The Syndicate

Let's all tell our roles, and then decide which ones are unlikely to be fake! gg baddies

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:38 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:19 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:05 pm Hot take ambray and sloonei are scum mates gg

Tell me more

you're asking all these questions to the point of sounding fake

idk the chance that you're actually teammates is probably pretty low, especially with all this interaction right after the game thread opens on day 0, but still I could see it as a possibility based on this behavior. and making a bold assertion like this should stimulate the discussion. hence the hot take

U bad

That was my initial take on it.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:38 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:19 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:05 pm Hot take ambray and sloonei are scum mates gg

Tell me more

you're asking all these questions to the point of sounding fake

idk the chance that you're actually teammates is probably pretty low, especially with all this interaction right after the game thread opens on day 0, but still I could see it as a possibility based on this behavior. and making a bold assertion like this should stimulate the discussion. hence the hot take

U bad

That was my initial take on it.

so you suspect me? why?

Your post is rife with hip jargon that I don't feel is natural for you. That's not how you usually talk, is it? It just pinged me as possibly forced and fake.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:33 pm like to be clear that had pretty much nothing to do with you. the only part of it that referred to your actions was the last part about trust. i could already tell what you were doing with your thing about nutella, whether you are or aren't Merry is irrelevant.

I also want to add that if anyone ever sees another player claiming their role, it's probably best to not say anything since the only players who can't safely claim their own roles are probably Gandalf and Frodo.

What? If I see someone claim my role, I should keep quiet?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:26 am INH doesn't get what a safeclaim is.

So he's mocking someone else who does.

That makes INH a civilian.

Epignosis uses sound logic to clear someone.

That looks good for him.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:35 am:/ what good is the award if you don't even use the eyeball emoji as part of it? c'mon man

legit

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:56 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:39 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:41 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:58 am pressure vote on Glorfindel

Why would you do such a thing, my friend? This is no way to summon the presence of this High Elven Prince!

Are you mafia?

Are you serious?

Great answer. Don't answer another question about your alignment. Don't lie, don't tell the truth... deflect! No one needs to ask your goddamn alignment. Here's his answer: I'm Civ!

nutella, I can see you're shaking things up here, you're probably like "I always get lynched for blah blah, so fuck it, I'm just going to do this instead!: or something, but you're making me so very suspicious. You are my oldest Mafia friend and I love you, but I'm voting for you as well.

Gotta go now, I'm dying inside from that colon that was supposed to be a quotation mark.

Thanks for the response, nutella, and to Epi for the look back at previous somewhat similar stuff. I don't suspect you for it any more. I just need to pay more attention.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:34 pm Moved my vote to Long Con. He put a vote on nutella with only a vague reference to something suspicious. I don't like it.

Oh puh-leeze. What is this, you're feeling the valid pressure from Mac already and you need to turn to the low-hanging fruit of Long Con? "I don't like it." Well, la di da. *vote Sloonei*

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:02 pm Very well. I’m putting an end to this nonsense once and for all. If no one could’ve guessed, THIS game means a great deal to me (perhaps more than any other that I’ve played here at the Syndicate) and I am not going to let those disingenuous amongst you use my reputation and meta against me here. Yes, I AM TOWN! You can take that to the bank or wherever else you damn well want to - I’m not going to blissfully be mislynched by the forces of #*^%ing Mordor! I’d said it before, and this game has proven it to me now - my continued presence in these games has become truly untenable. Accordingly, please don’t expect that I’ll be returning for The Two Towers (as much as that pains me). I’ll have more to say on this matter once this game is ended.

In the meantime, I’m not buying Nutella’s twisted logic for voting me so here... have one of your own!

Oh, come on, Glorf! You have a good thing going, but you ruin it with this kind of thing! Way cooler to just not say anything. I was looking forward to a game of that, where you weather the questions with polite aloofness or something.

I'm not Maphier. But I don't have time to play right now, lynch is 24 hours away and I don't work tomorrow until the evening.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:20 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:13 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:38 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:19 pm

Tell me more

you're asking all these questions to the point of sounding fake

idk the chance that you're actually teammates is probably pretty low, especially with all this interaction right after the game thread opens on day 0, but still I could see it as a possibility based on this behavior. and making a bold assertion like this should stimulate the discussion. hence the hot take

U bad

That was my initial take on it.

so you suspect me? why?

Your post is rife with hip jargon that I don't feel is natural for you. That's not how you usually talk, is it? It just pinged me as possibly forced and fake.

What's this? Is this moderate agreement to my accusation of nutella? It definitely wasn't calling it bullshit. The Noble smiley is a strong positive. Are you one of those baddies that prod a case from the sidelines?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:38 am If nutella and Long Con are both bad, I am going to laugh from the heights of Caradhras.

That will not happen.

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:49 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:44 pm I went looking for why rabbit's vote is on LC.

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:29 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:27 pm Did a read through. Not much stands out mostly becauseIve lost touch with peoples usual m.o. Not a fan of Long Cons posts but the attention he's getting feels a bit easy. Holding my vote for now.

That's why I like lynching LC. He's easy, ask BR.....

Is this normal day 1 rabbit behavior? He's provided next to nothing of substance in all of his posts so far, and this looks like a super easy bandwagon vote. I'm not sure a maphier (word of the game) would be so careless, but rabbit is not a player i'm familiar with.

Normal Rabbit is normal. What bandwagon? Are you going with the fact that I voted for LC? Go with that then, and assume my vote can't be changed.......

You really crumbled here on the voting of Long Con. Was that vote supposed to make me feel some sort of pressure? I don't recall feeling it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:22 pm LC has responded to each of the four votes that were cast against them. To rabbit and myself, he responded by throwing suspicion back in our faces. But to Epi and nutella he said thisL

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:09 pm Thanks for the response, nutella, and to Epi for the look back at previous somewhat similar stuff. I don't suspect you for it any more. I just need to pay more attention.

And has not moved his vote off nutella.

LC, what's up? Have you paid more attention yet? why are you still voting for nutella? what's your read on rabbit?

Not too impressed with rabbit's play so far. Putting down phony pressure votes just to not look like a "no vote weirdo" is something I have done in the past, and I got called out for it, and I was bad. We might be seeing that here with rabbit8, and it's an easy play to fall back on when you're a little rusty.

I no longer consider myself as voting for nutella, I just haven't decided another place to put it yet. Short list, I have Jack and rabbit. Jackrabbit. I'll go rabbit.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:32 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:31 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:22 pm LC has responded to each of the four votes that were cast against them. To rabbit and myself, he responded by throwing suspicion back in our faces. But to Epi and nutella he said thisL

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:09 pm Thanks for the response, nutella, and to Epi for the look back at previous somewhat similar stuff. I don't suspect you for it any more. I just need to pay more attention.

And has not moved his vote off nutella.

LC, what's up? Have you paid more attention yet? why are you still voting for nutella? what's your read on rabbit?

Not too impressed with rabbit's play so far. Putting down phony pressure votes just to not look like a "no vote weirdo" is something I have done in the past, and I got called out for it, and I was bad. We might be seeing that here with rabbit8, and it's an easy play to fall back on when you're a little rusty.

I no longer consider myself as voting for nutella, I just haven't decided another place to put it yet. Short list, I have Jack and rabbit. Jackrabbit. I'll go rabbit.

what is your experience with rabbit as a player?

We have played together many times, but it has been a while.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:35 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:40 pm Spent line twenty minutes trying to make a rainbow list on mobile with quotes and smilies and my daughter closed the damn tab.

Fuck it.

Kyle and Mac are bad.

LC and Nutella are meh.

INH, Sloonei, Epi are good.

And of course Glor is good.

No actually I'm civ so I presume the rest of your reads are wrong too

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:40 am Inauthentic replies to Sloonei's questions hey. Gonna have to do better than that if you want to build a mislynch wagon on me that lazy civs and some Maphiers can dive on. Try quoting a post and saying this one and that should do it.

Is there something about Mac saying you want to mislynch him that makes him wolfy?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:56 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:46 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:35 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:40 pm Spent line twenty minutes trying to make a rainbow list on mobile with quotes and smilies and my daughter closed the damn tab.

Fuck it.

Kyle and Mac are bad.

LC and Nutella are meh.

INH, Sloonei, Epi are good.

And of course Glor is good.

No actually I'm civ so I presume the rest of your reads are wrong too

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:40 am Inauthentic replies to Sloonei's questions hey. Gonna have to do better than that if you want to build a mislynch wagon on me that lazy civs and some Maphiers can dive on. Try quoting a post and saying this one and that should do it.

Is there something about Mac saying you want to mislynch him that makes him wolfy?

Mac wrote:the rest of your reads are wrong too

Mac wrote:wrong

Mac wrote:wrong

Mac wrote:wrong

Mac wrote:trying to mislynch me

OH I see. So, is Mac saying you are wrong, and therefore a Civ, or that you want to mislynch him, and are therefore bad?

Do linguistic arguments usually pan out?

If Mac were bad, then he would be equally guilty of a dichotomous perspective. How do you know it makes him bad?

Just a minor ping for the way he encouraged my suspicion of nutella.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:38 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:31 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:12 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:49 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:40 pm are you trying to tell me you didn't find it weird, jack?

So for you it's just totally normal and expected for Sloonei to quash lines of questioning on day one? To create an environment where a questioned player doesn't need to explain themselves because it's already being done for them?

Are you questioning me for providing an explanation of Glorfindel's behavior?

The fact that you explained his behavior once was fine, but even after that, you were giving Glorfindel opportunities to not have to explain himself, or his attempted change in meta. Why not let him speak for himself? Why was it important for you to be the one to do it?

I stood up for Glorfindel because I don't like to see people manipulating his meta to get an easy read on him. I feel like it's teetering on the edge of what is or isn't in the spirit of the game. He's stated that he doesn't want this to be something that follows him around in every game, and I think his behavior in this thread indicates his discomfort with it. I wanted us to move away from that particular line of inquiry. I don't wish to speak for him, but I also don't want to see him pursued in a way that I think is unfair or uncomfortable for him.

I also responded to Glorfindel in the same vein as Sloonei's statement here. Do you not find me suspicious for it?

Sorry DF, that was a last-second votes to save my own ass, just got off work, hope you're bad, I don't even know what the case is on you. I am civ.

What a crazy random happenstance... I survived!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:10 pm This is the worst possible outcome.

That is a matter of perspective.

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:51 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:08 pm What a crazy random happenstance... I survived!

Disingenuous much?

Rhetorical who?

" I will go ahead and *vote Rabbit* for now since he's made a fair few posts but seems to be avoiding casebuilding or even on-topic engagement."

That was DF's voting reason. It makes sense to me as well. Your rebuttal was "why not Epi?"

Your rebuttal makes no sense. So, DF votes Epi for the same reason, and then Epi says "why not rabbit8?" The man only has one vote to cast, and no two players are identical, despite whatever similarities you want to showcase. DFaraday thought you were avoiding engagement, and that's a reasonable thing to think a baddie would do. It's not a smoking gun, but to say it makes no sense is wrong.

That is so weeeeak.

So I'm defending my teammate nutella from your scary onslaught of flimsy accusation.

Just so we're clear, is that what you really believe?

I'm just trying to get inside your head and understand this accusation that nut and I are teammates.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:33 am I want to elaborate on my jack read. He's been Wilgying, and that's fine. He's also expressed suspicions and that's good, but I haven't seen him trying to actually push any of his reads. every player that isn't Wilgy who starts out with a self-imposed limitation ends up dropping it as soon as it actually starts to inhibit their play.

if the language used in his one actual text post were accurate to the way he felt about me then why didn't he push for my lynch, specially when he said "eyeroll emoji" and "wolf emoji" about me

Kyle, I would be willing to pursue a Jack vote at this time. It's Day 2 and there are some things that I'm wanting to see before I reveal all my cards, but you can expect me to play them before you lose patience about it, for obvious reasons. I am the eggman, and god save the queen.

Whoa there Tex, where's my linkback? Is this quote legit?

I mean, for starters, I certainly didn't say "arguements" in any quote ever.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:04 pm

Fog on the Barrow-Downs

In the Barrow-Downs reside the Wights. They enjoy tying things up.

So do you apparently.


No one has been lynched.


Night 1 has begun. You have until 20:00 EST to submit your night actions.

Hey dudes, I was just doing some in-depth research, the kind I am of course known for, and I saw this line about tied lynches. "In the Barrow-Downs reside the Wights. They enjoy tying things up. So do you apparently. No one has been lynched."

So, I think that there was no lynch because that's how Marmot handles ties. Maybe, Epi, it wasn't the worst possible outcome - maybe it was just two vanilla Civs. Or maybe DF is indeed bad.

So I was thinking about nutella, and the way Epignosis accused me:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:35 pmFirst, LC supplied a reason nutella could be doing this (whatever this is), and that reason is not on fleek. He was hella making up shiz to distance himself from this lynch.

Second, how is nutella your oldest Mafia friend if you don't know how she posts? Brah, you got to know yo boo betta than that. smh

I'm lowkey voting LC.

The 'First' part is what it is, not sure what distancing myself from the lynch is, but I know I wasn't doing it.

It's the second part that was on my mind. Was I that out of touch with nutella's posting style?? So I went and looked at nutella's posts in some of her most recent locations - her last game, and the SAW music thread. And her posts look like what I thought they did - well-constructed and eloquent enough, not slangy at all. Epignosis went and found the only example I could find for his accusation. And speaking in Yiddish or whatever isn't even in the same vicinity as slang. But whatever. I don't even feel the same way about nutella's posts any more anyway. I looked back, and I am like "what was I thinking? There's nothing there."

Then that got me thinking about Epi, and the way he's playing. Accusing me based on not knowing how nutella posts is weak. When he's Civ, he like to try and provoke the baddies into a certain reaction or misconception about him.

In Seinfeld:

Elaine(Epignosis) wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:15 pm I did the fake (fake, get it Jerry? HA HA HA ....HA ) thing twice already trying to make the Mafia think I was covering. I'm still alive for it, because the Mafia are idiots!

And again in Fiddler on the Roof:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:06 amI deliberately played like trash early on because, like Sloonei, I had an important role that needed to stay alive longer than one Night. The easiest way to do that is to go to the mat with you and Sloonei.

Then I baited the mafia into killing nutella so that I could protect her.

...just to give two examples. There are probably more out there.

I looked for any element of Mafia manipulation in that vein in Epi's posts, and what I saw was a lot more careful play, a series of different mild accusations. Quite participatory, but nothing bearing the trademarks of the examples cites - double-blind fakeclaims or attempts to get his suspicion level up.

This is Epi's baddie game. *votes Epignosis*

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:43 pm also LC I maintain that I use a slangy/casual style a fair amount, definitely more on discord but I think spending a lot of time there recently has influenced my mafia posting style and in general my recent style has been pretty lax. revisit my first several posts in Mountains and compare if you wish

Ok, I don't really see anything in the Mountain Mafia posts that reflects what I thought, but as I said, I don't really think that any more anyway.

You know who doesn't pay attention as closely?

Baddies.

General consensus is that changeable votes make for a more dynamic and fruitful game. I believe we couldn't have polls with changeable votes back in our origin site, Lostpedia Forums, so that became the norm in our isolated community. Most Mafia sites have changeable votes by default.

Votes right now: Long Con -> Epignosis -> Ambray -> Long Con.

Cute!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:54 pm Is there an actual case on anyone not named Mac?

I made a case on Epi.

I'll go along with Ambray over MacDougall because I'm neutral on Am, and Civ-reading Mac.

Sadness.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:25 pm I've asked to be replaced if I survive the night. I'll be leaving for an extended trip in a few days anyway, and I have lots to do in the meantime. I can't commit to a mafia game right now. Sorry folks. Bring this thread to life when I'm gone.

I feel it would be irresponsible of me to leave legacy reads in my position. I've only followed along loosely since the end of Day 1 and don't know what went down at all last night. INH and Glorfindel are town reads, but that's all I can state with any confidence.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:07 pm I am unable to access a number of pages of this thread at work. Apparently rabbit swears too much. Can we lynch him?

That is unacceptable censorship.

Tough choice, but I feel like Mac is Civ, and I agreed with most of his rebuttals against Epi's case... whereas INH's case on Kylemii was convincing, and Kyle's rebuttals were pretty good too. I will vote for you, Kyle. Sorry, my dude.

Wait, no, that speedchuck vote looks tasty! Change my vote to speedchuck.

Just... Mac is on speedchuck, and if he wants Kyle lynched then he can do it himself at this point.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:08 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:35 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:33 pm Wait, no, that speedchuck vote looks tasty! Change my vote to speedchuck.

Any particular reason for that?

Long Con, I didn't see an answer to this question and it has become important for my ability to analyze what the suspicion of speed/sloonei is all about. Could you be more specific about why you changed your vote to him?

Well, here's my whole post, which speechuck cut in half:

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:33 pm Wait, no, that speedchuck vote looks tasty! Change my vote to speedchuck.

Just... Mac is on speedchuck, and if he wants Kyle lynched then he can do it himself at this point.

I originally broke the tie between Mac and Kyle, but then I saw Mac was solo-voting speedchuck. Figuring that MAc would come back and vote Kyle to save himself, I didn't think my vote was the most effective there. So I voted speedchuck alongside Mac and then Glorfindel triple-tied it. Short answer: flailing.

Sorry for missing the vote... too much focus on catching up with Fire Emblem, and I forgot.

Look, I'm seeing myself at the bottom of a few lists, and I guess I deserve that, but I'm Civ. So blah. Here I hang, nice and low. Pluck me.

No one was interested in my Epi case. I'd still lynch him.

Maybe INH fakeclaimed. Is the game at that point where a fakeclaim would ensure a baddie win? Feels like a baddie win is all but unavoidable anyway. And INH wasn't on the chopping block at all, was he?

INH, can you give us all the details you know on your role? Do you know who Gandalf is?

I know my case on Epi is weak, but his rebuttal is also super weak. "I don't have a meta". Right. I'll vote Epi, and it probably won't matter.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Orrrrrr you guys could remember that Marmot likely invoked a No Lynch due to the Day 1 tie.

Which was discussed already. But nice try.

I don't want you to be pissed, Epignosis. We will see about my vote in the next 24 hours.

Rabbit is also quiet in Fire Emblem Mafia.