The Syndicate

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/31261

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:57 am @ilario do you have any games I can read where you were a wolf and alexa was town?

sure,

but why didnt u ask it the other way around? just curious..

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:55 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:54 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:51 am So if you could have your way you'd have no problem with other town banking an Alexa town read on you being correct and just letting her skate otherwise?
Lol even if people did bank on the read alexa is the last person I’d expect to just skate by
Good question dodge. I am asking if you're happy for me to just sheep you on this read and ignore everything to the contrary and just blame you in post if she's a wolf and you are town?

100%

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:55 am For instance Wiml may have passed quantity markers but he has made no reads that I look at as being outside his wolf range.

Nanook has not passed any quantity markers but his reads have been more challenging to make than Wiml's reads have been.

i actually agree with this statement

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:51 am So if you could have your way you'd have no problem with other town banking an Alexa town read on you being correct and just letting her skate otherwise?

Lol even if people did bank on the read alexa is the last person I’d expect to just skate by

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:23 pm If i was going to score people based on the quantity and quality of their solving I would have Esooa and Ender at the top. Alexa and Ilario thereish. Maybe this is just how I need to read this game.

Has that method ever worked out much for you? Genuinely curious cos most games have a fair few scums looking more solvey than a good portion of town

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:32 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:15 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:53 am @Lime Coke @ilario @alexa @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Wiml @EnderWiggin @TonyStarkPrime @Esooa

if there was one player in the game you would say is most likely town and one who is most likely mafia who would they be? plz tag me in reply.
town-alexa

maf-this read changes every 12 hours for me, have u seen p#4489 from me? nobody noticed my post there
can you just make the read please?

probably nanook, his thing about the post-game stuff and his answers to u there were kinda towny but not enough for me to budge on him atm.

for reference u should read the bolded in p#4488 first

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:53 am @Lime Coke @ilario @alexa @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Wiml @EnderWiggin @TonyStarkPrime @Esooa

if there was one player in the game you would say is most likely town and one who is most likely mafia who would they be? plz tag me in reply.

town-alexa

maf-this read changes every 12 hours for me, have u seen p#4489 from me? nobody noticed my post there

“ You say I fell off but I kinda do that as town too?”

Am I misinterpreting something or is the wording there off?

But I kinda do that as town too?

.....Implying that he isn’t town right now?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:05 pm I WILL PUT MY RESPONSES IN GIANT BOLD LETTERS TO MAKE THIS EASIER TO READ!!!

Maybe not 200 font, but the 150 seems to work.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:06 am LC ISO:
Spoiler: show

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:42 pm I actually don't have a single read yet.
His first non-fluff is saying he doesn't have reads.

Then:
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:19 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:18 pm Whose gonna be your hard-shield this game LC?
You're voting them.
When questioned he puts this up to start shielding Alexa.

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I didn't actually townread Alexa at the time. However you asked the question, I was answering seeing that if I ended up townreading Alexa, which I did about an hour later, I would've hard shielded her like I usually do.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:23 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:20 pm But they were hedgy LC.
That's what's weird I don't really know what there is to hedge yet. Only thing is a townread on me from Mac before she stated that as far as I can see immediately.
Takes my joke super seriously. Sometimes it's a scumtell sometimes not.

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I have the "Take jokes seriously is scummy" policy myself, so I get where you're coming from on this.

But in my response, I didn't think that was a joke post. When you responded with "It was a joke" that was why I responded with "I'm a fucking idiot" because I indeed felt like an idiot and I broke my own rule due to a misunderstanding.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:41 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:38 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:21 pm Like, she hasn't really done anything that's her town game YET. If Alexa gets going she'll be obvious town.
Everything I do is my town game because I’m town

(I also agree I don’t think I’ve done anything AI yet if someone had a correct read on me it would be surprising or a crapshoot from numbers/probability odds)
Yes, and everyone that is townreading you that's not me has TMI.

I will then tunnel those individuals, and then complain about them once they flip town and take 0 blame.

Then proceed to lead town into an L.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:41 pm I don’t think he would like not out a read on me/be hesitant to read me if he was wolfing here, to me it sounds like town who is worried I’m wolf/worried he won’t be able to find me since he worries I’m not as obvious town as the previous times I was town (and I can see him wanting to be able to catch me if I’m wolf too) so I feel his approach me makes sense as a villager
This actually kinda hits it on the head and I'm townreading you now because of that explanation.

Spoiler: show
You gotta flip wolf against me eventually, though.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:49 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:47 pm LC is town, I agree.

If I'm wrong on this it'll be obvious by Day 3.
This is...fucking accurate and I've never actually said anything about this.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:49 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:47 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:08 pmmac town
I can’t figure out how to multiquote from my phone but pretend I quoted this quote and also you calling wiml town and then Mac wolf

And my response is .... are you going to explain anything?
You have the quote button, then to the right of that is the 2 word bubbles, that is collects for multi-quote.

@alexa
Then this string, which doesn't do a lot.

Focuses on the Alexa read, then helps mech.

Nothing too important.

Then some more non-interactions like:
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:57 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:55 pmI'm town
Are you?
And then outs a basic ass townread on me like:
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:01 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:59 pm kind of gut townreading EnderWiggin
Agreeing with you. The "I'll find him by Day 3" post was actually kinda bad ass and towny.

Has some early townreads and interactions, also has a hard-shield player.

He then spends a majority of the next posts defending Alexa from various sussing, then susses Ilario hard.

Then Alison causes a bit of sus to come LC's direction and he fends it off okay.

Just saw that I rate a 7/10 on Alison's scum game quality eval.

Just noting here that I actually feel like I can do better than that. I will either improve or prove that I'm worth of at least a 9/10 some time in the future. /ego

Then a bunch more fluff including great snark at me.

Then:
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:55 am I was eating popcorn.

Why does Nanook have a wagon?
Incidentally his first mention of Nanook all game.

A lot more fluff.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:32 am Okay but seriously.

Townreads:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Nanook
Illario (Sheeping Alexa)

That's all I have currently.
Then finally puts out a general townlist. This is fine.

Then plays HARD shield, which is normally a good look for LC.

THEN gets in a fight with Transcend.

THEN outs this reads list:
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:23 pm READLIIIIIIST:

Town:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Alison
Illario
Wiml
Mac
Nanook
TSP
Transcend
Maf:

The bottom 3 are more POE.
Which is just hilarious to me.

Then mostly fluff and directly joking with Alexa.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:11 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:06 pm Hi. What is your solve?
Transcend is 1, and the other is either Nanook or maybe TSP?

I don't know the stuff with Mac. Is Mac capable of making that many team solves at once as mafia?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:55 am if wiml is town then esooa/Alison/ilario/transcend contain wolves with ilario/esooa or ilario/Alison or transcend/Alison being the team

if Alison is town its wiml/transcend with esooa as swing

if transcend is town it's just wiml/ilario

if ilario is town wiml is always a wolf

if esooa is town it's wiml/transcend with Alison as swing
I'm talking this type of post, is there a world where Mac makes this post as mafia?
Then moves to this Mac read, this is a little nuanced compared to previous stuff I remember from his wolf game.

Then more fluff and defense of Alexa.

Actually gives solid thoughts on why Alexa is town, but this is not outside LC wolf range.

D2 he actually asks a few questions while continuing with the Alexa shield.

Starts to press Mac hard. Most of the rest of his game is aggro on LC

THIS IS WHERE THE FUN STARTS.

Time to cross-reference.

IN JOATED:
Plays very similar. Outs strong townread and defends. Aggros on some people. Offers some townreads. Generally gets quieter as the game goes.

I actually reckon LC is in his scum range.

In the little town exposure, I've seen him make reads where he explains the reasoning for his decisions, as if showing off the way he's mentally arrived at this thought.

In this game he has only outed townreads, with the only one he's properly explained is his Alexa shield.

This is exactly the same as in JOATED where he only outed reasons for shielding Honey.
Interestingly, I actually think LC's current play is more scum!Indicative of him than town.

Turns out I can change my mind.
Okay, there wasn't much that I could actually respond to? This was mostly commentary. I DON'T know how to respond to commentary.

You say I fell off but I kinda do that as town too? Like Illario said, I start off strong, usually Day 1 I play really well, but by Day 3 or 4 I lose energy, motivation, and interest depending on how well the game is going.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... f-the-Rift

Another town game I was on my alt Mystery Player, which is not a mystery anymore . I was strong all of Day 1, then Day 2 I hard defend Neo (NEO TOWN!) and go crazy with it (Again I'm trying to calm down), but my energy level went down further and further as the game went on because it was exhausting, and SaraC was annoying me.

I lose steam in games, this game specifically is draining me a bit. Like I said in games that I hard shield Alexa, or others, I end up losing game awareness and I forget most of my reads it's an awful ass habit.

I'll post this for now but I'm going to continue on, give me a few minutes.

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:05 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:49 pm I did not. but he discussed his wolf meta in the COV game and I was noting that as reliable? which is part of why i doubt he's a wolf here
"How to read TSP: a guide.

TSP is very easy to read. Mafia is a psychological game, and TSP’s mindset as a wolf and as a town is very different. As a wolf, TSP has a desire to be in control. He has studied his Machiavelli and will make every effort to push the game in the way he wishes it to go. But the main thing to think: power hungry.

TSP as town, on the other hand, has no wolfy desire for power. Town TSP has a desire to belong first and foremost. He wants people to recognize him and accept him into their towncores. He has a bit of a messiah complex. He also doesn’t necessarily feel the necessity to make friends, but prefers to avoid making enemies.

I’m slightly tipsy but this will make life easier for all of you in the future"

For reference

lmaoooo he doesnt really fit either of those this game, i dont sense a desire for power nor for acceptance/belonging.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:49 pm @alexa correct me if I am wrong but your read on LC isn't lock level is it?

@ilario same question?

Not lock level, I’ve been burnt too many times recently lock towning too many people, my only lock read is alexa and that’s only because we know each other very well and have seen each other’s town ranges and scum ranges extensively

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:40 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:35 am
these game are a better depictor of his town game.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/30377
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/31177 hes mystery player and also in a stacked lobby.

if you notice he just finds a few townreads and then just more or less trends downhill after that. if they get fossed he'll shield and if someone pushes them he'll vote them. other than that he doesnt go out of his way to fos people, you can see me pressure him for that in both games.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/31067

this is one scum game u linked, 5 posts into the game he feels compelled to make a sr, and the reasoning is " votes appletini-
Reads to me don't feel real and are just thrown together. She might not care because she's mafia."

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=11830862

the other scum game u linked, he again makes a sr based on lvl 0 reasoning "votes awesome 5000- Awesome is doing nothing game related."

if u notice when hes scum, he feels pressured to look like hes contributing and he feels obliged he has to fos someone. he will often do so, and do it very early for very weak reasonings. so yeah, in contrary to most players, outing a few trs early game hes confident in and then coasting is just how LC plays as town.
What about his Matt scumread?

Does that not count for your "He outs an early scumread" meta?

I’m about 2 pages into his iso and I don’t seem to see it, unless I skimmed past it? I’d need to read the reasoning and basis for his sr but considering Matt was pushing hard to discredit him I wouldn’t say it’s unreasonable for lc to have been wary of that

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:37 pm Is reading Alexa town for getting super upset (I'm crying etc.) a fair read or does she actually have that in her wolf-range? @ilario @Lime Coke

ive seen her get upset just once as a wolf, not to the extent where she was crying and the circumstances were very different the game.

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:57 am
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:49 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:47 am
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:36 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:26 am Do you mean TSP voting alexa?
Yeahh

Idk it just seems random and like I can’t fathom why he would be doing anything he’s doing if he was mafia
What does he gain by doing that as scum?
Does he have any reason not to do it as scum? This is mostly just WIFOM tbh.
I mean unless he’s just lolcatting while we fight I don’t really see how it benefits his wincon to potentially get on alexas bad side
Do you think it would have benefitted wolf-TSP's wincon more to vote on a realistic wagon like Mac?

I think if he did then this vote would have been under a lot more scrutiny, especially if whoever he votes flipped town.

I think at that point in time almost anybody could have voted mac without getting much scrutiny tbh. And tsp has shown he doesn’t really care about scrutiny given his vote was parked on me all of d1.

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:56 am
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:49 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:47 am
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:36 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:26 am Do you mean TSP voting alexa?
Yeahh

Idk it just seems random and like I can’t fathom why he would be doing anything he’s doing if he was mafia
What does he gain by doing that as scum?
Does he have any reason not to do it as scum? This is mostly just WIFOM tbh.
I mean unless he’s just lolcatting while we fight I don’t really see how it benefits his wincon to potentially get on alexas bad side
he doesn't know me like that

if you're suggesting people wouldn't push me as scum that's not true

I don’t think he was actually pushing u there though

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:30 am @ilario want to look at this Wiml wolf game with me for comparisons?
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ame-Thread

Honestly he spends a lot of time accusing whoever that scumreads him in that game as having a bad read and uses language such as “any explanation I’m giving people is falling in people with their heads stuck in the sand”

It feels like a lot of discrediting as opposed to trying to understand and work with people.

Though tbh I don’t have much meta of how he reacts to being fossed at town, since all other games I’ve seen him he’s had relatively no pressure (I don’t count anni).

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:47 am
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:36 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:26 am Do you mean TSP voting alexa?
Yeahh

Idk it just seems random and like I can’t fathom why he would be doing anything he’s doing if he was mafia
What does he gain by doing that as scum?
Does he have any reason not to do it as scum? This is mostly just WIFOM tbh.

I mean unless he’s just lolcatting while we fight I don’t really see how it benefits his wincon to potentially get on alexas bad side

I’m reading the bk iso from 18er u linked

Oh I thought we were reading bk LMAO

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:41 am
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:38 am He also spends a lot of time trying to look like he’s solving without actually solving. Look at post #872 in that game.
Well yes and grass is green.

Yeah but he’s very performative in that quote I’m referring to, I haven’t really noticed that from him this game

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:40 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:46 am ilario why is nanook a better slanker chop than tsp?

ironically theyre both townreading me and literally nobody else
I'm townreading a lot more than just you lolol

Alexa, ender, esooa

This line feels so awkward lolol

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:37 am i am honestly really bad at effective meta casing/reading based on games i'm not in

the main thing i usually do is if i see a generic "towntell" from someone i check and see if it's in their scumrange or not / if they can post that way as scum

but some people are really good at it lol

Same, I almost never read past games. I only do it if someone asks me to. I need to understand the context to be able to make meta reads and it’s hard to know the context by just reading an iso of one person.

He also spends a lot of time trying to look like he’s solving without actually solving. Look at post #872 in that game.

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:26 am Do you mean TSP voting alexa?

Yeahh

Idk it just seems random and like I can’t fathom why he would be doing anything he’s doing if he was mafia
What does he gain by doing that as scum?

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:30 am @ilario want to look at this Wiml wolf game with me for comparisons?
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ame-Thread

LMAOO @alexa i had a feeling youd ask that so I already started

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:42 am https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Named-18er

thoughts on this BK scumgame? i'm going to run to the store but i'll look at it when im back because iirc he had people fooled for awhile

The first thing I notice: His immediate treatment of my slot in that game is very different to this game. It’s like he was approaching me very carefully in that game. And when he tries to defend me and anne calls him out on it he doesn’t really stand his ground. He asks a bunch of questions that go nowhere. Throws a random vote, which aligns with my meta of him outting very weak random votes as scum to look like he’s solving. His reasoning here was “throwing this on. Few things I’m not a fan of there”

Seems like very generic scumtells tbh

Tbh I didn’t find him that game until some point after d2 since I didn’t notice him that much. He fell under the radar quite hard

What’s ur opinion on tsps little gambit thing he tried to do with Alexa just then? Or like anything he’s done today

In light of everything that happened the last hour or so

Okay so what’s ur poe rn?

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:52 am illario remind me why you're acumreading me outside of preflight associations with Nanook?

And comments like that feel like they’re made to discredit the validity of reads, you’re trying to make my read seem weak my labeling it as a pre-flip association when my read on you has nothing to do with nanooks alignnment. I just independently find other slots in the poe to be very towny rn, combined with the points mentioned in my previous post as well as the points esooa brought up earlier

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:52 am illario remind me why you're acumreading me outside of preflight associations with Nanook?

Oh it has nothing to do with nanook,

Essentially: I think ur playing with a survival mindset more than a solving mindset. An example is that u trd trans when the lobby was townrrading him, then found him scummy when his consensus changed. You looked to reconsider you read on him towards eod when essoa was thinking he’s town and when trans had towny moments but you also said lines such as “trans has to be the hammer today” and that type of suggestion didn’t line up with everything else you were saying imo.

A similar thing happened a bit earlier just when u cased mac, the timing of it felt right at the same time that people were ganging up on mac tthe most. Ender has been getting townier today and myself and essoa are starting to tr him, u mentioned him being towny pretty recently too despite being at odds with him for most of d1. It just feels like ur adjusting ur read a lot based around what essoa and other consensus slots are saying, instead of organically coming to those conclusions yourself through your own scumhunting.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:23 am
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:21 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:17 am
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:16 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:53 am
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:52 am If I am misreading someone It is likely mac, but this is my own personal pet read that nobody is obliged to follow.
Your read on me is unwelcome and I dismiss it. Go back to scumreading me if your conviction on it is like this. You may as well.
i have conviction on the read, but im not gonna drown everyone out and tell them my opinion>theirs and they have to listen to it.
that is not what the post I quoted was doing in the slightest
i get tthat, but u think my tr on u lacks conviction, but it doesnt. im like 95% sure ur just town, like i would put u on vvv of my list. the disclaimer "If I am misreading someone It is likely mac" is added because majority of the lobby doesnt feel the same way, so if everyone is against me it could simply be that i am wrong and tunneled to think my tr on u is correct.
if you need to randomly point out under no pressure that its your worst read it doesn't sound like 95% unless you have the solve

i think im pretty close to the solve

essoa u alexa have been consistently towny
ender has been towny today, tsp has been towny in his own unique way

LMAOOOOOO I’m kinda laughing but I also feel very bad for transcend just thinking of the idea that he was very towny in hindsight and he got yeeted for pushing LC and he might have been right

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:13 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:24 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:16 pm brad why are you voting ilario
Because Illario does whatever he can to NOT townread me when he and I are town. Even when I'm obvious as fuck town through a WHOLE game, he'll keep me at null and refuse to move me.
This game he started off with a townread on me. That actually caught me off guard and pinged me.
This is the closest read he has to a thought process this game.

ill be honest, i havent read his iso this game,

but ill defs keep all this in mind when i do get to iso'ing him

if this is his only read then ig ill be concerned

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:54 am OKAY SO:

Lime Coke as Blue Kang:

GAME 1:
Lime's Light Matrix 13er: (TOWN)
God townread on Alexa > Defends hard
#139 - Solvy post where he outs reasons on a non-Alexa (LDies - Susses him for reasons that aren't related to going after Alexa)
#234 - Reads Dota town and outlines the thought process. This is in line with the town meta I think I have for LC
I'm going to ignore the aggro in this game as LC has explicitly said they're trying to tone that part down.

GAME 2:
Deck Mafia #002: (TOWN)
#151 slightly solvy on Appel not at the same level.
#164 More of what I expect out of town!LC, solid thought process explained
#298 Directly interacts with Wiml and bounces reads off him, explains his thought process again
#347 Is a bit weaker in terms of explanation but still an attempt to outline thought process.
#361 More explanation again

I'm going to skip lmao is scum.

GAME 3:
Insomnia can't rand noob Vig 10er: (MAFIA)
No real outing of reads thought process.
#106 where he outs townreads without much thought process added.
This feels like kinda a bad game, lemme look for another.

GAME 4:
Arts and Crafts: (MAFIA)
#37 and #38 actually involve attempts to explain the process of how he reaches the reads
Hmmmm
This game actually has some of what I was considering townier of BK. Though it's not as forceful and LC tries to be diplomatic a lot (#517 trying to avoid clashes)

these game are a better depictor of his town game.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/30377
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/31177 hes mystery player and also in a stacked lobby.

if you notice he just finds a few townreads and then just more or less trends downhill after that. if they get fossed he'll shield and if someone pushes them he'll vote them. other than that he doesnt go out of his way to fos people, you can see me pressure him for that in both games.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/31067

this is one scum game u linked, 5 posts into the game he feels compelled to make a sr, and the reasoning is " votes appletini-
Reads to me don't feel real and are just thrown together. She might not care because she's mafia."

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=11830862

the other scum game u linked, he again makes a sr based on lvl 0 reasoning "votes awesome 5000- Awesome is doing nothing game related."

if u notice when hes scum, he feels pressured to look like hes contributing and he feels obliged he has to fos someone. he will often do so, and do it very early for very weak reasonings. so yeah, in contrary to most players, outing a few trs early game hes confident in and then coasting is just how LC plays as town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:17 am
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:16 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:53 am
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:52 am If I am misreading someone It is likely mac, but this is my own personal pet read that nobody is obliged to follow.
Your read on me is unwelcome and I dismiss it. Go back to scumreading me if your conviction on it is like this. You may as well.
i have conviction on the read, but im not gonna drown everyone out and tell them my opinion>theirs and they have to listen to it.
that is not what the post I quoted was doing in the slightest

i get tthat, but u think my tr on u lacks conviction, but it doesnt. im like 95% sure ur just town, like i would put u on vvv of my list. the disclaimer "If I am misreading someone It is likely mac" is added because majority of the lobby doesnt feel the same way, so if everyone is against me it could simply be that i am wrong and tunneled to think my tr on u is correct.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:54 am OKAY SO:

Lime Coke as Blue Kang:

GAME 1:
Lime's Light Matrix 13er: (TOWN)
God townread on Alexa > Defends hard
#139 - Solvy post where he outs reasons on a non-Alexa (LDies - Susses him for reasons that aren't related to going after Alexa)
#234 - Reads Dota town and outlines the thought process. This is in line with the town meta I think I have for LC
I'm going to ignore the aggro in this game as LC has explicitly said they're trying to tone that part down.

GAME 2:
Deck Mafia #002: (TOWN)
#151 slightly solvy on Appel not at the same level.
#164 More of what I expect out of town!LC, solid thought process explained
#298 Directly interacts with Wiml and bounces reads off him, explains his thought process again
#347 Is a bit weaker in terms of explanation but still an attempt to outline thought process.
#361 More explanation again

I'm going to skip lmao is scum.

GAME 3:
Insomnia can't rand noob Vig 10er: (MAFIA)
No real outing of reads thought process.
#106 where he outs townreads without much thought process added.
This feels like kinda a bad game, lemme look for another.

GAME 4:
Arts and Crafts: (MAFIA)
#37 and #38 actually involve attempts to explain the process of how he reaches the reads
Hmmmm
This game actually has some of what I was considering townier of BK. Though it's not as forceful and LC tries to be diplomatic a lot (#517 trying to avoid clashes)

i clicked the links but its not working?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:53 am
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:52 am If I am misreading someone It is likely mac, but this is my own personal pet read that nobody is obliged to follow.
Your read on me is unwelcome and I dismiss it. Go back to scumreading me if your conviction on it is like this. You may as well.

i have conviction on the read, but im not gonna drown everyone out and tell them my opinion>theirs and they have to listen to it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:29 am
alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:25 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:24 am
alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:21 am [VOTE: mac] aubergine

the fact that he has 0 votes and LC has 2 still feels off.
so you vote people for reasons like this and then get mad when they disagree. okay.
i think your vote on LC felt opportunistic
I was voting LC most of the day and only moved to Nanook when Ilario cased him. Please stop tunneling me.

whats ur read on me mac

@EnderWiggin thanks for the effort in ur dive, ill read ur case in a sec, just tryna catch upto the thread

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:17 am [VOTE: lime coke] aubergine

why

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:16 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:13 am @alexa

@ilario

Both of you have played more with LC than myself.

Can you remember in previous town games, does he explain more than just his primary shield? Because that's the impression I get from my experience with him.
his town games are mostly him shielding people then pushing on anyone who FOSes who he shields

which IMO is not far off from this game, it just feels slightly less passionate this game

true ur very right there, but im trying to account for the fact that he doesnt want to get banned LOOOL and is working on being less of a rager, so that may have to do with it.

If I am misreading someone It is likely mac, but this is my own personal pet read that nobody is obliged to follow.

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:49 am Alexa do u remember in that forum game with the entity and u and I was town and we got forced into a cc with each other, and I kept asking everyone to just yeet me cos I figured it was the best thing to do since the entire lobby was tunneled into thinking we were w/v because of the delayed report? It’s kinda like that. And I’m getting similar vibes to that game.

To answer who I wanna yeet: I honestly think the game ends with wiml and nanook being yeeted. If you don’t want wiml I respect that and we can go elsewhere, in which case I prefer nanook personally but everyone’s free to do what they like.

Part of this is cos I feel like ender has been reasonably towny today and to a lesser extent, Tsp

Alexa do u remember in that forum game with the entity and u and I was town and we got forced into a cc with each other, and I kept asking everyone to just yeet me cos I figured it was the best thing to do since the entire lobby was tunneled into thinking we were w/v because of the delayed report? It’s kinda like that. And I’m getting similar vibes to that game.

To answer who I wanna yeet: I honestly think the game ends with wiml and nanook being yeeted. If you don’t want wiml I respect that and we can go elsewhere, in which case I prefer nanook personally but everyone’s free to do what they like.

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:41 am
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:39 am Also the fact that mac is making such a big fuss still that people fos him even though he’s never going over today just means he’s moreso upset that people are misreading him than he is about being misyeeted, which is >rand town
why do you think he's never going over today?

i dont think theres enough actual traction to get him yeeted today, it goes back to why he wasnt yeeted d1, he has enough clout that even though people are wary of him i dont think people would ever actually yeet him unless they were very sure hes mafia.

its like this alexa, imagine we're back in the em servers, say spf is being fossed d1/d2, she still never gets yeeted 9/10 games that early.

also, because, i think hes town lol.

Also the fact that mac is making such a big fuss still that people fos him even though he’s never going over today just means he’s moreso upset that people are misreading him than he is about being misyeeted, which is >rand town

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:33 am
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:32 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:01 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:17 am wiml why do you think Mac is a wolf
Because he's pushing takes he obviously doesn't believe in (notably him being threadspewed town - from my experience pushing it myself in Scythe I just don't think anybody who pushes that take in a situation like this actually believes in it lol and him townlocking me for weird reasons as well). All of his substantial pushes up until the point where he was firmly a candidate for dying today have been on obvious or flipped towns.

He's also making posts that are clearly just for the sake of being townread by the people who don't know him well (particularly that stream of consciousness-esque wall that really has no purpose existing and I know Mac can easily replicate as a wolf because even I could so it literally has no reason to exist besides looking superficially towny to people who don't know him as well). I remember him doing stiff like this a lot D1 as well (and remember Alison correctly shutting down bad townreads on Mac for similar things throughout D1).

There's a reason illario/alexa aren't actively pushing for Mac any more and it's this. He's making posts that I honestly see no other purpose to besides this.

His whole "I need to flip today as town" thing at SoD2 is something I explained earlier but I also really struggle to see coming from him as town.

There are a couple of redeeming things (mostly because I think he had the chance to try to get me flipped at EoD and didn't capitalise it) but that's about it.

This is otoh mind.
tbh the only reason im not pushing him anymore is because i tr him more than i trust alisons sr on him

i already trd him in the game before until alison said i was tr'ing him for wrong reasons. if im wrong then ill take full ownership of the read and if we lose because of it, then the loss is on me.
i'm not sheeping your read on mac or losing for it ilario

thats fine i could very well be wrong, i trust you to figure it out if i am off here

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:01 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:17 am wiml why do you think Mac is a wolf
Because he's pushing takes he obviously doesn't believe in (notably him being threadspewed town - from my experience pushing it myself in Scythe I just don't think anybody who pushes that take in a situation like this actually believes in it lol and him townlocking me for weird reasons as well). All of his substantial pushes up until the point where he was firmly a candidate for dying today have been on obvious or flipped towns.

He's also making posts that are clearly just for the sake of being townread by the people who don't know him well (particularly that stream of consciousness-esque wall that really has no purpose existing and I know Mac can easily replicate as a wolf because even I could so it literally has no reason to exist besides looking superficially towny to people who don't know him as well). I remember him doing stiff like this a lot D1 as well (and remember Alison correctly shutting down bad townreads on Mac for similar things throughout D1).

There's a reason illario/alexa aren't actively pushing for Mac any more and it's this. He's making posts that I honestly see no other purpose to besides this.

His whole "I need to flip today as town" thing at SoD2 is something I explained earlier but I also really struggle to see coming from him as town.

There are a couple of redeeming things (mostly because I think he had the chance to try to get me flipped at EoD and didn't capitalise it) but that's about it.

This is otoh mind.

tbh the only reason im not pushing him anymore is because i tr him more than i trust alisons sr on him

i already trd him in the game before until alison said i was tr'ing him for wrong reasons. if im wrong then ill take full ownership of the read and if we lose because of it, then the loss is on me.

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