literally just cause of what esooa and some other person said.

Why are you trying to link me to creature so hard, and why are you sticking to your lies about deli's push?

I'm asking you because there's nothing in the thread that could have told me this. There is clearly a wolf between myself and Creature, so yes I am surprised that you haven't talked about this at all. I'm not accustomed to how you play the game, but I'm having trouble following your thought process.

I can stop interrogating you, but I'd encourage you to focus on myself/Creature first before you try to get Mac yeeted.

Because mac has been an obvious wolf all game, and you're defending him with lies so yes I'm going to focus on someone lying so obviously about what happened.

Can you quote an example of him being “obvious wolf”?

Naw I don't really make cases like that

Can you tell me like something he did that pinged you off to make you feel like he is “obvious wolf”?

@Syn
@Kami
Have either of you even voted Marmot?
How about you vote Creature instead!

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:50 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:47 am

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:40 am Literally just cause of what esooa and some other person said.

Why are you trying to link me to creature so hard, and why are you sticking to your lies about deli's push?

I'm asking you because there's nothing in the thread that could have told me this. There is clearly a wolf between myself and Creature, so yes I am surprised that you haven't talked about this at all. I'm not accustomed to how you play the game, but I'm having trouble following your thought process.

I can stop interrogating you, but I'd encourage you to focus on myself/Creature first before you try to get Mac yeeted.

Because mac has been an obvious wolf all game, and you're defending him with lies so yes I'm going to focus on someone lying so obviously about what happened.

Can you quote an example of him being “obvious wolf”?

I also just think Marmot is town here.

Marmot is a Marmot.





I’ve wasted this post, for Marmot.

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:26 am It's 48 hour days, pushing at the start of the day is probably the best time to bus.
if she's pushing for a misslynch she doesn't try to kill the wagon while he's top wagon.
You're dishonest as fuck about what happened

Creature or Marmot?