The Syndicate

You didn't have to read those.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:31 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:14 pm Plus you're noticing my reads are off, that's because my reads have BEEN off.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... IA-WINS%29

This game on my main my legacy reads at the end were "SPF AND CHELSEA TOWN" and hard shielded them.
SPF was town, Chelsea was maf.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... bed-a-Bank
This game I was on Mystery Player, my legacy reads were "SPF AND DUNYA TOWN" and hard shielded them, including me saying I'd bingewatch a show of Dunya's choosing if she was mafia.
SPF was town, Dunya was mafia and I'm watching Elite on Netflix now.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... f-the-Rift
This game my legacy reads and my hard shield was on Neopest and I was holding people at gunpoint to townread Katze .
NEO TOWN, KATZE MAF

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Experiment
This (shitty) game I had both Alexa and Neo town as my legacy reads.
Alexa was town, Neo was maf.

You understand why I'm being so cautious about my reads right now? Any time I spout multiple legacy reads, I've been dead wrong on some of them.

I'm usually right on one player, but the second player I end up being totally wrong and I fuck the town over by hardshielding a wolf.
1st game:
#288, kinda #344, #424.

I'll admit I see less of it there but straight up there are still several posts that fit what I've been talking about.

Game 2:
#596, #735

A lot of the early game where I expect the towntell I'm slowly building you were under pressure, so I'm not surprised at the lowered instance.

Still there however.

Game 3:
I already did this, this was the first one you linked.

Game 4:
Already did this in my initial draft.

That post was more for explaining why I'm hesitant on giving hard townreads this game.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:33 pm Ignore the shielding thing.

Read my post about how as town you try to out reads that AREN'T your shield.

And when you do those reads have some thought process to them, explaining why you got there.

I'll read over the games you linked later when I'm not at work to ensure it is consistent with my understanding of your play, but I'm not questioning the Shield part.

That's fine that you see that I haven't been really explaining most of my townreads. That's mainly because I'm just reacting quickly and certain players I really can't explain reads for?

Like Esooa I've played multiple games with by now. I can't really explain why she's town, I'm not capable of explaining her town or mafia meta because she changes every damn game depending on her level of motivation. I just end up reading her a certain alignment and move on.

Illario relatively the same thing? Like the main town thing he has is the "town entitlement" stuff and the way he explains his townreads and the fact that he usually falls back on scumreads when he's town. Otherwise the rest of the stuff he does as town he can do as mafia so it makes it tricky to explain his game. (Alexa does way better explaining his game tbh.)

I've already explained you how I liked the whole "I'll figure out his alignment by Day 2/3" post, which ironically you're doing the opposite of that

. But the effort you're putting in right now at looking at my past games and explaining the scumread on me is HUGELY towny.

Plus you're noticing my reads are off, that's because my reads have BEEN off.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... IA-WINS%29

This game on my main my legacy reads at the end were "SPF AND CHELSEA TOWN" and hard shielded them.
SPF was town, Chelsea was maf.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... bed-a-Bank
This game I was on Mystery Player, my legacy reads were "SPF AND DUNYA TOWN" and hard shielded them, including me saying I'd bingewatch a show of Dunya's choosing if she was mafia.
SPF was town, Dunya was mafia and I'm watching Elite on Netflix now.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... f-the-Rift
This game my legacy reads and my hard shield was on Neopest and I was holding people at gunpoint to townread Katze

.
NEO TOWN, KATZE MAF

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Experiment
This (shitty) game I had both Alexa and Neo town as my legacy reads.
Alexa was town, Neo was maf.

You understand why I'm being so cautious about my reads right now? Any time I spout multiple legacy reads, I've been dead wrong on some of them.

I'm usually right on one player, but the second player I end up being totally wrong and I fuck the town over by hardshielding a wolf.

I WILL PUT MY RESPONSES IN GIANT BOLD LETTERS TO MAKE THIS EASIER TO READ!!!

Maybe not 200 font, but the 150 seems to work.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:06 am LC ISO:
Spoiler: show

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:42 pm I actually don't have a single read yet.
His first non-fluff is saying he doesn't have reads.

Then:
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:19 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:18 pm Whose gonna be your hard-shield this game LC?
You're voting them.
When questioned he puts this up to start shielding Alexa.

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I didn't actually townread Alexa at the time. However you asked the question, I was answering seeing that if I ended up townreading Alexa, which I did about an hour later, I would've hard shielded her like I usually do.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:23 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:20 pm But they were hedgy LC.
That's what's weird I don't really know what there is to hedge yet. Only thing is a townread on me from Mac before she stated that as far as I can see immediately.
Takes my joke super seriously. Sometimes it's a scumtell sometimes not.

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I have the "Take jokes seriously is scummy" policy myself, so I get where you're coming from on this.

But in my response, I didn't think that was a joke post. When you responded with "It was a joke" that was why I responded with "I'm a fucking idiot" because I indeed felt like an idiot and I broke my own rule due to a misunderstanding.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:41 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:38 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:21 pm Like, she hasn't really done anything that's her town game YET. If Alexa gets going she'll be obvious town.
Everything I do is my town game because I’m town

(I also agree I don’t think I’ve done anything AI yet if someone had a correct read on me it would be surprising or a crapshoot from numbers/probability odds)
Yes, and everyone that is townreading you that's not me has TMI.

I will then tunnel those individuals, and then complain about them once they flip town and take 0 blame.

Then proceed to lead town into an L.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:41 pm I don’t think he would like not out a read on me/be hesitant to read me if he was wolfing here, to me it sounds like town who is worried I’m wolf/worried he won’t be able to find me since he worries I’m not as obvious town as the previous times I was town (and I can see him wanting to be able to catch me if I’m wolf too) so I feel his approach me makes sense as a villager
This actually kinda hits it on the head and I'm townreading you now because of that explanation.

Spoiler: show
You gotta flip wolf against me eventually, though.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:49 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:47 pm LC is town, I agree.

If I'm wrong on this it'll be obvious by Day 3.
This is...fucking accurate and I've never actually said anything about this.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:49 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:47 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:08 pmmac town
I can’t figure out how to multiquote from my phone but pretend I quoted this quote and also you calling wiml town and then Mac wolf

And my response is .... are you going to explain anything?
You have the quote button, then to the right of that is the 2 word bubbles, that is collects for multi-quote.

@alexa
Then this string, which doesn't do a lot.

Focuses on the Alexa read, then helps mech.

Nothing too important.

Then some more non-interactions like:
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:57 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:55 pmI'm town
Are you?
And then outs a basic ass townread on me like:
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:01 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:59 pm kind of gut townreading EnderWiggin
Agreeing with you. The "I'll find him by Day 3" post was actually kinda bad ass and towny.

Has some early townreads and interactions, also has a hard-shield player.

He then spends a majority of the next posts defending Alexa from various sussing, then susses Ilario hard.

Then Alison causes a bit of sus to come LC's direction and he fends it off okay.

Just saw that I rate a 7/10 on Alison's scum game quality eval.

Just noting here that I actually feel like I can do better than that. I will either improve or prove that I'm worth of at least a 9/10 some time in the future. /ego

Then a bunch more fluff including great snark at me.

Then:
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:55 am I was eating popcorn.

Why does Nanook have a wagon?
Incidentally his first mention of Nanook all game.

A lot more fluff.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:32 am Okay but seriously.

Townreads:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Nanook
Illario (Sheeping Alexa)

That's all I have currently.
Then finally puts out a general townlist. This is fine.

Then plays HARD shield, which is normally a good look for LC.

THEN gets in a fight with Transcend.

THEN outs this reads list:
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:23 pm READLIIIIIIST:

Town:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Alison
Illario
Wiml
Mac
Nanook
TSP
Transcend
Maf:

The bottom 3 are more POE.
Which is just hilarious to me.

Then mostly fluff and directly joking with Alexa.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:11 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:06 pm Hi. What is your solve?
Transcend is 1, and the other is either Nanook or maybe TSP?

I don't know the stuff with Mac. Is Mac capable of making that many team solves at once as mafia?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:55 am if wiml is town then esooa/Alison/ilario/transcend contain wolves with ilario/esooa or ilario/Alison or transcend/Alison being the team

if Alison is town its wiml/transcend with esooa as swing

if transcend is town it's just wiml/ilario

if ilario is town wiml is always a wolf

if esooa is town it's wiml/transcend with Alison as swing
I'm talking this type of post, is there a world where Mac makes this post as mafia?
Then moves to this Mac read, this is a little nuanced compared to previous stuff I remember from his wolf game.

Then more fluff and defense of Alexa.

Actually gives solid thoughts on why Alexa is town, but this is not outside LC wolf range.

D2 he actually asks a few questions while continuing with the Alexa shield.

Starts to press Mac hard. Most of the rest of his game is aggro on LC

THIS IS WHERE THE FUN STARTS.

Time to cross-reference.

IN JOATED:
Plays very similar. Outs strong townread and defends. Aggros on some people. Offers some townreads. Generally gets quieter as the game goes.

I actually reckon LC is in his scum range.

In the little town exposure, I've seen him make reads where he explains the reasoning for his decisions, as if showing off the way he's mentally arrived at this thought.

In this game he has only outed townreads, with the only one he's properly explained is his Alexa shield.

This is exactly the same as in JOATED where he only outed reasons for shielding Honey.
Interestingly, I actually think LC's current play is more scum!Indicative of him than town.

Turns out I can change my mind.

Okay, there wasn't much that I could actually respond to? This was mostly commentary. I DON'T know how to respond to commentary.

You say I fell off but I kinda do that as town too? Like Illario said, I start off strong, usually Day 1 I play really well, but by Day 3 or 4 I lose energy, motivation, and interest depending on how well the game is going.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... f-the-Rift

Another town game I was on my alt Mystery Player, which is not a mystery anymore

. I was strong all of Day 1, then Day 2 I hard defend Neo (NEO TOWN!) and go crazy with it (Again I'm trying to calm down), but my energy level went down further and further as the game went on because it was exhausting, and SaraC was annoying me.

I lose steam in games, this game specifically is draining me a bit. Like I said in games that I hard shield Alexa, or others, I end up losing game awareness and I forget most of my reads it's an awful ass habit.

I'll post this for now but I'm going to continue on, give me a few minutes.

I just got home and I'm on my laptop now let me go through the case and respond to it all.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:48 pm After waking up and catching up, I still don't doubt my LC read tbh.

I mean...there was nothing to really catch up on and I was at work.

What did you expect?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:19 pm [VOTE: lime coke] aubergine

Townie naked vote

It only works when you don't announce it to everyone.

Like me.

@TonyStarkPrime

Why are you still voting Alexaaaaa?

I gotta get off and be productive at work.

I'll be on after a few hours and will respond to the case as I said.

Later.

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:42 am https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Named-18er

thoughts on this BK scumgame? i'm going to run to the store but i'll look at it when im back because iirc he had people fooled for awhile

This is probably my best scum game.

Which is a shame because the rest of my team sucked.

I gotta be on a computer to be able to respond to your iso case on me because I post in a way to make it easier for people to read. Which won't be until later today when I'm off of work, very sorry about that but we have a full extra day so it shouldn't be THAT much of a loss time wise.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:56 am I kinda think LC is wolf. I'm not super confident because the Arts and Crafts did show he can play a decent wolf game, but from ALL of the other wolfgames including JOATED he doesn't show the same solvy approach I see in every one of his town games.

Also Arts and Crafts was a fluke win I didn't play that great of a game. Town ate itself alive starting with the CFD on a town when the wagon was on a maf member Day 1. I should not have won that.

I'm at work so I'm in the void of backreading but keeping up to current game.

Annnnd Lime was the game I was banned for because I called someone an idiot.

Which, again, I'm trying to lay off of; that plus the toxicity in general, which hasn't gone as well as I'd hoped as you saw.

@EnderWiggin

Turbo games aren't exactly the games to go off of because they kinda suck.

If you want town meta, go through Shakespeare Maf (this game is a lot closer to that) or Reflections from the Mountaintop.

If you want maf meta, you already went through the 1 mafia game I won (I've lost the others

) and 18er is the other.

This game I've been pulled into defending Alexa incredibly hard, which believe it or not takes way too much energy out of me and I lose game state awareness.
Shakespeare were 3 hour days where I had to hard defend Alexa for like, the first 2 hours, then EOD, or at least the last 10 minutes, came and I'd be clueless on who to vote.

That's kinda the issue this game which I kinda need to learn from but yeah.

Alexa is town.

TSP is wolf.

This should be easy.

I'm driving to work now I'll be on sporadically.

Esooa was right on Transcend.

Alright well I'm going to sleep. I got a full work day tomorrow so I won't be on that often until like 6 or 7 PM my time in case you're wondering.

Later everyone.

I gotta start taking notes in these games, especially that are this size or this many posts.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:56 pm Why do you townread me?

I literally can't remember why I just remember'd that I townread you and I don't think I'd vote you any time soon.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:53 pm LC.

What reads do you have not named Alexa

Townread you

Townread Esooa (Second strongest)

Townread Illario

Scumread Mac

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:50 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:43 pm Ender do you want a town read
That depends on why I'm getting townread.

Pure

Unadulterated

Blind

Townread.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:41 pm I just remembered I tilted at Transcend and kinda sussed him towards the end.

I deserve not even dark knighthood.

Booooooooooooooooooooo

You're not Esooa

Booooooooooooooooooooo

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:37 pm conceited was what I was thinking of

Nah, you deserve it.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:32 pm wait that's not the right word

Lugubrious?

Discombobulated?

Obsequious?

Esooa your read on Transcend was indeed flawless. You townread him to a degree of being correct that others should look at the read and be like "man, I should really try to play mafia like Esooa."
Your read was indeed GOATED and an example of how great your reads can be in a game of mafia and no one can deny you of that claim.
You deserve to have it known that you were correct on Transcend.

Oh there you are

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:20 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:19 pm also Mac you need to give me props for town reading transcend. I want them
Can I?

I guess not....

I was gonna have a speech prepared.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:19 pm also Mac you need to give me props for town reading transcend. I want them

Can I?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:10 pm @Lime Coke I wish to thunderdome you.

You realize you're not dealing with the average mafia warrior anymore...

I've risen beyond the limits of a mafia warrior...and into the realm of legend...

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:31 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:30 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:29 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:27 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:53 pm i feel like wiml is in antispew and specifically trying to make me look like his partner or something based on how he's replying to me
This is a very confusing post tbh.
why
It just is.
..so you're shading me too?

No I was just making a joke out of that.

Take it easy you're still my strongest townread.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:29 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:27 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:53 pm i feel like wiml is in antispew and specifically trying to make me look like his partner or something based on how he's replying to me
This is a very confusing post tbh.
why

It just is.

.....should I do it?

....can I do it?

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:06 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:05 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:04 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:54 pm updated reads

alexa - Town who needs to chill out and maybe step away

ender - still firmly poe

esooa - Town or this is her best wolf game yet

ilario - i wanna say town but maybe im underestimating a bit... need more info. Significantly more likely town if Nanook wolf and vice versa.

lime coke - extremely scummy

nanook - feels a little more town than usual. He has a bit of a frustrated and authoritative tone which I feel is towny for him in this gamestate.

tsp - who knows

wiml - still think he's wolf
after seeing what happened to trans when he pushed lime yesterday, i wonder if scum!mac ever thinks its a smart idea to push LC himself?
He didn't start pushing me until AFTER I started pushing him. Which he says that I started pushing him like middle of the day when I've been voting him since day started when I got on.
oh fair enough, then my point is mute

I stated what he did that was scummy (Vote Transcend after getting Trans to vote Wiml) and he was like "I didn't do that" despite it being right there...

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:04 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:54 pm updated reads

alexa - Town who needs to chill out and maybe step away

ender - still firmly poe

esooa - Town or this is her best wolf game yet

ilario - i wanna say town but maybe im underestimating a bit... need more info. Significantly more likely town if Nanook wolf and vice versa.

lime coke - extremely scummy

nanook - feels a little more town than usual. He has a bit of a frustrated and authoritative tone which I feel is towny for him in this gamestate.

tsp - who knows

wiml - still think he's wolf
after seeing what happened to trans when he pushed lime yesterday, i wonder if scum!mac ever thinks its a smart idea to push LC himself?

He didn't start pushing me until AFTER I started pushing him. Which he says that I started pushing him like middle of the day when I've been voting him since day started when I got on.

@alexa

You're fun to play with, probably my favorite to play with overall, please don't take the negative things so hard, I know it's hard not to.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:39 pm like esooa has literally been wolfreading you and shading you this whole game WIml
but it's me specifically you get emotional about

....hmmmm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:35 pm also yes i am now voting tsp

I don't know why but I laughed after reading this.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:32 pm I have an inkling Nanook is a town reading the game well.
Should I beat him?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:32 pm I have an inkling Nanook is a town reading the game well.

Should I beat him?

@ilario

Actually where are your reads at right now? For some reason I haven't noticed your posts today but I don't think you were around until now?

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:21 pm Fwiw, I dislike that nanook isn’t voting me despite making it clear I’m his main fos

Technically he's got both of you in his 2 for 2.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:11 pm like i have no idea what led him to saying im not worth talking to

im going to actually step aside though because im crying now

Take it easy, you're fine. You're a fun player to talk to, don't listen to others like that.

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:07 pm why are u guys speaking as if ur yeets are imminent? ur both experienced players and u know that a yeet is never a set thing when its only 3 hours into a 48 hour day

Because despite all of my rage...

I'm just a can of coke

Inside of a cage...

Spoiler: show

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:06 pm Sorry I'm going to leave the thread for the night I think.

I appreciate everyone in this game a lot.

Yup take a breather, turtle. It's mafia, things get heated unfortunately.

Take care of yourself though.

By the way, at least I'm not calling someone a "fucking idiot" during this...

@alexa I'M MAKING PROGRESS!

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:56 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:55 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:53 pm like the thing about your Alexa read is it doesn't even consider what she can or can't do as a wolf. You're hard clearing her for meta she KNOWS you have. She literally just has to go "this is what LC shields me for every game so I'm just gonna do that as a wolf"

and you think that's impossible?

come on
why are you obsessing so much over this?

LC can read me how he wants. he's right now but he could be wrong in the future. none of that matters atm
because he does it every single game and it makes thread health worse every single game. I'm telling him to stop

I get it's a pain in the ass and I'm trying to fix it. However it's a push that kinda shouldn't happen because Alexa becomes pretty obvious town from her gameplay, annnnd the threadstate gets bad when she's pushed anyways? So best I could do is soften that out by pushing my townread on those that aren't reading her correctly.

Again, I'm trying to figure out a way to defend her without making everyone go batshit insane or piss people off more. Unfortunately I haven't been able to do so.

Again, sorry if it's making you uncomfortable.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:53 pm like the thing about your Alexa read is it doesn't even consider what she can or can't do as a wolf. You're hard clearing her for meta she KNOWS you have. She literally just has to go "this is what LC shields me for every game so I'm just gonna do that as a wolf"

and you think that's impossible?

come on

It's not impossible for her to fool me, I guess, but what I see what I have seen multiple times and have been right about every time.

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